Like I said before.... consoles are for sports games.. Leave the serious gaming on the more powerful system..PC.
Erm. Yeah we all know pc's CAN be more powerful. But the very valid point that generally pc's ARE weaker seems to be ignored. I bet most pc gamers have this experience thing called lag. Consoles dont lag along with sparsely owned ridiculusly expensive computers. 360 is more powerfull & cheaper. The only way PC beats 360 is in ways that aren't part of this discussion and the fact that all the MMO's are on PC (for now).
Depends. PC for serious high budget epic games and fps's. Consoles for 'hangin out with your buddies' type games. Fighting, racing, sports, ect..
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
Another plus of the PC is the community. Computer gamers seem to be much more mature. I would even go as far as saying that as immature the WoW community seems, they are like Socrates' elite wise men in contrast to console gamers.
While there are exceptions (Like adult 360 clans), I just cant help but think that they would be happier playing on a PC.
Mobility is also another concern. My contractor friend totes his 360 all over. It kind of reminds me of the old suitcase computers from back in the 80s... He could have all that power, and a high def screen in a setup that would take a fraction of the space if he picked up a good laptop.
Have you considered that while a pc can run a variety of game formats the 360 will play only the 360 compatable games or am I wrong?
Also consider this the 360 will soon be off the shelves with the new faster version and all the 360 games will disapear like a dreamcaster (heh) So stay hooked or get hooked up with an upgradable PC.
I would choose my custom built pc over an xbox 360 anyday. Everyone saying its expensive to play games at the highest setting and need an uber 2000$ (Mine didnt cost half that much) pc is the biggest overstatement I have ever heard. Apart from lets say..... "Crysis" which pretty much means pc > xbox360 anyway
Well unless you have a very expensive 1080i tv (which is more expensive than most gaming computers) your graphics are really going to be less than optimal with a console. Even with a 1080i tv, you still can't match the graphics abilities of most computers.
Have to love the ignorant posting things that consoles are faster than the average pc. Unless your computer is 4 years old, the computer chip is faster than the 360.
How cheap is cheap, to play a MMO you have to add a ton of new stuff to the console for it to work, mouse, keyboard, extra memory, extra hard disk.
MMO's just do not belong on a console. You watch with Conan, the console version will get conveniently deep sixed because the current consoles just don't have the power to run it.
Most people saying that the 360 can't compete with the power of a PC, have never seen what a 360 can do. When it comes to the sole purpose of playing games, the 360 outperforms most any PC on the market. Even today, a year and a half after it's launch. My PC isn't the greatest, but its definitely no slouch (8800gts 640mb, c2d 6600, 2g RAM, 250gb), and of the games I've played on both platforms, my 360 plays them all just as well (most of the time better). Also, I spent $400 on my 360, and its still just as powerful (gaming-wise) as the top o' the line PCs almost two years later. So I'm happy with my investment in the 360. I have to spend about $400 a year to keep my PC up to date so their really is no comparison when it comes to the price. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC a lot too. I play plenty of games on it, and it does a thousand things that my 360 simply can't do. When it comes to pure gaming though, the 360 is a great machine, and it runs at the front with the best of PCs.
Look for a lot of future MMORPGs to expand into the console market. More potential players-> more potential income-> better quality product/content (supposed to work this way). Simple concept, and I'm gald to see that a lot of devs have recognized it.
if all you want to do is play MMO and FPS I'd go with PC. If you're like me and you love all different types then xbox360 is best overall. will be even better once we get some MMOs on xbox 360. unlike PC games, xbox 360 games goes through microsoft verification process. so incomplete games just wont pass.
Well unless you have a very expensive 1080i tv (which is more expensive than most gaming computers) your graphics are really going to be less than optimal with a console. Even with a 1080i tv, you still can't match the graphics abilities of most computers. Have to love the ignorant posting things that consoles are faster than the average pc. Unless your computer is 4 years old, the computer chip is faster than the 360. How cheap is cheap, to play a MMO you have to add a ton of new stuff to the console for it to work, mouse, keyboard, extra memory, extra hard disk. MMO's just do not belong on a console. You watch with Conan, the console version will get conveniently deep sixed because the current consoles just don't have the power to run it.
That's the thing with comparing consoles to PCs, you can't do it like you would compare two PCs. The architecture of consoles is very different than that of a PC, and comparing memory or speed numbers just doesn't work. The processing chip in a console doesn't have to be as fast as one in a PC to blow it away in gaming performance. To give you some real reference; ATI (developer of the 360's gpu) and many game developers alike, have said that the 360 has more graphical capability than dx9, and most all of the graphical capabilities that dx10 has.
You think the console version of AoC will be "deep sixed"? Oh, you're right because look how the inclusion of console versions killed FFXI (*this sentence - saturated with sarcasm*). AoC will be an even bigger hit just because there will be a console version.
