WoW won't die for a long time yet. You make some presumptions (a) that WAR will be good- it has yet to prove this (b) that WoW won't release an expansion which will improve the game (c) that the majority of WoW players are aware of the upcomming of WAR. (d) Do people want to quit their high level character and all their knowledge in WoW for starting over in WAR?
And lastly you forget half of WoW's audience is an Asian audience. Will War release in Asia?
I do not know much about WAR but if it is not casual friendly then it will not come close to touching WOW. Just like every other non-causual games out there. Non-causal friendly games have to realize that their numbers are always going to be lower than casual friendly games.
I do not know much about WAR but if it is not casual friendly then it will not come close to touching WOW. Just like every other non-causual games out there. Non-causal friendly games have to realize that their numbers are always going to be lower than casual friendly games.
My opinion is that WAR is very casual freindly as there is no heavy grinding for rep and/or gear.That includes attunes and what not. In WAR, you could log on for an hour, do a couple of public quests if you want and thereby gain some loot for yourself and some points for your faction's RVR efforts. You won't lose out by doing this, but you will help your faction as any points you gain go into the central "pool" of points.
Anyway, I think both these games will be played by the same people mostly.
People also said DAoC was casual friendly...but I do not know about WAR because I have not played. So it just depends on if the time one can log in on WAR and play after work and before the kids start wanting attention or the wife or what-not, is that time enough to make one feel like they have accomplished something worthwhile in the game...or have I just wasted my time and really achieved nothing that makes me feel like my character is better than before I logged in.
Its not really much a debate all your poll will show is how many ex-wow players read these boards.
Now as for WAR... its just more of the same. there wont BE a wow killer till someone Does something new... and that new wont be more orcs elves swords and scorcery.... it will have to be SCIFI or modern setting... anything else is just more of the same. Anyone that says ..ohhhh war will be great its this ..its that... its more of the same ... dont lie to yourself.. your still pixel trying to get plate/leather armor and swords muskets and spells to complete quests.... or to pvp ....
Till there is a gret Sci FI game.. that has new non class based system...pretty much what OLD pre NGE star wars was... nothing will threaten or slow down WOW... cause untill then...your just playing more of the same,,and IF im going to play the same stuff...might as well be on my characters I have now..with the guild I have now, and achieve teh goals I have in this game.
Actually current WoW player here leaving as soon as WAR is available to me. ie beta if I get in if not retail.
There will be no WoW killer much the same way that no other game has 'killed' off any other. I've been playing MMO's for a long while and the only thing that causes a game to die is a lack of subs. And to date all the 'big' games no matter how old still have subs rolling in. yes people still play EQ. Yes people stillp lay DAoC. Hell some even lament old time UO before the changes. And that is what kills a game. When thos4e who hold the power change a game so greatly that a player simply gets up and leaves.
Anything can be reduced to 'it's just all pixels" even your oh so great scifi saviour. Simple fact is WAR will be mainly a RvR game. People who enjoyed DAoC and want to return to the fun that could be found in RvR will go to WAR. Those who are new to the MMO market due to saturation by WoW may go look at something new. if you knew much about the MMO market you'd realise that the main thing we have is a cross pollenization of game types. WoW is offering an asian market a style of game that to date they haven't had access to. And going the same way are some fine asian mmo's that are breaking into the western market and drawing subs away from western mmo's.
Much in the way this is happening so to will WAR offer those of us in the market who are tired of having repetitive intermittent reward systems thrown at us a game where we can go and have some good fun with our online/offline mates. And that at the end of the day is the thing that draws a lot of people I've spoken to into a games anyway. The communities and friends they play with.
WoW is over for some. Some of us are still about because we want to stay in contact with our friends and still others are trying a lot of new and different games so as to hopefully find something we can draw our friends to so we can continue to play online. Guilds will migrate to WAR. And that is simple enough proof for me as to why many people play and continue to log in.
People also said DAoC was casual friendly...but I do not know about WAR because I have not played. So it just depends on if the time one can log in on WAR and play after work and before the kids start wanting attention or the wife or what-not, is that time enough to make one feel like they have accomplished something worthwhile in the game...or have I just wasted my time and really achieved nothing that makes me feel like my character is better than before I logged in.
Well... therein lies a problem. WAR is very much more team based than solo based. In WAR the GOAL is to win the war by capturing the enemy city. Everything in the game is aimed at the RVR fight, even the guy who is questing all on his own in a corner of the map is helping his faction, whether he knows/cares or not.
So do I think you can acheive improvement of your toon? Yes I do, but you will never improve it enough to be uber geared over other players. The game is not set up that way. At end game, I expect all the toons to be roughly equel in gear. They may all look different (I hope they do) but they will all have similar stats on their gear. The only way to be "better" than others is to be faster or know your skills better. In other words, its you as a player that makes your toon better than others.
