No I don't know what his methods were, or at least if I do remember them I'm not willing to reiterate them. And I'm not defending his methods, they aren't my methods. And just because you can't find the post doesn't mean it isn't there.
Weaksauce.
You mean million right? I can definately see that but billion might be pushing it
Speaking for myself, I haven't seen a lot of posts worth replying to.
QFE. (By your standard of measure it will be measured unto you.... heard that somewhere).
Actually, I've quit posting here much because everytime I say something, I get a moderator warning about trolling. How can I get warnings, and stanlymanly gets away with this stuff?
No I don't know what his methods were, or at least if I do remember them I'm not willing to reiterate them. And I'm not defending his methods, they aren't my methods. And just because you can't find the post doesn't mean it isn't there.
Weaksauce.
Thats awesome, there are only 6.5 billion people on Earth and 2.5 billion of them play LoTRO! I love this game too!
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
I feel it is justified to call BS Stanly because for all we know that guy could just be a troll. If you want to quote me sales figures from a reputable source I will be happy to listen but just because some one posted something in a message forum does not mean it is a fact now does it.
The 1 million player call was just to show that my shovel is as big as your shovel and my opinion and right to express it is just as valis as yours. But when it all boils down they are both just opinions. Seems as if I touched a nerve with WoW , did not mean to hurt your feelings there.
If you don't believe his numbers, then ask him how he did it, and do it yourself. I'm pretty sure that some sales figures were quoted that clearly showed LOTRO was pushed out of the number 1 spot. Isn't NPD reputable? I love how you flipflop your stance on numbers when they aren't in line with your expectations.
So you are deliberately exaggerating for the heck of it? Um, kudos I guess. I hope people keep this in mind when they read your posts from now on. I love how you went from lying about me playing LOTRO, to now accusing me of being a WoW fan. I guess the only way for you to show people that LOTRO is a good game, is by making things up about me, and lacing it with personal attacks. I guess that speaks volumes about you and your game, now doesn't it?
No I don't know what his methods were, or at least if I do remember them I'm not willing to reiterate them. And I'm not defending his methods, they aren't my methods. And just because you can't find the post doesn't mean it isn't there.
Weaksauce.
Thats awesome, there are only 6.5 billion people on Earth and 2.5 billion of them play LoTRO! I love this game too!
Woah! That is so totally cool. That would mean that LOTRO is bringing in 30 billion dollars a month in subscriptions, or 360 billion a year. That's just like Richie Rich or maybe even Bill Gates.
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Can't be all that bad. Us euro's have 4 normal english + 1 EN-RP server, 3 german + 1 DE-RP server, 1 french + 1 FR-RP server. Thats a total of 11 servers. Codemasters is also getting some live events going this weekend. Seems pretty active to me. Don't really care if there is or isnt a possible "storm" coming. There are always going to be complainers. As long as i am enjoying myself, it's all good .
We can sit here all evening and argue about numbers we're pulling out of our ass but at the end of it all it never solves the question I'm pondering. Why is it that the OP seems to find so much pleasure in watching a game that people enjoy, be it 10 or 2 million, fail. What is it about LOTRO that you apparently don't care for that makes you sit by biding your time hoping for it's demise?
Just ignore StanlyManly. He is a Troll. If you look at his post history he is extremely anti-lotro and anti-turbine. So don't worry, he always posts negative things about the game. I think he might have some issues.
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Originally posted by Jackdog Originally posted by StanlyManly Originally posted by Jackdog So tell me Stanly exactly what is the command for getting server wide population figures? There isn't one is there? By the way while over at VN you might want to check this thread out toovnboards.ign.com/lotr_online_general_board/b5042/102957922/p1/
Why are you asking me? He explains his methodology.
Yeah, I've seen that. You do realize its for April, right? And you do realize that there are no actual numbers attached to the sales charts, right? I mean, I know you love touting sales charts, but we have yet to see real numbers behind it. Soon as the NPD numbers are released for May, we'll be able to discuss things a little more . A word of advice that you didn't ask for and don't have to take... Don't be surprised when the numbers are lower than you hope. Wasn't it just 2 months ago that fans were claiming 600k initial sales?