Most people saying that the 360 can't compete with the power of a PC, have never seen what a 360 can do. When it comes to the sole purpose of playing games, the 360 outperforms most any PC on the market. Even today, a year and a half after it's launch. My PC isn't the greatest, but its definitely no slouch (8800gts 640mb, c2d 6600, 2g RAM, 250gb), and of the games I've played on both platforms, my 360 plays them all just as well (most of the time better). Also, I spent $400 on my 360, and its still just as powerful (gaming-wise) as the top o' the line PCs almost two years later. So I'm happy with my investment in the 360. I have to spend about $400 a year to keep my PC up to date so their really is no comparison when it comes to the price. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC a lot too. I play plenty of games on it, and it does a thousand things that my 360 simply can't do. When it comes to pure gaming though, the 360 is a great machine, and it runs at the front with the best of PCs. Look for a lot of future MMORPGs to expand into the console market. More potential players-> more potential income-> better quality product/content (supposed to work this way). Simple concept, and I'm gald to see that a lot of devs have recognized it. Peace!
So what your saying there is crysis will look just as good if not better on the 360? dumbass
I was a hardcore console gamer until I got my frist decent pc back in 95 (ibm aptiva 166mhz with mmx bitches) And have been an avid pc fan ever since. Anyone saying that says the xbox 360 is more powerful than a decent gaming pc (like mine for example c2d, 2 gigs ram, 7900gtx) is just plain lying to themselves.
Your average gaming pc will run circles around any console if you're just measuring raw horsepower. The big difference is that ur 360 doesnt have to run a crappy os in the background. It's made for gaming from the get go. Streamlined for gaming and just gaming. If a current top of the line pc (quad core intel, sli's 8800 ultras) didnt have the os restrictions like an xbox an was designed only to play games it would be NO CONTEST.
That being said, I see the 2 blending together more and more. I'm hoping either the next gen or the gen after that of consoles will finally be good enough that I can stop building $1500 pc's every year or 2. I'd love to jsut have my pc for school, email, etc... and my console for everything else.
And dont be stupid and flame me, im agreeing that if you played a game on xbox vs. pc the xbox version would probably play better, but only for the reasons stated above.
Most people saying that the 360 can't compete with the power of a PC, have never seen what a 360 can do. When it comes to the sole purpose of playing games, the 360 outperforms most any PC on the market. Even today, a year and a half after it's launch. My PC isn't the greatest, but its definitely no slouch (8800gts 640mb, c2d 6600, 2g RAM, 250gb), and of the games I've played on both platforms, my 360 plays them all just as well (most of the time better). Also, I spent $400 on my 360, and its still just as powerful (gaming-wise) as the top o' the line PCs almost two years later. So I'm happy with my investment in the 360. I have to spend about $400 a year to keep my PC up to date so their really is no comparison when it comes to the price. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC a lot too. I play plenty of games on it, and it does a thousand things that my 360 simply can't do. When it comes to pure gaming though, the 360 is a great machine, and it runs at the front with the best of PCs. Look for a lot of future MMORPGs to expand into the console market. More potential players-> more potential income-> better quality product/content (supposed to work this way). Simple concept, and I'm gald to see that a lot of devs have recognized it. Peace!
So what your saying there is crysis will look just as good if not better on the 360? dumbass
If the xbox had a dx 10 compatible gfx card (i doubt it does but maybe it does someone here can say im sure) it probably would. And it would run better.
Well unless you have a very expensive 1080i tv (which is more expensive than most gaming computers) your graphics are really going to be less than optimal with a console. Even with a 1080i tv, you still can't match the graphics abilities of most computers. Have to love the ignorant posting things that consoles are faster than the average pc. Unless your computer is 4 years old, the computer chip is faster than the 360. How cheap is cheap, to play a MMO you have to add a ton of new stuff to the console for it to work, mouse, keyboard, extra memory, extra hard disk. MMO's just do not belong on a console. You watch with Conan, the console version will get conveniently deep sixed because the current consoles just don't have the power to run it.
That's the thing with comparing consoles to PCs, you can't do it like you would compare two PCs. The architecture of consoles is very different than that of a PC, and comparing memory or speed numbers just doesn't work. The processing chip in a console doesn't have to be as fast as one in a PC to blow it away in gaming performance. To give you some real reference; ATI (developer of the 360's gpu) and many game developers alike, have said that the 360 has more graphical capability than dx9, and most all of the graphical capabilities that dx10 has.
You think the console version of AoC will be "deep sixed"? Oh, you're right because look how the inclusion of console versions killed FFXI (*this sentence - saturated with sarcasm*). AoC will be an even bigger hit just because there will be a console version.
