Cymdai dont sweat this fool. I think its better that you post as who you are rather than make a 'sekret' account to post your opinions. Fariic1 just wants this site to be like every other game review mag/site out there, a bunch of whores who pass out 9/10 reviews and basically advertise for the game in exchange for access. The only reason I come here is because I know that I will get straight talk on the front page instead of some bs review by some pathetic nerd who needs access to the devs, and the associated page hits that will bring him.
Ladies and gentlemen, ask yourself, when one of the biggest haters of a particullar game on a website dedicated to online games is a staff writer, how unbiased is the site? I've said it once and I'll say it again. No matter how large you make the disclaimer at the bottom of your posts, having an employee of a website posting his opinion, either negetive or positive, on a game is unprofessional. KIDS, read this site and the things you write. Impressionable, and easily influenced, Kids that can be guided away from or towards a game by a staff writer. Ever heard of the term "mob mentality". Could you imagine what having the words "staff writer" under your name could impress upon people when you express your view on a topic. No disclaimer is going to make the title staff writer disapear. You should try posting under an anonymous name. The only VG hater that truelly pisses me off is the one that WORKS for the website they are posting negetivety on. I don't get PAID to write so I apologize for the gramatical errors. PS: I'm wondering how proffesional it is for a staff writer to call someone a hypocrit on the website they work for.
I believe myself, and the management have stated their opinion on this matter once before. I'm sorry you feel the need to necro matters which have already been discussed in order to try and discredit both myself and the website.
However, it's like my quote says. My job is to write objective reviews and such, but outside of my job, I'm open to freely express my opinion. It's unfortunate that you are so adamantly against this, but it's not going to change the fact that I can, and will continue to post on this site.
But it doesn't work that way. Does it really.
I have this example helping a customer. She was outside and it was raining and she had to sign a receipt. I took up a package belonging to another customer and nicele smiling saying use this to write on so you won't destroy your receipt. I was thinking I was kind to the customer.
But. When she was done she asked me. If it was another customer and if it was my package would you have done the same. Putting out my package in the rain like that, smiling?
Sure you have the right to express your opinion, ofcourse. But honestly thinking that it doesnt affect mmorpg.com is being a bit to innocent. Maybe the affect is small maybe it is bigger in the end. But you are a staff writer representing a site discouraging potential customers from a game nomatter what it says in your signature you represent the site as long you can be connected to it.
Official figures name them who ever they are, are always public even when they get drunk and screamin, yelling puking in the local pub. They are always representative for someone/something. No I do not want to see McDonalds personall picking their nose, scratching their crutch before they start to work.
So yeah, are there any company around reading your post thinking, uhm, ok can we expect that trietment to from this sites staff. Will it matter I don't now. But that disclaimer if that makes you think you actually can express your opinion blatently, unlikely.
Cymdai dont sweat this fool. I think its better that you post as who you are rather than make a 'sekret' account to post your opinions. Fariic1 just wants this site to be like every other game review mag/site out there, a bunch of whores who pass out 9/10 reviews and basically advertise for the game in exchange for access. The only reason I come here is because I know that I will get straight talk on the front page instead of some bs review by some pathetic nerd who needs access to the devs, and the associated page hits that will bring him. MMORPG.COM knows crap when they see it!
Cymdai, the last line of this post is a fine example of why employees of a website that is supposed to be objective should not post opinion under thier site name, and should instead use anonymous psuedonyms.
Guy, this is the only review site I check on a daily basis, and enjoy for thier unbiased and objective articles for the past 3 years. Money is made off of game companies that pay to advertise on this site. What message does it send them when employees of that site post on a regular bases thier dislike and opinion that people shouldn't play a particular game?
I don't have to get paid to be objective to have an opinion, and I'm of the opinion that you preserve proffesionalism on your site when you'r employees don't post thier opinion under thier work name. Newspapers have editorial sections so that thier employees have the oportunity to make thier opinion heard; they don't write it in the opinions section. It's called journalistic integrety. It's something I expect from any news site, regradless of the sort of news they write, but that's just me and my opinion.
Back to the add thing. More hits translates to better oportunities for selling add space at a higher rate. Considering this is possibly the most hostile site for fans of VG you'd think an effort would be made to make it less hostile to encourage more fans of the game to load this site on a more regular basis resulting in more hits to the site. As it currently stands, this site dedicates resources to maintaning a forum for people to simply spread negetivety, and potentially drive fans of the game away from this site. Kind of the counter to a sucessfull business model I would think, and possibly why other sites don't allow thier employees to post thier opinion under thier employee site name. Don't believe those sites have so much trouble with viruses and don't rely on the same few adds week after week, and instead have higher demand for add space.
Just saying, my opinion if I'm running a business and trying to make money I would do what I could to encourage the people that are going to make me the money to come to my site; not discourage.
Ladies and gentlemen, ask yourself, when one of the biggest haters of a particullar game on a website dedicated to online games is a staff writer, how unbiased is the site? I've said it once and I'll say it again. No matter how large you make the disclaimer at the bottom of your posts, having an employee of a website posting his opinion, either negetive or positive, on a game is unprofessional. KIDS, read this site and the things you write. Impressionable, and easily influenced, Kids that can be guided away from or towards a game by a staff writer. Ever heard of the term "mob mentality". Could you imagine what having the words "staff writer" under your name could impress upon people when you express your view on a topic. No disclaimer is going to make the title staff writer disapear. You should try posting under an anonymous name. The only VG hater that truelly pisses me off is the one that WORKS for the website they are posting negetivety on. I don't get PAID to write so I apologize for the gramatical errors. PS: I'm wondering how proffesional it is for a staff writer to call someone a hypocrit on the website they work for.
