Originally posted by automaniac Originally posted by CleffyII Originally posted by ShneakyOne I will attempt to decipher what you just said... This game is going to be better than WAR and AoC....Well, other than the fact that I can't name any MMORPG made by Koreans that does better in BOTH America and Korea... and that the controls in MMO's done by Koreans are practically unplayable... and that it's going to be a game pretty much dedicated to PvE and trying to go up against the two most anticipated MMORPG's that are dedicated to PvP... Other than those reasons... I think you are right </sarcasm>
Lineage 1 & 2. The most successful mmo behind wow. More users in US then any US made game aside from WoW. OMG its amazing how little you know, especially because Granado Espada has more meaningful PVP then AoC and WAR. Thank you! Finally somone who really knows MMO's and the history and facts behind them. No need to playa hate right away guys!
Complete and utter fabrication. L1 and L2 never were major players in the US.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
My take on this is that as the mmo industry as a whole matures the lines between asian targeted and western targeted games will start to blur and people will get to enjoy the varieity of both styles of gaming.
GE is ok at best for me. 1st, I HATE point-n-click movements, come on this is the 21st century we have the ability to code for WASD. I know the 3 man team might make that cluncky so that's why they did it. I admire them for making something new, but it take's a fair amount of time to learn what you are doing and how to do it, at a basic level.
Really now... GE will get no where near the numbers of WAR or AoC alone, not even combined. The only point-n-click game I will play are RTS games, D1/2, and L2 <- only MMORPG.
On another note, looks mean absolutely nothing. If content is the best ever but looks like old school EQ or DAoC I will play it (frankly I like that look).
I tried the game myself and couldn't get into it. It seems any Asian MMO I've tried so far I can't get into. Most of them involve a great deal of grinding. That's just not my type of game. I'm also not a huge PvP person so theres another strike for me. Perhaps it will be popular, but I don't think it will be more popular then either of those two games.
The game is complete trash. What is up with the ability to control 3 people now? This game and Sword of the New World are doing that now. Is this supposed to be some innovative thing to get me to play? Sounds more like ways to make these games more retarded.
Well as long as the combat is fun I dont care if all it is happens to be grinding, anyways lineage 2 is a horrible game why would you play that and not granados espada? Sounds like most of you havent even tried the game..
And tell me what games better than this, controlling 3 people gives you 3x as much to do compared to any other games out there in which you can literally play while watching tv since you arent doing crap all but clicking the next enemy and slapping the keyboard a few times. Silk road, lineage 2, all of them have 3x less to control and about 10x less enemies to fight against at once.
I also tried the game as well, for the first time, than deleted it, than a couple of weeks later decided to give it another go, installed again, but does not hold my interests at all, the game is a grind fest, and I kinda wished I only controlled one char at a time, the 3 char thing seems a nice concept, but not enough to hold a veteran player's interest.
I also tried the game as well, for the first time, than deleted it, than a couple of weeks later decided to give it another go, installed again, but does not hold my interests at all, the game is a grind fest, and I kinda wished I only controlled one char at a time, the 3 char thing seems a nice concept, but not enough to hold a veteran player's interest.
Not everyone can hold their interest through role playing alone, a lot of other "veteran" players want a game with a bit of interaction in which a single character cant currently suffice. Really I dont role play at all so I have nothing to do between slapping the f1 key in those other games you seasoned veterans obviously play.
sorry if i seem like im defending this game to much, its just a helluva lot better than any of the games that are out right now in my opinion. I just get sooooo bored in the other games fighting a bunch of single enemy running around and not even being able to dodge or aim; if im not dodging or aiming what the heck am I doing? Im not pretending to be frodo thats for sure...
