Originally posted by turnipz This is from wikipedia, I really dont think warhammer invented orcs and crap. But like it or not the game is a world of warcraft clone, same combat mechanics, same character types, tiny tiny bit better graphics. Its even guided by EA whose been trying to steal people from WoW for a long long time.
Just wanted to throw this out there... Welcome to almost every other MMO before WoW. Only thing WoW has going for it, is that it is simple.
wow the mmo came out before war the mmo. blizzard stole their idea from war and made wow.so if wow is basicly war then why quit wow and play war when you are allready in wow with a high lvl toon with good friends, a good guild, and the best armour and just restart on war. war is a little diffrent so go ahead but you cant deniy that wow the mmo came out years before war and that is what the ppl are trying to say not that wow was dreamt up back in 1920 and war stole the idea from blizzard,well 90% of them
oh and i personlly never played wow and im not a wow fan but i just wanted to state the truth and i might try out war because i never played wow. war look fun but conan might be better,we will see.
anyways...there's an easy way to settle this...i've realized this recently and it's a lot of the same people taht have been saying that EverQuest or DAoC copied WoW taht are saying that WAR copied WoW...and it didn't...none of them did...Warhammer was a role-playin board game, like i said, long before anything related to Warcraft was concieved...Blizz actually probably stole ideas from the Warhammer role-playing game much long before WoW existed...also, isn't it kind of strange...Warhammer was first, then Warcraft, right? well, think about the names...that's it, good day, end rant
I voted this thread to be a did at fan boys and its soooo true.
MMO's are copies of each other anyways, at the end of the day what sets them apart is graphics and classes. for starters Warhammer is not a WoW clone the graphics are so much more defined with graphics etc. second of all games workshop has been around for 40-50 years.
Warcraft is warhammers clone nuff said end of story
The ocean of lore that is the Warhammer universe completely pisses over warcrafts lore. So you can bet your ass I'll be going to Warhammer as soon as I can... I play wow cus its the closest I can get to warhammer... so It makes no sense for me to be playing what I consider the clone to a great license (warhammer)
european lore - > LoTR - > Dungeons and Dragons - > Warhammer - > Warcraft.
This is fact... go check it out for yourselves.
Im not alone most of my friends will be making the jump for they play WoW for the same reason as I do... Its as close to Warhammer as we can get right now. So when Warhammer is available, there is no competition between the 2 for us.
People say WAR looks "cartoon-y". I don't see how anyone could possible interpret it's graphics as such, but by the same merit, I don't think WoW is terribly "cartoon-y" either.
WoW does indeed look less realistic, but only slightly like any kind of cartoon or animation.
WAR looks about inbetween totally realistic style MMOs like GW or CoH (to an extent), and more unrealistic style, WoW's. As to gameplay or anything else comparing the two: I can't really make any judgements, I don't know a WHOLE lot about WAR yet.
But really, I'm tired of people using the adjective cartoony...
PS: DnD could, potenially have the most lore ever, since most DMs make their own for each setting. DnD FTW
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Warcraft, was originally going to be a game by GW (warhammer more from tolkein with the wood elfs, lands of the west etc with a hint of germany and other european nations thrown in) and Blizzard, but they fell out.... so blizzard used what knowledge they gleaned and went and made up, stole from and basically ripped every fantasy/sci-fi game/movie out there.... (from D&D to Starship Troopers)
And in case your wondering, this is Warhammers Online second debut the first failed, which was a shame.
goddamn it can we end this war? i think they get it now, Warhammer came first...i haven't seen one retaliation in 2 or 3 pages so...there's no point in continuing this...locked, packaged, sealed, sent
goddamn it can we end this war? i think they get it now, Warhammer came first...i haven't seen one retaliation in 2 or 3 pages so...there's no point in continuing this...locked, packaged, sealed, sent
WoW is a AC2 Clone if you wanna put facts where the belong, the UI is and controls, and the attack system is totally ripped off of AC2.. so WAR is a AC2 clone if i get the OP right..
goddamn it can we end this war? i think they get it now, Warhammer came first...i haven't seen one retaliation in 2 or 3 pages so...there's no point in continuing this...locked, packaged, sealed, sent
WoW is a AC2 Clone if you wanna put facts where the belong, the UI is and controls, and the attack system is totally ripped off of AC2.. so WAR is a AC2 clone if i get the OP right..
