Exactly. The quests really are the same. Yes, they for the most part fit into the world lore, but Middle-Earth shouldn't feel like those other worlds. It's older, more perfectly concieved, more elegant. It is the fantasy world all other worlds strive to be like. And it doesn't live up to this.
Okay, Berndr, I don't know much more explicit I can be on this. Tolkien is a name. It is his name, and that is how it is spelled. You are not allowed to change the spelling of his name. Anyone who knows anything knows this. And anyone who knows anything about Tolkien knows that is how you spell his name. He was British and he spoke English; you have to do it his way.
I did look at those sites, and half of them have the name Tolkien and Tolkin both, and several other linguistic derivation of Tolkien, but that doesn't change that fact that his name is Tolkien. Especially since you are on an English-speaking website talking to English -speaking people, and Tolkien spoke English himself, you should respect the English spelling of the name. And for that matter, anyone who thinks they get to change his name because they are using a different language is an idiot.
The same goes for Michelangelo. That's a name. You don't get to decide how it's spelled, and depending on who you mean you could be right or wrong. If you mean the Italian, you are wrong. If you mean the Angel, you are neither wrong nor right because his name doesn't actually use the Western alphabet, and people will transliterate it differently, but I still think transliterating names is wrong.
I am done posting here, Berndr. You obviously know nothing about Tolkien, or really language or history in general, so arguing with you is a fruitless task. Take my assistance or don't; I couldn't care less. I have tried to explain to you the truth.
And for the record, just as a final bit of help, the word you are looking for is "fan," not "fun.' Fun is a totally different word.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
again you make me laugh , you judge my knowledge on Tolkien , by my comment on game where i talk about non Tolkien part of the game and non -epic quest that you just agreed with me , are the same as in wow and other games ...
from the start you keep contadicting yourself , and trying to insult
so how come ? if i dont even talk about him or of any book details , can you judge how much I know ..........
well yes i should have not typed (Tolkin ) in english forum ,,,,, even though thats whats he is called in other part of the world
well i just told you i did read all his books , he was part of my childhood and growin up ,so why do you keep saying to me ?what i do or not know !!!
I was reading it , when you did not even know your own name and your mum was changing your napies ....
so stop then saying i dont know anything about Him , you just make yourself sound like a teenager ....yea but no but Vicky Pollard
its like me keep saying to you , you did not register in this forum , when its obvious you did ,or even worst saying you dont know anything about world war 1 , where in fact i dont know ,anything about you to make a such comment
but we dont have to have the same opinion , opinion and knowledge are two diferent things
I am sure that Labor party in uk does not say to conservatives you dont know anythig about politics just because they have diferent point of view
Most of your opinions on game are ok , telling me that Tolkien was english and comes from oxford , well every idiot knows that , it does not make you a living enciklopedia , you judge people you dont know based on your imagination , and how they speak their third language .......well thats bad
and back to that not knowing the history , Please do not try your American knowledge on me ,
Whole world knows how poor is you education over there , where here in Europe we cant even finish secondary education , if we don’t know every single big Artist from Mozart to Monty , from Picasso to Renoir , and read all world biggest writers from Tolstoy, to Dickens and all the way to Gustave Flauberts' Madame Bovary
Which okay, the first hit is referring to J.R.R., but the website is down. I think the next hit might have something to do with him and his work, but it's posted by some guy on some forum..not official at all.
Then we have several hits on this guy named Michael Tolkin, not sure who he is.
The first hit is a link to Wikipedia and offers an explaination of who Tolkien is in GERMAN. All the other hits after that on the first page are clearly about Tolkien.
So I'm not sure if you're trying to BS us, but it's pretty clear "the rest of the world" knows Tolkien (which is his name, not a word that is changed through languages) as Tolkien. For every German site that refers to Tolkien as "Tolkin" I can give you 3 sites that refer him as "Tolkien".
That's just like saying, President Bush or Hitler is known as Boosh and Heetlar to the rest of the world, just doesn't make any sense.
And it doesn't matter if you know who Tolkien is, that doesn't justify at ALL what you think about the game, since somebody mentioned earlier Turbine only has the right to 20% of the books.
Your lack of knowledge in the English language doesn't help you either. I stopped reading your post about 3 lines in because I could barely understand you, and your use of punctuation is just all over the place, so I would stop if I were you before you embarrass yourself any further.
Leodious I do apologise that i made a typo misstake and typed his name , the way its spelled in my own language , if that insult you and hurts you so much ,,,,,,,sorry again
You made a whole page just on subject of spelling Tolkiens name even when I just agreed , Tolkien is his english and corect spelling ,,,,, but why cant your sad heart accept that some nations do say Tolkin here .......!!!! look at the writing on the book ... http://www.yu4you.com/items/sr/knjiga/item_1441.html I do apologise that i made a typo misstake and typed his name , the way its spelled in my own language , if that insult you and hurts you so much ,,,,,,,sorry again
I think you completely missed my point. I used to the German Goggle to show you the rest of the world (including Germany) knows Tolkien as Tolkien, not Tolkin; I don't care about your spelling mistake.
Ok, you gave me one site, I'll give you three.
Unlike your sources, I'll give you 3 well-known websites.
I don't think I need to post anymore examples for I have made my point. Get over it, you're wrong.
And no, it doesn't insult me you misspelled Tolkien, I wouldn't care if you spelled it Tookhim, you just think you can tell us what "the rest of the world" refers to Tolkien as JUST because you are German. You don't speak for millions and millions of people.
Lol Are you really suggesting, that he is called Tolkin? If you ever had read any of his books, you should know that it is J. R. R. Tolkien in every western country I know off. Btw : I'm german
Are you suggesting this guy is lying, Berndr? A fellow German like yourself, how come you've only replied to what I posted, and not him? Don't be so ignorant to pick and choose your arguments.
