I know jack about this game but the fact that you can be a "fox-man" blatently means its crap. If you ask me THATs why it was headed for the rocks. Don't know why anyone was ever hyped about a game that is reminiscent of childrens toys.
I know jack about this game but the fact that you can be a "fox-man" blatently means its crap. If you ask me THATs why it was headed for the rocks. Don't know why anyone was ever hyped about a game that is reminiscent of childrens toys.
For me it's when it gets to the point that you can "mount a unicorn", then I feel the need to back off. If that means I'm just too straight and hard to play Vanguard then so be it, but unicorns? Even my sister thinks riding on one of those in an MMO is a bit non-hetro, although she is thirty years old and a lawyer!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
1. If Sigil had used its 6 years and $30 million more constructively, and had shown any ability to set and meet goals on any kind of a timetable, it probably could have persuaded MS to invest more funds and give them more time. When you deal with an investor, you have to please that investor, not ignore their wishes altogether and then say "more money please."
2. It wasn't just MS who would not invest further. According to Brad, he spent 9 months pressing the flesh and making phone calls trying to get more funding, and could not raise a dime. What does that tell you? A lot of companies and a lot of investors looked this thing over, saw the same thing MS saw, and refused to invest for the same reasons.
3. If this game was intended for a wide audience, then Brad could have promoted it as a game with a huge potential for profitability, which would have enabled him to raise more money. But he elected to make it a niche game for harder core gamers, and that means only so many people can reasonably be expected to buy it. Once you put a cap like that on the ceiiling of profitability, you limit how much money it makes sense to put into the game.
4. Nothing compelled Brad to spend all $30 million. If he had been more frugal and judicious with that money, he would not have run out and needed more. It wasn't time that he ran out of. If he still had $10 million in the bank and said, MS I still have plenty of money to finish the game, but I need another 9 months, they would have agreed to that (since according to him they were more interested in other projects anyway). But he asked for more time AND more money. That was where the wheels came off.
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I know jack about this game but the fact that you can be a "fox-man" blatently means its crap. If you ask me THATs why it was headed for the rocks. Don't know why anyone was ever hyped about a game that is reminiscent of childrens toys.
For me it's when it gets to the point that you can "mount a unicorn", then I feel the need to back off. If that means I'm just too straight and hard to play Vanguard then so be it, but unicorns? Even my sister thinks riding on one of those in an MMO is a bit non-hetro, although she is thirty years old and a lawyer!
Yep I dont know anything about the game and don't wish too simply because it looks worse than pokemon. I just don't understand how anybody could think this was gona be good let alone 3rd gen, or why people bought this game. I saw the screen of a fox headed man killing a fox in my pc gamer mag and knew this was a load of bollocks.
Yep I dont know anything about the game and don't wish too simply because it looks worse than pokemon. I just don't understand how anybody could think this was gona be good let alone 3rd gen, or why people bought this game. I saw the screen of a fox headed man killing a fox in my pc gamer mag and knew this was a load of bollocks.
The races et. al. didn't bother me. I was hoping a lot of what was promised was going to make it in the game at release. I liked a lot of what I heard from the developers. Oh well. Live and learn.
Four more points. 1. If Sigil had used its 6 years and $30 million more constructively, and had shown any ability to set and meet goals on any kind of a timetable, it probably could have persuaded MS to invest more funds and give them more time. When you deal with an investor, you have to please that investor, not ignore their wishes altogether and then say "more money please." 2. It wasn't just MS who would not invest further. According to Brad, he spent 9 months pressing the flesh and making phone calls trying to get more funding, and could not raise a dime. What does that tell you? A lot of companies and a lot of investors looked this thing over, saw the same thing MS saw, and refused to invest for the same reasons. 3. If this game was intended for a wide audience, then Brad could have promoted it as a game with a huge potential for profitability, which would have enabled him to raise more money. But he elected to make it a niche game for harder core gamers, and that means only so many people can reasonably be expected to buy it. Once you put a cap like that on the ceiiling of profitability, you limit how much money it makes sense to put into the game. 4. Nothing compelled Brad to spend all $30 million. If he had been more frugal and judicious with that money, he would not have run out and needed more. It wasn't time that he ran out of. If he still had $10 million in the bank and said, MS I still have plenty of money to finish the game, but I need another 9 months, they would have agreed to that (since according to him they were more interested in other projects anyway). But he asked for more time AND more money. That was where the wheels came off.