Yet again another misinformative person. No the xbox 360 cannot render the same way as dx10 can.
lets see... heres just my 2 cents and then some... sorry for the long post all
COST:
well the obvious winner here is the 360 there cheep, no doubt about it. to get a computer to compare to a 360 you need to spend say $800+ excluding a monitor, which the average one is $200, so about 1$000 for a computer to compare to an xbox. but as mentioned before games are cheeper for computer, a lot cheeper in some cases. now though, a 360 might only be 300(dont know real price) but remember... say you want more then your crapy 27" CRT tv your going to be dishing out close to 3500 if not more depending on brand and size. were as in the monitor department you can get massive 47" monitors for just under 2000, and remember they have resolutions taht can kick any tv.
so, a upper mid range computer($800) plus a a decent sized and resolution monitor(200) thats like I said about 1000(and remember the resolution will be better then a standard, and maybe even better then a HDTV) if you want a major monitor($1500) thats $2300.
X360 and your regular old tv, maybe $700 however if you want a TV to match the monitor thats probably around $3500..... and since you sit close to a computer, even a 19" monitor good.
so... maybe the price isnt so bad... at the bare minimums the 360 wins, at the full out the computer wins(keeping in mind that the computer stays one thats about on par with a 360 in terms of power)
so, I'd call that a tie, in the end. seeing as for about $3000(canadian too) I got a top of the line machine and then some, and a 19" monitor that can display 1900x1440 resolutions..... pricy, but better. so we'll call this a
TIE
CONTROLS:
now any one who has played a FPS on the computer, knows a keyboard and mouse can beat a contoler anyday, and games like C&C are frusterating with controlers untill you get used to them yet racing games are great with controlers. but remember both systems can use both a controler, and a keyboard/mouse. so.. you could say there par there. but has anyone tryed using a keyboard and mouse with a console... its not that simple. it can be done. but unless you have a high table or desk or something to put your set up on... its just gets uncomfortable and awkward.... unless you sit on the floor... and have like a butt of steel to not get soar from doing that.... so... do able, but most assuadly not simple, and the learning curve on controlers is high. but once your used to a controler, you can be quite deadly... butno matter what they can never compare to a keybaord and mouse, and no matter what you say. a decent mouse costs the same as a controler.
verdict.... well this will be a tie I think seeing as both setups work on both systems.... but its complicated on the x360
TIE-leaning towards comp
SPEED
well consoles offten do great jobs of playing games at great speeds, true details are much reduced but thats another catogory. now the poster of this thread said about 90% of computers are worse then a 360's he's off there its more like 99% but wait... whats that? remember MANY people have computers that either done get used for games... or are ment for simple games... jsut like how people have older consoles. so... that whole idea kinda become null. a 360 is bought for extream gaming.... so the only way to make a comparisn then is to say x% of comps ment for modern gaming are slower then the 360.... then we can compare... I'd have no idea what the number is... but espetily when you remember the toned down grapics(sometimes below what it can be set to on a pc belive it or not) that makes it even harder to compare. so then how do we compare this? well... you cant... a console and a computer are identical short of there whole operating system and consept of running games. you cant compare physical parts the best you can do is look at frames. in the end. like afore mentioned a $800pc(remember thats bought now, now 10 years ago) is probably on par with a 360.... and lots of people spend more then just $800 if they want a pc that can play newer games. and when you get out the same as 360 price range, the comps can hit speeds so high its not even funny... so this one goes to the
PC
POWER/EYE-CANDY
well this is a bit of a one sided section. hands down, pc, at a major price yes, but look up at the price section to see that maybe its not so bad... but. either way anyone who has seen a game one the 360, or even ps3, or any console for that matter, then seen the same game on a computer when that game is turned up full.... its MIND BLOWING. ya 360 looks sweet. but its nothing. if you want eye-candy look at stalker, on a computer thats got the shadows up full. I'd like to see any console display shadows like that, and thats just one game. even a computer thats maybe $1000-1200 can look nicer then the 360 and run faster...
PC
GAMES
well... this... this is tought... these days consoles get all the light and PC's seem to get less and less. or thats what many people think, and yes, for some things (HALO... *cought* resident evil) it is that way. but the afore mentioned stalker is computer only game... and for a few reasons. and many games still get made for the computer, and some games that done get made for the 360, but say for the ps3 instead make it onto the computer. so while computers dont get all the games, neither does the 360, the both kinda get a little mix of games.... since computer games are cheeper to produce/easier to make for the most part, or at least untill vista came out..... and as well arnt the main source of income for the PC gaming world like they are for the console world, the PC games tend to be cheeper anywere from $10-20 and when you immagien the number of games bought... thats a huge deal.... now there one last nail in teh coffine, and its why were all here. mmorpg's. sure the 360 has some... pay ones. but thingkof all the free mmorpg's that are computer thats a lot of games.... an awful lot of games.... and dont forget.... all the old but good games which can be played on computers... there QUITE backwards compatable... unless the games dos....