If you like the game continue to play it. It just seems a lot of people agree that it's unlikely it will be more popular then either of those trwo games for many reasons that have been pointed out. Controlling 3 characters at once is nice, but I could just go play Baldur's Gate 2 with six characters and a more interesting story IMO. WASD movement is a more comfortable way to move around in a MMO type of game for me. Games that don't offer a lot of quests likely wont hold my interest very long. There isn't much in the way of customizing your character at the moment. I believe Warhammer and Conan will offer much more. I'd even play LOTRO over Granada Espada.
The game is complete trash. What is up with the ability to control 3 people now? This game and Sword of the New World are doing that now. Is this supposed to be some innovative thing to get me to play? Sounds more like ways to make these games more retarded.
I think your confused. GE and SofNW are the same exact game, just different publishers.
This game is okay but I wouldn't classify it as great. I have played it and it get's boring after a few days. You start off with 3 characters which I actually like. The problem comes from a few things. However the main ones are, there is a lack of customization via armor and there is an auto-bot function. Everyone is the same in game right now, I'm not sure if it's because everyone is low level or what exactly. The auto-bot function is the biggest problem though. I haven't talked to one person since I have played the game. There is no community in it because everyone is AFK, whether it be just watching the TV or asleep. They still don't respond to anything. It really sucks when you can't really make friends because there is no one there.
The good parts of the game are the fighting. I know most people say it's straight grinding but then we really have to ask ourselves what do we consider grinding? Anyone can do the same thing over and over and call it grinding, so then there is grinding in the game but if you change the spells your using to fit the right moment is it truely grinding? I don't believe so, I think it matters on the player. There are plenty of places to train in game and not bad spots either. Most of the place is crawling with monsters. There is also a lot of characters/classes. You start with 5 initially and then you acquire NPC Cards, so then you can make that character. (I have heard of 5 NPC cards right now however I'm not sure how many are actually in game.)
It's still in beta and I have heard the American version has gotten rid of the Bot so I can't wait to play that one and see the differences.
The game is complete trash. What is up with the ability to control 3 people now? This game and Sword of the New World are doing that now. Is this supposed to be some innovative thing to get me to play? Sounds more like ways to make these games more retarded.
LOL! Dude GE and Sword of the New World are the same exact game. Do research man! You are taking out of your behind bro. This game has great graphics and sound track but the system is the same with all asian mmo's...GRINDING!!!! Asian is just full of copycats and copydogs!
I'm going to give it a shot even though I dont really think I could ever get into a korean mmo, the feel to them is just too unusual for me I guess. I really like the 3 character idea though, depending on how its done.
The game is complete trash. What is up with the ability to control 3 people now? This game and Sword of the New World are doing that now. Is this supposed to be some innovative thing to get me to play? Sounds more like ways to make these games more retarded.
Personally, I think it adds a lot of depth. It's like playing a Final Fantasy game, whereas other MMOs are like playing a Final Fantasy game with only one character...
I like the fact it'll require a lot more micro, and you have to choose and develop your party wisely.
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Played the game a week, it is just pure grid fest with excelent graphics. No character customation at all, no other game play than combat. A lot of AFK levelers and boters. Good game? I don't think so.
To say it will challenge AoC and Warhammer is just... not very well thought through. Conan will eat up and spit out this point and click grindfest in about 2 days.
I dont think WAR and AoC have anything to worry about. If GE kills anything, maybe it will kill RF Online because GE > RFO in every possible way. As Korean grindfests go haha.
That said, I'm playing on Open Beta and having a great time. GE is somewhat less of an MMO and more of some weird Diablo 2 hybrid on crack. You can eventually have up to 36 character slots (you start out with 5), there're 5 classes and more than 20 recruitable NPCs, all very different from one another. And each class and NPC has their own skill trees to level up (there're some overlaps of course). You make a team of 3 and head of to dungeons where the mobs come at you in WAVES. Very hack-n-slash, and the PNC movement (ugh) just helps reinforce the feeling.