Im going to have to disagree. With MMO's you make your money back so fast its insane. With the 200K people that bought it. (me one of em) If it would of been a completed title would of had its money back within 6 months. 10million from launch and 3million each month after if they kept a 200k playerbase. Those numbers alone validate funding. They just shifted priorities because thats microsoft. They gave up the mmo world with AC so they feel they know MMO's and AC didnt cost that much to fund. Brad only went to the darkside once he couldnt get the funding for his game. As any human would do. Fend for yourself and thats what he did and thats how it ended. Money is root of all EVIL in this business and brad is guilty of that. So IMO he is no christian because of this act.
Vista is hardly a flunk mate, it sold 40 million copies on release day. Games for Windows already has LoTRO, AoC and WAR and any other upcomming MMO will all be on the games for windows catalog. Vista in terms of performance is only just short of XP in it's current state, remember it took XP 6 years to get the way it is. It won't be long befor Vista surpasses XP with games embracing DX10 among other features.
Vista sold 40mill because manufactures of PC's got rid of xp and put vista on there line ups. i guarentee 40million people didnt go out and get vista.
I own a copy of Business Vista for my home PC, but it is sitting in the case on a shelf;I have not upgraded on my PC. I am waiting for them to improve it before I use it. A friend of mine uses Vista Premium and says he got at least 5 FPS increase from using it. I am afraid if I upgrade I will break something on my computer. I am going to wait for Biz Vista to improve.
Vista is hardly a flunk mate, it sold 40 million copies on release day. Games for Windows already has LoTRO, AoC and WAR and any other upcomming MMO will all be on the games for windows catalog. Vista in terms of performance is only just short of XP in it's current state, remember it took XP 6 years to get the way it is. It won't be long befor Vista surpasses XP with games embracing DX10 among other features.
Vista sold 40mill because manufactures of PC's got rid of xp and put vista on there line ups. i guarentee 40million people didnt go out and get vista.
It sold alot and comtinues to sell. Gamers understand that Vista is needed to play games on DX10, i have Vista and find it better than XP, VG was the only game that gave me problems with it. WoW 2 years old runs perfect on Vista, LoTRO brand new runs perfect (for me) on Vista. Most of my single player games run fine on it aswell. VG is the only game with a Vista compatible label that performs badly for me on it. Infact Vista doesn't even list VG in it's games section but it will list mostly any other game i install.
Vista didn't just sell 40 million copies because of companies ditching XP, Alot of gamers were going nuts for it because of DX10. I'm not saying that gamers are responsible for all the sales of course they aren't. It is however a tad ignorant to label Vista's success in sales to companies ditching XP.
Ha i can guarentee at vista's launch there wasn't 40million Geforce 8800 sold. The only DX10 cards when vista launched. I have a DX10 card 8800 gts 640mb and I still dont have vista. So saying gamers ran out is a understatment.
Vista is hardly a flunk mate, it sold 40 million copies on release day. Games for Windows already has LoTRO, AoC and WAR and any other upcomming MMO will all be on the games for windows catalog. Vista in terms of performance is only just short of XP in it's current state, remember it took XP 6 years to get the way it is. It won't be long befor Vista surpasses XP with games embracing DX10 among other features.
Vista sold 40mill because manufactures of PC's got rid of xp and put vista on there line ups. i guarentee 40million people didnt go out and get vista.