Edit: Hehe, did you scroll down to where it shows WoW and WoW:TBC back in the number 1 and 2 spots?
Why I ask. Because you are quoting it as a fact and all he says in his post is he uses searches. I cannot find any keyboard commands and until he or you can supply me with a way to double check I will raise the Bullshit flag. I know you love touting anything which rep[resents LoTRO in a negative manner but unless you can back up your claims you just look like a troll here.
But at least you at last played your WoW card so we now know why you find LoTRO such a threat. Go on back and enjoy your WoW Stan, it will not bankrupt Blizzard to lose a million or so to LoTRO. Oh and heh heh it is stil May, cannot get those figures yet..ummm duh
I didn't even read that link, but I can tell you how it's done. It's done the same way Census works in WoW, or several other addons in games. You do a bunch of /who commands with different variables until you can be relatively sure you have a list of everyone who is online at the time, and then you discount any duplicate returns from the /who. Does that make sense? You can almost certainly do a /who Breeland (or whatever the zone names are), and this is how you would get a list of everyone in the game at the time. There is then alot of math about MMO averages and such that is over my head, but I do know alot of research has been done on this topic, for example, the average of concurrent players will help you find a likely range that includes the total subscribers.
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John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
you know all that really matters is if you can find mates for a good group and that does not seem to be a issue. As far as your original post Stan as far as I can tell you have never been right yet on one of your predictions. Keep making them though, you know th eold saying about the infinite number of monkeys on a infinite number of typewriters. Sooner or later you will be right. Myself I predict that in 25 years all the LoTRO servers will be shut down.
The raw statistics show ~13K people online at one time. This does not include several groups (monsters, anon players) so this number is a bit low. It is also not during peak hours. It would not be unreasonable to extrapolate that the game has ~130k (+/- 65k)members. This is not a bad showing for a new game.
The raw statistics show ~13K people online at one time. This does not include several groups (monsters, anon players) so this number is a bit low. It is also not during peak hours. It would not be unreasonable to extrapolate that the game has ~130k (+/- 65k)members. This is not a bad showing for a new game.
I have no reason to believe any statistics that any poster puts up, whetehr they may or may not be accurate is purely speculation on my part. I am pro LoTRO so I tend to raise an eyebrow, others like to flame the game so they will quote any tidbit that they think proves their point. All I am saying is how do we know those "statistics" are accurate or honest. Sorry but just because some one posts something on a message forum does not make it a fact.. Show me accurate data on number of sales from a consumer site and I might have some gfaith in those "statistics"
I'd post more on this forum, but you know what? - I'm having far too much fun playing LOTRO to bother much these days. As for numbers... well, my server (EU EN-RP Laurelin) is always busy every day and it's absolutely packed at prime time. Everyone I have spoken to in the game - and I do mean everyone without exception - has told me that they love the game. Right now we're all looking forward to the weekend quest events and the huge celebration event that is planned afterwards. And then after that is the shores of evendim free expansion - all very good stuff heading our way
So Stanly... enjoy whatever it is that you do with yourself when you're not bashing LOTRO.
Okay.. I gotta go bid on a nice set of gauntlets I have my eye on in the AH ...
And now we have that calm. That lull when those people who once sang the praises of the game for 2 weeks are now realizing that maybe they shouldn't have trumpeted so loudly. They aren't posting now because they are in a state of disbelief. They are torn between wanting to like the game as much as they said they did, and their actual feelings of frustration. Confusion and doubt is settling in.
The storm will come soon. The fall from grace is happening. I'll get my popcorn ready.
No, actually, I'm pretty f'ing tired of responding to asshats like yourself. And since numerous emails to MMORPG.com has not pursuaded them to fix their poster blocking, I'm stuck reading your mental diarrhea.
God I hope I can grow up to be like you one day Stan. Thirty seven years old, and wasting your life away trolling on a game board. Fuck, that's got to be the best life ever. When's that little key going to turn in your head, Stan? The one that unlocks the vision of your pathetic life and allows you to put the barrel of a .45 in your fat mouth.