I believe myself, and the management have stated their opinion on this matter once before. I'm sorry you feel the need to necro matters which have already been discussed in order to try and discredit both myself and the website.
However, it's like my quote says. My job is to write objective reviews and such, but outside of my job, I'm open to freely express my opinion. It's unfortunate that you are so adamantly against this, but it's not going to change the fact that I can, and will continue to post on this site.
But it doesn't work that way. Does it really.
I have this example helping a customer. She was outside and it was raining and she had to sign a receipt. I took up a package belonging to another customer and nicele smiling saying use this to write on so you won't destroy your receipt. I was thinking I was kind to the customer.
But. When she was done she asked me. If it was another customer and if it was my package would you have done the same. Putting out my package in the rain like that, smiling?
Sure you have the right to express your opinion, ofcourse. But honestly thinking that it doesnt affect mmorpg.com is being a bit to innocent. Maybe the affect is small maybe it is bigger in the end. But you are a staff writer representing a site discouraging potential customers from a game nomatter what it says in your signature you represent the site as long you can be connected to it.
Official figures name them who ever they are, are always public even when they get drunk and screamin, yelling puking in the local pub. They are always representative for someone/something. No I do not want to see McDonalds personall picking their nose, scratching their crutch before they start to work.
So yeah, are there any company around reading your post thinking, uhm, ok can we expect that trietment to from this sites staff. Will it matter I don't now. But that disclaimer if that makes you think you actually can express your opinion blatently, unlikely.Thank you.
I will continue to post in a similar manner, despite possible backlash. If my posting style becomes detrimental to the visitors, my superiors will make me aware of it.
I'd prefer the users on this site to know both my personal and professional stances on games. If you feel that is unacceptable, than I'd advise you to simply ignore me.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I will continue to post in a similar manner, despite possible backlash. If my posting style becomes detrimental to the visitors, my superiors will make me aware of it.
I'd prefer the users on this site to know both my personal and professional stances on games. If you feel that is unacceptable, than I'd advise you to simply ignore me.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
That is admirable it is.
And sad at the same time, because the thing that makes it work is because it is only about games it is not serious business and it is the internet.
But next time you write an objective review about something it is you word and your word only that says it is objective. You are the only one knowing that. If you would be to write a review on this game would you do it professionaly, shure maybe, would anyone following the discussions in VG forum believe it. No unlikely. Would one think that if you review any other game that it wasn't biased the chances are high. Heck even some people thougth the good review on LOTR:O was bad done because it didn't get 11/10.
Everyone has their right to their opinion always, but sadly many can't let their opinion go out in public that is RL but this isn't. One have to accept that. And if it is ok with mmorpg.com then it is, it is 'their' site.
I dont know any examples from RL besides one that I think of from Sweden. That is a reporter for TV-News that was following the Primeminister doing a documentary. He couldn't continue his work on TV because they couldn't (don't know the word here) believe him to be objective at his work. I am pretty shure that the actual reporter talked, saying, the same thing as you here above cited text.
And in respect of all of this, it is the anonymous internet. Why didn't you from page1 have a posting alt who besides you and mmorpg.com would ever known. Now it is a matter of ....... (don't know word her either sorry.). Or just don't express your opinion as you may be in the seat that you actually can't (but then again it is only games and on the internet).
I will continue to post in a similar manner, despite possible backlash. If my posting style becomes detrimental to the visitors, my superiors will make me aware of it.
I'd prefer the users on this site to know both my personal and professional stances on games. If you feel that is unacceptable, than I'd advise you to simply ignore me.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
That is admirable it is.
And sad at the same time, because the thing that makes it work is because it is only about games it is not serious business and it is the internet.
But next time you write an objective review about something it is you word and your word only that says it is objective. You are the only one knowing that. If you would be to write a review on this game would you do it professionaly, shure maybe, would anyone following the discussions in VG forum believe it. No unlikely. Would one think that if you review any other game that it wasn't biased the chances are high. Heck even some people thougth the good review on LOTR:O was bad done because it didn't get 11/10.
Everyone has their right to their opinion always, but sadly many can't let their opinion go out in public that is RL but this isn't. One have to accept that. And if it is ok with mmorpg.com then it is, it is 'their' site.
I dont know any examples from RL besides one that I think of from Sweden. That is a reporter for TV-News that was following the Primeminister doing a documentary. He couldn't continue his work on TV because they couldn't (don't know the word here) believe him to be objective at his work. I am pretty shure that the actual reporter talked, saying, the same thing as you here above cited text.
And in respect of all of this, it is the anonymous internet. Why didn't you from page1 have a posting alt who besides you and mmorpg.com would ever known. Now it is a matter of ....... (don't know word her either sorry.). Or just don't express your opinion as you may be in the seat that you actually can't (but then again it is only games and on the internet).
You're articulating this better then me. Not sure how I feel seeing as you're doing it in my native language.
The saying is, "don't crap were you eat."
That's what you're doing Cymdia. Crapping where you eat. It shows more integrety when you post your opinion under a name that doesn't indicate you work for the site. You may think it's ok, the powers that be may feel it's ok, but as soon as some of the people in charge of deciding were to spend thier advertising money find it unexeptable you can bet your opinion will amount to a hill of beans then. Or when those in charge of this site realize that it isn't in thier best interest as a business to allow thier employees to voice thier opinions so openly.
I mean it wouldn't be hard to go to the forums of the current advertisers on this site and use this thread as an example of why they shouldn't spend thier money advertising here.
If this is a news site then what you're doing and what your bosses allow is wrong. If this is an editorial site then it's cool. I always thought this was a news site for MMORPG's.
I will continue to post in a similar manner, despite possible backlash. If my posting style becomes detrimental to the visitors, my superiors will make me aware of it.