It sold alot and comtinues to sell. Gamers understand that Vista is needed to play games on DX10, i have Vista and find it better than XP, VG was the only game that gave me problems with it. WoW 2 years old runs perfect on Vista, LoTRO brand new runs perfect (for me) on Vista. Most of my single player games run fine on it aswell. VG is the only game with a Vista compatible label that performs badly for me on it. Infact Vista doesn't even list VG in it's games section but it will list mostly any other game i install.
Vista didn't just sell 40 million copies because of companies ditching XP, Alot of gamers were going nuts for it because of DX10. I'm not saying that gamers are responsible for all the sales of course they aren't. It is however a tad ignorant to label Vista's success in sales to companies ditching XP.
Ha i can guarentee at vista's launch there wasn't 40million Geforce 8800 sold. The only DX10 cards when vista launched. I have a DX10 card 8800 gts 640mb and I still dont have vista. So saying gamers ran out is a understatment. Did you read the whole post i said ofcourse gamers aren't responsible for the 40 million copies being sold. They did however hype it alot for DX10 and i did get a 8800GTX and Vista and it's as good if not better than XP. It is ignorant to say that companies ditching XP in favour of Vista was the main reason for the high sales. On a side note just because there wasn't 40 million 8800's sold does not mean alot of gamers didn't get it, you know there were guys holding out for AMD/ATI's new card and bought the OS anyway.
well since your so smart you show me a computer building company that is still selling xp
Vista is hardly a flunk mate, it sold 40 million copies on release day. Games for Windows already has LoTRO, AoC and WAR and any other upcomming MMO will all be on the games for windows catalog. Vista in terms of performance is only just short of XP in it's current state, remember it took XP 6 years to get the way it is. It won't be long befor Vista surpasses XP with games embracing DX10 among other features.
Vista sold 40mill because manufactures of PC's got rid of xp and put vista on there line ups. i guarentee 40million people didnt go out and get vista.
It sold alot and comtinues to sell. Gamers understand that Vista is needed to play games on DX10, i have Vista and find it better than XP, VG was the only game that gave me problems with it. WoW 2 years old runs perfect on Vista, LoTRO brand new runs perfect (for me) on Vista. Most of my single player games run fine on it aswell. VG is the only game with a Vista compatible label that performs badly for me on it. Infact Vista doesn't even list VG in it's games section but it will list mostly any other game i install.
Vista didn't just sell 40 million copies because of companies ditching XP, Alot of gamers were going nuts for it because of DX10. I'm not saying that gamers are responsible for all the sales of course they aren't. It is however a tad ignorant to label Vista's success in sales to companies ditching XP.
Ha i can guarentee at vista's launch there wasn't 40million Geforce 8800 sold. The only DX10 cards when vista launched. I have a DX10 card 8800 gts 640mb and I still dont have vista. So saying gamers ran out is a understatment. Did you read the whole post i said ofcourse gamers aren't responsible for the 40 million copies being sold. They did however hype it alot for DX10 and i did get a 8800GTX and Vista and it's as good if not better than XP. It is ignorant to say that companies ditching XP in favour of Vista was the main reason for the high sales. On a side note just because there wasn't 40 million 8800's sold does not mean alot of gamers didn't get it, you know there were guys holding out for AMD/ATI's new card and bought the OS anyway.
well since your so smart you show me a computer building company that is still selling xp
Vista is hardly a flunk mate, it sold 40 million copies on release day. Games for Windows already has LoTRO, AoC and WAR and any other upcomming MMO will all be on the games for windows catalog. Vista in terms of performance is only just short of XP in it's current state, remember it took XP 6 years to get the way it is. It won't be long befor Vista surpasses XP with games embracing DX10 among other features.
Vista sold 40mill because manufactures of PC's got rid of xp and put vista on there line ups. i guarentee 40million people didnt go out and get vista.
