Well looking to the past may shed light on the future those very same dev statements have been repeated over and over. SoE aquired SWG back before launch while in beta and the dev team with it. Then along came The Matrix it too was absorbed into SoE or aquired same thing. Then came Sigil and Vancrap it too was absorbed into SoE and the main guys kept their jobs and the work force who did all the work got the pink slip.
I don't hate SoE but i don't have faith in them based on their past track record with the actual truth and with what they actually deliever. SoE has no clue at times and completely ignores the main player base. I highly doubt potbs will be any different than the past games that were suppose to just be hosted. Im sure the bad pr SoE has with alot of people wont help it any. Reguardless of what some dev post saying otherwise will be just another repeat of the past to alot of players.
SoE has the worst rep now among MMO's devs/host ect no matter what people want to believe. Their handling of past games causes alot of the negative post/feedback ect. You have to view it from what SoE says vs what they actually do. It's allways been we tell the public one thing then do a complete 360 in the opposite direction. I recall the same folks saying vancrap would be aquired and it was, even tho some of you called them haters. Haters or not they were right and sometimes it really sucks to be right.
All i can say is the future of POTBS is not looking too good if they take the swg/vancrap/matrix approach. But unless SoE actually doesnt aquire them along with the game will suprise the heck outa me. Why change now? SoE is the one who made the mistakes not the paying public. As customers we had no control over how the game was handled. All we can do is protest with our money and our opinions. It's not hate to call SoE out on how they handle their customers. Its just cold hard facts they haven't a clue and never make any sense in how they handle their products.
I can predict the future of potbs looks dim reguardless of how good it may or may not be. It will be released early just like EQ2,SWG,Vancrap was. It will be buggy and no one will listen to the beta testers. It's allways about the money people. The sooner they get a sub base the quicker they can show a profitt. All i can say is Good luck POTBS i hope your the first game to break the SoE tradition of ruining games. It would be a first for SoE to actually not lie to their customers. Funny how Karma comes back to nibble on yah.
Sigil was a terribly mismanaged company that made a crappy bug filled game. They ran out of money. Then SOE came and took over.
Without SOE, That game would not exist. Why do people hate SOE over it? All they did was help that game release. It just boggles my mind that people blame Vanguard on SOE when they did pretty much nothing.
f13.net: How deep did SOE's hands get into it? What was the progression like?
Ex-Sigil: They were hands-off all the way up til today <<this is a bit after release>>
f13.net: ... are you serious?
Ex-Sigil: SOE lent a few devs to us in the final days, but it was nothing like people think. I think design had 3 people, art 2, and programming 1 from SOE. They let us use their testing dept too somewhat. We felt somewhat reborn I guess, but with a sense of reservation. When the merger happened SOE embraced us, and spent a LOT of money on us right away. It felt really good.
I think your clueless as to what $OE's role was as publisher for Sigil and now Flying Lab
See $OE pays them to make the game. So all the salaries are paid for by $OE and the as well as all dev costs. In turn they take all if not most of the porfits. So if Sigil would not have been bought out all the Sigil empolyee or most or them would still have jobs and would be paid by $OE through Sigil for continued game expantions and updates etc.
So Sigil did not run out of money they never had money the where being paid first by mircosoft and then by $OE to make the game how ever $OE just wanted a return on their money and wanted it now and forced the launch.
Flying Labs is in the same pot of oil $OE is paying them to make the game and they pay for all involved cost and likely preivous dev costs so yeah the product Pirates of the Burning Sea might be made by Flying Lab but its now paid for and owned by $OE.
and so $OE says all dev is going to be done by Flying Labs
So they are making Flying Lab do all the work while the sit back and pay the bills until about the time when they agreed the game would be released and then the game is released finished or not so they start getting a return on their money.