PC
RELIABILITY
well now this is one blow to computers.... but it offten gets blow out of proportion. yes you need to install the game, were as in a 360 you dont... but in the toss up load times are spliced in half or more... driver issues... people rant on and on about this one... well... I dont know why to be honest I myself have had few issues with drivers. except when I first got my new comp... that was it. I spent maybe 2 hours at most getting it set up, and I took more time then was honestly needed.... but people rant and rave about driver issues and instabilitys(I personaly think its them just being horny and not having anit-virus programs *cough*) so, it must be looked at seeing as personaly I've had few reliablity issues on a computer but lots of consoles(and while I have used a 360 rarly. its widly known that they have a high falure rate, all consoles fail at least a little.)in the end since I have seen no problems with either yet hear tones about problems, I'll call it a tie, and let you decied for yourself
TIE
VERDICT
NEITHER! wait what computers had more wins didnt they? well in reality it depends on what you want. if your a casual gamer.(or really like getting games when they first come out) or dont have a lot of money to spend(so your buying onle 1 console) then the 360 is a win. its sturdy, lots of games fast load ups, and even someone with NO idea about technology and use one fairly easily were as a computer while you dont need to be a tech or anything to use and game on one, it definatly does help(can get extra speed from old machines/less 'problems') if you want something that will give you the best speeds and looks and be cheep in the end count then the computer is right for you, or if you just want to play mmorpg's then its yours
From a pure gaming perspective, the consoles win hands down.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GAMES STUPID!!!
The thing you have to realize is that the PC gets only a handful of new releases per year in comparison to consoles. Unless you want to wade through tons of doujin, homebrew, and indie games, you're just not going to have access to the same number of AAA titles that you would on a console.
Then there's the matter of not being able to run a game that you meet the system requirements for. Sure, I can play Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, but the frame rate makes it feel like I'm in constant bullet-time. Then the games eat up your hard drive, meaning that you can only have so many installed at one time. The PC is just not a viable pure gaming platform.
Buy the PC to browse the web, download porn and pirated movies, do your taxes, write papers and greeting cards, ect. But for God's sake don't buy it for just games!!! Think of the games as a little added bonus..... A very little bonus....
Most people saying that the 360 can't compete with the power of a PC, have never seen what a 360 can do. When it comes to the sole purpose of playing games, the 360 outperforms most any PC on the market. Even today, a year and a half after it's launch. My PC isn't the greatest, but its definitely no slouch (8800gts 640mb, c2d 6600, 2g RAM, 250gb), and of the games I've played on both platforms, my 360 plays them all just as well (most of the time better). Also, I spent $400 on my 360, and its still just as powerful (gaming-wise) as the top o' the line PCs almost two years later. So I'm happy with my investment in the 360. I have to spend about $400 a year to keep my PC up to date so their really is no comparison when it comes to the price. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC a lot too. I play plenty of games on it, and it does a thousand things that my 360 simply can't do. When it comes to pure gaming though, the 360 is a great machine, and it runs at the front with the best of PCs. Look for a lot of future MMORPGs to expand into the console market. More potential players-> more potential income-> better quality product/content (supposed to work this way). Simple concept, and I'm gald to see that a lot of devs have recognized it. Peace!
So what your saying there is crysis will look just as good if not better on the 360? dumbass
First of all, if a discussion about video games is enough reason to start name calling on a stupid ass forum, while hiding behind your keyboard, knowing that you probably wouldn't even have the balls to look me in the eye in real person, you are one sorry bastard.
Anyway, I never said it would look better, but I'd be willing to bet that it will run Crysis better than 80-85% of PCs. I said the 360 runs games just as well, if not better than a lot of the better PCs out there, and that's based on my peronal observations that I have no reason to bullshit about. If you're talking just single-frame resolution, then of course the PC version will have the potential to look better. TV resolution cannot match monitor resolution... no shit. But, the 360's gpu has capabilities above dx9, so unless you have a dx10 card, I'd expect the 360 expect it to look just as good or better than the PC version, and it will likely run smoother.
Want some expert info on the 360's gpu and capabilities (I'm certainly no expert)? Google some developer comments on it, or even ATI's official comments on it.
From a pure gaming perspective, the consoles win hands down.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GAMES STUPID!!!
The thing you have to realize is that the PC gets only a handful of new releases per year in comparison to consoles. Unless you want to wade through tons of doujin, homebrew, and indie games, you're just not going to have access to the same number of AAA titles that you would on a console.
Then there's the matter of not being able to run a game that you meet the system requirements for. Sure, I can play Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, but the frame rate makes it feel like I'm in constant bullet-time. Then the games eat up your hard drive, meaning that you can only have so many installed at one time. The PC is just not a viable pure gaming platform.