It sold alot and comtinues to sell. Gamers understand that Vista is needed to play games on DX10, i have Vista and find it better than XP, VG was the only game that gave me problems with it. WoW 2 years old runs perfect on Vista, LoTRO brand new runs perfect (for me) on Vista. Most of my single player games run fine on it aswell. VG is the only game with a Vista compatible label that performs badly for me on it. Infact Vista doesn't even list VG in it's games section but it will list mostly any other game i install.
Vista didn't just sell 40 million copies because of companies ditching XP, Alot of gamers were going nuts for it because of DX10. I'm not saying that gamers are responsible for all the sales of course they aren't. It is however a tad ignorant to label Vista's success in sales to companies ditching XP.
Ha i can guarentee at vista's launch there wasn't 40million Geforce 8800 sold. The only DX10 cards when vista launched. I have a DX10 card 8800 gts 640mb and I still dont have vista. So saying gamers ran out is a understatment. Did you read the whole post i said ofcourse gamers aren't responsible for the 40 million copies being sold. They did however hype it alot for DX10 and i did get a 8800GTX and Vista and it's as good if not better than XP. It is ignorant to say that companies ditching XP in favour of Vista was the main reason for the high sales. On a side note just because there wasn't 40 million 8800's sold does not mean alot of gamers didn't get it, you know there were guys holding out for AMD/ATI's new card and bought the OS anyway.
well since your so smart you show me a computer building company that is still selling xp
and also i like how yall goto the weakest computer manufactur to see whos selling xp still. If your a gamer u dont order from dell PERIOD. and for you other yes here is still some in the US for dell PC's wit xp http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/winxp_dimen?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=anavml do i care no. Because either way it goes DELL IS STILL BUYING VISTA!!! shoot they prolly bought 30million copies. I want to know actual sells not OEM sells for vista. If you love vista fine whatever dont think though 40million people rushed out on release day to get vista thats ubsurd.
Its not really a example when there site is cluttered with vista promo's. you guyz were trying to be smart in denying the fact that computer manufactures are buying vista for there PC's, and believing 40million people bought vista vs a few million and companies building PC's buying in bulk. Yeah if you want to disect everything i said referancing to that issue then yes you are right. but if i goto any of there sites vista is there main os and u have to click on somthing saying want xp and its not in there main configs of computers.
I can appreciate what you're saying Urdig, but I can't fault Microsoft here.
If you come into a business meeting with a proposal, and they accept your proposal, and give you a budget, it's up to you to adjust your proposal accordingly. They knew they were getting 30 million. Did that mean they had to dumb down the game? Perhaps initially. Or they could have reduced the size of Telon; even some of the most avid fans dislike the absurdly long travel times.
Sigil and co. could have made 1 initial continent, with expansion packs to further expand the world. It's not unheard of in an MMORPG to have blocked off certain areas for future content implementation. However, as numerous others have said, they mismanaged their resources. Time, money, and personnel weren't allocated in the proper areas, and in my opinion, that's what ultimately led to this game's dismal performance.
Also, from the other thread, the fact there was only 1 QA tester is abhorrent. A glaring example of terrible, terrible management.
What if Sigil was promised more funding then they recieved though? Not saying they were, but I"m not convinced that MS openly told them they had 30 mil. What I think is they were promised more funding, then didn't recieve it when MS tightened the clamps on them.
I do agree that they could have taken measures to better spread thier budget to get more efficiency out of developement, but I could see how thinking you were going to get more could really screw you up if you get less.
Mcquaid did explain that while they only had one QA guy, they were expecting to use MS test facilities. To me that sounds like some of MS QA guys would assist. Dunno that though.
I think of it like this. How many attempts at producing an MMO has MS made, and how many have they released?
What if Sigil was promised more funding then they recieved though? Not saying they were, but I"m not convinced that MS openly told them they had 30 mil. What I think is they were promised more funding, then didn't recieve it when MS tightened the clamps on them. I do agree that they could have taken measures to better spread thier budget to get more efficiency out of developement, but I could see how thinking you were going to get more could really screw you up if you get less. Mcquaid did explain that while they only had one QA guy, they were expecting to use MS test facilities. To me that sounds like some of MS QA guys would assist. Dunno that though. I think of it like this. How many attempts at producing an MMO has MS made, and how many have they released? I hold MS and Sigil both responcible.