I'd prefer the users on this site to know both my personal and professional stances on games. If you feel that is unacceptable, than I'd advise you to simply ignore me.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
That is admirable it is.
And sad at the same time, because the thing that makes it work is because it is only about games it is not serious business and it is the internet.
But next time you write an objective review about something it is you word and your word only that says it is objective. You are the only one knowing that. If you would be to write a review on this game would you do it professionaly, shure maybe, would anyone following the discussions in VG forum believe it. No unlikely. Would one think that if you review any other game that it wasn't biased the chances are high. Heck even some people thougth the good review on LOTR:O was bad done because it didn't get 11/10.
Everyone has their right to their opinion always, but sadly many can't let their opinion go out in public that is RL but this isn't. One have to accept that. And if it is ok with mmorpg.com then it is, it is 'their' site.
I dont know any examples from RL besides one that I think of from Sweden. That is a reporter for TV-News that was following the Primeminister doing a documentary. He couldn't continue his work on TV because they couldn't (don't know the word here) believe him to be objective at his work. I am pretty shure that the actual reporter talked, saying, the same thing as you here above cited text.
And in respect of all of this, it is the anonymous internet. Why didn't you from page1 have a posting alt who besides you and mmorpg.com would ever known. Now it is a matter of ....... (don't know word her either sorry.). Or just don't express your opinion as you may be in the seat that you actually can't (but then again it is only games and on the internet).
You're articulating this better then me. Not sure how I feel seeing as you're doing it in my native language.
The saying is, "don't crap were you eat."
That's what you're doing Cymdia. Crapping where you eat. It shows more integrety when you post your opinion under a name that doesn't indicate you work for the site. You may think it's ok, the powers that be may feel it's ok, but as soon as some of the people in charge of deciding were to spend thier advertising money find it unexeptable you can bet your opinion will amount to a hill of beans then. Or when those in charge of this site realize that it isn't in thier best interest as a business to allow thier employees to voice thier opinions so openly.
I mean it wouldn't be hard to go to the forums of the current advertisers on this site and use this thread as an example of why they shouldn't spend thier money advertising here.
If this is a news site then what you're doing and what your bosses allow is wrong. If this is an editorial site then it's cool. I always thought this was a news site for MMORPG's.
And I have another version of that saying, its 'dont eat where you crap'
The problem with 'news' and 'reporting' in the gaming industry as well as the world at large is that reporters no longer report the facts. They are content to slant their reporting in order to maintain their access and relationships with those in power. Having a site that reports the facts, and the facts are VG is a steaming pile, is a breath of fresh air. If you want to hear nothing but positive and inaccurate propaganda about a game there is a million 'review' sites out there for your pleasure. People who don't like the bull come here and I think they are serving their customers well.
I applaud you for posting as if you were a human being, not a robotic staff writer who must stay objective. Most people would have you censor your opinion but I think that they just don't want to feel as if they are losing a war that they have already lost. Vanguard is a game that is lacking in much and people don't want authoritative figures expressing that opinion in case people believe it.
I will continue to post in a similar manner, despite possible backlash. If my posting style becomes detrimental to the visitors, my superiors will make me aware of it.
I'd prefer the users on this site to know both my personal and professional stances on games. If you feel that is unacceptable, than I'd advise you to simply ignore me.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
And that's all you should say about it. Period. Writers are human. They've got opinions, just like anyone else, and they should be able to express that opinion freely.
Really, the only people who will trot out the canard that because you're a writer, you have to be completely objective 100% of the time that you post on this site are the fanboys who are desperately trying to control what others say about their favored game. Any rational person will see that there is a difference between what you write for the site, and what you write as a person. The fanboy, on the other hand, is threatened by that.
I wouldn't sweat it. As long as your bosses are cool with you posting, that's all that matters. Keep posting, and don't let the fanboys get you down.
I applaud you for posting as if you were a human being, not a robotic staff writer who must stay objective. Most people would have you censor your opinion but I think that they just don't want to feel as if they are losing a war that they have already lost. Vanguard is a game that is lacking in much and people don't want authoritative figures expressing that opinion in case people believe it.
Professionalism is for the corporate dogs.
/agree 100%.
I am sure Sigil and Brad would love to believe that the game failed because of hardware reasons, bad reviews and troll posts. The thing is they could give away a new 4000 dollar computer with each box and people would use the computer and throw the Vanguard disks in the trash. Judging from McQuaids post he is still living in the "it's not my fault " la la land and is franticly searching for an answer on why people are not playing the game. He will never face up to admitting the obvious and that is the game is not fun and he is a shitty designer.
Don't you KNOW that the only way to be a professional journalist is to never have a personal opinion that you let anyone know about?
Next, you'll try to make us believe you're human.
Your job is to take the press release from a game, reword it, and then put it up. Then shut up and go home. Otherwise, you have no professional integrity. (If you need more copy than they provide, you are allowed to contact the company's public relations department for additional comments.)
Now that I know that you're a human being, and actually form your own private opinions about the very things you write about in your official capacity, I just can't believe what you say anymore. I mean, next you will try to make me believe that movie critics have personal opinions about the movies they watch, that might sometimes differ from their professional opinions. Or that food critics have certain foods they like much more than others, despite the fact that they seem to love everything on their show. Or that David Letterman may not personally like some celebrities, and would actually bar some of them from appearing on his show because of it.
And for god's sake, if you're going to actually let a personal opinion out, do it under someone else's name. Using a fake, made-up name has MUCH more integrity than actually allowing us to see you as a person and gamer. I mean, this has the same level of gravitas as covering U.N. Security Council meetings, and it should be treated as being just that important.