And that is what happened to Sigil the game was not done when $OE said they wanted it done and it was released
Now Flying Lab gave $OE a tenitive release date when they signed on with $OE they had to in order to get their money and $OE will hold them to that time frame finished or not
yeah look $OE did nothing in programing for vanguard with out it being requested and yet they still forced the launch of the game
can you blame them? Microsoft just lost $30 MILLION dollars of investment. I wouldn't want to fund that forever only to have it come out and be a peice of crap.
Microsoft lost nothing $OE bought/paid them for Vanguard
yeah look $OE did nothing in programing for vanguard with out it being requested and yet they still forced the launch of the game
can you blame them? Microsoft just lost $30 MILLION dollars of investment. I wouldn't want to fund that forever only to have it come out and be a peice of crap.
Microsoft lost nothing $OE bought/paid them for Vanguard
quote from interview with Ex-Sigil
f13.net: How much did Microsoft sink into Vanguard? Ex-Sigil: We always heard numbers like 30 million. f13.net: And how much did SOE pay Microsoft for it? Ex-Sigil: I doubt they paid much.
The only relevant history of Sony's publishing you can look at is Toontown Online. It was developed by Disney and published by SOE's Platform Publishing (same deal Flying Labs and Perpetual Entertainment have). It's the only MMORPG that Platform Publishing has helped release so far.
Find errors in Platform Publishing's distribution and marketing of Toontown Online and then go with that. If you can't, end of arguement, your opinions on the subject are not relevant.
Too much speculation based on misinformation and more BS.
Personally, I think Flyinglabs seems to know what they want and what they're doing moreso then anyone here so I'm taking them at their word on what's going on with SOE. It seems like they made a good deal to me.
Vanguard was a disaster cause my Sigil and no one else. Let's leave it at that.
edit: except for the guy above me. He seems to have a clue.
I was looking forward to this game too. This is horrible news...
And to explain, while I don't hate SOE, I know that something will eventually happen that will either make the game unplayable. I will, however, try it out before then.
just about everything you said is not quite true. EDIT: and i mean towards PotBS. I Don't believe SOE is paying FLS's paychecks. EDIT2: And the release by FLS said they are retaining most of the profits, since they are not financed by SOE
Really
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
just about everything you said is not quite true. EDIT: and i mean towards PotBS. I Don't believe SOE is paying FLS's paychecks. EDIT2: And the release by FLS said they are retaining most of the profits, since they are not financed by SOE
Really
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
Originally posted by RickSaada
When it comes down to it, we wouldn't have signed this deal if we didn't like it. We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves (and yes, I *DO* know the financial state of the company, I'm one of the owners) , but we believe we would have been far less successful if we had done so. The fact is, we're a game developer, not a game publisher. We've never done marketing and distribution, taken out print ads, handled box sales, or done billing. Could we do it? Yes. Would we make a lot of stupid mistakes because of inexperience? Yup. Would we have done a better job than Sony? Not even close.
Vanguard would have been canceled if SoE didnt step in. MxO servers probably would have shut down by now if SoE didnt pick the game up.
SoE created SWG and Planetside, two games that were original and unique, both games that SoE took a chance on. The only valid bad mark on SoE IMO is the CU/NGE thing with SWG, but seriously, nobody is stupid enough to make that mistake twice, it really cost em big time, and we dont know how much LA had to do with that decision too (it makes a lot more sense to me that LA would be like 'oh look, WoW is making money, make our game like WoW, SoE!' than a vet company doing such a thing).
EQ2 is doing great, and SoE is bringing in something new once more with their spy mmorpg.
I dont have any love for big companies (especially sony, although I do have a sony dvd burner, I have never thought much of the playstation consoles compared to nintendo/xbox), but I'm not going to pretend that their products are all crap, nor am I going to pretend PotBS is a product of SoE, because it isnt.
PotBS has had new gameplay aspects added to it time and time again; they have so much funding that they have been able to expand the game over and over, taking it from a indie naval simulator into a big dog mmorpg. They originally planned an online distribution only, but PotBS has expanded majorly since then, and now they want a big release, and they need connections for that.