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Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
The raw statistics show ~13K people online at one time. This does not include several groups (monsters, anon players) so this number is a bit low. It is also not during peak hours. It would not be unreasonable to extrapolate that the game has ~130k (+/- 65k)members. This is not a bad showing for a new game.
Just a quick correction here. It was shown that people flagged Anon *do* show up on the searches. So the only players not accounted for are the monster characters. Of course, there is a margin of error with things like, people logging on or off, zoning, leveling while the search was being done, etc.
So for anyone who thinks that there is a huge discrepancy due to players being Anon, that is certainly not the case.
I'd say your estimate of 130k players is plausible. My point again, is that its not the 600k-1m that some of the more... enthusiastic... fans of the game have purported.
No, actually, I'm pretty f'ing tired of responding to asshats like yourself. And since numerous emails to MMORPG.com has not pursuaded them to fix their poster blocking, I'm stuck reading your mental diarrhea. God I hope I can grow up to be like you one day Stan. Thirty seven years old, and wasting your life away trolling on a game board. Fuck, that's got to be the best life ever. When's that little key going to turn in your head, Stan? The one that unlocks the vision of your pathetic life and allows you to put the barrel of a .45 in your fat mouth.
Yeah, because people should aspire to "grow up" like you instead... you know, suggesting people should blow their heads off on a forum for posting an opinion about a game that differs from your own.
The raw statistics show ~13K people online at one time. This does not include several groups (monsters, anon players) so this number is a bit low. It is also not during peak hours. It would not be unreasonable to extrapolate that the game has ~130k (+/- 65k)members. This is not a bad showing for a new game.
Just a quick correction here. It was shown that people flagged Anon *do* show up on the searches. So the only players not accounted for are the monster characters. Of course, there is a margin of error with things like, people logging on or off, zoning, leveling while the search was being done, etc.
So for anyone who thinks that there is a huge discrepancy due to players being Anon, that is certainly not the case.
I'd say your estimate of 130k players is plausible. My point again, is that its not the 600k-1m that some of the more... enthusiastic... fans of the game have purported. Hey Stanley I just did a search on players of all levels on Silverlode and came up with 27, 346 people onlin just on Silverton. using your figures I guess that means that 4,424,235 people are playing Lotro. What you doubt my figures, hey I posted it on a message baord it has to be accurate.
Bottom line is Stan you pull figures out of your ass and quote them as truth. Your credibility is about zero.
The raw statistics show ~13K people online at one time. This does not include several groups (monsters, anon players) so this number is a bit low. It is also not during peak hours. It would not be unreasonable to extrapolate that the game has ~130k (+/- 65k)members. This is not a bad showing for a new game.
Just a quick correction here. It was shown that people flagged Anon *do* show up on the searches. So the only players not accounted for are the monster characters. Of course, there is a margin of error with things like, people logging on or off, zoning, leveling while the search was being done, etc.
So for anyone who thinks that there is a huge discrepancy due to players being Anon, that is certainly not the case.
I'd say your estimate of 130k players is plausible. My point again, is that its not the 600k-1m that some of the more... enthusiastic... fans of the game have purported.
EDIT: Took out part regarding anonymous. You actually do show up after a period of about 10 minutes as not anonymous! It does bring up the fact that that if the "anonymous" box doesn't make you "anonymous" it's fairly silly.
My other question would be players in instances. I've seen no definitive source that these show up in searches, and also the person who collected the data himself told you that there more possible variables than just Monster players as you are suggesting. I would imagine it's been proven they count as well, but I'll be a skeptic on that one until I see for myself as well
You are basically putting more stock into the numbers than the person did himself, which is why I have more doubts. I would be ok that you are doing this, but your "claim" on the anonymous aspect is wrong, even though you're saying it's proven otherwise.