Well I still dont know what are you about ???// and whats your issue
do you have a problem in your family ??????
for all it was i misspeled , and someone made a big issue about it ,,
and i try to say sorry , and that is how we spell, and thats the reason i spelled it that way ,,,, and i can tell you half of english people cant even spell in their own language ,been there seen it
so just get over it
sorry in which part do i say i am german , i know that every single slavic language including russian spells Tolkin , and why is that so strange to you that i got confused and typed it the way its typed in my mothers language, and i also thought that german did spell that same way too, but I was wrong , I made a misstake , it does not change the fact , that it is the way we spell it ...
link is there for the printed book
and before you reply again put you binoculars on, and read the name on the book
Well I still dont know what are you about ???// and whats your issue do you have a problem in your family ?????? for all it was i misspeled , and someone made a big issue about it ,, and i try to say sorry , and that is how we spell, and thats the reason i spelled it that way ,,,, and i can tell you half of english people cant even spell in their own language ,been there seen it so just get over it sorry in which part do i say i am german , i know that every single slavic language including russian spells Tolkin , and i thought german did too but made a misstake , it does not change the fact , that it is spelled like that in most of the world ,,,, link is there for the printed book
I wouldn't care if you spelled it Tookhim, you just think you can tell us what "the rest of the world" refers to Tolkien as JUST because you are German
I just cant believe that it all started from an inocence typo , just because I spelled Tolkien the way , it is spelled in a my own languge ,
And when i tried to explain it , Why I made that error for because it was how we spelled it ...
whole thing went out of proportion
But anyway , Leodious i do appologise for all i said ,did not mean it , just felt I was being under zenofobic attack
Jeez.. don't let your fanboyness get in the way of allowing others to have their own opinions and speak freely.
Crawling all over other people's posts, their opinions, in forums is trolling, these days. Back a few years, the term "trolling", when applied to message boards, was taken from the term "trolling" used in fishing. That is to say, wandering thru a message board for threads and posts with information you were hoping to find, pertinent to some topic of importance to you, for whatever reason. This usage of "trolling" wasn't a bad thing, it meant someone was putting forth some extra effort to find information buried in the millions of threads and posts of thousands of forums. These days, we just hope Google finds what we're "trolling" for...
Then there's flaming, which was a term used to describe when someone replied negatively, in an outspoken, denigrating way, to someone else's opinions or ideas on a message board. Then the flamer, if his position wasn't appreciated, was then flamed in return. Now, whole threads are dedicated to flaming a particular subject or event.
Somewhere along the way, "trolling", in message board terms, was adapted, incorrectly in my opinion, to it's current usage. This usage seems to refer to "trolls" who, mythically speaking, were generally unfriendly toward everything "non-troll", and were looked upon unkindly by the general population. So now, you call someone who bashes your opinion on a thread a "troll".
But, "fanboy" is still the most applicable term relating to this whole thread. A fanboy of LotRO doesn't like what a fanboy of EQ2 has to say about LotRO... happens all the time. One fanboy wouldn't admit the relevance of any derogatory comment about the game he's fanboyish about, regardless of it's basis in fact. The failure to be less opinionated, and more fact-based, causes the resultant post to be useless, for anything except humor.
It's a fact that LotRO has some really nice features. The scenery is very well done, graphically speaking, if the player's computer has the hardware needed to display it well. The story, or lore, jumps on the player at the beginning, then falls off somewhat, until it seems the player has to work at making what he's doing relate to some part of the TOLKIEN story. For some, it's enough that they call the land "Middle Earth" and have the towns and regions named after towns and regions from TOLKIEN's stories. Some of the class abilities are noteworthy, for instance the bard's ability to cause damage to foes simply by playing a musical instrument which you can both see and hear. Sunrise, sunset, night time, the sky at night, flora and fauna, all are very nice touches in LotRO.
However, LotRO has some other "features" that are not quite as nice. The player character looks odd, the movements are odd, the hair is odd, the "skinny-to-obese" slider feature is odd. ( I admit, it was probably intended to be "skinny-to-muscular", but with most characters, that doesn't happen.) Questing is, for some of the more experienced MMORPGers, a bit shallow, and the proclivity of many newer games to "help" the player by putting unfantasy-like floating icons over NPC's heads to indicate what function that NPC performs, takes away from the "atmosphere" many purists would like the game to generate.
EQ2 has some really nice features. The scenery is very well done, graphically speaking, if the player's computer has the hardware needed to display it well. The story line for characters to immerse themselves in is both original and engaging. You don't have to be a roleplayer in EQ2 to follow the story and keep your character engaged in the story. Character appearance customization in EQ2 starts off very well, as good as any MMORPG, better than most. Some players don't like the newer set of Player Character models, especially the gnome, whose nose was given steroids while the rest of the gnome wasn't, but the player has the ability to noticeably adjust their character's appearance. EQ2 has all those races, and all those classes, to mix and match, within the guidelines of "good and evil" which are not as distinct as they once were, but still quite well defined. A wizard in EQ2 is truly a wizard. An assassin really is someone you don't turn your back on in EQ2, if you know what's good for you.
EQ2 has some features that might be considered less enjoyable. The graphics of some areas, cities especially, are over the top, and challenge even high end computer hardware if the player attempts to force his hardware to render the graphics at the highest settings. Performance issues such as drastic reduction in framerate in some locations isn't unusual for mediocre hardware. Most people seem to be able to balance their settings out to make the game run well and look pretty darn good at the same time. Solo vs group content has always been an issue, and altho SOE "addresses" this issue in each and every Game Update and Expansion, many players find it frustrating if they're unable to find a group for some of the quests they'd like to accomlish, and some of the content they'd like to experience. Of course, this problem extends to virtually every MMORPG, with developer's intentions of creating a MMO role playing game, with emphasis on "massively multiplayer" being construed as "many players playing together", rather than "many players playing alone, at the same time, on the same server world, within sight of each other".
So... fanboyishness aside, an honest, open-minded look at each game reveals that they're alike in some ways, and far different in other ways. It reveals that each game has some very good points, and some issues which might frustrate some people. Differences of play-style, computer hardware, experience level in MMORPGs, even age, cause players to develop different views of games, and of each other. However, it's apparent that bullheaded opinionatedness is only conducive to derogatory rejoinders, which beget narrowminded kneejerk responses, resulting in mindless inanity.
That's my extensively experienced 2 cents worth.