I had believed that every single thing you wrote was a look into the deepest, darkest depths of your soul, true in all ways, and uninfluenced by any feelings you may have as you write up your judgement of games for reviews. However, now that I know that you actually form OPINIONS, I just can't trust your opinions anymore.
I apologize for being so inconsiderate Inhibitor. Please forgive my transgressions!
I will apologize for being to harsh.
See, I don't know what it is that you write. I don't know if you do reviews, or if you just write up news info. I don't know wich name goes with Cymdai, and it worries me. I can't help it.
What I do know is that I don't want to know that someone that writes a review of a game has an opinion one way or another toward a game. I don't want to be told to either go out and buy a game or not buy, either directly or inderectly. I'm not saying that you can't have an opinion or even share it. I just want to live in peacefull ignorance thinking that the person that wrote the review didn't give a crap about the game and was just telling what is there. I don't want a critique.
I wouldn't want someone reviewing my work that I knew didn't like me. How's that. Even if they said it was the best thing around, I wouldn't like it. Are they saying it's bad cause they don't like me, are they saying it's good because they know I'm aware they don't like me, or are they saying it's just ok because they don't WANT to give an impression one way or the other.
I don't let my friends or familly review my work.
Just how I feel, and my opinion. Again I apologize if I came across to harsh. Your opinion is as valid as mine or anyone elses on this site.
Sorry to say but the following picture is all i can show. There is nothing worng with people stating opinions, negative nor positive but its the way some go about it and the way some people seem to have no integrity what so ever in regards to the job they stand for.
Like someone else has stated it would be better to have chosen a alt to express your opinion. Its really wrong the way this goes and will effect maybe not in shortterm but will definitly will have conseqence maybe in the future. As this shows that when a staff writer on this site seems not to like a game or game developer and lets say this game or developer become a major succes but because they saw what was written on this site by staff writers they will have second doubs about printing news here. Like i said might not happen right away but when proffisional gamecompany's read stuff like this they will reconsider if this site is the right source for info. It was a good source untill we saw Cymdai having no intergrity whatsoever .
Sure he seems to enjoy the support he gets from other people that seem to mostly agree with him. And in some cases i also agree with him. But in many cases i feel that he as a staff writer can not be so freely expressing his own opinion. I'm fully aware that mmorpg.com staff seems to be alright with this type of behaviour. When people choose the path of journalism and thats what this is then there are some basic rules to be applyed and one of them is atleast have integrity. When thats not there changes are it will reflect on the future and future dissisions made by gaming company. Or maybe mmorg.com will be lucky and avoid that and still gets enough add to cover cost or maybe they run the site all bythemselfs and maybe they do not need outside income sources to keep this site running. If thats the case i can understand why a busnises might neglect the basic prinsiples of journalism
Sorry if this might have been abit personal. But honostly i can't understand how things like this happen on sites like this. Oh and even if Cym. was 100% positive and spoke only good about Vanguard i will still feel the same i feel in the way he's being negative towards the game. It makes no difference, it the intergrity that make this site be doubtfull in being objective mainly by one person. and thats wrong for a busines point of view.
Talk about your way off topic threads..... this one is long gone..... .
So.... about that SOE takeover of VG.....no word yet.... doesn't much matter to me since I don't play anymore, but I am still curious how it will all turn out.
Oh well, I'm sure we'll all find out soon enough.....
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Wasn't paying to much attention to the effort to muzzle Cym. Did he actually get censored and told not to post his personal opinion?
How pathetic if thats the case. Dumb arse developers never learn. Always shooting the messenger.
Well Mr. Brad (full of crap) Whateveryourlastnameis this is exactly why you are in the situation you are in right now. No we don't even need to know your last name. All we have to say is that moron Brad who pissed away 35 million dollars. Oh yeah I know who you mean.
And it couldn't have happen to a better idiot.
One last time ... Censorship is bad ... Free speach is good.
Wasn't paying to much attention to the effort to muzzle Cym. Did he actually get censored and told not to post his personal opinion? How pathetic if thats the case. Dumb arse developers never learn. Always shooting the messenger. Well Mr. Brad (full of crap) Whateveryourlastnameis this is exactly why you are in the situation you are in right now. No we don't even need to know your last name. All we have to say is that moron Brad who pissed away 35 million dollars. Oh yeah I know who you mean. And it couldn't have happen to a better idiot. One last time ... Censorship is bad ... Free speach is good.
I'm pretty sure that if terrorist Falafal would stand in your street, not doing any harm physicly but shouting "Alah is the greatest", "All none beleivers must die". I truly do not think that many in your street would agree on free speech always being good. And would take actions upon such a person. Now from my experiance its mostly when it fits people's agenda then they will always say free speech is good untill something is said that doesn't fit their agenda then suddenly its all wrong.....just saying....
And to be honost people that speak in such a way as in disrespect (see red text) should be censored.
Wasn't paying to much attention to the effort to muzzle Cym. Did he actually get censored and told not to post his personal opinion? How pathetic if thats the case. Dumb arse developers never learn. Always shooting the messenger. Well Mr. Brad (full of crap) Whateveryourlastnameis this is exactly why you are in the situation you are in right now. No we don't even need to know your last name. All we have to say is that moron Brad who pissed away 35 million dollars. Oh yeah I know who you mean. And it couldn't have happen to a better idiot. One last time ... Censorship is bad ... Free speach is good.
I'm pretty sure that if terrorist Falafal would stand in your street, not doing any harm physicly but shouting "Alah is the greatest", "All none beleivers must die". I truly do not think that many in your street would agree on free speech always being good. And would take actions upon such a person. Now from my experiance its mostly when it fits people's agenda then they will always say free speech is good untill something is said that doesn't fit their agenda then suddenly its all wrong.....just saying....
