Let me try to clarify this a bit. I'm not asking what any of you as individuals would want or not want. I'm not asking what's realistic or not realistic. I'm not asking if mmorpg games should or shouldn't do this. It's really more of a human psychology question. Let me rephrase it with a little visual imagery for you all. The strength stat has a direct effect on the look of your character's body. This effect is exactly the same for male and female characters. A male character with a max strength stat will look like Arnold Shwartzenegger at the pinnacle of his body building career. Except for hair style, hair color, face, and skin tone variations. Now imagine a female character with a max strength stat. Take that same Arnold body, give it a female head, stick some boobs on it...and there you go, that's your max strength female character. Now, just for the sake of speculation, let's assume that a mmorpg worked this way. What I'm asking is would this have any significant impact on the number of people who play maximum strength female characters?
I think whenever you think of a max strength female character we all end up thinking of a woman version of arnie taking excess steroids. You wear armor in the game anyway so it'd be a bulky female, nothing wrong with a female body builder, I mean they don't have to carry pepper sprays around, lol.
This is in a world where max strength = body builder? That doesn't scream fantasy to me. That screams unimaginative graphic designers. Perhaps you take your idea of strong human male from World of Warcraft? There are many MMORPGs that do not feature "max strength" = "Arnie".
I mean seriously. How skewed is your perception of a warrior?
I highly doubt that a "max strength" fantasy character would look like Arnold Sasfasgdfhsdhdfh. The life of a body builder never includes swinging a sword around and fighting dragons with fireballs. Body Builders spend their whole lives training to be at the top of the body building game. This means that they work muscles that a warrior in the hills would never work. How many times a day do you think an warrior stops to do crunches? Not very often. They are too busy trying not to get their head caved in.
Again, I'm not asking about realism. I'm just posing a hypothetical question.
I highly doubt that a "max strength" fantasy character would look like Arnold Sasfasgdfhsdhdfh. The life of a body builder never includes swinging a sword around and fighting dragons with fireballs. Body Builders spend their whole lives training to be at the top of the body building game. This means that they work muscles that a warrior in the hills would never work. How many times a day do you think an warrior stops to do crunches? Not very often. They are too busy trying not to get their head caved in.
Again, I'm not asking about realism. I'm just posing a hypothetical question.
No. You are posting a sexist and completely assinine question. You are asking if a huge arnold woman is appealing. The answer is no. Females would not want a huge pimply acne backed butch woman with arms like tree trunks. What I am asserting is that strong people don't look like Arnold. Body builder as strongest man is a horrible way to view strength. Hell, Sumo wrestlers are strong. They don't look like body builders. Their mass is part of their strength.
that pic the girl kinda' reminds me of the bodies on NE women in wow. ya i'd play that chick shes pretty hot. how can you graphically represent intelligence or dexterity? would you want to play a pale nerdy type female or male? maybe you would because you are one.... i probably would. hmm what about agile ... i guess like gymnast's bodies that would be fine too.
yes i think its a good idea and ppl would like it. so i disagree with you i suppose. i also know many lesbians and maybe they want to play a butch female? haha. well... i thought it was funny.
that pic the girl kinda' reminds me of the bodies on NE women in wow. ya i'd play that chick shes pretty hot. how can you graphically represent intelligence or dexterity? would you want to play a pale nerdy type female or male? maybe you would because you are one.... i probably would. hmm what about agile ... i guess like gymnast's bodies that would be fine too. yes i think its a good idea and ppl would like it. so i disagree with you i suppose. i also know many lesbians and maybe they want to play a butch female? haha. well... i thought it was funny.
I hope his next thread is "If intellect were graphically represented would people play nerds?" It would ask how many people would play smart characters if they looked more and more like this with every point of intellect.
When I first posted, I was thinking more along the lines of bodybuilder, for both genders. Something like this
Which frankly scares me, cause it is kinda gross.
But I guess that is a unrealistic, seeing how in fantasy RPG there are no testosterone treatments
But still seeing the image above ( not mine the more normal girl, that I don't want to quote cause that is too big), though I understand why people may like that, I would say no I wouldn't want to play a character like that. Just not appealing to me, but apparently there are enough people who dissagree and would play a more muscular female character, so I can't see why it wouldn't work.