Kalmenicus was right, and MMORPG.com knows it.
Jaymenicus
p.s. Why in the world would anyone get into the asinine argument and thread-highjacking discussion of the spelling of Tolkien? Are you two guys... ? Nevermind, you obviously are...
1) Jaymenicus: I refuse to read your post, as it is in garish, large yellow type, and more annoying than any troll post.
2) Berndr: Tolkien says this regarding his name -- "My name is TOLKIEN (not - kein). It is a German name (from Saxony), it is an anglicization of Tollkiehn..." [from Letter 165 to Houghton Mifflin Co., dated June 5, 1955].
Now if Tolkien, who was a world renowned linguist, says that the name Tolkien is an anglicization of the German Tollkiehn, you really have nothing more to say regarding how it is spelled in German. It may be spelled Tolkin in Slavic, but Slavic languages do not necessarily correspond with German. Wash, rinse, repeat as many times as necessary.
"I really like many of the ideas in the game, but the lore just feels wrong. They seemed to have kept most of the letter (save things they created based on passing mentions of things) of the lore, but not the spirit. It doesn't feel like Middle Earth."
This really expresses my view on the game as well. After so much time waiting and being fed that lore would be one of the most important aspects of the game; I think they failed to deliver it.
The storyline may be engaging, but many many quests aren't (by many I mean most of them).
One quest that got to me and I memorized was an elfish guy who told me he was leaving Middle Earth and wanted me to go pick up a leaf in the forest for him to remember Middle Earth. When I read that, I just remember saying "WTF?! Go pick the leaf yourself you lazy sod". The english used in this quest, and in many others (as well as conversations) seemed rather childish and not engaging. It wasn't highly polished and immersive as I was expecting (specially from elfs who are supposed to be wise and have a certain peculiar way of talking or simply conveying thoughts with feelings or "telepathy").
If anything, the people I encountered who had elvish characters, made a much better job at RP elvish culture than most elvish NPCs.
So, the spirit of Middle Earth wasn't present as Leodious said.
And just to say that also in Portugal, the man is called Tolkien; there are no pseudo-translations.
The name is TOLKIEN, the slavic "Tolkin" most probably comes due to differences in the alphabet (cyrillic). That, however is only true for slavic languages that use the cyrillic (Serbian, Bulgarian, Russian, etc)., but not for Polish, Croatian, Czech, etc...
BTW, slavic forms of foreign person's names should only be used in slavic text - on an english forum, definitely NOT.
Otherwise, I love the game and I hate trolls ) I love the lore as well but am not an extreme fan of it (so much that i convince myself not to like this game only because of the nuance differences from the lore - I personally think that is quite a stupid thing!)
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
1) Jaymenicus: I refuse to read your post, as it is in garish, large yellow type, and more annoying than any troll post. 2) Berndr: Tolkien says this regarding his name -- "My name is TOLKIEN (not - kein). It is a German name (from Saxony), it is an anglicization of Tollkiehn..." [from Letter 165 to Houghton Mifflin Co., dated June 5, 1955]. Now if Tolkien, who was a world renowned linguist, says that the name Tolkien is an anglicization of the German Tollkiehn, you really have nothing more to say regarding how it is spelled in German. It may be spelled Tolkin in Slavic, but Slavic languages do not necessarily correspond with German. Wash, rinse, repeat as many times as necessary.
Good, whine about whatever you want, refuse to read whatever you want.... and then remove the 'thor' from your name, leaving a completely accurate description of yourself.
It's lacking things the other big guys have and the envelopment of trying to immerse yourself into this Fantasy is lacking over the other big guys like EQ2 or even Vanguard.
If this was true it would be quite an achievement. After this I didn't beleive a thing in the review, just as well really because after playing LOTRO and finding it not too bad but not great but certainly NOT deserving of this review!
I wouldn't get too upset, this game got many, many other reviews and lets face it theres no journalistic integrity anymore when anyone ("professionals" included) reviews a game.
I don't listen to people who judge a game after just a week. I remember in Wow I didn't like it the first couple of days because I didn't read the manual and didn't know how to play. I really liked the game though once i learned how to play. I just bought Lotro. I am hoping its as good as reviews say it is.
1) Jaymenicus: I refuse to read your post, as it is in garish, large yellow type, and more annoying than any troll post. 2) Berndr: Tolkien says this regarding his name -- "My name is TOLKIEN (not - kein). It is a German name (from Saxony), it is an anglicization of Tollkiehn..." [from Letter 165 to Houghton Mifflin Co., dated June 5, 1955]. Now if Tolkien, who was a world renowned linguist, says that the name Tolkien is an anglicization of the German Tollkiehn, you really have nothing more to say regarding how it is spelled in German. It may be spelled Tolkin in Slavic, but Slavic languages do not necessarily correspond with German. Wash, rinse, repeat as many times as necessary.
Good, whine about whatever you want, refuse to read whatever you want.... and then remove the 'thor' from your name, leaving a completely accurate description of yourself.
My, that's mature, particularly for someone who attempted to type his magnum opus against trolling in fluorescent, oversized fonts. Please take your big yellow crayon and a coloring book and go play in another room. The adults wish to have a discussion. Oh, and do try to color inside the lines.
P.S. I'll discuss whatever subject I wish, thanks. I don't require a 'by your leave' from you, princess.
Jaymenicus: It's sad, but I have to agree with most of what you said. Your history is right, and it would please me if more of the children that play in these forums knew stuff like that. I am just so sick of the idea of cloned games I could spit nails. But then, the entire web is consumed with ad hominem attacks and childish slang now. No one respects the idea of open-minded debate anymore. As soon as you post anything that disagrees with someone else, you suddenly hate them and want to make them look stupid. No one wishes to have a discussion about anything in any sort of intellectual way. It's sickening, but that is what forums have come to. When I see someone who can actually post something intelligent and thorough, I have to commend them for it. I would ask that in the future you stick to the default font, however. It showed up as a nice aquamarine for me, so I was okay, but people do tend to disregard posts with different fonts and schemes like that. I do think I realize that you were trying to get it seen by people so they might be quiet for a second and listen, but that didnt seem to work.