And to be honost people that speak in such a way as in disrespect (see red text) should be censored.
This response shows how little understanding you have of the 1st Amendment.
Also to equate that with criticism of a video game developer (who IS an ASS for spending 30 mil only to have the game launch in the shape it did) to terrorism is pure idiocy.
Sorry but what he said about Brad is NOT disrespectful its the truth. The mmo industry is the only one I know that you can spend 30 mil on a project, launch it half-assed and not be booted on your ass faster than you can say "white on rice". That comment in red should in no way be censored AND is not disrespectful. It's the damn truth.
Free speech doesn't mean you have free license to stand anywhere you want and shout out your beliefs, especially comments designed to incite a response. Shouting fire in a theater is just as bad an example of what free speech is not.
Wasn't paying to much attention to the effort to muzzle Cym. Did he actually get censored and told not to post his personal opinion? How pathetic if thats the case. Dumb arse developers never learn. Always shooting the messenger. Well Mr. Brad (full of crap) Whateveryourlastnameis this is exactly why you are in the situation you are in right now. No we don't even need to know your last name. All we have to say is that moron Brad who pissed away 35 million dollars. Oh yeah I know who you mean. And it couldn't have happen to a better idiot. One last time ... Censorship is bad ... Free speach is good.
I'm pretty sure that if terrorist Falafal would stand in your street, not doing any harm physicly but shouting "Alah is the greatest", "All none beleivers must die". I truly do not think that many in your street would agree on free speech always being good. And would take actions upon such a person. Now from my experiance its mostly when it fits people's agenda then they will always say free speech is good untill something is said that doesn't fit their agenda then suddenly its all wrong.....just saying....
And to be honost people that speak in such a way as in disrespect (see red text) should be censored.
This response shows how little understanding you have of the 1st Amendment.
Also to equate that with criticism of a video game developer (who IS an ASS for spending 30 mil only to have the game launch in the shape it did) to terrorism is pure idiocy.
Sorry but what he said about Brad is NOT disrespectful its the truth. The mmo industry is the only one I know that you can spend 30 mil on a project, launch it half-assed and not be booted on your ass faster than you can say "white on rice". That comment in red should in no way be censored AND is not disrespectful. It's the damn truth.
Its not the thruth but it is his and maybe your opinion, sure makes it thruth for you afcourse and for those that have equely problems like you have with the game. But if this was the absolute thruth then you abviously would know that no one would play the game and that the game was indeed completly unplayeble, but somehow some of you can not and will not accept that there are people that might have some isseus with Vanguard but they are far from what some people try and make others believe. Would i say go buy this game, nope never i will always say try it with a buddy key or if money isn't that much of a issue which shouldn't be with mmorpg gamers atleast not those i know.
And come on you know better then that what i have meant with the terrorist thing, really you do if not then i'm sorry if you where not able to understand what it is i meant to say.
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Cymdai dont sweat this fool. I think its better that you post as who you are rather than make a 'sekret' account to post your opinions. Fariic1 just wants this site to be like every other game review mag/site out there, a bunch of whores who pass out 9/10 reviews and basically advertise for the game in exchange for access. The only reason I come here is because I know that I will get straight talk on the front page instead of some bs review by some pathetic nerd who needs access to the devs, and the associated page hits that will bring him.
MMORPG.COM knows crap when they see it!
I believe myself, and the management have stated their opinion on this matter once before. I'm sorry you feel the need to necro matters which have already been discussed in order to try and discredit both myself and the website.
However, it's like my quote says. My job is to write objective reviews and such, but outside of my job, I'm open to freely express my opinion. It's unfortunate that you are so adamantly against this, but it's not going to change the fact that I can, and will continue to post on this site.
But it doesn't work that way. Does it really.
I have this example helping a customer. She was outside and it was raining and she had to sign a receipt. I took up a package belonging to another customer and nicele smiling saying use this to write on so you won't destroy your receipt. I was thinking I was kind to the customer.
But. When she was done she asked me. If it was another customer and if it was my package would you have done the same. Putting out my package in the rain like that, smiling?
Sure you have the right to express your opinion, ofcourse. But honestly thinking that it doesnt affect mmorpg.com is being a bit to innocent. Maybe the affect is small maybe it is bigger in the end. But you are a staff writer representing a site discouraging potential customers from a game nomatter what it says in your signature you represent the site as long you can be connected to it.
Official figures name them who ever they are, are always public even when they get drunk and screamin, yelling puking in the local pub. They are always representative for someone/something. No I do not want to see McDonalds personall picking their nose, scratching their crutch before they start to work.
So yeah, are there any company around reading your post thinking, uhm, ok can we expect that trietment to from this sites staff. Will it matter I don't now. But that disclaimer if that makes you think you actually can express your opinion blatently, unlikely.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Cymdai, the last line of this post is a fine example of why employees of a website that is supposed to be objective should not post opinion under thier site name, and should instead use anonymous psuedonyms.
Guy, this is the only review site I check on a daily basis, and enjoy for thier unbiased and objective articles for the past 3 years. Money is made off of game companies that pay to advertise on this site. What message does it send them when employees of that site post on a regular bases thier dislike and opinion that people shouldn't play a particular game?
I don't have to get paid to be objective to have an opinion, and I'm of the opinion that you preserve proffesionalism on your site when you'r employees don't post thier opinion under thier work name. Newspapers have editorial sections so that thier employees have the oportunity to make thier opinion heard; they don't write it in the opinions section. It's called journalistic integrety. It's something I expect from any news site, regradless of the sort of news they write, but that's just me and my opinion.