I dont really mind if you guys hate SoE, but gawd, give PotBS a chance before writing it off, and definitely give it a chance before bashing it.
Flying labs has lots of money, this has nothing to do with money. it has every thing to do with getting this game in stores. plz stop makeing this into a i hate soe threed and see the light at the end of the tunnel FL need some one to do this, with out giveing up control the only one willing to do this was SOE. so I for 1 will say thanks to SOE I really wanted to play this game and now I will be able to
just about everything you said is not quite true. EDIT: and i mean towards PotBS. I Don't believe SOE is paying FLS's paychecks. EDIT2: And the release by FLS said they are retaining most of the profits, since they are not financed by SOE
Really
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
Originally posted by RickSaada
When it comes down to it, we wouldn't have signed this deal if we didn't like it. We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves (and yes, I *DO* know the financial state of the company, I'm one of the owners) , but we believe we would have been far less successful if we had done so. The fact is, we're a game developer, not a game publisher. We've never done marketing and distribution, taken out print ads, handled box sales, or done billing. Could we do it? Yes. Would we make a lot of stupid mistakes because of inexperience? Yup. Would we have done a better job than Sony? Not even close.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
There you go.
Is everybody still bitching about this?
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just about everything you said is not quite true. EDIT: and i mean towards PotBS. I Don't believe SOE is paying FLS's paychecks. EDIT2: And the release by FLS said they are retaining most of the profits, since they are not financed by SOE
Really
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
Originally posted by RickSaada
When it comes down to it, we wouldn't have signed this deal if we didn't like it. We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves (and yes, I *DO* know the financial state of the company, I'm one of the owners) , but we believe we would have been far less successful if we had done so. The fact is, we're a game developer, not a game publisher. We've never done marketing and distribution, taken out print ads, handled box sales, or done billing. Could we do it? Yes. Would we make a lot of stupid mistakes because of inexperience? Yup. Would we have done a better job than Sony? Not even close.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
There you go.
OMG
Did you even read that? They are not self financed.
We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves. (but they aren't)
They sold out to $OE
This states the owner sold out as they could make the game bigger and more sucessful even though they could have done it them selves. So $OE likely paid them all their costs and the owners a few million more. But the bottom line is yeah $OE is paying and owns the game thats how they do things.
The owners cashed out the few millions they would have made but releasing the game their selves plus got their investment in the game back and likely each get a paycheck now too. For the owners its a good deal get all their money up front and a paycheck for continueing to run the game. Its good for $OE to they get another game to make $ off of and will make more then the owners could have as they already get systems set up for releasing games.
So sure the owners make money and $OE makes money but that does not mean its good for the players or the game.
just about everything you said is not quite true. EDIT: and i mean towards PotBS. I Don't believe SOE is paying FLS's paychecks. EDIT2: And the release by FLS said they are retaining most of the profits, since they are not financed by SOE
Really
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
Originally posted by RickSaada
When it comes down to it, we wouldn't have signed this deal if we didn't like it. We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves (and yes, I *DO* know the financial state of the company, I'm one of the owners) , but we believe we would have been far less successful if we had done so. The fact is, we're a game developer, not a game publisher. We've never done marketing and distribution, taken out print ads, handled box sales, or done billing. Could we do it? Yes. Would we make a lot of stupid mistakes because of inexperience? Yup. Would we have done a better job than Sony? Not even close.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
There you go.
OMG
Did you even read that? They are not self financed.
We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves. (but they aren't)
They sold out to $OE
This states the owner sold out as they could make the game bigger and more sucessful even though they could have done it them selves. So $OE likely paid them all their costs and the owners a few million more. But the bottom line is yeah $OE is paying and owns the game thats how they do things.
The owners cashed out the few millions they would have made but releasing the game their selves plus got their investment in the game back and likely each get a paycheck now too. For the owners its a good deal get all their money up front and a paycheck for continueing to run the game. Its good for $OE to they get another game to make $ off of and will make more then the owners could have as they already get systems set up for releasing games.