Buy the PC to browse the web, download porn and pirated movies, do your taxes, write papers and greeting cards, ect. But for God's sake don't buy it for just games!!! Think of the games as a little added bonus..... A very little bonus....
Most people saying that the 360 can't compete with the power of a PC, have never seen what a 360 can do. When it comes to the sole purpose of playing games, the 360 outperforms most any PC on the market. Even today, a year and a half after it's launch. My PC isn't the greatest, but its definitely no slouch (8800gts 640mb, c2d 6600, 2g RAM, 250gb), and of the games I've played on both platforms, my 360 plays them all just as well (most of the time better). Also, I spent $400 on my 360, and its still just as powerful (gaming-wise) as the top o' the line PCs almost two years later. So I'm happy with my investment in the 360. I have to spend about $400 a year to keep my PC up to date so their really is no comparison when it comes to the price. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC a lot too. I play plenty of games on it, and it does a thousand things that my 360 simply can't do. When it comes to pure gaming though, the 360 is a great machine, and it runs at the front with the best of PCs. Look for a lot of future MMORPGs to expand into the console market. More potential players-> more potential income-> better quality product/content (supposed to work this way). Simple concept, and I'm gald to see that a lot of devs have recognized it. Peace!
So what your saying there is crysis will look just as good if not better on the 360? dumbass
First of all, if a discussion about video games is enough reason to start name calling on a stupid ass forum, while hiding behind your keyboard, knowing that you probably wouldn't even have the balls to look me in the eye in real person, you are one sorry bastard.
Anyway, I never said it would look better, but I'd be willing to bet that it will run Crysis better than 80-85% of PCs. I said the 360 runs games just as well, if not better than a lot of the better PCs out there, and that's based on my peronal observations that I have no reason to bullshit about. If you're talking just single-frame resolution, then of course the PC version will have the potential to look better. TV resolution cannot match monitor resolution... no shit. But, the 360's gpu has capabilities above dx9, so unless you have a dx10 card, I'd expect the 360 expect it to look just as good or better than the PC version, and it will likely run smoother.
Want some expert info on the 360's gpu and capabilities (I'm certainly no expert)? Google some developer comments on it, or even ATI's official comments on it.
Peace!
Heh... Was that a threat my dear friend? Funny how people doing the threats allways think they are bigger first off... Anyway moving on, i've seen whats in an xbox 360 and to be honest with you consoles are just like stock-car pc's. Whether or not they run better i'd agree with you they are both similar performance vs dx9. DX10 is a different matter. Lets see what the futures holds...
I personally enjoy PC more as it offers me more choices in games and in terms of games I still like it as it offers MMOs and FPS style are actually playable.
PC Games will generally be more fun or longer. MMOs that are successful can last years as a successful RPG console could last a month.
Pricing... Both are near equal I would say because console games wont last as long and you are spending $50? per game and they last so long, hence continues spending. I could never play Gears of War for years like UT2k4 or CS / CSS.
PC will last a good amount of time if your smart with the purchase while even having few good games.. (my system is 5 years old and plays oblivion in high only spending $500 on it).
And one major thing you should take into consideration is 360 = MS. MS = PC. 90-95% of all Xbox / 360 games will also be released on PC.
Pricing... Both are near equal I would say because console games wont last as long and you are spending $50? per game and they last so long, hence continues spending.
The thing you're forgetting here is that, unlike PC games, you can rent console games. This makes it easier to play the "Flavor of The Week." Also, because PC games have such incredible longevity, the prices for games drops much slower than console games. It still costs around $45 for Guild Wars: Prophecy at most Wal-Marts. Compare that to a console game that was released at about the same time.
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"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
While there are exceptions (Like adult 360 clans), I just cant help but think that they would be happier playing on a PC.
Mobility is also another concern. My contractor friend totes his 360 all over. It kind of reminds me of the old suitcase computers from back in the 80s... He could have all that power, and a high def screen in a setup that would take a fraction of the space if he picked up a good laptop.
Have you considered that while a pc can run a variety of game formats the 360 will play only the 360 compatable games or am I wrong?
Also consider this the 360 will soon be off the shelves with the new faster version and all the 360 games will disapear like a dreamcaster (heh) So stay hooked or get hooked up with an upgradable PC.
Apart from lets say..... "Crysis" which pretty much means pc > xbox360 anyway
Well unless you have a very expensive 1080i tv (which is more expensive than most gaming computers) your graphics are really going to be less than optimal with a console. Even with a 1080i tv, you still can't match the graphics abilities of most computers.
Have to love the ignorant posting things that consoles are faster than the average pc. Unless your computer is 4 years old, the computer chip is faster than the 360.