As Korean MMOs go, personally I think GE is the best, they've managed to innovate while still managing to be a grinding game at heart (LOL). However since I actually find the grinding rather enjoyable, thats cool with me. (Since you have a team of 3 you can take on mob 5 levels over you, just be careful.) However K2 Networks = THE SUCK, subscribe at your own risk, so I'll prolly keep on playing the Singapore version and not the NA one.
I don''t really know when Humankind will die out but i''m guessing about 6 years before WOW. -BarCrow
Granado Espada has great graphics, gameplay, system, sound effects and soundtrack. Granado Espada will make Age of Conan and Warhammer Online run for its money! I think Korean's know how to make the best looking MMO's bar none!
i played the korean version and eu version, there are just minor things that changed.
And overall i give the game a rating of 5/10 . i dont care if a game cost 100million to produce as long as it has the same old elements like every other mmo krean grind game.
U can play with 3 chars , but is it then really a mmorpg? i mean in a mmorpg u choose a special role to party, but there u can have everyone and everything -feels like u play a bad offline rpg!
grando espawho??? Think what you want about this game it is NEVER going to be a WAR and/or AoC. [that being said under the assumption either or those companies don't hire brad mctool and his vanguard crew]. I am sure lots are having fun playing grandblahblahblah, but it will never appeal to the whole gaming community like WAR will, AoC more niche IMO. Isn't this the game with the ability to control 3 toons at one time and afk grind your way in levels?? Sounds lame to me. Graphics look good i'll give it that and I will not argue it will be an entertaining game, but no long term staying power here. I'll try anything and i think i'll take a pass on this one.
I downloaded the beta a few weeks ago, created an account and then found out the servers weren't up for another couple of weeks - d'oh. Then i kinda forgot about it... I'll give it a try but I don't hold much hope out for it tbh. The movement looks awkward, point and click for more than one char always leaves one of them stuck on a rock somewhere far away :P
Plus i was getting really ticked off the the music in that video, so called "great soundtracks".
To OP...youve got to be kidding, its like the victorian era online.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes" Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
Ah...too much hate for the Asian mmo's in here. Why do you guys hate Asian mmo's so much? The lack of WASD?
Asian games are lower budget. Because of this it causes them to be inferior to big budget titles.
there is only a very few asian games actually.. most of other are custom copies of succeful ones ( Lineage series and MUD for the most part). The majors games have a large budget bigger than games such AoC.
They have less content.
people might not like games like lineage2 but saying a games designed arround pvp ( not metion the flaws here such grind etc only content)) have less content is being pretty ignorant if you ask me
You have to grind longer in Asian games to see what content there is.
Really ? how long to get to top lvl in EQ1 back then ? how long to get to top lvl in games like SWG and AO back then ? AOC ? those nowdays are easy specially with high lvl helps but what if you start from scrath ? because if you want to compare grind then you need to compare with games that are about the same age.
Sub par movement animations.
Impossible upgrade paths for weapons in the game so that you end up loosing most of your gear trying to upgrade it.
How is that a bad point ?
Fewer types of mobs to fight against. You usually end up fighting the same model with a different name later in the game.
how different are most of the games ? its all the same everywhere pretty much.
Usually have graphics that do not look as nice because Asian games target lower spec systems to play on.
wrong, again if you want to compare dont take the free games as exemple.. those are copies with low bufget.. ther is no design research behind. You like manga style or you dont but thee design of games like lineage are jsut terrific.
Usually use old out of date middleware and game engines that do not require expensive licensing fees.
like lineage using UT engine 4 years ago and AION ( next major NCSOFT title) using FARCRY engine ?
They are usually lame potion spamming games.
So you try a empty game such RFO and ARchlord and you make it as a general statment ?
And yes, point and click games are annoying.
Diablo was p&c as far as i remmember.. didnt bother players though. i dont mind both WASD and P&C
As for the main tpoic, GE is wayy too empty of serious content to be a majr title.. the grafics of lands and avatars are very beautifull ( assuming you liek that style) but there is not enough customisation of you're familys wich is a MAJOR flaw for US/euro markets.