Every RPG is a D&D clone, they started it..
and war is a DAOC clone if anything
gah....this thread is getting pointless...everyone seems to be arguing about the same thing when they're all on the same side of things...just in different ways...so i'm staying out for a while
Whether its a clone or not its the exact same in almost every aspect, can we agree on that?
Nah then it becomes a lore battle... and until you tell me that "blue space men" and "starship trooper bugs" fit perfectly into blizzards screwed up lore along with horde paladins and alliance shamans.
without involving the words "it was for gameplay" or "balancing raids" then....
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Although these pics are pretty old on the WAR side of things, I think they look good enough now to stop comparisons, mythics updated ones look great. But I can see why people make comparisons though. Maybe the haters should get an eye check up.
WAR(The MMO) has similar features to WoW (and WoW is most well known and even if WAR is similar to another, it doesn't change the fact that it's similar to WoW)
wow the mmo came out before war the mmo. blizzard stole their idea from war and made wow.so if wow is basicly war then why quit wow and play war when you are allready in wow with a high lvl toon with good friends, a good guild, and the best armour and just restart on war. war is a little diffrent so go ahead but you cant deniy that wow the mmo came out years before war and that is what the ppl are trying to say not that wow was dreamt up back in 1920 and war stole the idea from blizzard,well 90% of them oh and i personlly never played wow and im not a wow fan but i just wanted to state the truth and i might try out war because i never played wow. war look fun but conan might be better,we will see.
Dude, just because they are based roughly.. ROUGHLY on the same lore (WoW is a bad interpretation of the Warhammer world) doesn't mean you need to take the 'been there done that' attitude.
Mythic / Blizzard are two very different developers and if you take the time to look into both you will see that are aimed at completly different audiences, WoW being of low quality mainly PvE, WAR of a high quality mainly comprising of PvP but even the PvE is bound to PvP, its going to be really fun i think
First of all its important to note that when the warhammer games were comming out Games Workshop took blizzard to court over the look and history behind warcraft 1 2 & 3. Very quickly Blizzard settled out of cours and amde certain changes to there game world. This tells me they did copy off Games Workshop. So that argument is pretty much done. As to the history well here it is.
Various folkstories areound the world were made.
The hobbit was writtain creating a basic look for Goblins Deamons Wraiths etc.
The Lord OfThe Rings was writain and Orcs were created [didnt exist before orks didnt] They has blackskin i belive.
Dungeons and dragons and other Pen and Paper games were made.
Games Workshop came into being creating its own take on the various races you get.
Almost 10 years later Blizzard released Warcraft.
Warcraft 2 came out
Warcraft 3 came out and Blizzard got sued
Blizzard settled out of court and made alterations.
But the fact is that many supossed viking lore comes from Germany, Italy and Spain, just like the Orcs; Orc is a word connected to the spaniard typical morphology and there are many toponymes related to this creature in Spain, so as many tales. And well, In the times it came out Italy and Germany were parts of Spain, ruled by Spain and under the Spaniard Crown. If dont believe me, check it out for yourself.
Vikings were lousy people compared to that. They conquered Iceland, after a hard battle against its inhabitants: the penguins.
WAR is Warhammer, that is the game Warcraft stole the ideas from.
If you really want to go back to the roots of MMORPG's you should check out chess...
chess evolved into table top wargames (or non table top), then we got tolkiens fantasy interpretation... which led to Gigax creating Dungeons and Dragons, then we go back to table top wargames (i.e. Warhammer and 40k, epic, etc, etc, etc) computers resulted in computer RPG's which finally led to MMO's ... MMO's are not really role playing games, they use some of the same principles, but how much of an actual role do you get to play in most MMO's?