So sure the owners make money and $OE makes money but that does not mean its good for the players or the game.
Where did it say that they sold the game to SOE? They didn't. They have a deal for SOE to market and distribute the game, and do billing, but FLS still owns the intellectual property rights, all their infrastructure, everybody still works for FLS, not SOE, and game development decisions are being made by FLS. Sorry, but you're just, you know, wrong.
Did you even read that? They are not self financed. We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves. (but they aren't) They sold out to $OE This states the owner sold out as they could make the game bigger and more sucessful even though they could have done it them selves. So $OE likely paid them all their costs and the owners a few million more. But the bottom line is yeah $OE is paying and owns the game thats how they do things. The owners cashed out the few millions they would have made but releasing the game their selves plus got their investment in the game back and likely each get a paycheck now too. For the owners its a good deal get all their money up front and a paycheck for continueing to run the game. Its good for $OE to they get another game to make $ off of and will make more then the owners could have as they already get systems set up for releasing games. So sure the owners make money and $OE makes money but that does not mean its good for the players or the game.
Your logic is flawed and I seriously doubt you have any proof of this being true. Show me solid evidence of SOE paying FL for the rights.
Did you even read that? They are not self financed.
Um... did you even read it? We are self-financed. We always have been.
SOE did not buy us. We signed a contract with them to do publishing, distribution, and billing. Our salaries are still being paid by the same people who have always paid them.
Christ. I have no problem talking about this issue with y'all, but please at least try to get a minimum level of truthiness in your posts? Please?
Did you even read that? They are not self financed. We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves. (but they aren't) They sold out to $OE This states the owner sold out as they could make the game bigger and more sucessful even though they could have done it them selves. So $OE likely paid them all their costs and the owners a few million more. But the bottom line is yeah $OE is paying and owns the game thats how they do things. The owners cashed out the few millions they would have made but releasing the game their selves plus got their investment in the game back and likely each get a paycheck now too. For the owners its a good deal get all their money up front and a paycheck for continueing to run the game. Its good for $OE to they get another game to make $ off of and will make more then the owners could have as they already get systems set up for releasing games. So sure the owners make money and $OE makes money but that does not mean its good for the players or the game.
Your logic is flawed and I seriously doubt you have any proof of this being true. Show me solid evidence of SOE paying FL for the rights.
Not only is that logic flawed, all this is merely witch-hunting frenzy, which some enjoy, since it gives them something to do. Best ignore this, such people live by the emotional hype. Where others do Bungee jumping or drive in a rollercoaster, they make forum frenzies.
Really, just WAIT for the FRIGGIN game, and SEE how it is!
"Until the possible is a reality it is only a distraction. Keep your mind here and now, where it belongs.", to quote Qui-Gon Jinn. Wandering into what might be and what not is best left to old women with crystal globes or Jedi Masters. And you are neither.
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well very poor business move, another game I will NOT play due to them signing over to $OE. grats. and I am sure many more people will follow and boycott this game, so much for a good pirate mmo, u just screwed yourself. I would not play this if you paid me to now. have fun vanguard 2.
will game companies ever learn and stop selling out to SOE and flooding the market with their crap games?
Did you even read that? They are not self financed.
Um... did you even read it? We are self-financed. We always have been.
SOE did not buy us. We signed a contract with them to do publishing, distribution, and billing. Our salaries are still being paid by the same people who have always paid them.
Christ. I have no problem talking about this issue with y'all, but please at least try to get a minimum level of truthiness in your posts? Please?
LMFAO , Sigil told the same lies.
Now the difference is we gotta wait what 4 or 5 months like we did for Vanguard for you to fire your devs in a parking lot and sell out to SOE publicly? B/c lets face it thats all this is , is a hidden sellout to SOE. Keep saying you did not sell out , you may keep a few people palying your game. but guess what, after all the years of playing MMOs and SOE track record, didn't you think about this...maybe you shoulda had a more reputable company logo branded on your product?