Asherons call, They published it before they let Turbine control every aspect of it after a few years.
Gold, you asked for an example of a PC builder that sells XP still.
You got one, and a major one at that, whatever your personal opinion of them is.
Grow up and accept you have been shown to be wrong with good humour, humility, and grace. Theres no weakness is admitting you arnt perfect and people tend to respect those that can more then those that can't. By continuing like this you just make yourself look like an arse and invalidate your posts entirely. I mean... who wants to debate with someone that is always 'right', no matter how much they are proven to be wrong?
Now, tell me more about your opinions regarding Europeans... I am interested in your views.
"I thought u guyz learnt by now NO ONE CARES ABOUT EUROPEANS. Yeah DELL ooohhh and its euro dell at that. who in america is ordering from EURO DELL..... ill let u think about it."
Come closer babecake. It could be interestin. Hard border between Europe+ Asia and US. Ofc without oil. Yup, americanos are not too clever. U words shows it perfect. Hope soon americanos will have chance to show their perfection. Noone cares roflin, who cares about US, u country dyin m8. Ill let u think about it.
Another point is this. If you have a vision of a game so grand in scope that it would cost more than 80 million to make, and you know from the beginning you only have $30 million to spend from your investor, you don't blame the investor! You either get a different investor from the beginning who can supply the needed funds, or failing that you adjust your vision to fit your budget. Sigil did neither.
I think that people just believed, and no one person knew exactly how difficult neigh impossible their task was. They did amazing things on what budget they had though. Chalk that up to the human spirit.
I seriously can't wait till September when I get my new video card and am actually able to play again though. Any predictions on what the game will be like after summer?
If they make an expansion before fixing the existing game then I'll be out on the Anti-SOE picket lines along with Shayde.
Anarchy dude - you are singing a different tune now, lost the payroll ?
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... The state of the game now is amazing. I don't get any hitching anymore, my quests ALL work, I could go on and on but you get the point. The game is looking fantastic! Those people who made a point of criticizing the state of the open beta really did help light a fire under the devs butts. I have never seen a game this much improved....ever. ...
EQ was a small game that grew big. Even so, it cost $8 million initially to make. WoW was a medium sized game that grew bigger. It cost over $80 million to make. With Vanguard, Sigil wanted everything to be HUGE. A much bigger world than most mmos had ever had. More classes. More races. More abilities. More systems. More photorealism. More of everything. Whatever the game feature or system was, Sigil wanted it bigger and better than anyone had seen before. Yet they only had $30 million to work with ... Now, if they had been managed well, and had stayed on target and seperated the wheat from the chaff, they could have done it. Evidence EVE Online. But they were not managed well; they did not stay on target; and they wasted a lot of their development money and could not meet their timelines or benchmarks. That meant that in order to deliver the game they envisioned, they needed a lot more money and a lot more time. But when Brad went looking for more money, it wasn't there. That left them no alternative but to have a fire sale of Sigil to SOE, and to rush the game out far short of what they envisioned. In many ways the course of this game tracks the course of Dark & Light, which made most of the same mistakes with most of the same results. The bottom line is, $30 million + lofty, impractical goals + poor management doomed this game from day 1.
I believe Brad packed his golden parachute with some of that money.