Although these pics are pretty old on the WAR side of things, I think they look good enough now to stop comparisons, mythics updated ones look great. But I can see why people make comparisons though. Maybe the haters should get an eye check up. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7281/warvswow6te.jpg
If you really want to go back to the roots of MMORPG's you should check out chess...
chess evolved into table top wargames (or non table top), then we got tolkiens fantasy interpretation... which led to Gigax creating Dungeons and Dragons, then we go back to table top wargames (i.e. Warhammer and 40k, epic, etc, etc, etc) computers resulted in computer RPG's which finally led to MMO's ... MMO's are not really role playing games, they use some of the same principles, but how much of an actual role do you get to play in most MMO's?
anyways, my little piece of the pie...
Greetz
I belive Chess started out in Arabia as a way of teching young princes Tactical thinking. There were pieces like an eliphant which is now the castle.
A cartoony graphic style is not enough to label anything a clone. Game-play will tell.
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wow the mmo came out before war the mmo. blizzard stole their idea from war and made wow.so if wow is basicly war then why quit wow and play war when you are allready in wow with a high lvl toon with good friends, a good guild, and the best armour and just restart on war. war is a little diffrent so go ahead but you cant deniy that wow the mmo came out years before war and that is what the ppl are trying to say not that wow was dreamt up back in 1920 and war stole the idea from blizzard,well 90% of them
oh and i personlly never played wow and im not a wow fan but i just wanted to state the truth and i might try out war because i never played wow. war look fun but conan might be better,we will see.
anyways...there's an easy way to settle this...i've realized this recently and it's a lot of the same people taht have been saying that EverQuest or DAoC copied WoW taht are saying that WAR copied WoW...and it didn't...none of them did...Warhammer was a role-playin board game, like i said, long before anything related to Warcraft was concieved...Blizz actually probably stole ideas from the Warhammer role-playing game much long before WoW existed...also, isn't it kind of strange...Warhammer was first, then Warcraft, right? well, think about the names...that's it, good day, end rant
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I voted this thread to be a did at fan boys and its soooo true.
MMO's are copies of each other anyways, at the end of the day what sets them apart is graphics and classes. for starters Warhammer is not a WoW clone the graphics are so much more defined with graphics etc. second of all games workshop has been around for 40-50 years.
Warcraft is warhammers clone nuff said end of story
The ocean of lore that is the Warhammer universe completely pisses over warcrafts lore. So you can bet your ass I'll be going to Warhammer as soon as I can... I play wow cus its the closest I can get to warhammer... so It makes no sense for me to be playing what I consider the clone to a great license (warhammer)
european lore - > LoTR - > Dungeons and Dragons - > Warhammer - > Warcraft.
This is fact... go check it out for yourselves.
Im not alone most of my friends will be making the jump for they play WoW for the same reason as I do... Its as close to Warhammer as we can get right now. So when Warhammer is available, there is no competition between the 2 for us.
WoW does indeed look less realistic, but only slightly like any kind of cartoon or animation.
WAR looks about inbetween totally realistic style MMOs like GW or CoH (to an extent), and more unrealistic style, WoW's. As to gameplay or anything else comparing the two: I can't really make any judgements, I don't know a WHOLE lot about WAR yet.
But really, I'm tired of people using the adjective cartoony...
PS: DnD could, potenially have the most lore ever, since most DMs make their own for each setting. DnD FTW
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-Been there, done that: Xsyon, WoW, EVE, Maplestory, City of Heroes, Guild Wars, Warhammer Online, FF11, Rift
-Currently playing: Not MMOs
-Wants to check out: SWTOR, Dark Millennium
hmm Penny Arcade anyone:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10
^^ Tycho sums up my opinions brilliantly ^^
Warcraft, was originally going to be a game by GW (warhammer more from tolkein with the wood elfs, lands of the west etc with a hint of germany and other european nations thrown in) and Blizzard, but they fell out.... so blizzard used what knowledge they gleaned and went and made up, stole from and basically ripped every fantasy/sci-fi game/movie out there.... (from D&D to Starship Troopers)
And in case your wondering, this is Warhammers Online second debut
the first failed, which was a shame.
the end.