Really this is a question of aesthetic preferance, I don't like muscular female characters, just as I am sure most people wouldn't want to play a more plus size female character like I would.
I say the more options given to us for creating our characters the better, but maybe not force people to look a certain way just to have a certain stat, I could see that getting annoying.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
No. You are posting a sexist and completely assinine question. You are asking if a huge arnold woman is appealing. The answer is no. Females would not want a huge pimply acne backed butch woman with arms like tree trunks. What I am asserting is that strong people don't look like Arnold. Body builder as strongest man is a horrible way to view strength. Hell, Sumo wrestlers are strong. They don't look like body builders. Their mass is part of their strength.
Look, I don't know why you're getting so bent outa shape about this. I'm trying not to make any judgement calls here. I did slip up a bit in my first post when I said, "Hmmm, not so appealing" about muscular women. Ok, my mistake. I let personal bias creep into my post. I acknowledge that.
But I'm trying to be neutral and pose a legitimate question here. If we absolutely have to go down the realism road then, yes, there is a direct correlation between muscle mass and strength in the real world. I can't force you to believe that, however. Muscle definition...not so much. But muscle mass...yes.
Believe it or not as you like.
I used the Arnold example as an example. If you don't like that example then fine, cleanse it from your mind. The basic question really isn't that complicated. If for each point of strength that people add to their characters it made their characters <LOOK> stronger (whatever stronger looking means). And this worked exactly the same for male and female characters. Would it have and impact on how much strength the general mmorpg population add to their female characters?
Why is this a sexist question? I really don't understand why it's sexist. Is it sexist to have strong looking women in games? Is it sexist for me to ask if people would play strong looking women? What have I said that is sexist?
I don't even know why people even think muscles on a woman is attractive, it's disgusting. If you want to put "it" in, go find yourself a post-op with huge muscles.
Your trolls aren't even that funny. The +10 cooking for women made me smirk, but these are all so overtly offensive that you are just reaching. Go troll the Runespace thread. I'm sure you'll get some nice flame war going.
I think this is a pretty bad idea. When RPGs first came out they had these type of things. The female characters would always be wizards/mages/healers and the males would be fighters/rogues. Basically the women would have more int/dex and the males would have more str/con. How uterly boring when all the women are standing in the back and all the males are meat sheilds. It's just a game. Might as well allow women to stand on equal footing. The great thing about games is that everyone can be what they want and not have to worry about realistic limitations.
The one thing I will agree with is that games where race actually matter was nice. If you were a Gnome being a tank would be a lot more difficult then say for an Ogre or Troll. To me that makes sense and adds some variety to the game. It also leads to min/maxing, but at least there is some flavor to the races.
lol dude you like women with muscles that is just so wrong ...muscles on women just make them look more like guys, women arent designed to have muscles ...thats why the more muscular a woman is the more like man she looks like, its just an abomination of nature.
I asked this in another thread which seems to have been deleted. I was curious what people might say about it so I'm re-asking it here. What if the graphical look of characters were linked to the character's stats such that the higher your strength the more muscle bound your character looked. HIgh strength in a male character would make him look like a real life male body builder. No problem, right? And high strength on a female character would make her look like a real life female body builder. Hmmm, not so appealing. Do you think that the majority of people who play female characters would avoid a high strength stat in order to avoid the "butch" look? I'm really curious what people think about this.
I don't know what you're smoking.
I give you example A:
I'm pretty sure she has a lot of strength and I find it appealing.
She doesn't look to strong to me. She looks fit, but physically strong I am not to sure of. The evidence is all over the picture.
She is lifting a 25 lbs wieght using both hands.
Her muscles are flexed despite such a low amount of wieght.
Her neck muscles are also flexed showing even more strain.
Remember, more muscle mass is evidence of greater strength. So it really doesn't matter how tone and how much body fat a person has, it doesn't show strength if thier arms are still sticks. However, it is a good picture to advertise wieghts.