Berndr: I know, I know; I said I wouldnt say anything else to you, but you really got under my skin with that angry attack on me earlier. I was away on business and couldnt get on the internet until now, but I feel I do need to say something. Firstly, just because I say that I live in Virginia doesnt mean I grew up there or used the United States educational system. I may have, but then, I may have grown up in South Africa. You have no idea. I told you I spoke Spanish and German, so maybe I, too, am from Germany, and moved there for some reason (you know, there was this big thing there a while back that caused many people to move). Or maybe I was born there, but my family is from somewhere else. And you also cannot have any idea how old I am, so telling me you were reading it when I was in nappies is just plain silly. I could very well have read it the year it was published; how could you know? I could be twice your age, or you could have been reading Tolkien before I was even born at all. Or, we could be exactly the same age, and I could have lied about my location, and I could be your next-door neighbour in London. I could go to work with you everyday. Light, I could be your boss, or your underling, or anything. I could be a sixty-five-year-old woman who lives in Inchcleraun. How in the bloody blazes can you know!? You dont seem to be too well-educated yourself, to talk about the United States educational system. You dont use proper English punctuation, and while I am still not sure where you are from that you wouldnt know how to spell Tolkien even though apparently you live in the United Kingdom, you do not even manage to use the same set of grammatical rules through any of your posts, nor do you use the same spellings of words. In addition, many of your statements about the stories and characters, and even global concepts, are very obviously wrong. I am unsure why you continue to post after you have proven yourself wrong, and other people have proven how wrong you are also. I am not too proud to say that I continue to post because you make me angry and I want you to admit how totally and completely wrong you are, and how arrogant you were to think you know anything about me, or how the rest of the world does anything at all.
As for the game itself, the reason I do not like it is quite because I am such a huge fan of Tolkien. You might refer to me as rabid, though I would probably take offence to that. I have read everything from The Hobbit to The Silmarillion to The Adventures of Tom Bombadil. I even read The Black Book of Arda, though I think it is ridiculous and goes totally against Tolkien. I love the world of Middle-Earth, and I dont think LOTRO feels like it. It doesnt feel right to me. Yes, the game is fun but it is, I think, *too much* like other games and not enough like LOTR. Im not certain I made sense just there, but that is the core of my complaints against the game. I am not saying other people shouldnt play it or that it is not a good game; on the contrary, it is well-polished and well-executed. The quests all have a good flow and guide you only as much as you feel you need to be guided from one place to another. I think antoniuspius hit the nail on the head with his comment about Turbines rights to the Intellectual Property. I dont like that thats the case, but it certainly explains the was the game feels I dont know, empty.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Like it or not but the post he cited lacks in nearly every department.
To those able to judge a game after one week playing I'd say: Hey, kudos! I at least cannot as I didn't see nor experienced enough of it yet. If you understood the whole system, seen the world, experienced the community and and and... after one week, alright fine. But be it as it might be. Then talking about taking the lore and underlying work and to develop it further, shows a complete lack of knowledge on how the IP is handled and who owns it nowadays. They won't allow it, simple as that.
Other than that my comprehension of the English language fails me on some of the sentences used in the post cited.
If a game cannot hook me within a week's worth of playing I think I have every right to say I don't like it.
Like it or not but the post he cited lacks in nearly every department.
To those able to judge a game after one week playing I'd say: Hey, kudos! I at least cannot as I didn't see nor experienced enough of it yet. If you understood the whole system, seen the world, experienced the community and and and... after one week, alright fine. But be it as it might be. Then talking about taking the lore and underlying work and to develop it further, shows a complete lack of knowledge on how the IP is handled and who owns it nowadays. They won't allow it, simple as that.
Other than that my comprehension of the English language fails me on some of the sentences used in the post cited.
If a game cannot hook me within a week's worth of playing I think I have every right to say I don't like it.
Dear Ted of course you can say it , if my 5 years old daughter can say, that she does not like the food ,she has not even tasted yet ,I cant see the reason why cant you say , that you dont like the game you barely played ,....
well move on and good luck to you with whatever other game out there
Ok then, all the text in light blue is what you have said to me ,, be your own Judge
I realized that you don't know anything about Tolkien, and as such have no authority to talk about the lore. I love all of Tolien's stuff, but I can't seem to get into the game.
I am done posting here, Berndr. You obviously know nothing about Tolkien, or really language or history in general, so arguing with you is a fruitless task. Take my assistance or don't; I couldn't care less. I have tried to explain to you the truth.
And for the record, just as a final bit of help, the word you are looking for is "fan," not "fun.' Fun is a totally different word.
You don’t seem to be too well-educated yourself, to talk about the United States’ educational system. You don’t use proper English punctuation, and while I am still not sure where you are from that you wouldn’t know how to spell Tolkien even though apparently you live in the United Kingdom,
You made a whole page just on subject of spelling Tolkiens name even when I just did agree with you , Tolkien is his English ,and correct spelling ,,,,,
but why cant your sad heart accept that some nations do say Tolkin
here .......!!!! look at the writing on the book ...
Leodious I do apologise that i made a typo mistake and typed his name , the way its spelled in my own language , if that insult you and hurts you so much ,,,,,,,sorry again
you do not even manage to use the same set of grammatical rules through any of your posts, nor do you use the same spellings of words. In addition, many of your statements about the stories and characters, and even global concepts, are very obviously wrong.
Well I did say I am not English, and what’s so strange in that ,but I don’t think we could have this conversation , if you could not understand me ,, but anyway sorry for my bad spelling ,, sadly I am dyslexic and cant spell to save my own life , well that should not be the excuse for not using the spell check
I am unsure why you continue to post after you have proven yourself wrong, and other people have proven how wrong you are also.
Well, you keep saying it , but keep failing to reference the facts where according to you I am obviously wrong …
The Name thing I don’t count,
firstly I already did agreed and explained that you are right there ,, but you have to accept that in Russia which is 1.8 % bigger then USA 150 mil of people spell it Tolkin ,,, well it might be wrong, and I also think its wrong , but that’s how they spell it and you will just have to live with it ,I have even givenen you the link to the printed book, in fact I agree that spelling of his name should not have been changed,,, but some countries have phonetics spelling and they cant use the English one , for the pronunciation is more important to them then writing ,, for an instance Japan or Arabs they cant possibly use English Spelling ….. But because my spelling is so close to English sometimes I get confused, ….