How cheap is cheap, to play a MMO you have to add a ton of new stuff to the console for it to work, mouse, keyboard, extra memory, extra hard disk.
MMO's just do not belong on a console. You watch with Conan, the console version will get conveniently deep sixed because the current consoles just don't have the power to run it.
Most people saying that the 360 can't compete with the power of a PC, have never seen what a 360 can do. When it comes to the sole purpose of playing games, the 360 outperforms most any PC on the market. Even today, a year and a half after it's launch. My PC isn't the greatest, but its definitely no slouch (8800gts 640mb, c2d 6600, 2g RAM, 250gb), and of the games I've played on both platforms, my 360 plays them all just as well (most of the time better). Also, I spent $400 on my 360, and its still just as powerful (gaming-wise) as the top o' the line PCs almost two years later. So I'm happy with my investment in the 360. I have to spend about $400 a year to keep my PC up to date so their really is no comparison when it comes to the price. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC a lot too. I play plenty of games on it, and it does a thousand things that my 360 simply can't do. When it comes to pure gaming though, the 360 is a great machine, and it runs at the front with the best of PCs.
Look for a lot of future MMORPGs to expand into the console market. More potential players-> more potential income-> better quality product/content (supposed to work this way). Simple concept, and I'm gald to see that a lot of devs have recognized it.
Peace!
if all you want to do is play MMO and FPS I'd go with PC. If you're like me and you love all different types then xbox360 is best overall. will be even better once we get some MMOs on xbox 360. unlike PC games, xbox 360 games goes through microsoft verification process. so incomplete games just wont pass.
anyway hopefully PC will get caught up soon
That's the thing with comparing consoles to PCs, you can't do it like you would compare two PCs. The architecture of consoles is very different than that of a PC, and comparing memory or speed numbers just doesn't work. The processing chip in a console doesn't have to be as fast as one in a PC to blow it away in gaming performance. To give you some real reference; ATI (developer of the 360's gpu) and many game developers alike, have said that the 360 has more graphical capability than dx9, and most all of the graphical capabilities that dx10 has.
You think the console version of AoC will be "deep sixed"? Oh, you're right because look how the inclusion of console versions killed FFXI (*this sentence - saturated with sarcasm*). AoC will be an even bigger hit just because there will be a console version.
So what your saying there is crysis will look just as good if not better on the 360? dumbass
I was a hardcore console gamer until I got my frist decent pc back in 95 (ibm aptiva 166mhz with mmx bitches) And have been an avid pc fan ever since. Anyone saying that says the xbox 360 is more powerful than a decent gaming pc (like mine for example c2d, 2 gigs ram, 7900gtx) is just plain lying to themselves.
Your average gaming pc will run circles around any console if you're just measuring raw horsepower. The big difference is that ur 360 doesnt have to run a crappy os in the background. It's made for gaming from the get go. Streamlined for gaming and just gaming. If a current top of the line pc (quad core intel, sli's 8800 ultras) didnt have the os restrictions like an xbox an was designed only to play games it would be NO CONTEST.
That being said, I see the 2 blending together more and more. I'm hoping either the next gen or the gen after that of consoles will finally be good enough that I can stop building $1500 pc's every year or 2. I'd love to jsut have my pc for school, email, etc... and my console for everything else.
And dont be stupid and flame me, im agreeing that if you played a game on xbox vs. pc the xbox version would probably play better, but only for the reasons stated above.
If the xbox had a dx 10 compatible gfx card (i doubt it does but maybe it does someone here can say im sure) it probably would. And it would run better.
That's the thing with comparing consoles to PCs, you can't do it like you would compare two PCs. The architecture of consoles is very different than that of a PC, and comparing memory or speed numbers just doesn't work. The processing chip in a console doesn't have to be as fast as one in a PC to blow it away in gaming performance. To give you some real reference; ATI (developer of the 360's gpu) and many game developers alike, have said that the 360 has more graphical capability than dx9, and most all of the graphical capabilities that dx10 has.
You think the console version of AoC will be "deep sixed"? Oh, you're right because look how the inclusion of console versions killed FFXI (*this sentence - saturated with sarcasm*). AoC will be an even bigger hit just because there will be a console version.
Yet again another misinformative person. No the xbox 360 cannot render the same way as dx10 can.
Xbox 360 seems to hang on a lot on its games. A good PC doesn't really do that.
COST:
well the obvious winner here is the 360 there cheep, no doubt about it. to get a computer to compare to a 360 you need to spend say $800+ excluding a monitor, which the average one is $200, so about 1$000 for a computer to compare to an xbox. but as mentioned before games are cheeper for computer, a lot cheeper in some cases. now though, a 360 might only be 300(dont know real price) but remember... say you want more then your crapy 27" CRT tv your going to be dishing out close to 3500 if not more depending on brand and size. were as in the monitor department you can get massive 47" monitors for just under 2000, and remember they have resolutions taht can kick any tv.
so, a upper mid range computer($800) plus a a decent sized and resolution monitor(200) thats like I said about 1000(and remember the resolution will be better then a standard, and maybe even better then a HDTV) if you want a major monitor($1500) thats $2300.