*yawns*
goddamn it can we end this war? i think they get it now, Warhammer came first...i haven't seen one retaliation in 2 or 3 pages so...there's no point in continuing this...locked, packaged, sealed, sent
Check out the MUD I'm making!
WoW is a AC2 Clone if you wanna put facts where the belong, the UI is and controls, and the attack system is totally ripped off of AC2.. so WAR is a AC2 clone if i get the OP right..
Every RPG is a D&D clone, they started it..
and war is a DAOC clone if anything
WoW is a AC2 Clone if you wanna put facts where the belong, the UI is and controls, and the attack system is totally ripped off of AC2.. so WAR is a AC2 clone if i get the OP right..
Every RPG is a D&D clone, they started it..
and war is a DAOC clone if anything
gah....this thread is getting pointless...everyone seems to be arguing about the same thing when they're all on the same side of things...just in different ways...so i'm staying out for a whileCheck out the MUD I'm making!
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Nah then it becomes a lore battle... and until you tell me that "blue space men" and "starship trooper bugs" fit perfectly into blizzards screwed up lore along with horde paladins and alliance shamans.
without involving the words "it was for gameplay" or "balancing raids" then....
Although these pics are pretty old on the WAR side of things, I think they look good enough now to stop comparisons, mythics updated ones look great. But I can see why people make comparisons though. Maybe the haters should get an eye check up.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7281/warvswow6te.jpg
Oh goody I want to join
WAR(The MMO) looks like WoW to me
WAR(The MMO) has similar features to WoW (and WoW is most well known and even if WAR is similar to another, it doesn't change the fact that it's similar to WoW)
YAY
Mythic / Blizzard are two very different developers and if you take the time to look into both you will see that are aimed at completly different audiences, WoW being of low quality mainly PvE, WAR of a high quality mainly comprising of PvP but even the PvE is bound to PvP, its going to be really fun i think
First of all its important to note that when the warhammer games were comming out Games Workshop took blizzard to court over the look and history behind warcraft 1 2 & 3. Very quickly Blizzard settled out of cours and amde certain changes to there game world. This tells me they did copy off Games Workshop. So that argument is pretty much done. As to the history well here it is.
Various folkstories areound the world were made.
The hobbit was writtain creating a basic look for Goblins Deamons Wraiths etc.
The Lord OfThe Rings was writain and Orcs were created [didnt exist before orks didnt] They has blackskin i belive.
Dungeons and dragons and other Pen and Paper games were made.
Games Workshop came into being creating its own take on the various races you get.
Almost 10 years later Blizzard released Warcraft.
Warcraft 2 came out
Warcraft 3 came out and Blizzard got sued
Blizzard settled out of court and made alterations.
WoW comes changing the face of MMO's forever.
But the fact is that many supossed viking lore comes from Germany, Italy and Spain, just like the Orcs; Orc is a word connected to the spaniard typical morphology and there are many toponymes related to this creature in Spain, so as many tales. And well, In the times it came out Italy and Germany were parts of Spain, ruled by Spain and under the Spaniard Crown. If dont believe me, check it out for yourself.
Vikings were lousy people compared to that. They conquered Iceland, after a hard battle against its inhabitants: the penguins.
WAR is Warhammer, that is the game Warcraft stole the ideas from.
WAR wins.
It is a question of fangs.
If you really want to go back to the roots of MMORPG's you should check out chess...
chess evolved into table top wargames (or non table top), then we got tolkiens fantasy interpretation... which led to Gigax creating Dungeons and Dragons, then we go back to table top wargames (i.e. Warhammer and 40k, epic, etc, etc, etc) computers resulted in computer RPG's which finally led to MMO's ... MMO's are not really role playing games, they use some of the same principles, but how much of an actual role do you get to play in most MMO's?
anyways, my little piece of the pie...
Greetz
A cartoony graphic style is not enough to label anything a clone. Game-play will tell.
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Current Games: L4D, Skyrim
Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR.
Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2