All I did try was to explain why I did that Mistake, not to tell you how you should spell it …….
I am not too proud to say that I continue to post because you make me angry and I want you to admit how totally and completely wrong you are, and how arrogant you were to think you know anything about me, or how the rest of the world does anything at all.
Leodious I do apologise that i made a typo misstake and typed his name , the way its spelled in my own language , if that insult you and hurts you so much ,,,,,,,sorry again
So stop then saying I don’t know anything about Him , you just make yourself sound like a teenager ....yea but no but Vicky Pollard
Its like me keep saying to you, you did not register in this forum, when its obvious you did, or even worst saying you don’t know anything about world war 1 , where in fact I don’t know ,anything about you to make a such comment
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Well I did post that thing in red ,that was very rude of me, and I should not have said it , I am embarast and sorry for that ,,,, But if you reed your post you will see that you attacked me first with this and things above " You obviously know nothing about Tolkien, or really language or history in general "you obviously were not an angel yourself
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and back to that not knowing the history , Please do not try your American knowledge on me , Whole world knows how poor is you education over there , where here in Europe we cant even finish secondary education , if we don’t know every single big Artist from Mozart to Monty , Picasso to Renoir , and read all world biggest writers from Tolstoy to Dickens, and all the way to Gustave Flauberts' Madame Bovary
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Once more here is my previous post
But anyway, Leodious i do apologise for all i said, did not mean it, just felt I was being under xenophobic attack
Sorry once more and have a nice day and enjoy whatever you play
1) Jaymenicus: I refuse to read your post, as it is in garish, large yellow type, and more annoying than any troll post. 2) Berndr: Tolkien says this regarding his name -- "My name is TOLKIEN (not - kein). It is a German name (from Saxony), it is an anglicization of Tollkiehn..." [from Letter 165 to Houghton Mifflin Co., dated June 5, 1955]. Now if Tolkien, who was a world renowned linguist, says that the name Tolkien is an anglicization of the German Tollkiehn, you really have nothing more to say regarding how it is spelled in German. It may be spelled Tolkin in Slavic, but Slavic languages do not necessarily correspond with German. Wash, rinse, repeat as many times as necessary.
Good, whine about whatever you want, refuse to read whatever you want.... and then remove the 'thor' from your name, leaving a completely accurate description of yourself.
My, that's mature, particularly for someone who attempted to type his magnum opus against trolling in fluorescent, oversized fonts. Please take your big yellow crayon and a coloring book and go play in another room. The adults wish to have a discussion. Oh, and do try to color inside the lines.
P.S. I'll discuss whatever subject I wish, thanks. I don't require a 'by your leave' from you, princess.
Maybe this is more to your liking, whiner. And yes, I was giving you your leave to continue whining about whatever you want to whine about. It's Mor****on FTW!
No, you can't disguise your lack of true intellect by the pointless use of big words and Latin terms. That's too easy to laugh at anyway. And bringing out the "maturity" goad is pretty freaking childish in it's own right, but it's the first defense of the indefensible. ROFLMAO
Jaymenicus the Far More Mature
Kalmenicus set MMORPG.com straight, and he could teach Mor****on a thing or two, too.
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Exactly. The quests really are the same. Yes, they for the most part fit into the world lore, but Middle-Earth shouldn't feel like those other worlds. It's older, more perfectly concieved, more elegant. It is the fantasy world all other worlds strive to be like. And it doesn't live up to this.
Okay, Berndr, I don't know much more explicit I can be on this. Tolkien is a name. It is his name, and that is how it is spelled. You are not allowed to change the spelling of his name. Anyone who knows anything knows this. And anyone who knows anything about Tolkien knows that is how you spell his name. He was British and he spoke English; you have to do it his way.
I did look at those sites, and half of them have the name Tolkien and Tolkin both, and several other linguistic derivation of Tolkien, but that doesn't change that fact that his name is Tolkien. Especially since you are on an English-speaking website talking to English -speaking people, and Tolkien spoke English himself, you should respect the English spelling of the name. And for that matter, anyone who thinks they get to change his name because they are using a different language is an idiot.
The same goes for Michelangelo. That's a name. You don't get to decide how it's spelled, and depending on who you mean you could be right or wrong. If you mean the Italian, you are wrong. If you mean the Angel, you are neither wrong nor right because his name doesn't actually use the Western alphabet, and people will transliterate it differently, but I still think transliterating names is wrong.
I am done posting here, Berndr. You obviously know nothing about Tolkien, or really language or history in general, so arguing with you is a fruitless task. Take my assistance or don't; I couldn't care less. I have tried to explain to you the truth.
And for the record, just as a final bit of help, the word you are looking for is "fan," not "fun.' Fun is a totally different word.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
I am done posting here, Berndr. You obviously know nothing about Tolkien, or really language or history in general
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again you make me laugh , you judge my knowledge on Tolkien , by my comment on game where i talk about non Tolkien part of the game and non -epic quest that you just agreed with me , are the same as in wow and other games ...
from the start you keep contadicting yourself , and trying to insult
so how come ? if i dont even talk about him or of any book details , can you judge how much I know ..........
well yes i should have not typed (Tolkin ) in english forum ,,,,, even though thats whats he is called in other part of the world
well i just told you i did read all his books , he was part of my childhood and growin up ,so why do you keep saying to me ?what i do or not know !!!