Back to the add thing. More hits translates to better oportunities for selling add space at a higher rate. Considering this is possibly the most hostile site for fans of VG you'd think an effort would be made to make it less hostile to encourage more fans of the game to load this site on a more regular basis resulting in more hits to the site. As it currently stands, this site dedicates resources to maintaning a forum for people to simply spread negetivety, and potentially drive fans of the game away from this site. Kind of the counter to a sucessfull business model I would think, and possibly why other sites don't allow thier employees to post thier opinion under thier employee site name. Don't believe those sites have so much trouble with viruses and don't rely on the same few adds week after week, and instead have higher demand for add space.
Just saying, my opinion if I'm running a business and trying to make money I would do what I could to encourage the people that are going to make me the money to come to my site; not discourage.
I believe myself, and the management have stated their opinion on this matter once before. I'm sorry you feel the need to necro matters which have already been discussed in order to try and discredit both myself and the website.
However, it's like my quote says. My job is to write objective reviews and such, but outside of my job, I'm open to freely express my opinion. It's unfortunate that you are so adamantly against this, but it's not going to change the fact that I can, and will continue to post on this site.
But it doesn't work that way. Does it really.
I have this example helping a customer. She was outside and it was raining and she had to sign a receipt. I took up a package belonging to another customer and nicele smiling saying use this to write on so you won't destroy your receipt. I was thinking I was kind to the customer.
But. When she was done she asked me. If it was another customer and if it was my package would you have done the same. Putting out my package in the rain like that, smiling?
Sure you have the right to express your opinion, ofcourse. But honestly thinking that it doesnt affect mmorpg.com is being a bit to innocent. Maybe the affect is small maybe it is bigger in the end. But you are a staff writer representing a site discouraging potential customers from a game nomatter what it says in your signature you represent the site as long you can be connected to it.
Official figures name them who ever they are, are always public even when they get drunk and screamin, yelling puking in the local pub. They are always representative for someone/something. No I do not want to see McDonalds personall picking their nose, scratching their crutch before they start to work.
So yeah, are there any company around reading your post thinking, uhm, ok can we expect that trietment to from this sites staff. Will it matter I don't now. But that disclaimer if that makes you think you actually can express your opinion blatently, unlikely.Thank you.
I'd prefer the users on this site to know both my personal and professional stances on games. If you feel that is unacceptable, than I'd advise you to simply ignore me.
That's all I'm going to say about it.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
And sad at the same time, because the thing that makes it work is because it is only about games it is not serious business and it is the internet.
But next time you write an objective review about something it is you word and your word only that says it is objective. You are the only one knowing that. If you would be to write a review on this game would you do it professionaly, shure maybe, would anyone following the discussions in VG forum believe it. No unlikely. Would one think that if you review any other game that it wasn't biased the chances are high. Heck even some people thougth the good review on LOTR:O was bad done because it didn't get 11/10.
Everyone has their right to their opinion always, but sadly many can't let their opinion go out in public that is RL but this isn't. One have to accept that. And if it is ok with mmorpg.com then it is, it is 'their' site.
I dont know any examples from RL besides one that I think of from Sweden. That is a reporter for TV-News that was following the Primeminister doing a documentary. He couldn't continue his work on TV because they couldn't (don't know the word here) believe him to be objective at his work. I am pretty shure that the actual reporter talked, saying, the same thing as you here above cited text.
And in respect of all of this, it is the anonymous internet. Why didn't you from page1 have a posting alt who besides you and mmorpg.com would ever known. Now it is a matter of ....... (don't know word her either sorry.). Or just don't express your opinion as you may be in the seat that you actually can't (but then again it is only games and on the internet).
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
And sad at the same time, because the thing that makes it work is because it is only about games it is not serious business and it is the internet.
But next time you write an objective review about something it is you word and your word only that says it is objective. You are the only one knowing that. If you would be to write a review on this game would you do it professionaly, shure maybe, would anyone following the discussions in VG forum believe it. No unlikely. Would one think that if you review any other game that it wasn't biased the chances are high. Heck even some people thougth the good review on LOTR:O was bad done because it didn't get 11/10.
Everyone has their right to their opinion always, but sadly many can't let their opinion go out in public that is RL but this isn't. One have to accept that. And if it is ok with mmorpg.com then it is, it is 'their' site.
I dont know any examples from RL besides one that I think of from Sweden. That is a reporter for TV-News that was following the Primeminister doing a documentary. He couldn't continue his work on TV because they couldn't (don't know the word here) believe him to be objective at his work. I am pretty shure that the actual reporter talked, saying, the same thing as you here above cited text.
And in respect of all of this, it is the anonymous internet. Why didn't you from page1 have a posting alt who besides you and mmorpg.com would ever known. Now it is a matter of ....... (don't know word her either sorry.). Or just don't express your opinion as you may be in the seat that you actually can't (but then again it is only games and on the internet).
You're articulating this better then me. Not sure how I feel seeing as you're doing it in my native language.
The saying is, "don't crap were you eat."
That's what you're doing Cymdia. Crapping where you eat. It shows more integrety when you post your opinion under a name that doesn't indicate you work for the site. You may think it's ok, the powers that be may feel it's ok, but as soon as some of the people in charge of deciding were to spend thier advertising money find it unexeptable you can bet your opinion will amount to a hill of beans then. Or when those in charge of this site realize that it isn't in thier best interest as a business to allow thier employees to voice thier opinions so openly.
I mean it wouldn't be hard to go to the forums of the current advertisers on this site and use this thread as an example of why they shouldn't spend thier money advertising here.
If this is a news site then what you're doing and what your bosses allow is wrong. If this is an editorial site then it's cool. I always thought this was a news site for MMORPG's.
And sad at the same time, because the thing that makes it work is because it is only about games it is not serious business and it is the internet.