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.=SOE
I understand the concern with SOE and such due to SWG/VAN, but honestly....the people saying "omg sellouts!!!way to fail!!SOE will run you into the ground!!!" haqve you even read the details? SOE has NO HAND IN DEVELOPMENT in this game.they are purely marketing which is a good mood. The developers still own the game and wont sell the rights of the game AT ALL. So honestly i dont see the whole cryfest over this. SOE cant say no or yes to any Big changes in gameplay so no need for cryfest. It will still be an awesome MMO. I realised this after listening to the developers in the IRC chat.
I had such hopes for this game. Vanguard too... SWG at one point, some short 4 years ago. Anyone who claims they're "just the publisher" can feel free to read the Vanguard boards to see how that plays out.
Why can't any game company realize that $OE is the blood diamond of the MMO world. Anyone who cares about ethical business practices will now shun this game. Flying Labs just shot their reputation to hell by sleeping with the devil, AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT. Or if they do, they don't care.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
NOOO OMG i had such high hopes for this game, whats next, SOE will buy FLS?!?!?!? and then change it into what shayde said
"THE PIRATES OF THE NGE" i will play this game, although it goes against my SOE Boycott, i will play it and i will look passed it until i smell something phishy.
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I can't wait, last thing SOE screwed up was SWG and that game didn't have much to screw up any way. EQ2 is still one of the top games out there and I enjoy planetside. So with this game coming out station pass is looking very nice.
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Why take the time to post if you haven't made any effort to figure out what the hell you're talking about? There is a fundamental difference between the PotBS situation and that of Vanguard's which will certainly not change anyone's mind despite being a perfectly valid point: PotBS is ready to ship now. The recent delay was for contract negotiations, nothing development-related. This of course dosen't mean that FLS absolutely won't be gobbled up by SOE: if the game tanks completely, it probably will sell to them. Had they not gone to SOE for publishing, the game would have either died after tanking or would have been sold anyway, again possibly to SOE. Of course if SoE does end up buying out PotBS, there will be a major outcry, all of you would be saying you "I told you so's", ect, ect. But who really cares at that point? If the game sucks, let SoE gobble it up. It really is not a lie when FLS says that the quality of the game upon launch is their responsibility.
Another point of major frustration for me is seeing all the braindead "consumer advocates" here who won't be giving SOE their money for "ethical" reasons. Give me a break. You're all selfish consumers. Thousands of people have had terrible experiences with name-brands that you would happily endorse beacuse you personally have never had a problem with them. You don't care to research because you base everyday purchases on personal experience, which is fine. You've had a problem with SoE's billing or they ruined your favorite game? Then don't pay. But you don't get any morality points for selflessly banning yourself from an online game.
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Well looking to the past may shed light on the future those very same dev statements have been repeated over and over. SoE aquired SWG back before launch while in beta and the dev team with it. Then along came The Matrix it too was absorbed into SoE or aquired same thing. Then came Sigil and Vancrap it too was absorbed into SoE and the main guys kept their jobs and the work force who did all the work got the pink slip.
I don't hate SoE but i don't have faith in them based on their past track record with the actual truth and with what they actually deliever. SoE has no clue at times and completely ignores the main player base. I highly doubt potbs will be any different than the past games that were suppose to just be hosted. Im sure the bad pr SoE has with alot of people wont help it any. Reguardless of what some dev post saying otherwise will be just another repeat of the past to alot of players.
SoE has the worst rep now among MMO's devs/host ect no matter what people want to believe. Their handling of past games causes alot of the negative post/feedback ect. You have to view it from what SoE says vs what they actually do. It's allways been we tell the public one thing then do a complete 360 in the opposite direction. I recall the same folks saying vancrap would be aquired and it was, even tho some of you called them haters. Haters or not they were right and sometimes it really sucks to be right.