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Four more points. 1. If Sigil had used its 6 years and $30 million more constructively, and had shown any ability to set and meet goals on any kind of a timetable, it probably could have persuaded MS to invest more funds and give them more time. When you deal with an investor, you have to please that investor, not ignore their wishes altogether and then say "more money please." 2. It wasn't just MS who would not invest further. According to Brad, he spent 9 months pressing the flesh and making phone calls trying to get more funding, and could not raise a dime. What does that tell you? A lot of companies and a lot of investors looked this thing over, saw the same thing MS saw, and refused to invest for the same reasons. 3. If this game was intended for a wide audience, then Brad could have promoted it as a game with a huge potential for profitability, which would have enabled him to raise more money. But he elected to make it a niche game for harder core gamers, and that means only so many people can reasonably be expected to buy it. Once you put a cap like that on the ceiiling of profitability, you limit how much money it makes sense to put into the game. 4. Nothing compelled Brad to spend all $30 million. If he had been more frugal and judicious with that money, he would not have run out and needed more. It wasn't time that he ran out of. If he still had $10 million in the bank and said, MS I still have plenty of money to finish the game, but I need another 9 months, they would have agreed to that (since according to him they were more interested in other projects anyway). But he asked for more time AND more money. That was where the wheels came off.
Im going to have to disagree. With MMO's you make your money back so fast its insane. With the 200K people that bought it. (me one of em) If it would of been a completed title would of had its money back within 6 months. 10million from launch and 3million each month after if they kept a 200k playerbase. Those numbers alone validate funding. They just shifted priorities because thats microsoft. They gave up the mmo world with AC so they feel they know MMO's and AC didnt cost that much to fund. Brad only went to the darkside once he couldnt get the funding for his game. As any human would do. Fend for yourself and thats what he did and thats how it ended. Money is root of all EVIL in this business and brad is guilty of that. So IMO he is no christian because of this act.
In a world filled with unicorns and house-trained puppies all games are pure profit on release. Which is good, because that's the world where your analysis is based. Nobody shifted priorities, the game flat out sucked at release as it did through all phases of beta.
Hopefully, it will get better now. But, I'm not holding my breath.
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For me it's when it gets to the point that you can "mount a unicorn", then I feel the need to back off. If that means I'm just too straight and hard to play Vanguard then so be it, but unicorns? Even my sister thinks riding on one of those in an MMO is a bit non-hetro, although she is thirty years old and a lawyer!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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Four more points.
1. If Sigil had used its 6 years and $30 million more constructively, and had shown any ability to set and meet goals on any kind of a timetable, it probably could have persuaded MS to invest more funds and give them more time. When you deal with an investor, you have to please that investor, not ignore their wishes altogether and then say "more money please."
2. It wasn't just MS who would not invest further. According to Brad, he spent 9 months pressing the flesh and making phone calls trying to get more funding, and could not raise a dime. What does that tell you? A lot of companies and a lot of investors looked this thing over, saw the same thing MS saw, and refused to invest for the same reasons.
3. If this game was intended for a wide audience, then Brad could have promoted it as a game with a huge potential for profitability, which would have enabled him to raise more money. But he elected to make it a niche game for harder core gamers, and that means only so many people can reasonably be expected to buy it. Once you put a cap like that on the ceiiling of profitability, you limit how much money it makes sense to put into the game.
4. Nothing compelled Brad to spend all $30 million. If he had been more frugal and judicious with that money, he would not have run out and needed more. It wasn't time that he ran out of. If he still had $10 million in the bank and said, MS I still have plenty of money to finish the game, but I need another 9 months, they would have agreed to that (since according to him they were more interested in other projects anyway). But he asked for more time AND more money. That was where the wheels came off.
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For me it's when it gets to the point that you can "mount a unicorn", then I feel the need to back off. If that means I'm just too straight and hard to play Vanguard then so be it, but unicorns? Even my sister thinks riding on one of those in an MMO is a bit non-hetro, although she is thirty years old and a lawyer!
Yep I dont know anything about the game and don't wish too simply because it looks worse than pokemon. I just don't understand how anybody could think this was gona be good let alone 3rd gen, or why people bought this game. I saw the screen of a fox headed man killing a fox in my pc gamer mag and knew this was a load of bollocks.