I think they should add the options to change the mass of *all* characters including females. The more customization, the better.
Personally, I wouldn't play a hercu-shes character because I do not personally like really ripped women. Then again I tend to not play female characters overall. I could see some people taking advantage of this, not because they really like strong women, but because they'd most likely be represented as transvestites in game...Say hello to the Legendary RuPaul, 50th level Warrior
Now if they added the ability for men to be kicked in the balls, and women to have random cramping and bloating for 1 week every month, that'd be quite interesting...
What ever happened to the Amazon tradition of burning/cutting off their right breast? Oh that's right...businesses know you need two equally over-sized breasts to appeal to the masses
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Actually Retrospectic, I find it a little annoying that you accuse me of being sexist for posing this question when it seems to me that YOU are the one being sexist.
You seem to assume that female characters in MMORPGs should automatically and always look like cutesy-poo barbie dolls in chainmail g-strings. That even suggesting the possiblity of strong looking women is somehow wrong of me to do.
Well what the hell man, I'm just asking a question. If it's so damn offensive to even speculate about strong looking women in games then I guess I'm completely out of touch with the current trends of political correctness.
SInce the OP asked, I would love to play female characters that looked like they'd been working out ... minus hormonal/steroidal "help". Looking strong would fit right in with the sorts of characters I play-- generally melee fighters or hybrid (caster/fighter) classes.
Put another tally mark on the side of still wanting to play high strength stat females if it showed.
... This is where I draw the line: __________________.
No. You are posting a sexist and completely assinine question. You are asking if a huge arnold woman is appealing. The answer is no. Females would not want a huge pimply acne backed butch woman with arms like tree trunks. What I am asserting is that strong people don't look like Arnold. Body builder as strongest man is a horrible way to view strength. Hell, Sumo wrestlers are strong. They don't look like body builders. Their mass is part of their strength.
Look, I don't know why you're getting so bent outa shape about this. I'm trying not to make any judgement calls here. I did slip up a bit in my first post when I said, "Hmmm, not so appealing" about muscular women. Ok, my mistake. I let personal bias creep into my post. I acknowledge that.
I'm not bent out of shape. I am just asserting that you're being sexist. You admit it here yourself. Personal bias is fine as long as you don't go and offend people by being complete incorrect and ignorant.
But I'm trying to be neutral and pose a legitimate question here. If we absolutely have to go down the realism road then, yes, there is a direct correlation between muscle mass and strength in the real world. I can't force you to believe that, however. Muscle definition...not so much. But muscle mass...yes.
I agree. That's why I posted Christian Bale as Batman and the hefty strong man.
Believe it or not as you like.
I used the Arnold example as an example. If you don't like that example then fine, cleanse it from your mind. The basic question really isn't that complicated. If for each point of strength that people add to their characters it made their characters <LOOK> stronger (whatever stronger looking means). And this worked exactly the same for male and female characters. Would it have and impact on how much strength the general mmorpg population add to their female characters?
If you wanted to do this justice you would have to find out what real strong women and men look like. The media interpretation of strength (arnold) and the real (lumberjack) are vastly different. Although both are not physically appealing they are much more accurate to points in strength. Lumberjacks are strong. Lumberjacks most of the time to not oil themselves up and pose.
Why is this a sexist question? I really don't understand why it's sexist. Is it sexist to have strong looking women in games? Is it sexist for me to ask if people would play strong looking women? What have I said that is sexist?
The comment you pointed out is sexist. An unbiased question would have been a lot more interesting. Perhaps work on the way you author posts. Something along the lines of "Would you like strength to change the personal appear of you character?" would be enough to strike up conversation. Then you could comment with some horribly biased post about muscle bound women that look nothing like real strong women.
I'll reply to this since the other post is just you being angry.
Actually Retrospectic, I find it a little annoying that you accuse me of being sexist for posing this question when it seems to me that YOU are the one being sexist. You seem to assume that female characters in MMORPGs should automatically and always look like cutesy-poo barbie dolls in chainmail g-strings. That even suggesting the possiblity of strong looking women is somehow wrong of me to do. Well what the hell man, I'm just asking a question. If it's so damn offensive to even speculate about strong looking women in games then I guess I'm completely out of touch with the current trends of political correctness.