That being said, I don't think the estimates are UNREASONABLY low. Just a tad low, somewhere along the lines of 15-30% low which would still make for a reasonable estimate given the data gathering circumstances. (you can only get so much data from our end)
Although I wouldn't trust them as anything official or extrapolate too much off of them, which is exactly what the guy said when he posted it (and reiterated the fact). The ONLY thing it tells us is that there are AT LEAST XX amount on at one time.
Then again, I also don't remember seeing the flood of posts saying there was 600-1m subs.
The raw statistics show ~13K people online at one time. This does not include several groups (monsters, anon players) so this number is a bit low. It is also not during peak hours. It would not be unreasonable to extrapolate that the game has ~130k (+/- 65k)members. This is not a bad showing for a new game.
Just a quick correction here. It was shown that people flagged Anon *do* show up on the searches. So the only players not accounted for are the monster characters. Of course, there is a margin of error with things like, people logging on or off, zoning, leveling while the search was being done, etc.
So for anyone who thinks that there is a huge discrepancy due to players being Anon, that is certainly not the case.
I'd say your estimate of 130k players is plausible. My point again, is that its not the 600k-1m that some of the more... enthusiastic... fans of the game have purported.
Just a quick correction here myself but you do NOT show up on a search when you are listed anonymous. I'm in the game right now and my name immediately disappears once you tick that anonymous box. Who told you this because it isn't true. If you mouse over the anonymous tick-box it even tells you people cannot see you.
Not to mention the obvious, glaring fact that if the "anonymous" box doesn't make you "anonymous", there's really no purpose it serves
My other question would be players in instances. I've seen no definitive source that these show up in searches, and also the person who collected the data himself told you that there more possible variables than just Monster players as you are suggesting.
You are basically putting more stock into the numbers than the person did himself, which is why I have more doubts. I would be ok that you are doing this, but your "claim" on the anonymous aspect is wrong, even though you're saying it's proven otherwise.
That being said, I don't think the estimates are UNREASONABLY low. Just a tad low, somewhere along the lines of 15-30% low which would still make for a reasonable estimate given the data gathering circumstances. (you can only get so much data from our end)
Although I wouldn't trust them as anything official or extrapolate too much off of them, which is exactly what the guy said when he posted it (and reiterated the fact). The ONLY thing it tells us is that there are AT LEAST XX amount on at one time.
Then again, I also don't remember seeing the flood of posts saying there was 600-1m subs. Or where it was "proven" that you do show up in the Search window when you're anonymous. (which would completely negate the entire purpose of marking yourself "anonymous")
It does not matter really, Stan just pulls made up numbers out and quotes them as facts. You want to argue with him then fine but his "statistics" are just fiction unless he can pull up some kind of official consumer site to back them up.
Hey Stanley I just did a search on players of all levels on Silverlode and came up with 27, 346 people onlin just on Silverton. using your figures I guess that means that 4,424,235 people are playing Lotro. What you doubt my figures, hey I posted it on a message baord it has to be accurate.
Bottom line is Stan you pull figures out of your ass and quote them as truth. Your credibility is about zero.
The difference here, Jackdog, is simple.
You are lying. You know you are, and yet you still post your fabrications to somehow "prove" some "point". All you are doing is lying.
I am not lying. I did not make these numbers up. I am simply passing along some numbers that another person came up with using a type of search that seems plausible. Could he have made it up? Yes. Did he? Personally I doubt it. If you think he did, prove him wrong. You seem to be all about proof, yet when presented with numbers that you don't like, you call foul. So, put up or shut up Jack. Do the search, and lets see your numbers.
I find it quite amusing that you purposefully and willfully lie repeatedly, and then bring my credibility into question.
Hey Stanley I just did a search on players of all levels on Silverlode and came up with 27, 346 people onlin just on Silverton. using your figures I guess that means that 4,424,235 people are playing Lotro. What you doubt my figures, hey I posted it on a message baord it has to be accurate.
Bottom line is Stan you pull figures out of your ass and quote them as truth. Your credibility is about zero.
The difference here, Jackdog, is simple.
You are lying. You know you are, and yet you still post your fabrications to somehow "prove" some "point". All you are doing is lying.