All i can say is the future of POTBS is not looking too good if they take the swg/vancrap/matrix approach. But unless SoE actually doesnt aquire them along with the game will suprise the heck outa me. Why change now? SoE is the one who made the mistakes not the paying public. As customers we had no control over how the game was handled. All we can do is protest with our money and our opinions. It's not hate to call SoE out on how they handle their customers. Its just cold hard facts they haven't a clue and never make any sense in how they handle their products.
I can predict the future of potbs looks dim reguardless of how good it may or may not be. It will be released early just like EQ2,SWG,Vancrap was. It will be buggy and no one will listen to the beta testers. It's allways about the money people. The sooner they get a sub base the quicker they can show a profitt. All i can say is Good luck POTBS i hope your the first game to break the SoE tradition of ruining games. It would be a first for SoE to actually not lie to their customers. Funny how Karma comes back to nibble on yah.
What happened at VG?
Sigil was a terribly mismanaged company that made a crappy bug filled game. They ran out of money. Then SOE came and took over.
Without SOE, That game would not exist. Why do people hate SOE over it? All they did was help that game release. It just boggles my mind that people blame Vanguard on SOE when they did pretty much nothing.
Read this interview with a Ex-Sigil Employee Here
A quote for you
I think your clueless as to what $OE's role was as publisher for Sigil and now Flying LabSee $OE pays them to make the game. So all the salaries are paid for by $OE and the as well as all dev costs. In turn they take all if not most of the porfits. So if Sigil would not have been bought out all the Sigil empolyee or most or them would still have jobs and would be paid by $OE through Sigil for continued game expantions and updates etc.
So Sigil did not run out of money they never had money the where being paid first by mircosoft and then by $OE to make the game how ever $OE just wanted a return on their money and wanted it now and forced the launch.
Flying Labs is in the same pot of oil $OE is paying them to make the game and they pay for all involved cost and likely preivous dev costs so yeah the product Pirates of the Burning Sea might be made by Flying Lab but its now paid for and owned by $OE.
and so $OE says all dev is going to be done by Flying Labs
So they are making Flying Lab do all the work while the sit back and pay the bills until about the time when they agreed the game would be released and then the game is released finished or not so they start getting a return on their money.
And that is what happened to Sigil the game was not done when $OE said they wanted it done and it was released
Now Flying Lab gave $OE a tenitive release date when they signed on with $OE they had to in order to get their money and $OE will hold them to that time frame finished or not
just about everything you said is not quite true.
EDIT: and i mean towards PotBS.
I Don't believe SOE is paying FLS's paychecks.
EDIT2: And the release by FLS said they are retaining most of the profits, since they are not financed by SOE
can you blame them? Microsoft just lost $30 MILLION dollars of investment. I wouldn't want to fund that forever only to have it come out and be a peice of crap.
Microsoft lost nothing $OE bought/paid them for Vanguardquote from interview with Ex-Sigil
edit: nothing conclusive, but you get the idea.
The only relevant history of Sony's publishing you can look at is Toontown Online. It was developed by Disney and published by SOE's Platform Publishing (same deal Flying Labs and Perpetual Entertainment have). It's the only MMORPG that Platform Publishing has helped release so far.
Find errors in Platform Publishing's distribution and marketing of Toontown Online and then go with that. If you can't, end of arguement, your opinions on the subject are not relevant.
Link to Disney's press release
Too much speculation based on misinformation and more BS.
Personally, I think Flyinglabs seems to know what they want and what they're doing moreso then anyone here so I'm taking them at their word on what's going on with SOE. It seems like they made a good deal to me.
Vanguard was a disaster cause my Sigil and no one else. Let's leave it at that.
edit: except for the guy above me. He seems to have a clue.
I was looking forward to this game too. This is horrible news...
And to explain, while I don't hate SOE, I know that something will eventually happen that will either make the game unplayable. I will, however, try it out before then.
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
There you go.
Vanguard would have been canceled if SoE didnt step in. MxO servers probably would have shut down by now if SoE didnt pick the game up.