I am all for visually appealing avatars. I think City of Heroes and Star Wars Galaxies both have great avatar customization options. If you want a beefy muscular woman you can have it.
I don't think being strong with huge muscles looks good on anyone. On both guys or females...I prefer the more medium built/skinny look. Thats just my opinion so...and if it was ever graphically represented I would always play a mage character or an assassin/rogue, on both male and female characters.
I don't even know why people even think muscles on a woman is attractive, it's disgusting. If you want to put "it" in, go find yourself a post-op with huge muscles.
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Anything wrong with them 2? no, so wtf is wrong with a woman body building. I'm tired of all this stupid sexist crap. You know, some asian muslim girls go college and uni get a nice degree and their parents decide she needs to get married she's a house maid for the rest of here life, wtf was the point of the first 18 years of her life then?
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I asked this in another thread which seems to have been deleted. I was curious what people might say about it so I'm re-asking it here. What if the graphical look of characters were linked to the character's stats such that the higher your strength the more muscle bound your character looked. HIgh strength in a male character would make him look like a real life male body builder. No problem, right? And high strength on a female character would make her look like a real life female body builder. Hmmm, not so appealing. Do you think that the majority of people who play female characters would avoid a high strength stat in order to avoid the "butch" look? I'm really curious what people think about this.
I read a 'few' responses but I'm responding to YOUR question.
Believe it or not, you have a very biased take on people in general, much less women. Posting what you did AND admiting you did so in another thread that "seems to have been deleted".
Well gee, I wonder why. Your statements are borderline offending and assume that men and women see things like you do.
You obviousely don't follow body building to any extent. There are some very fine looking women that have achieved the highest ranks of contest in the sport.
But what makes me laugh is to suppose people would 'avoid' the '"butch" look'.....can you say homophob!
I think you are really curious to know if the way YOU think is different than the majority of people as a whole.
It's no wonder your first post "seems to have been deleted".
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I think whenever you think of a max strength female character we all end up thinking of a woman version of arnie taking excess steroids. You wear armor in the game anyway so it'd be a bulky female, nothing wrong with a female body builder, I mean they don't have to carry pepper sprays around, lol.
This is in a world where max strength = body builder? That doesn't scream fantasy to me. That screams unimaginative graphic designers. Perhaps you take your idea of strong human male from World of Warcraft? There are many MMORPGs that do not feature "max strength" = "Arnie".
I mean seriously. How skewed is your perception of a warrior?
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Again, I'm not asking about realism. I'm just posing a hypothetical question.
Batman. Very strong. Nothing like ARNOLD
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
One of the finalist for "World's Strongest Man". Nothing like Arnold. Note the stomach.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
Again, I'm not asking about realism. I'm just posing a hypothetical question.
No. You are posting a sexist and completely assinine question. You are asking if a huge arnold woman is appealing. The answer is no. Females would not want a huge pimply acne backed butch woman with arms like tree trunks. What I am asserting is that strong people don't look like Arnold. Body builder as strongest man is a horrible way to view strength. Hell, Sumo wrestlers are strong. They don't look like body builders. Their mass is part of their strength.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
that pic the girl kinda' reminds me of the bodies on NE women in wow. ya i'd play that chick shes pretty hot. how can you graphically represent intelligence or dexterity? would you want to play a pale nerdy type female or male? maybe you would because you are one.... i probably would. hmm what about agile ... i guess like gymnast's bodies that would be fine too.
yes i think its a good idea and ppl would like it. so i disagree with you i suppose. i also know many lesbians and maybe they want to play a butch female? haha. well... i thought it was funny.
die.
I hope his next thread is "If intellect were graphically represented would people play nerds?" It would ask how many people would play smart characters if they looked more and more like this with every point of intellect.
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When I first posted, I was thinking more along the lines of bodybuilder, for both genders. Something like this
Which frankly scares me, cause it is kinda gross.