But next time you write an objective review about something it is you word and your word only that says it is objective. You are the only one knowing that. If you would be to write a review on this game would you do it professionaly, shure maybe, would anyone following the discussions in VG forum believe it. No unlikely. Would one think that if you review any other game that it wasn't biased the chances are high. Heck even some people thougth the good review on LOTR:O was bad done because it didn't get 11/10.
Everyone has their right to their opinion always, but sadly many can't let their opinion go out in public that is RL but this isn't. One have to accept that. And if it is ok with mmorpg.com then it is, it is 'their' site.
I dont know any examples from RL besides one that I think of from Sweden. That is a reporter for TV-News that was following the Primeminister doing a documentary. He couldn't continue his work on TV because they couldn't (don't know the word here) believe him to be objective at his work. I am pretty shure that the actual reporter talked, saying, the same thing as you here above cited text.
And in respect of all of this, it is the anonymous internet. Why didn't you from page1 have a posting alt who besides you and mmorpg.com would ever known. Now it is a matter of ....... (don't know word her either sorry.). Or just don't express your opinion as you may be in the seat that you actually can't (but then again it is only games and on the internet).
You're articulating this better then me. Not sure how I feel seeing as you're doing it in my native language.
The saying is, "don't crap were you eat."
That's what you're doing Cymdia. Crapping where you eat. It shows more integrety when you post your opinion under a name that doesn't indicate you work for the site. You may think it's ok, the powers that be may feel it's ok, but as soon as some of the people in charge of deciding were to spend thier advertising money find it unexeptable you can bet your opinion will amount to a hill of beans then. Or when those in charge of this site realize that it isn't in thier best interest as a business to allow thier employees to voice thier opinions so openly.
I mean it wouldn't be hard to go to the forums of the current advertisers on this site and use this thread as an example of why they shouldn't spend thier money advertising here.
If this is a news site then what you're doing and what your bosses allow is wrong. If this is an editorial site then it's cool. I always thought this was a news site for MMORPG's.
And I have another version of that saying, its 'dont eat where you crap'
The problem with 'news' and 'reporting' in the gaming industry as well as the world at large is that reporters no longer report the facts. They are content to slant their reporting in order to maintain their access and relationships with those in power. Having a site that reports the facts, and the facts are VG is a steaming pile, is a breath of fresh air. If you want to hear nothing but positive and inaccurate propaganda about a game there is a million 'review' sites out there for your pleasure. People who don't like the bull come here and I think they are serving their customers well.
Professionalism is for the corporate dogs.
And that's all you should say about it. Period. Writers are human. They've got opinions, just like anyone else, and they should be able to express that opinion freely.
Really, the only people who will trot out the canard that because you're a writer, you have to be completely objective 100% of the time that you post on this site are the fanboys who are desperately trying to control what others say about their favored game. Any rational person will see that there is a difference between what you write for the site, and what you write as a person. The fanboy, on the other hand, is threatened by that.
I wouldn't sweat it. As long as your bosses are cool with you posting, that's all that matters. Keep posting, and don't let the fanboys get you down.
I am sure Sigil and Brad would love to believe that the game failed because of hardware reasons, bad reviews and troll posts. The thing is they could give away a new 4000 dollar computer with each box and people would use the computer and throw the Vanguard disks in the trash. Judging from McQuaids post he is still living in the "it's not my fault " la la land and is franticly searching for an answer on why people are not playing the game. He will never face up to admitting the obvious and that is the game is not fun and he is a shitty designer.
I miss DAoC
And here I thought it was a video game, not a reason for living.
I guess video games really are a life and death issue. Time to upgrade my perspective on life, clearly.
Don't you KNOW that the only way to be a professional journalist is to never have a personal opinion that you let anyone know about?
Next, you'll try to make us believe you're human.
Your job is to take the press release from a game, reword it, and then put it up. Then shut up and go home. Otherwise, you have no professional integrity. (If you need more copy than they provide, you are allowed to contact the company's public relations department for additional comments.)
Now that I know that you're a human being, and actually form your own private opinions about the very things you write about in your official capacity, I just can't believe what you say anymore. I mean, next you will try to make me believe that movie critics have personal opinions about the movies they watch, that might sometimes differ from their professional opinions. Or that food critics have certain foods they like much more than others, despite the fact that they seem to love everything on their show. Or that David Letterman may not personally like some celebrities, and would actually bar some of them from appearing on his show because of it.
And for god's sake, if you're going to actually let a personal opinion out, do it under someone else's name. Using a fake, made-up name has MUCH more integrity than actually allowing us to see you as a person and gamer. I mean, this has the same level of gravitas as covering U.N. Security Council meetings, and it should be treated as being just that important.
I had believed that every single thing you wrote was a look into the deepest, darkest depths of your soul, true in all ways, and uninfluenced by any feelings you may have as you write up your judgement of games for reviews. However, now that I know that you actually form OPINIONS, I just can't trust your opinions anymore.
My faith in humanity is shattered.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I will apologize for being to harsh.
See, I don't know what it is that you write. I don't know if you do reviews, or if you just write up news info. I don't know wich name goes with Cymdai, and it worries me. I can't help it.
What I do know is that I don't want to know that someone that writes a review of a game has an opinion one way or another toward a game. I don't want to be told to either go out and buy a game or not buy, either directly or inderectly. I'm not saying that you can't have an opinion or even share it. I just want to live in peacefull ignorance thinking that the person that wrote the review didn't give a crap about the game and was just telling what is there. I don't want a critique.
I wouldn't want someone reviewing my work that I knew didn't like me. How's that. Even if they said it was the best thing around, I wouldn't like it. Are they saying it's bad cause they don't like me, are they saying it's good because they know I'm aware they don't like me, or are they saying it's just ok because they don't WANT to give an impression one way or the other.