SoE created SWG and Planetside, two games that were original and unique, both games that SoE took a chance on. The only valid bad mark on SoE IMO is the CU/NGE thing with SWG, but seriously, nobody is stupid enough to make that mistake twice, it really cost em big time, and we dont know how much LA had to do with that decision too (it makes a lot more sense to me that LA would be like 'oh look, WoW is making money, make our game like WoW, SoE!' than a vet company doing such a thing).
EQ2 is doing great, and SoE is bringing in something new once more with their spy mmorpg.
I dont have any love for big companies (especially sony, although I do have a sony dvd burner, I have never thought much of the playstation consoles compared to nintendo/xbox), but I'm not going to pretend that their products are all crap, nor am I going to pretend PotBS is a product of SoE, because it isnt.
PotBS has had new gameplay aspects added to it time and time again; they have so much funding that they have been able to expand the game over and over, taking it from a indie naval simulator into a big dog mmorpg. They originally planned an online distribution only, but PotBS has expanded majorly since then, and now they want a big release, and they need connections for that.
I dont really mind if you guys hate SoE, but gawd, give PotBS a chance before writing it off, and
definitely give it a chance before bashing it.
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Flying labs has lots of money, this has nothing to do with money. it has every thing to do with getting this game in stores. plz stop makeing this into a i hate soe threed and see the light at the end of the tunnel FL need some one to do this, with out giveing up control the only one willing to do this was SOE. so I for 1 will say thanks to SOE I really wanted to play this game and now I will be able to
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
There you go.
Is everybody still bitching about this?
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could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
There you go.
OMGDid you even read that? They are not self financed.
We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves. (but they aren't)
They sold out to $OE
This states the owner sold out as they could make the game bigger and more sucessful even though they could have done it them selves. So $OE likely paid them all their costs and the owners a few million more. But the bottom line is yeah $OE is paying and owns the game thats how they do things.
The owners cashed out the few millions they would have made but releasing the game their selves plus got their investment in the game back and likely each get a paycheck now too. For the owners its a good deal get all their money up front and a paycheck for continueing to run the game. Its good for $OE to they get another game to make $ off of and will make more then the owners could have as they already get systems set up for releasing games.
So sure the owners make money and $OE makes money but that does not mean its good for the players or the game.
could you link this release where they said they are going to be self financed or at least better reference it
because if they are self financed it would mean that $OE would have to be hand off for Pirates of the Burning Sea and that would be a very good thing. It also would mean Flying Labs could get rid of them if they cause any problems also a good thing.
There you go.
OMGDid you even read that? They are not self financed.
We have enough money to have marketed and shipped the game ourselves. (but they aren't)
They sold out to $OE
This states the owner sold out as they could make the game bigger and more sucessful even though they could have done it them selves. So $OE likely paid them all their costs and the owners a few million more. But the bottom line is yeah $OE is paying and owns the game thats how they do things.
The owners cashed out the few millions they would have made but releasing the game their selves plus got their investment in the game back and likely each get a paycheck now too. For the owners its a good deal get all their money up front and a paycheck for continueing to run the game. Its good for $OE to they get another game to make $ off of and will make more then the owners could have as they already get systems set up for releasing games.
So sure the owners make money and $OE makes money but that does not mean its good for the players or the game.
Where did it say that they sold the game to SOE? They didn't. They have a deal for SOE to market and distribute the game, and do billing, but FLS still owns the intellectual property rights, all their infrastructure, everybody still works for FLS, not SOE, and game development decisions are being made by FLS. Sorry, but you're just, you know, wrong.
SOE did not buy us. We signed a contract with them to do publishing, distribution, and billing. Our salaries are still being paid by the same people who have always paid them.
Christ. I have no problem talking about this issue with y'all, but please at least try to get a minimum level of truthiness in your posts? Please?
Not only is that logic flawed, all this is merely witch-hunting frenzy, which some enjoy, since it gives them something to do. Best ignore this, such people live by the emotional hype. Where others do Bungee jumping or drive in a rollercoaster, they make forum frenzies.