I am not lying. I did not make these numbers up. I am simply passing along some numbers that another person came up with using a type of search that seems plausible. Could he have made it up? Yes. Did he? Personally I doubt it. If you think he did, prove him wrong. You seem to be all about proof, yet when presented with numbers that you don't like, you call foul. So, put up or shut up Jack. Do the search, and lets see your numbers.
I find it quite amusing that you purposefully and willfully lie repeatedly, and then bring my credibility into question. Stanly for all we know you could be that other person and you could have made those numbers up. Damn straight about the proof if you are going to come over and make a post like this provide some validity for the numbers you are spouting other than "Some one posted this on another forum". Other wise expect to get ridiculed for quoting bullshit as fact.
I find it amusing that you repeatedly troll these forums yet you want us to think you are objective. That person could have made up those numbers, I don't have any proof he did just as you don't have any proof he did not. Stanly your credibility is shit in my opinion unless you can provide a verifiable link from a neutral source such as one of the recognized consumer sites.
Let's see some proof Stan if you have any. Other wise you might as well post that LoTRO only sold 1 copy or 100, 000, 000 copies, the numbers do no matter if they are just something some one pulled out of their hat. That is my point Stan and my only point. Back up your figures since you are so positive they are accurate.
You simply want to believe LoTRO is failing and will grasp at any straw and quote it as truth Stan. You just seem to get more desperate and your arguments weaker each day.
I'm sure if there was 1 million (or even 500K) playing or boxes sold, Turbine would have plastered that all over the place.
There would be Pink Hippos with Bozo horns honking down every main street in the US, EU, and where ever else with huge banners reading "Wooohooo!".
No, I don't really have a point i just wanted to use Pink hippos in a post today.
I like pink hippos and my over the top figures were simply a parody to show that anyone can post anything as far as figures and it does not mean shit except that I have a keyboard and a internet connection available.
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QFE. (By your standard of measure it will be measured unto you.... heard that somewhere).
Actually, I've quit posting here much because everytime I say something, I get a moderator warning about trolling. How can I get warnings, and stanlymanly gets away with this stuff?
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So you are deliberately exaggerating for the heck of it? Um, kudos I guess. I hope people keep this in mind when they read your posts from now on. I love how you went from lying about me playing LOTRO, to now accusing me of being a WoW fan. I guess the only way for you to show people that LOTRO is a good game, is by making things up about me, and lacing it with personal attacks. I guess that speaks volumes about you and your game, now doesn't it?
Equal opportunity troll.
Woah! That is so totally cool. That would mean that LOTRO is bringing in 30 billion dollars a month in subscriptions, or 360 billion a year. That's just like Richie Rich or maybe even Bill Gates.
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Yeah, I've seen that. You do realize its for April, right? And you do realize that there are no actual numbers attached to the sales charts, right? I mean, I know you love touting sales charts, but we have yet to see real numbers behind it. Soon as the NPD numbers are released for May, we'll be able to discuss things a little more
. A word of advice that you didn't ask for and don't have to take... Don't be surprised when the numbers are lower than you hope. Wasn't it just 2 months ago that fans were claiming 600k initial sales?
Edit: Hehe, did you scroll down to where it shows WoW and WoW:TBC back in the number 1 and 2 spots?
Why I ask. Because you are quoting it as a fact and all he says in his post is he uses searches. I cannot find any keyboard commands and until he or you can supply me with a way to double check I will raise the Bullshit flag. I know you love touting anything which rep[resents LoTRO in a negative manner but unless you can back up your claims you just look like a troll here.
But at least you at last played your WoW card so we now know why you find LoTRO such a threat. Go on back and enjoy your WoW Stan, it will not bankrupt Blizzard to lose a million or so to LoTRO. Oh and heh heh it is stil May, cannot get those figures yet..ummm duh
I didn't even read that link, but I can tell you how it's done. It's done the same way Census works in WoW, or several other addons in games. You do a bunch of /who commands with different variables until you can be relatively sure you have a list of everyone who is online at the time, and then you discount any duplicate returns from the /who. Does that make sense? You can almost certainly do a /who Breeland (or whatever the zone names are), and this is how you would get a list of everyone in the game at the time. There is then alot of math about MMO averages and such that is over my head, but I do know alot of research has been done on this topic, for example, the average of concurrent players will help you find a likely range that includes the total subscribers.