I was reading it , when you did not even know your own name and your mum was changing your napies ....
so stop then saying i dont know anything about Him , you just make yourself sound like a teenager ....yea but no but Vicky Pollard
its like me keep saying to you , you did not register in this forum , when its obvious you did ,or even worst saying you dont know anything about world war 1 , where in fact i dont know ,anything about you to make a such comment
but we dont have to have the same opinion , opinion and knowledge are two diferent things
I am sure that Labor party in uk does not say to conservatives you dont know anythig about politics just because they have diferent point of view
Most of your opinions on game are ok , telling me that Tolkien was english and comes from oxford , well every idiot knows that , it does not make you a living enciklopedia , you judge people you dont know based on your imagination , and how they speak their third language .......well thats bad
Whole world knows how poor is you education over there , where here in Europe we cant even finish secondary education , if we don’t know every single big Artist from Mozart to Monty , from Picasso to Renoir , and read all world biggest writers from Tolstoy, to Dickens and all the way to Gustave Flauberts' Madame Bovary
These are the results for Tolkin:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=tolkin&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=
Which okay, the first hit is referring to J.R.R., but the website is down. I think the next hit might have something to do with him and his work, but it's posted by some guy on some forum..not official at all.
Then we have several hits on this guy named Michael Tolkin, not sure who he is.
But this is the results for Tolkien:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=tolkien&btnG=Suche&meta=
The first hit is a link to Wikipedia and offers an explaination of who Tolkien is in GERMAN. All the other hits after that on the first page are clearly about Tolkien.
So I'm not sure if you're trying to BS us, but it's pretty clear "the rest of the world" knows Tolkien (which is his name, not a word that is changed through languages) as Tolkien. For every German site that refers to Tolkien as "Tolkin" I can give you 3 sites that refer him as "Tolkien".
That's just like saying, President Bush or Hitler is known as Boosh and Heetlar to the rest of the world, just doesn't make any sense.
And it doesn't matter if you know who Tolkien is, that doesn't justify at ALL what you think about the game, since somebody mentioned earlier Turbine only has the right to 20% of the books.
Your lack of knowledge in the English language doesn't help you either. I stopped reading your post about 3 lines in because I could barely understand you, and your use of punctuation is just all over the place, so I would stop if I were you before you embarrass yourself any further.
-Vin
Are you really suggesting, that he is called Tolkin?
If you ever had read any of his books, you should know that it is J. R. R. Tolkien in every western country I know off.
Btw : I'm german
You made a whole page just on subject of spelling Tolkiens name even when I just agreed , Tolkien is his english and corect spelling ,,,,,
but why cant your sad heart accept that some nations do say Tolkin
here .......!!!! look at the writing on the book ...
http://www.yu4you.com/items/sr/knjiga/item_1441.html
http://www.alnari.co.yu/images/izdanja/tolkin.jpg
Leodious I do apologise that i made a typo misstake and typed his name , the way its spelled in my own language , if that insult you and hurts you so much ,,,,,,,sorry again
Ok, you gave me one site, I'll give you three.
Unlike your sources, I'll give you 3 well-known websites.
Here's Ebay Germany:
http://cgi.ebay.de/J-R-R-TOLKIEN-HERR-DER-RINGE-DIE-GEFAHRTEN-16-CD-SET_W0QQitemZ160118552437QQihZ006QQcategoryZ7803QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
This is Yahoo Germany Shopping:
http://shopping.yahoo.de/ctl/do/search?siteSearchQuery=tolkien&fromform=true&x=0&y=0
(There's about a million examples there)
And here is Amazon.de
http://amazon.de/s/ref=nb_ss_w/028-7362953-2910103?__mk_de_DE=%C5M%C5Z%D5%D1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=tolkien&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go
I don't think I need to post anymore examples for I have made my point. Get over it, you're wrong.
And no, it doesn't insult me you misspelled Tolkien, I wouldn't care if you spelled it Tookhim, you just think you can tell us what "the rest of the world" refers to Tolkien as JUST because you are German. You don't speak for millions and millions of people.
-Vin
-Vin
Well I still dont know what are you about ???// and whats your issue
do you have a problem in your family ??????
for all it was i misspeled , and someone made a big issue about it ,,
and i try to say sorry , and that is how we spell, and thats the reason i spelled it that way ,,,, and i can tell you half of english people cant even spell in their own language ,been there seen it
so just get over it
sorry in which part do i say i am german , i know that every single slavic language including russian spells Tolkin , and why is that so strange to you that i got confused and typed it the way its typed in my mothers language, and i also thought that german did spell that same way too, but I was wrong , I made a misstake , it does not change the fact , that it is the way we spell it ...
link is there for the printed book
and before you reply again put you binoculars on, and read the name on the book
http://www.yu4you.com/items/sr/knjiga/item_1441.html
-Vin
Good because it stunk of zenofibia
particulary this part
I wouldn't care if you spelled it Tookhim, you just think you can tell us what "the rest of the world" refers to Tolkien as JUST because you are German
I just cant believe that it all started from an inocence typo , just because I spelled Tolkien the way , it is spelled in a my own languge ,
And when i tried to explain it , Why I made that error for because it was how we spelled it ...
whole thing went out of proportion
But anyway , Leodious i do appologise for all i said ,did not mean it , just felt I was being under zenofobic attack
Jeez.. don't let your fanboyness get in the way of allowing others to have their own opinions and speak freely.
Crawling all over other people's posts, their opinions, in forums is trolling, these days. Back a few years, the term "trolling", when applied to message boards, was taken from the term "trolling" used in fishing. That is to say, wandering thru a message board for threads and posts with information you were hoping to find, pertinent to some topic of importance to you, for whatever reason. This usage of "trolling" wasn't a bad thing, it meant someone was putting forth some extra effort to find information buried in the millions of threads and posts of thousands of forums. These days, we just hope Google finds what we're "trolling" for...
Then there's flaming, which was a term used to describe when someone replied negatively, in an outspoken, denigrating way, to someone else's opinions or ideas on a message board. Then the flamer, if his position wasn't appreciated, was then flamed in return. Now, whole threads are dedicated to flaming a particular subject or event.
Somewhere along the way, "trolling", in message board terms, was adapted, incorrectly in my opinion, to it's current usage. This usage seems to refer to "trolls" who, mythically speaking, were generally unfriendly toward everything "non-troll", and were looked upon unkindly by the general population. So now, you call someone who bashes your opinion on a thread a "troll".