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It sold alot and comtinues to sell. Gamers understand that Vista is needed to play games on DX10, i have Vista and find it better than XP, VG was the only game that gave me problems with it. WoW 2 years old runs perfect on Vista, LoTRO brand new runs perfect (for me) on Vista. Most of my single player games run fine on it aswell. VG is the only game with a Vista compatible label that performs badly for me on it. Infact Vista doesn't even list VG in it's games section but it will list mostly any other game i install.
Vista didn't just sell 40 million copies because of companies ditching XP, Alot of gamers were going nuts for it because of DX10. I'm not saying that gamers are responsible for all the sales of course they aren't. It is however a tad ignorant to label Vista's success in sales to companies ditching XP.
Ha i can guarentee at vista's launch there wasn't 40million Geforce 8800 sold. The only DX10 cards when vista launched. I have a DX10 card 8800 gts 640mb and I still dont have vista. So saying gamers ran out is a understatment.
It sold alot and comtinues to sell. Gamers understand that Vista is needed to play games on DX10, i have Vista and find it better than XP, VG was the only game that gave me problems with it. WoW 2 years old runs perfect on Vista, LoTRO brand new runs perfect (for me) on Vista. Most of my single player games run fine on it aswell. VG is the only game with a Vista compatible label that performs badly for me on it. Infact Vista doesn't even list VG in it's games section but it will list mostly any other game i install.
Vista didn't just sell 40 million copies because of companies ditching XP, Alot of gamers were going nuts for it because of DX10. I'm not saying that gamers are responsible for all the sales of course they aren't. It is however a tad ignorant to label Vista's success in sales to companies ditching XP.
Ha i can guarentee at vista's launch there wasn't 40million Geforce 8800 sold. The only DX10 cards when vista launched. I have a DX10 card 8800 gts 640mb and I still dont have vista. So saying gamers ran out is a understatment. Did you read the whole post i said ofcourse gamers aren't responsible for the 40 million copies being sold. They did however hype it alot for DX10 and i did get a 8800GTX and Vista and it's as good if not better than XP. It is ignorant to say that companies ditching XP in favour of Vista was the main reason for the high sales. On a side note just because there wasn't 40 million 8800's sold does not mean alot of gamers didn't get it, you know there were guys holding out for AMD/ATI's new card and bought the OS anyway.
well since your so smart you show me a computer building company that is still selling xp
It sold alot and comtinues to sell. Gamers understand that Vista is needed to play games on DX10, i have Vista and find it better than XP, VG was the only game that gave me problems with it. WoW 2 years old runs perfect on Vista, LoTRO brand new runs perfect (for me) on Vista. Most of my single player games run fine on it aswell. VG is the only game with a Vista compatible label that performs badly for me on it. Infact Vista doesn't even list VG in it's games section but it will list mostly any other game i install.
Vista didn't just sell 40 million copies because of companies ditching XP, Alot of gamers were going nuts for it because of DX10. I'm not saying that gamers are responsible for all the sales of course they aren't. It is however a tad ignorant to label Vista's success in sales to companies ditching XP.
Ha i can guarentee at vista's launch there wasn't 40million Geforce 8800 sold. The only DX10 cards when vista launched. I have a DX10 card 8800 gts 640mb and I still dont have vista. So saying gamers ran out is a understatment. Did you read the whole post i said ofcourse gamers aren't responsible for the 40 million copies being sold. They did however hype it alot for DX10 and i did get a 8800GTX and Vista and it's as good if not better than XP. It is ignorant to say that companies ditching XP in favour of Vista was the main reason for the high sales. On a side note just because there wasn't 40 million 8800's sold does not mean alot of gamers didn't get it, you know there were guys holding out for AMD/ATI's new card and bought the OS anyway.
well since your so smart you show me a computer building company that is still selling xp
DELL sells XP (http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=se&cs=sedhs1&kc=D4XXPS01&l=sv&oc=D05XP2105XP&rbc=D05XP2105XP&s=dhs&sbc=sedhsftdppdesktop1)
It sold alot and comtinues to sell. Gamers understand that Vista is needed to play games on DX10, i have Vista and find it better than XP, VG was the only game that gave me problems with it. WoW 2 years old runs perfect on Vista, LoTRO brand new runs perfect (for me) on Vista. Most of my single player games run fine on it aswell. VG is the only game with a Vista compatible label that performs badly for me on it. Infact Vista doesn't even list VG in it's games section but it will list mostly any other game i install.