IF there is a promising game coming soon that will probably seriously compet with AoC ( still i have hard time trusting FUNCOM for that one) and WARHAMMER its AION.. least NCSOFT is trying to release a game more on the US/EURO way to play ( read less grind, morecustomisation, more content than usual) and aiming directly to compet with WoW.
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Thank you! Finally somone who really knows MMO's and the history and facts behind them. No need to playa hate right away guys!
Complete and utter fabrication. L1 and L2 never were major players in the US.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Really now... GE will get no where near the numbers of WAR or AoC alone, not even combined. The only point-n-click game I will play are RTS games, D1/2, and L2 <- only MMORPG.
On another note, looks mean absolutely nothing. If content is the best ever but looks like old school EQ or DAoC I will play it (frankly I like that look).
And tell me what games better than this, controlling 3 people gives you 3x as much to do compared to any other games out there in which you can literally play while watching tv since you arent doing crap all but clicking the next enemy and slapping the keyboard a few times. Silk road, lineage 2, all of them have 3x less to control and about 10x less enemies to fight against at once.
They have less content.
You have to grind longer in Asian games to see what content there is.
Sub par movement animations.
Impossible upgrade paths for weapons in the game so that you end up loosing most of your gear trying to upgrade it.
Fewer types of mobs to fight against. You usually end up fighting the same model with a different name later in the game.
Usually have graphics that do not look as nice because Asian games target lower spec systems to play on.
Usually use old out of date middleware and game engines that do not require expensive licensing fees.
They are usually lame potion spamming games.
And yes, point and click games are annoying.
Not everyone can hold their interest through role playing alone, a lot of other "veteran" players want a game with a bit of interaction in which a single character cant currently suffice. Really I dont role play at all so I have nothing to do between slapping the f1 key in those other games you seasoned veterans obviously play.
sorry if i seem like im defending this game to much, its just a helluva lot better than any of the games that are out right now in my opinion. I just get sooooo bored in the other games fighting a bunch of single enemy running around and not even being able to dodge or aim; if im not dodging or aiming what the heck am I doing?
This game is okay but I wouldn't classify it as great. I have played it and it get's boring after a few days. You start off with 3 characters which I actually like. The problem comes from a few things. However the main ones are, there is a lack of customization via armor and there is an auto-bot function. Everyone is the same in game right now, I'm not sure if it's because everyone is low level or what exactly. The auto-bot function is the biggest problem though. I haven't talked to one person since I have played the game. There is no community in it because everyone is AFK, whether it be just watching the TV or asleep. They still don't respond to anything. It really sucks when you can't really make friends because there is no one there.
The good parts of the game are the fighting. I know most people say it's straight grinding but then we really have to ask ourselves what do we consider grinding? Anyone can do the same thing over and over and call it grinding, so then there is grinding in the game but if you change the spells your using to fit the right moment is it truely grinding? I don't believe so, I think it matters on the player. There are plenty of places to train in game and not bad spots either. Most of the place is crawling with monsters. There is also a lot of characters/classes. You start with 5 initially and then you acquire NPC Cards, so then you can make that character. (I have heard of 5 NPC cards right now however I'm not sure how many are actually in game.)
It's still in beta and I have heard the American version has gotten rid of the Bot so I can't wait to play that one and see the differences.
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I like the fact it'll require a lot more micro, and you have to choose and develop your party wisely.
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To say it will challenge AoC and Warhammer is just... not very well thought through. Conan will eat up and spit out this point and click grindfest in about 2 days.
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I dont think WAR and AoC have anything to worry about. If GE kills anything, maybe it will kill RF Online because GE > RFO in every possible way. As Korean grindfests go haha.
That said, I'm playing on Open Beta and having a great time. GE is somewhat less of an MMO and more of some weird Diablo 2 hybrid on crack. You can eventually have up to 36 character slots (you start out with 5), there're 5 classes and more than 20 recruitable NPCs, all very different from one another. And each class and NPC has their own skill trees to level up (there're some overlaps of course). You make a team of 3 and head of to dungeons where the mobs come at you in WAVES. Very hack-n-slash, and the PNC movement (ugh) just helps reinforce the feeling.