I don't let my friends or familly review my work.
Just how I feel, and my opinion. Again I apologize if I came across to harsh. Your opinion is as valid as mine or anyone elses on this site.
Nah, he only has 583 posts, so he's on;y 58.3% valid.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Sorry to say but the following picture is all i can show. There is nothing worng with people stating opinions, negative nor positive but its the way some go about it and the way some people seem to have no integrity what so ever in regards to the job they stand for.
Like someone else has stated it would be better to have chosen a alt to express your opinion. Its really wrong the way this goes and will effect maybe not in shortterm but will definitly will have conseqence maybe in the future. As this shows that when a staff writer on this site seems not to like a game or game developer and lets say this game or developer become a major succes but because they saw what was written on this site by staff writers they will have second doubs about printing news here. Like i said might not happen right away but when proffisional gamecompany's read stuff like this they will reconsider if this site is the right source for info. It was a good source untill we saw Cymdai having no intergrity whatsoever .
Sure he seems to enjoy the support he gets from other people that seem to mostly agree with him. And in some cases i also agree with him. But in many cases i feel that he as a staff writer can not be so freely expressing his own opinion. I'm fully aware that mmorpg.com staff seems to be alright with this type of behaviour. When people choose the path of journalism and thats what this is then there are some basic rules to be applyed and one of them is atleast have integrity. When thats not there changes are it will reflect on the future and future dissisions made by gaming company. Or maybe mmorg.com will be lucky and avoid that and still gets enough add to cover cost or maybe they run the site all bythemselfs and maybe they do not need outside income sources to keep this site running. If thats the case i can understand why a busnises might neglect the basic prinsiples of journalism
Sorry if this might have been abit personal. But honostly i can't understand how things like this happen on sites like this. Oh and even if Cym. was 100% positive and spoke only good about Vanguard i will still feel the same i feel in the way he's being negative towards the game. It makes no difference, it the intergrity that make this site be doubtfull in being objective mainly by one person. and thats wrong for a busines point of view.
So.... about that SOE takeover of VG.....no word yet.... doesn't much matter to me since I don't play anymore, but I am still curious how it will all turn out.
Oh well, I'm sure we'll all find out soon enough.....
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Wasn't paying to much attention to the effort to muzzle Cym. Did he actually get censored and told not to post his personal opinion?
How pathetic if thats the case. Dumb arse developers never learn. Always shooting the messenger.
Well Mr. Brad (full of crap) Whateveryourlastnameis this is exactly why you are in the situation you are in right now. No we don't even need to know your last name. All we have to say is that moron Brad who pissed away 35 million dollars. Oh yeah I know who you mean.
And it couldn't have happen to a better idiot.
One last time ... Censorship is bad ... Free speach is good.
I'm pretty sure that if terrorist Falafal would stand in your street, not doing any harm physicly but shouting "Alah is the greatest", "All none beleivers must die". I truly do not think that many in your street would agree on free speech always being good. And would take actions upon such a person. Now from my experiance its mostly when it fits people's agenda then they will always say free speech is good untill something is said that doesn't fit their agenda then suddenly its all wrong.....just saying....
And to be honost people that speak in such a way as in disrespect (see red text) should be censored.
I'm pretty sure that if terrorist Falafal would stand in your street, not doing any harm physicly but shouting "Alah is the greatest", "All none beleivers must die". I truly do not think that many in your street would agree on free speech always being good. And would take actions upon such a person. Now from my experiance its mostly when it fits people's agenda then they will always say free speech is good untill something is said that doesn't fit their agenda then suddenly its all wrong.....just saying....
And to be honost people that speak in such a way as in disrespect (see red text) should be censored.
This response shows how little understanding you have of the 1st Amendment.
Also to equate that with criticism of a video game developer (who IS an ASS for spending 30 mil only to have the game launch in the shape it did) to terrorism is pure idiocy.
Sorry but what he said about Brad is NOT disrespectful its the truth. The mmo industry is the only one I know that you can spend 30 mil on a project, launch it half-assed and not be booted on your ass faster than you can say "white on rice". That comment in red should in no way be censored AND is not disrespectful. It's the damn truth.
I'm pretty sure that if terrorist Falafal would stand in your street, not doing any harm physicly but shouting "Alah is the greatest", "All none beleivers must die". I truly do not think that many in your street would agree on free speech always being good. And would take actions upon such a person. Now from my experiance its mostly when it fits people's agenda then they will always say free speech is good untill something is said that doesn't fit their agenda then suddenly its all wrong.....just saying....
And to be honost people that speak in such a way as in disrespect (see red text) should be censored.
This response shows how little understanding you have of the 1st Amendment.
Also to equate that with criticism of a video game developer (who IS an ASS for spending 30 mil only to have the game launch in the shape it did) to terrorism is pure idiocy.
Sorry but what he said about Brad is NOT disrespectful its the truth. The mmo industry is the only one I know that you can spend 30 mil on a project, launch it half-assed and not be booted on your ass faster than you can say "white on rice". That comment in red should in no way be censored AND is not disrespectful. It's the damn truth.
Its not the thruth but it is his and maybe your opinion, sure makes it thruth for you afcourse and for those that have equely problems like you have with the game. But if this was the absolute thruth then you abviously would know that no one would play the game and that the game was indeed completly unplayeble, but somehow some of you can not and will not accept that there are people that might have some isseus with Vanguard but they are far from what some people try and make others believe. Would i say go buy this game, nope never i will always say try it with a buddy key or if money isn't that much of a issue which shouldn't be with mmorpg gamers atleast not those i know.
And come on you know better then that what i have meant with the terrorist thing, really you do if not then i'm sorry if you where not able to understand what it is i meant to say.