X360 and your regular old tv, maybe $700 however if you want a TV to match the monitor thats probably around $3500..... and since you sit close to a computer, even a 19" monitor good.
so... maybe the price isnt so bad... at the bare minimums the 360 wins, at the full out the computer wins(keeping in mind that the computer stays one thats about on par with a 360 in terms of power)
so, I'd call that a tie, in the end. seeing as for about $3000(canadian too) I got a top of the line machine and then some, and a 19" monitor that can display 1900x1440 resolutions..... pricy, but better. so we'll call this a
TIE
CONTROLS:
now any one who has played a FPS on the computer, knows a keyboard and mouse can beat a contoler anyday, and games like C&C are frusterating with controlers untill you get used to them yet racing games are great with controlers. but remember both systems can use both a controler, and a keyboard/mouse. so.. you could say there par there. but has anyone tryed using a keyboard and mouse with a console... its not that simple. it can be done. but unless you have a high table or desk or something to put your set up on... its just gets uncomfortable and awkward.... unless you sit on the floor... and have like a butt of steel to not get soar from doing that.... so... do able, but most assuadly not simple, and the learning curve on controlers is high. but once your used to a controler, you can be quite deadly... butno matter what they can never compare to a keybaord and mouse, and no matter what you say. a decent mouse costs the same as a controler.
verdict.... well this will be a tie I think seeing as both setups work on both systems.... but its complicated on the x360
TIE-leaning towards comp
SPEED
well consoles offten do great jobs of playing games at great speeds, true details are much reduced but thats another catogory. now the poster of this thread said about 90% of computers are worse then a 360's he's off there its more like 99% but wait... whats that? remember MANY people have computers that either done get used for games... or are ment for simple games... jsut like how people have older consoles. so... that whole idea kinda become null. a 360 is bought for extream gaming.... so the only way to make a comparisn then is to say x% of comps ment for modern gaming are slower then the 360.... then we can compare... I'd have no idea what the number is... but espetily when you remember the toned down grapics(sometimes below what it can be set to on a pc belive it or not) that makes it even harder to compare. so then how do we compare this? well... you cant... a console and a computer are identical short of there whole operating system and consept of running games. you cant compare physical parts the best you can do is look at frames. in the end. like afore mentioned a $800pc(remember thats bought now, now 10 years ago) is probably on par with a 360.... and lots of people spend more then just $800 if they want a pc that can play newer games. and when you get out the same as 360 price range, the comps can hit speeds so high its not even funny... so this one goes to the
PC
POWER/EYE-CANDY
well this is a bit of a one sided section. hands down, pc, at a major price yes, but look up at the price section to see that maybe its not so bad... but. either way anyone who has seen a game one the 360, or even ps3, or any console for that matter, then seen the same game on a computer when that game is turned up full.... its MIND BLOWING. ya 360 looks sweet. but its nothing. if you want eye-candy look at stalker, on a computer thats got the shadows up full. I'd like to see any console display shadows like that, and thats just one game. even a computer thats maybe $1000-1200 can look nicer then the 360 and run faster...
PC
GAMES
well... this... this is tought... these days consoles get all the light and PC's seem to get less and less. or thats what many people think, and yes, for some things (HALO... *cought* resident evil) it is that way. but the afore mentioned stalker is computer only game... and for a few reasons. and many games still get made for the computer, and some games that done get made for the 360, but say for the ps3 instead make it onto the computer. so while computers dont get all the games, neither does the 360, the both kinda get a little mix of games.... since computer games are cheeper to produce/easier to make for the most part, or at least untill vista came out..... and as well arnt the main source of income for the PC gaming world like they are for the console world, the PC games tend to be cheeper anywere from $10-20 and when you immagien the number of games bought... thats a huge deal.... now there one last nail in teh coffine, and its why were all here. mmorpg's. sure the 360 has some... pay ones. but thingkof all the free mmorpg's that are computer thats a lot of games.... an awful lot of games.... and dont forget.... all the old but good games which can be played on computers... there QUITE backwards compatable... unless the games dos....