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John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
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The raw statistics show ~13K people online at one time. This does not include several groups (monsters, anon players) so this number is a bit low. It is also not during peak hours. It would not be unreasonable to extrapolate that the game has ~130k (+/- 65k)members. This is not a bad showing for a new game.
I miss DAoC
Uhm... LMAO
Have fun waiting for your non event Stanly.
I'd post more on this forum, but you know what? - I'm having far too much fun playing LOTRO to bother much these days. As for numbers... well, my server (EU EN-RP Laurelin) is always busy every day and it's absolutely packed at prime time. Everyone I have spoken to in the game - and I do mean everyone without exception - has told me that they love the game. Right now we're all looking forward to the weekend quest events and the huge celebration event that is planned afterwards. And then after that is the shores of evendim free expansion - all very good stuff heading our way
So Stanly... enjoy whatever it is that you do with yourself when you're not bashing LOTRO.
Okay.. I gotta go bid on a nice set of gauntlets I have my eye on in the AH ...
No, actually, I'm pretty f'ing tired of responding to asshats like yourself. And since numerous emails to MMORPG.com has not pursuaded them to fix their poster blocking, I'm stuck reading your mental diarrhea.
God I hope I can grow up to be like you one day Stan. Thirty seven years old, and wasting your life away trolling on a game board. Fuck, that's got to be the best life ever. When's that little key going to turn in your head, Stan? The one that unlocks the vision of your pathetic life and allows you to put the barrel of a .45 in your fat mouth.
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So for anyone who thinks that there is a huge discrepancy due to players being Anon, that is certainly not the case.
I'd say your estimate of 130k players is plausible. My point again, is that its not the 600k-1m that some of the more... enthusiastic... fans of the game have purported.
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So for anyone who thinks that there is a huge discrepancy due to players being Anon, that is certainly not the case.
I'd say your estimate of 130k players is plausible. My point again, is that its not the 600k-1m that some of the more... enthusiastic... fans of the game have purported. Hey Stanley I just did a search on players of all levels on Silverlode and came up with 27, 346 people onlin just on Silverton. using your figures I guess that means that 4,424,235 people are playing Lotro. What you doubt my figures, hey I posted it on a message baord it has to be accurate.
Bottom line is Stan you pull figures out of your ass and quote them as truth. Your credibility is about zero.
I miss DAoC
So for anyone who thinks that there is a huge discrepancy due to players being Anon, that is certainly not the case.
I'd say your estimate of 130k players is plausible. My point again, is that its not the 600k-1m that some of the more... enthusiastic... fans of the game have purported.
EDIT: Took out part regarding anonymous. You actually do show up after a period of about 10 minutes as not anonymous! It does bring up the fact that that if the "anonymous" box doesn't make you "anonymous" it's fairly silly.
My other question would be players in instances. I've seen no definitive source that these show up in searches, and also the person who collected the data himself told you that there more possible variables than just Monster players as you are suggesting. I would imagine it's been proven they count as well, but I'll be a skeptic on that one until I see for myself as well
You are basically putting more stock into the numbers than the person did himself, which is why I have more doubts. I would be ok that you are doing this, but your "claim" on the anonymous aspect is wrong, even though you're saying it's proven otherwise.
That being said, I don't think the estimates are UNREASONABLY low. Just a tad low, somewhere along the lines of 15-30% low which would still make for a reasonable estimate given the data gathering circumstances. (you can only get so much data from our end)
Although I wouldn't trust them as anything official or extrapolate too much off of them, which is exactly what the guy said when he posted it (and reiterated the fact). The ONLY thing it tells us is that there are AT LEAST XX amount on at one time.
Then again, I also don't remember seeing the flood of posts saying there was 600-1m subs.
So for anyone who thinks that there is a huge discrepancy due to players being Anon, that is certainly not the case.