But, "fanboy" is still the most applicable term relating to this whole thread. A fanboy of LotRO doesn't like what a fanboy of EQ2 has to say about LotRO... happens all the time. One fanboy wouldn't admit the relevance of any derogatory comment about the game he's fanboyish about, regardless of it's basis in fact. The failure to be less opinionated, and more fact-based, causes the resultant post to be useless, for anything except humor.
It's a fact that LotRO has some really nice features. The scenery is very well done, graphically speaking, if the player's computer has the hardware needed to display it well. The story, or lore, jumps on the player at the beginning, then falls off somewhat, until it seems the player has to work at making what he's doing relate to some part of the TOLKIEN story. For some, it's enough that they call the land "Middle Earth" and have the towns and regions named after towns and regions from TOLKIEN's stories. Some of the class abilities are noteworthy, for instance the bard's ability to cause damage to foes simply by playing a musical instrument which you can both see and hear. Sunrise, sunset, night time, the sky at night, flora and fauna, all are very nice touches in LotRO.
However, LotRO has some other "features" that are not quite as nice. The player character looks odd, the movements are odd, the hair is odd, the "skinny-to-obese" slider feature is odd. ( I admit, it was probably intended to be "skinny-to-muscular", but with most characters, that doesn't happen.) Questing is, for some of the more experienced MMORPGers, a bit shallow, and the proclivity of many newer games to "help" the player by putting unfantasy-like floating icons over NPC's heads to indicate what function that NPC performs, takes away from the "atmosphere" many purists would like the game to generate.
EQ2 has some really nice features. The scenery is very well done, graphically speaking, if the player's computer has the hardware needed to display it well. The story line for characters to immerse themselves in is both original and engaging. You don't have to be a roleplayer in EQ2 to follow the story and keep your character engaged in the story. Character appearance customization in EQ2 starts off very well, as good as any MMORPG, better than most. Some players don't like the newer set of Player Character models, especially the gnome, whose nose was given steroids while the rest of the gnome wasn't, but the player has the ability to noticeably adjust their character's appearance. EQ2 has all those races, and all those classes, to mix and match, within the guidelines of "good and evil" which are not as distinct as they once were, but still quite well defined. A wizard in EQ2 is truly a wizard. An assassin really is someone you don't turn your back on in EQ2, if you know what's good for you.
EQ2 has some features that might be considered less enjoyable. The graphics of some areas, cities especially, are over the top, and challenge even high end computer hardware if the player attempts to force his hardware to render the graphics at the highest settings. Performance issues such as drastic reduction in framerate in some locations isn't unusual for mediocre hardware. Most people seem to be able to balance their settings out to make the game run well and look pretty darn good at the same time. Solo vs group content has always been an issue, and altho SOE "addresses" this issue in each and every Game Update and Expansion, many players find it frustrating if they're unable to find a group for some of the quests they'd like to accomlish, and some of the content they'd like to experience. Of course, this problem extends to virtually every MMORPG, with developer's intentions of creating a MMO role playing game, with emphasis on "massively multiplayer" being construed as "many players playing together", rather than "many players playing alone, at the same time, on the same server world, within sight of each other".
So... fanboyishness aside, an honest, open-minded look at each game reveals that they're alike in some ways, and far different in other ways. It reveals that each game has some very good points, and some issues which might frustrate some people. Differences of play-style, computer hardware, experience level in MMORPGs, even age, cause players to develop different views of games, and of each other. However, it's apparent that bullheaded opinionatedness is only conducive to derogatory rejoinders, which beget narrowminded kneejerk responses, resulting in mindless inanity.
That's my extensively experienced 2 cents worth.
Kalmenicus was right, and MMORPG.com knows it.
Jaymenicus
p.s. Why in the world would anyone get into the asinine argument and thread-highjacking discussion of the spelling of Tolkien? Are you two guys... ? Nevermind, you obviously are...
1) Jaymenicus: I refuse to read your post, as it is in garish, large yellow type, and more annoying than any troll post.
2) Berndr: Tolkien says this regarding his name -- "My name is TOLKIEN (not - kein). It is a German name (from Saxony), it is an anglicization of Tollkiehn..." [from Letter 165 to Houghton Mifflin Co., dated June 5, 1955].
Now if Tolkien, who was a world renowned linguist, says that the name Tolkien is an anglicization of the German Tollkiehn, you really have nothing more to say regarding how it is spelled in German. It may be spelled Tolkin in Slavic, but Slavic languages do not necessarily correspond with German. Wash, rinse, repeat as many times as necessary.
Morthoron the Moriquendi
The storyline may be engaging, but many many quests aren't (by many I mean most of them).
One quest that got to me and I memorized was an elfish guy who told me he was leaving Middle Earth and wanted me to go pick up a leaf in the forest for him to remember Middle Earth. When I read that, I just remember saying "WTF?! Go pick the leaf yourself you lazy sod". The english used in this quest, and in many others (as well as conversations) seemed rather childish and not engaging. It wasn't highly polished and immersive as I was expecting (specially from elfs who are supposed to be wise and have a certain peculiar way of talking or simply conveying thoughts with feelings or "telepathy").
If anything, the people I encountered who had elvish characters, made a much better job at RP elvish culture than most elvish NPCs.
So, the spirit of Middle Earth wasn't present as Leodious said.
And just to say that also in Portugal, the man is called Tolkien; there are no pseudo-translations.
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The name is TOLKIEN, the slavic "Tolkin" most probably comes due to differences in the alphabet (cyrillic). That, however is only true for slavic languages that use the cyrillic (Serbian, Bulgarian, Russian, etc)., but not for Polish, Croatian, Czech, etc...
BTW, slavic forms of foreign person's names should only be used in slavic text - on an english forum, definitely NOT.
Otherwise, I love the game and I hate trolls
) I love the lore as well but am not an extreme fan of it (so much that i convince myself not to like this game only because of the nuance differences from the lore - I personally think that is quite a stupid thing!)
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Good, whine about whatever you want, refuse to read whatever you want.... and then remove the 'thor' from your name, leaving a completely accurate description of yourself.
I wouldn't get too upset, this game got many, many other reviews and lets face it theres no journalistic integrity anymore when anyone ("professionals" included) reviews a game.