PC
RELIABILITY
well now this is one blow to computers.... but it offten gets blow out of proportion. yes you need to install the game, were as in a 360 you dont... but in the toss up load times are spliced in half or more... driver issues... people rant on and on about this one... well... I dont know why to be honest I myself have had few issues with drivers. except when I first got my new comp... that was it. I spent maybe 2 hours at most getting it set up, and I took more time then was honestly needed.... but people rant and rave about driver issues and instabilitys(I personaly think its them just being horny and not having anit-virus programs *cough*) so, it must be looked at seeing as personaly I've had few reliablity issues on a computer but lots of consoles(and while I have used a 360 rarly. its widly known that they have a high falure rate, all consoles fail at least a little.)in the end since I have seen no problems with either yet hear tones about problems, I'll call it a tie, and let you decied for yourself
TIE
VERDICT
NEITHER! wait what computers had more wins didnt they? well in reality it depends on what you want. if your a casual gamer.(or really like getting games when they first come out) or dont have a lot of money to spend(so your buying onle 1 console) then the 360 is a win. its sturdy, lots of games fast load ups, and even someone with NO idea about technology and use one fairly easily were as a computer while you dont need to be a tech or anything to use and game on one, it definatly does help(can get extra speed from old machines/less 'problems') if you want something that will give you the best speeds and looks and be cheep in the end count then the computer is right for you, or if you just want to play mmorpg's then its yours
TIE!!!
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GAMES STUPID!!!
The thing you have to realize is that the PC gets only a handful of new releases per year in comparison to consoles. Unless you want to wade through tons of doujin, homebrew, and indie games, you're just not going to have access to the same number of AAA titles that you would on a console.
Then there's the matter of not being able to run a game that you meet the system requirements for. Sure, I can play Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, but the frame rate makes it feel like I'm in constant bullet-time. Then the games eat up your hard drive, meaning that you can only have so many installed at one time. The PC is just not a viable pure gaming platform.
Buy the PC to browse the web, download porn and pirated movies, do your taxes, write papers and greeting cards, ect. But for God's sake don't buy it for just games!!! Think of the games as a little added bonus..... A very little bonus....
First of all, if a discussion about video games is enough reason to start name calling on a stupid ass forum, while hiding behind your keyboard, knowing that you probably wouldn't even have the balls to look me in the eye in real person, you are one sorry bastard.
Anyway, I never said it would look better, but I'd be willing to bet that it will run Crysis better than 80-85% of PCs. I said the 360 runs games just as well, if not better than a lot of the better PCs out there, and that's based on my peronal observations that I have no reason to bullshit about. If you're talking just single-frame resolution, then of course the PC version will have the potential to look better. TV resolution cannot match monitor resolution... no shit. But, the 360's gpu has capabilities above dx9, so unless you have a dx10 card, I'd expect the 360 expect it to look just as good or better than the PC version, and it will likely run smoother.
Want some expert info on the 360's gpu and capabilities (I'm certainly no expert)? Google some developer comments on it, or even ATI's official comments on it.
Peace!
First of all, if a discussion about video games is enough reason to start name calling on a stupid ass forum, while hiding behind your keyboard, knowing that you probably wouldn't even have the balls to look me in the eye in real person, you are one sorry bastard.
Anyway, I never said it would look better, but I'd be willing to bet that it will run Crysis better than 80-85% of PCs. I said the 360 runs games just as well, if not better than a lot of the better PCs out there, and that's based on my peronal observations that I have no reason to bullshit about. If you're talking just single-frame resolution, then of course the PC version will have the potential to look better. TV resolution cannot match monitor resolution... no shit. But, the 360's gpu has capabilities above dx9, so unless you have a dx10 card, I'd expect the 360 expect it to look just as good or better than the PC version, and it will likely run smoother.
Want some expert info on the 360's gpu and capabilities (I'm certainly no expert)? Google some developer comments on it, or even ATI's official comments on it.
Peace!
Heh... Was that a threat my dear friend? Funny how people doing the threats allways think they are bigger first off...
Anyway moving on, i've seen whats in an xbox 360 and to be honest with you consoles are just like stock-car pc's. Whether or not they run better i'd agree with you they are both similar performance vs dx9. DX10 is a different matter. Lets see what the futures holds...
Peace.
PC Games will generally be more fun or longer. MMOs that are successful can last years as a successful RPG console could last a month.
Pricing... Both are near equal I would say because console games wont last as long and you are spending $50? per game and they last so long, hence continues spending. I could never play Gears of War for years like UT2k4 or CS / CSS.
PC will last a good amount of time if your smart with the purchase while even having few good games.. (my system is 5 years old and plays oblivion in high only spending $500 on it).
And one major thing you should take into consideration is 360 = MS. MS = PC. 90-95% of all Xbox / 360 games will also be released on PC.
Pricing... Both are near equal I would say because console games wont last as long and you are spending $50? per game and they last so long, hence continues spending.
The thing you're forgetting here is that, unlike PC games, you can rent console games. This makes it easier to play the "Flavor of The Week." Also, because PC games have such incredible longevity, the prices for games drops much slower than console games. It still costs around $45 for Guild Wars: Prophecy at most Wal-Marts. Compare that to a console game that was released at about the same time.