I'd say your estimate of 130k players is plausible. My point again, is that its not the 600k-1m that some of the more... enthusiastic... fans of the game have purported.
Just a quick correction here myself but you do NOT show up on a search when you are listed anonymous. I'm in the game right now and my name immediately disappears once you tick that anonymous box. Who told you this because it isn't true. If you mouse over the anonymous tick-box it even tells you people cannot see you.
Not to mention the obvious, glaring fact that if the "anonymous" box doesn't make you "anonymous", there's really no purpose it serves
My other question would be players in instances. I've seen no definitive source that these show up in searches, and also the person who collected the data himself told you that there more possible variables than just Monster players as you are suggesting.
You are basically putting more stock into the numbers than the person did himself, which is why I have more doubts. I would be ok that you are doing this, but your "claim" on the anonymous aspect is wrong, even though you're saying it's proven otherwise.
That being said, I don't think the estimates are UNREASONABLY low. Just a tad low, somewhere along the lines of 15-30% low which would still make for a reasonable estimate given the data gathering circumstances. (you can only get so much data from our end)
Although I wouldn't trust them as anything official or extrapolate too much off of them, which is exactly what the guy said when he posted it (and reiterated the fact). The ONLY thing it tells us is that there are AT LEAST XX amount on at one time.
Then again, I also don't remember seeing the flood of posts saying there was 600-1m subs. Or where it was "proven" that you do show up in the Search window when you're anonymous. (which would completely negate the entire purpose of marking yourself "anonymous")
It does not matter really, Stan just pulls made up numbers out and quotes them as facts. You want to argue with him then fine but his "statistics" are just fiction unless he can pull up some kind of official consumer site to back them up.I miss DAoC
There would be Pink Hippos with Bozo horns honking down every main street in the US, EU, and where ever else with huge banners reading "Wooohooo!".
No, I don't really have a point i just wanted to use Pink hippos in a post today.
You are lying. You know you are, and yet you still post your fabrications to somehow "prove" some "point". All you are doing is lying.
I am not lying. I did not make these numbers up. I am simply passing along some numbers that another person came up with using a type of search that seems plausible. Could he have made it up? Yes. Did he? Personally I doubt it. If you think he did, prove him wrong. You seem to be all about proof, yet when presented with numbers that you don't like, you call foul. So, put up or shut up Jack. Do the search, and lets see your numbers.
I find it quite amusing that you purposefully and willfully lie repeatedly, and then bring my credibility into question.
Equal opportunity troll.
You are lying. You know you are, and yet you still post your fabrications to somehow "prove" some "point". All you are doing is lying.
I am not lying. I did not make these numbers up. I am simply passing along some numbers that another person came up with using a type of search that seems plausible. Could he have made it up? Yes. Did he? Personally I doubt it. If you think he did, prove him wrong. You seem to be all about proof, yet when presented with numbers that you don't like, you call foul. So, put up or shut up Jack. Do the search, and lets see your numbers.
I find it quite amusing that you purposefully and willfully lie repeatedly, and then bring my credibility into question. Stanly for all we know you could be that other person and you could have made those numbers up. Damn straight about the proof if you are going to come over and make a post like this provide some validity for the numbers you are spouting other than "Some one posted this on another forum". Other wise expect to get ridiculed for quoting bullshit as fact.
I find it amusing that you repeatedly troll these forums yet you want us to think you are objective. That person could have made up those numbers, I don't have any proof he did just as you don't have any proof he did not. Stanly your credibility is shit in my opinion unless you can provide a verifiable link from a neutral source such as one of the recognized consumer sites.
Let's see some proof Stan if you have any. Other wise you might as well post that LoTRO only sold 1 copy or 100, 000, 000 copies, the numbers do no matter if they are just something some one pulled out of their hat. That is my point Stan and my only point. Back up your figures since you are so positive they are accurate.
You simply want to believe LoTRO is failing and will grasp at any straw and quote it as truth Stan. You just seem to get more desperate and your arguments weaker each day.
I miss DAoC
I miss DAoC