Really, just WAIT for the FRIGGIN game, and SEE how it is!
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well very poor business move, another game I will NOT play due to them signing over to $OE. grats. and I am sure many more people will follow and boycott this game, so much for a good pirate mmo, u just screwed yourself. I would not play this if you paid me to now. have fun vanguard 2.
will game companies ever learn and stop selling out to SOE and flooding the market with their crap games?
SOE did not buy us. We signed a contract with them to do publishing, distribution, and billing. Our salaries are still being paid by the same people who have always paid them.
Christ. I have no problem talking about this issue with y'all, but please at least try to get a minimum level of truthiness in your posts? Please?
LMFAO , Sigil told the same lies.Now the difference is we gotta wait what 4 or 5 months like we did for Vanguard for you to fire your devs in a parking lot and sell out to SOE publicly? B/c lets face it thats all this is , is a hidden sellout to SOE. Keep saying you did not sell out , you may keep a few people palying your game. but guess what, after all the years of playing MMOs and SOE track record, didn't you think about this...maybe you shoulda had a more reputable company logo branded on your product?
all this shows is a huge lack of caring or consideration for followers of your game and product. I for one boycott this game and any further made by you sellouts.
=SOE
I understand the concern with SOE and such due to SWG/VAN, but honestly....the people saying "omg sellouts!!!way to fail!!SOE will run you into the ground!!!" haqve you even read the details? SOE has NO HAND IN DEVELOPMENT in this game.they are purely marketing which is a good mood. The developers still own the game and wont sell the rights of the game AT ALL. So honestly i dont see the whole cryfest over this. SOE cant say no or yes to any Big changes in gameplay so no need for cryfest. It will still be an awesome MMO. I realised this after listening to the developers in the IRC chat.
So all in all....quit the bitchin.
Vanguard of the Burning $OE?
Pirates of the NGE?
I had such hopes for this game. Vanguard too... SWG at one point, some short 4 years ago. Anyone who claims they're "just the publisher" can feel free to read the Vanguard boards to see how that plays out.
Why can't any game company realize that $OE is the blood diamond of the MMO world. Anyone who cares about ethical business practices will now shun this game. Flying Labs just shot their reputation to hell by sleeping with the devil, AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT. Or if they do, they don't care.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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NOOO OMG i had such high hopes for this game, whats next, SOE will buy FLS?!?!?!? and then change it into what shayde said
"THE PIRATES OF THE NGE" i will play this game, although it goes against my SOE Boycott, i will play it and i will look passed it until i smell something phishy.
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I can't wait, last thing SOE screwed up was SWG and that game didn't have much to screw up any way. EQ2 is still one of the top games out there and I enjoy planetside. So with this game coming out station pass is looking very nice.
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Why take the time to post if you haven't made any effort to figure out what the hell you're talking about? There is a fundamental difference between the PotBS situation and that of Vanguard's which will certainly not change anyone's mind despite being a perfectly valid point: PotBS is ready to ship now. The recent delay was for contract negotiations, nothing development-related. This of course dosen't mean that FLS absolutely won't be gobbled up by SOE: if the game tanks completely, it probably will sell to them. Had they not gone to SOE for publishing, the game would have either died after tanking or would have been sold anyway, again possibly to SOE. Of course if SoE does end up buying out PotBS, there will be a major outcry, all of you would be saying you "I told you so's", ect, ect. But who really cares at that point? If the game sucks, let SoE gobble it up. It really is not a lie when FLS says that the quality of the game upon launch is their responsibility.
Another point of major frustration for me is seeing all the braindead "consumer advocates" here who won't be giving SOE their money for "ethical" reasons. Give me a break. You're all selfish consumers. Thousands of people have had terrible experiences with name-brands that you would happily endorse beacuse you personally have never had a problem with them. You don't care to research because you base everyday purchases on personal experience, which is fine. You've had a problem with SoE's billing or they ruined your favorite game? Then don't pay. But you don't get any morality points for selflessly banning yourself from an online game.