As Korean MMOs go, personally I think GE is the best, they've managed to innovate while still managing to be a grinding game at heart (LOL). However since I actually find the grinding rather enjoyable, thats cool with me. (Since you have a team of 3 you can take on mob 5 levels over you, just be careful.) However K2 Networks = THE SUCK, subscribe at your own risk, so I'll prolly keep on playing the Singapore version and not the NA one.
I don''t really know when Humankind will die out but i''m guessing about 6 years before WOW.
-BarCrow
I disagree.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez"
Bladezz (The Guild)
And overall i give the game a rating of 5/10 . i dont care if a game cost 100million to produce as long as it has the same old elements like every other mmo krean grind game.
U can play with 3 chars , but is it then really a mmorpg? i mean in a mmorpg u choose a special role to party, but there u can have everyone and everything -feels like u play a bad offline rpg!
grando espawho??? Think what you want about this game it is NEVER going to be a WAR and/or AoC. [that being said under the assumption either or those companies don't hire brad mctool and his vanguard crew]. I am sure lots are having fun playing grandblahblahblah, but it will never appeal to the whole gaming community like WAR will, AoC more niche IMO. Isn't this the game with the ability to control 3 toons at one time and afk grind your way in levels?? Sounds lame to me. Graphics look good i'll give it that and I will not argue it will be an entertaining game, but no long term staying power here. I'll try anything and i think i'll take a pass on this one.
Plus i was getting really ticked off the the music in that video, so called "great soundtracks".
To OP...youve got to be kidding, its like the victorian era online.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes"
Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
there is only a very few asian games actually.. most of other are custom copies of succeful ones ( Lineage series and MUD for the most part). The majors games have a large budget bigger than games such AoC.
They have less content.
people might not like games like lineage2 but saying a games designed arround pvp ( not metion the flaws here such grind etc only content)) have less content is being pretty ignorant if you ask me
You have to grind longer in Asian games to see what content there is.
Really ? how long to get to top lvl in EQ1 back then ? how long to get to top lvl in games like SWG and AO back then ? AOC ? those nowdays are easy specially with high lvl helps but what if you start from scrath ? because if you want to compare grind then you need to compare with games that are about the same age.
Sub par movement animations.
Impossible upgrade paths for weapons in the game so that you end up loosing most of your gear trying to upgrade it.
How is that a bad point ?
Fewer types of mobs to fight against. You usually end up fighting the same model with a different name later in the game.
how different are most of the games ? its all the same everywhere pretty much.
Usually have graphics that do not look as nice because Asian games target lower spec systems to play on.
wrong, again if you want to compare dont take the free games as exemple.. those are copies with low bufget.. ther is no design research behind. You like manga style or you dont but thee design of games like lineage are jsut terrific.
Usually use old out of date middleware and game engines that do not require expensive licensing fees.
like lineage using UT engine 4 years ago and AION ( next major NCSOFT title) using FARCRY engine ?
They are usually lame potion spamming games.
So you try a empty game such RFO and ARchlord and you make it as a general statment ?
And yes, point and click games are annoying.
Diablo was p&c as far as i remmember.. didnt bother players though. i dont mind both WASD and P&C
As for the main tpoic, GE is wayy too empty of serious content to be a majr title.. the grafics of lands and avatars are very beautifull ( assuming you liek that style) but there is not enough customisation of you're familys wich is a MAJOR flaw for US/euro markets.
IF there is a promising game coming soon that will probably seriously compet with AoC ( still i have hard time trusting FUNCOM for that one) and WARHAMMER its AION.. least NCSOFT is trying to release a game more on the US/EURO way to play ( read less grind, morecustomisation, more content than usual) and aiming directly to compet with WoW.