Vista didn't just sell 40 million copies because of companies ditching XP, Alot of gamers were going nuts for it because of DX10. I'm not saying that gamers are responsible for all the sales of course they aren't. It is however a tad ignorant to label Vista's success in sales to companies ditching XP.
Ha i can guarentee at vista's launch there wasn't 40million Geforce 8800 sold. The only DX10 cards when vista launched. I have a DX10 card 8800 gts 640mb and I still dont have vista. So saying gamers ran out is a understatment. Did you read the whole post i said ofcourse gamers aren't responsible for the 40 million copies being sold. They did however hype it alot for DX10 and i did get a 8800GTX and Vista and it's as good if not better than XP. It is ignorant to say that companies ditching XP in favour of Vista was the main reason for the high sales. On a side note just because there wasn't 40 million 8800's sold does not mean alot of gamers didn't get it, you know there were guys holding out for AMD/ATI's new card and bought the OS anyway.
well since your so smart you show me a computer building company that is still selling xp
DELL sells XP (http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=se&cs=sedhs1&kc=D4XXPS01&l=sv&oc=D05XP2105XP&rbc=D05XP2105XP&s=dhs&sbc=sedhsftdppdesktop1)i thought u guyz learnt by now NO ONE CARES ABOUT EUROPEANS. Yeah DELL ooohhh and its euro dell at that. who in america is ordering from EURO DELL..... ill let u think about it.
What if Sigil was promised more funding then they recieved though? Not saying they were, but I"m not convinced that MS openly told them they had 30 mil. What I think is they were promised more funding, then didn't recieve it when MS tightened the clamps on them.
I do agree that they could have taken measures to better spread thier budget to get more efficiency out of developement, but I could see how thinking you were going to get more could really screw you up if you get less.
Mcquaid did explain that while they only had one QA guy, they were expecting to use MS test facilities. To me that sounds like some of MS QA guys would assist. Dunno that though.
I think of it like this. How many attempts at producing an MMO has MS made, and how many have they released?
I hold MS and Sigil both responcible.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Gold, you asked for an example of a PC builder that sells XP still.
You got one, and a major one at that, whatever your personal opinion of them is.
Grow up and accept you have been shown to be wrong with good humour, humility, and grace. Theres no weakness is admitting you arnt perfect and people tend to respect those that can more then those that can't. By continuing like this you just make yourself look like an arse and invalidate your posts entirely. I mean... who wants to debate with someone that is always 'right', no matter how much they are proven to be wrong?
Now, tell me more about your opinions regarding Europeans... I am interested in your views.
Come closer babecake. It could be interestin. Hard border between Europe+ Asia and US. Ofc without oil. Yup, americanos are not too clever. U words shows it perfect. Hope soon americanos will have chance to show their perfection. Noone cares roflin, who cares about US, u country dyin m8. Ill let u think about it.
I think that people just believed, and no one person knew exactly how difficult neigh impossible their task was. They did amazing things on what budget they had though. Chalk that up to the human spirit.
I seriously can't wait till September when I get my new video card and am actually able to play again though. Any predictions on what the game will be like after summer?
If they make an expansion before fixing the existing game then I'll be out on the Anti-SOE picket lines along with Shayde.
Anarchy dude - you are singing a different tune now, lost the payroll ?The Old Timers Guild
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In a world filled with unicorns and house-trained puppies all games are pure profit on release. Which is good, because that's the world where your analysis is based. Nobody shifted priorities, the game flat out sucked at release as it did through all phases of beta.
Hopefully, it will get better now. But, I'm not holding my breath.