But I guess that is a unrealistic, seeing how in fantasy RPG there are no testosterone treatments
But still seeing the image above ( not mine the more normal girl, that I don't want to quote cause that is too big), though I understand why people may like that, I would say no I wouldn't want to play a character like that. Just not appealing to me, but apparently there are enough people who dissagree and would play a more muscular female character, so I can't see why it wouldn't work.
Really this is a question of aesthetic preferance, I don't like muscular female characters, just as I am sure most people wouldn't want to play a more plus size female character like I would.
I say the more options given to us for creating our characters the better, but maybe not force people to look a certain way just to have a certain stat, I could see that getting annoying.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Look, I don't know why you're getting so bent outa shape about this. I'm trying not to make any judgement calls here. I did slip up a bit in my first post when I said, "Hmmm, not so appealing" about muscular women. Ok, my mistake. I let personal bias creep into my post. I acknowledge that.
But I'm trying to be neutral and pose a legitimate question here. If we absolutely have to go down the realism road then, yes, there is a direct correlation between muscle mass and strength in the real world. I can't force you to believe that, however. Muscle definition...not so much. But muscle mass...yes.
Believe it or not as you like.
I used the Arnold example as an example. If you don't like that example then fine, cleanse it from your mind. The basic question really isn't that complicated. If for each point of strength that people add to their characters it made their characters <LOOK> stronger (whatever stronger looking means). And this worked exactly the same for male and female characters. Would it have and impact on how much strength the general mmorpg population add to their female characters?
Why is this a sexist question? I really don't understand why it's sexist. Is it sexist to have strong looking women in games? Is it sexist for me to ask if people would play strong looking women? What have I said that is sexist?
Your trolls aren't even that funny. The +10 cooking for women made me smirk, but these are all so overtly offensive that you are just reaching. Go troll the Runespace thread. I'm sure you'll get some nice flame war going.
Sorry Muscle man.
I think this is a pretty bad idea. When RPGs first came out they had these type of things. The female characters would always be wizards/mages/healers and the males would be fighters/rogues. Basically the women would have more int/dex and the males would have more str/con. How uterly boring when all the women are standing in the back and all the males are meat sheilds. It's just a game. Might as well allow women to stand on equal footing. The great thing about games is that everyone can be what they want and not have to worry about realistic limitations.
The one thing I will agree with is that games where race actually matter was nice. If you were a Gnome being a tank would be a lot more difficult then say for an Ogre or Troll. To me that makes sense and adds some variety to the game. It also leads to min/maxing, but at least there is some flavor to the races.
lol dude you like women with muscles that is just so wrong ...muscles on women just make them look more like guys, women arent designed to have muscles ...thats why the more muscular a woman is the more like man she looks like, its just an abomination of nature.
she is scary. maybe like bodybuilders that don't use body enhancing substances or something
you wouldn't play a crazy nerdy guy spell caster type? i think that guy in robes would be amusing...
die.
I give you example A:
I'm pretty sure she has a lot of strength and I find it appealing.
She doesn't look to strong to me. She looks fit, but physically strong I am not to sure of. The evidence is all over the picture.
Remember, more muscle mass is evidence of greater strength. So it really doesn't matter how tone and how much body fat a person has, it doesn't show strength if thier arms are still sticks. However, it is a good picture to advertise wieghts.
Also quoted so you can see her again.
I think they should add the options to change the mass of *all* characters including females. The more customization, the better.
Personally, I wouldn't play a hercu-shes character because I do not personally like really ripped women. Then again I tend to not play female characters overall. I could see some people taking advantage of this, not because they really like strong women, but because they'd most likely be represented as transvestites in game...Say hello to the Legendary RuPaul, 50th level Warrior
Now if they added the ability for men to be kicked in the balls, and women to have random cramping and bloating for 1 week every month, that'd be quite interesting...
What ever happened to the Amazon tradition of burning/cutting off their right breast? Oh that's right...businesses know you need two equally over-sized breasts to appeal to the masses
i want my pixelated chicks hot
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if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
Actually Retrospectic, I find it a little annoying that you accuse me of being sexist for posing this question when it seems to me that YOU are the one being sexist.