Edit : I mean vanguard in the first paragraph
Good, whine about whatever you want, refuse to read whatever you want.... and then remove the 'thor' from your name, leaving a completely accurate description of yourself.
My, that's mature, particularly for someone who attempted to type his magnum opus against trolling in fluorescent, oversized fonts. Please take your big yellow crayon and a coloring book and go play in another room. The adults wish to have a discussion. Oh, and do try to color inside the lines.
P.S. I'll discuss whatever subject I wish, thanks. I don't require a 'by your leave' from you, princess.
Morthoron the Moriquendi
Everytime someone say that they don't agree or think a game is bad, then they become a troll.
"suckin' too hard on ya lollipop, oh love's gonna get ya down..."
Mika - Lolipop.
Jaymenicus: It's sad, but I have to agree with most of what you said. Your history is right, and it would please me if more of the children that play in these forums knew stuff like that. I am just so sick of the idea of cloned games I could spit nails. But then, the entire web is consumed with ad hominem attacks and childish slang now. No one respects the idea of open-minded debate anymore. As soon as you post anything that disagrees with someone else, you suddenly hate them and want to make them look stupid. No one wishes to have a discussion about anything in any sort of intellectual way. It's sickening, but that is what forums have come to. When I see someone who can actually post something intelligent and thorough, I have to commend them for it. I would ask that in the future you stick to the default font, however. It showed up as a nice aquamarine for me, so I was okay, but people do tend to disregard posts with different fonts and schemes like that. I do think I realize that you were trying to get it seen by people so they might be quiet for a second and listen, but that didnt seem to work.
Berndr: I know, I know; I said I wouldnt say anything else to you, but you really got under my skin with that angry attack on me earlier. I was away on business and couldnt get on the internet until now, but I feel I do need to say something. Firstly, just because I say that I live in Virginia doesnt mean I grew up there or used the United States educational system. I may have, but then, I may have grown up in South Africa. You have no idea. I told you I spoke Spanish and German, so maybe I, too, am from Germany, and moved there for some reason (you know, there was this big thing there a while back that caused many people to move). Or maybe I was born there, but my family is from somewhere else. And you also cannot have any idea how old I am, so telling me you were reading it when I was in nappies is just plain silly. I could very well have read it the year it was published; how could you know? I could be twice your age, or you could have been reading Tolkien before I was even born at all. Or, we could be exactly the same age, and I could have lied about my location, and I could be your next-door neighbour in London. I could go to work with you everyday. Light, I could be your boss, or your underling, or anything. I could be a sixty-five-year-old woman who lives in Inchcleraun. How in the bloody blazes can you know!?
You dont seem to be too well-educated yourself, to talk about the United States educational system. You dont use proper English punctuation, and while I am still not sure where you are from that you wouldnt know how to spell Tolkien even though apparently you live in the United Kingdom, you do not even manage to use the same set of grammatical rules through any of your posts, nor do you use the same spellings of words. In addition, many of your statements about the stories and characters, and even global concepts, are very obviously wrong. I am unsure why you continue to post after you have proven yourself wrong, and other people have proven how wrong you are also. I am not too proud to say that I continue to post because you make me angry and I want you to admit how totally and completely wrong you are, and how arrogant you were to think you know anything about me, or how the rest of the world does anything at all.
As for the game itself, the reason I do not like it is quite because I am such a huge fan of Tolkien. You might refer to me as rabid, though I would probably take offence to that. I have read everything from The Hobbit to The Silmarillion to The Adventures of Tom Bombadil. I even read The Black Book of Arda, though I think it is ridiculous and goes totally against Tolkien. I love the world of Middle-Earth, and I dont think LOTRO feels like it. It doesnt feel right to me. Yes, the game is fun but it is, I think, *too much* like other games and not enough like LOTR. Im not certain I made sense just there, but that is the core of my complaints against the game. I am not saying other people shouldnt play it or that it is not a good game; on the contrary, it is well-polished and well-executed. The quests all have a good flow and guide you only as much as you feel you need to be guided from one place to another. I think antoniuspius hit the nail on the head with his comment about Turbines rights to the Intellectual Property. I dont like that thats the case, but it certainly explains the was the game feels I dont know, empty.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
If a game cannot hook me within a week's worth of playing I think I have every right to say I don't like it.
That's just simple logic.....
If a game cannot hook me within a week's worth of playing I think I have every right to say I don't like it.
That's just simple logic.....
Ted
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Dear Ted of course you can say it , if my 5 years old daughter can say, that she does not like the food ,she has not even tasted yet ,I cant see the reason why cant you say , that you dont like the game you barely played ,....
well move on and good luck to you with whatever other game out there
Everytime someone say that they don't agree or think a game is bad, then they become a troll.
"suckin' too hard on ya lollipop, oh love's gonna get ya down..."
Mika - Lolipop.
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Well I guess that msg is for me , I started this thread ,,,,,,
No you got it wrong ,,,,,,,
You dont have to agree and you dont have to like it ,,, all you have to do is explain yourself ,
good post is :
game sucks because of that and that ,
but if you only post "this game sucks " then you are troll
Good, whine about whatever you want, refuse to read whatever you want.... and then remove the 'thor' from your name, leaving a completely accurate description of yourself.
My, that's mature, particularly for someone who attempted to type his magnum opus against trolling in fluorescent, oversized fonts. Please take your big yellow crayon and a coloring book and go play in another room. The adults wish to have a discussion. Oh, and do try to color inside the lines.
P.S. I'll discuss whatever subject I wish, thanks. I don't require a 'by your leave' from you, princess.
Maybe this is more to your liking, whiner. And yes, I was giving you your leave to continue whining about whatever you want to whine about. It's Mor****on FTW!
No, you can't disguise your lack of true intellect by the pointless use of big words and Latin terms.
That's too easy to laugh at anyway. And bringing out the "maturity" goad is pretty freaking childish in it's own right, but it's the first defense of the indefensible. ROFLMAO
Jaymenicus the Far More Mature
Kalmenicus set MMORPG.com straight, and he could teach Mor****on a thing or two, too.