You seem to assume that female characters in MMORPGs should automatically and always look like cutesy-poo barbie dolls in chainmail g-strings. That even suggesting the possiblity of strong looking women is somehow wrong of me to do.
Well what the hell man, I'm just asking a question. If it's so damn offensive to even speculate about strong looking women in games then I guess I'm completely out of touch with the current trends of political correctness.
SInce the OP asked, I would love to play female characters that looked like they'd been working out ... minus hormonal/steroidal "help".
Looking strong would fit right in with the sorts of characters I play-- generally melee fighters or hybrid (caster/fighter) classes.
Put another tally mark on the side of still wanting to play high strength stat females if it showed.
...
This is where I draw the line: __________________.
Yes, I would, in a heartbeat. In fact, I would prefer that look for my female warrior instead of some silly feminine giant-titted bimbo with a sword.
Look, I don't know why you're getting so bent outa shape about this. I'm trying not to make any judgement calls here. I did slip up a bit in my first post when I said, "Hmmm, not so appealing" about muscular women. Ok, my mistake. I let personal bias creep into my post. I acknowledge that.
I'm not bent out of shape. I am just asserting that you're being sexist. You admit it here yourself. Personal bias is fine as long as you don't go and offend people by being complete incorrect and ignorant.
But I'm trying to be neutral and pose a legitimate question here. If we absolutely have to go down the realism road then, yes, there is a direct correlation between muscle mass and strength in the real world. I can't force you to believe that, however. Muscle definition...not so much. But muscle mass...yes.
I agree. That's why I posted Christian Bale as Batman and the hefty strong man.
Believe it or not as you like.
I used the Arnold example as an example. If you don't like that example then fine, cleanse it from your mind. The basic question really isn't that complicated. If for each point of strength that people add to their characters it made their characters <LOOK> stronger (whatever stronger looking means). And this worked exactly the same for male and female characters. Would it have and impact on how much strength the general mmorpg population add to their female characters?
If you wanted to do this justice you would have to find out what real strong women and men look like. The media interpretation of strength (arnold) and the real (lumberjack) are vastly different. Although both are not physically appealing they are much more accurate to points in strength. Lumberjacks are strong. Lumberjacks most of the time to not oil themselves up and pose.
Why is this a sexist question? I really don't understand why it's sexist. Is it sexist to have strong looking women in games? Is it sexist for me to ask if people would play strong looking women? What have I said that is sexist?
The comment you pointed out is sexist. An unbiased question would have been a lot more interesting. Perhaps work on the way you author posts. Something along the lines of "Would you like strength to change the personal appear of you character?" would be enough to strike up conversation. Then you could comment with some horribly biased post about muscle bound women that look nothing like real strong women.
I'll reply to this since the other post is just you being angry.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
I am all for visually appealing avatars. I think City of Heroes and Star Wars Galaxies both have great avatar customization options. If you want a beefy muscular woman you can have it.
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I don't think being strong with huge muscles looks good on anyone. On both guys or females...I prefer the more medium built/skinny look. Thats just my opinion so...and if it was ever graphically represented I would always play a mage character or an assassin/rogue, on both male and female characters.
Just my 2cents.
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Anything wrong with them 2? no, so wtf is wrong with a woman body building. I'm tired of all this stupid sexist crap. You know, some asian muslim girls go college and uni get a nice degree and their parents decide she needs to get married she's a house maid for the rest of here life, wtf was the point of the first 18 years of her life then?
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
Believe it or not, you have a very biased take on people in general, much less women. Posting what you did AND admiting you did so in another thread that "seems to have been deleted".
Well gee, I wonder why. Your statements are borderline offending and assume that men and women see things like you do.
You obviousely don't follow body building to any extent. There are some very fine looking women that have achieved the highest ranks of contest in the sport.
But what makes me laugh is to suppose people would 'avoid' the '"butch" look'.....can you say homophob!
I think you are really curious to know if the way YOU think is different than the majority of people as a whole.
It's no wonder your first post "seems to have been deleted".
It's a game, not real life......
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