With 8.5 million players how can WoW possibly die out in a month, or even a year for that matter. When WAR releases, Blizzard will most likely lose alot of subscribers but obviously they wont die out. It'll still be around for many years to come. Although my prediction is that WAR's numbers, seeing how many beta applicants there were, will surpass WoW probably after about one and a half years, maybe 2 depending on how great the game will be.
dude, 200k beta applications is NOTHING.
Lotro had over a million beta apps, WoW's beta I can't remember but it was well over 200k.
So, I can't see how you can predict the success of a game from its beta applications numbers anyhow as applying to a beta cost nothing
To 8.5 millions. It is Accounts, not players, yes. But people with multiple accounts exist in all games and it has always been accounts, not players. in all games.
So what does it matters?
I also believe most people have 1 account, especially the casual. like me, my wife and all my friends
200k beta apps was in 10 days btw... which FYI is a huge amount. It's even higher now. And when i say that WAR's number will surpass WoW i mean after so many WoW players will leave for other games as well, such as AoC or Aion or whatever other games suit their interest. In the end, that could only mean like 1-2 million people.
I cannot truly answer the question of whether WAR will prevail over WoW, I do think many people will leave WoW for WAR but then find out that are not two entirely different games and people will go back to WoW. But I think that this will be a never ending battle from here on out when WAR comes out with an expansion people once again will ask? IS IT THE END OF WoW? The truth is NO. When WAR comes out it will not kill WoW, it may take some good hits but nothing close to the death of it. But there is only one game that I cn truly think of that will kill WoW and WAR. And that is (WoS) World of Starcraft, which I have heard will be coming out...What is AoC?
I have also heard by watching many of the you tube videos that WAR might be presented on some consoles, but they haven't got that deep into any of that yet...If it does come out on the console/consoles then I will have to say many more people will play WAR, In my opinion but still not the death of WoW. WAR will then hold the top game for the consoles for sure. WoW may hold it for PC but WAR could hold 2nd on PC and 1st on Consoles...
Actually current WoW player here leaving as soon as WAR is available to me. ie beta if I get in if not retail.
Well I truth is I know the market very well.. Been playing over 5 years. Do ALOT of beta testing, Was with SWG thru all the bull until NGE went live then left them.
Im a forum Moderator for Codemaster online RF division. I think I might have a idea of what the MMO market is like. Dont think that WAR is bringing any new Ideas out, they are copying other games, that fact alone will be there downfall.
I seen the screen shots, I think the graphics are at best, on par, and for WOW thats cool cause its a 3 year old game, or SWG cause its a 5 year old game, for something coming out 2008 Its a very bad indication.
Vanguard and Lord of the Rings was the same way, Great Ideas, lots of ppl including myself beta tested them. But what happened when they went live..
So many games .. all have great Ideas. WAR dont even have that, it has other peoples Ideas, RvR... umm have you played on a PVP server in WoW, have you played RF on-line?
Global war and commuinty dependece only sound like a great Idea, till you realize you dont have a team or a race you have 10,000 guys that all think they should be in charge.
Age of conan, was the big hype... till its code was so messed up so many ideas at once that they had to start all over from step 1.
Yes Alot of vets have played wow 3 years, and no matter what anyone says they all ready have there mind set, they want more, they want a new game after 3 years. Thats fine, have that opinion, but to say WOW sucks or that NONE of us will continue to enjoy it just shows close mindedness.
I been looking for a game to fill my heart since NGE ruined SWG and I have not found it. But that dont meen I have to go arround and Find reasons to Hate every game, I have alot of fun in WOW because its not a job I can play 1 hour a week or 18 hours day, both ways you reach the same end game, it meets all basic needs of a RPG game.
If I want to solo I can, cool.. I can just ignore allies or what ever, when I want to pvp I can go and PVP. I dont have to sit in safe zone and beg some high levels to come help me Just to step out side of town like some other RvR games.
I cant say no more, people will try it, and find out for themself. The TOPIC questionwasIs it over? the answer is No.
Argue all you want on every other point other then that if you want, I answered the topic and I believe it, War, AOC, or sword of a new world, none of them will kill WOW or Hurt it in anyway. Just cause you try another game dont meen you cancel all others, it is possible to do more then one thing at a time.
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The golden era of WoW is over. It will be a steady decline from here. The remaining holdouts will be people who can't upgrade PCs or are addicted to their gear and don't want to let go of their uber characters, or just fanbois. WoW will not fade away for a long time though. It will just be a 2nd tier game for a time while all the other new games take center stage and eventually WoW just disappears. It was fun while it lasted though, and the MMO world owes it to WoW for raising the bar when it did!
- Phos
Totally agree. It had it's hayday and in a sense you have to give them props. I know I do.
None of the upcoming games have any new Ideas to them,
tehre not raisng the bar, its a new skin on a old game.
TBH, if I want to re roll a new toon doing the same stuff... I'll make a new one on wow and at least have my guild all ready here.
Dont fool yourselves, WAR and AOC are not doing new ideas, just marketing openly ideas of exsisting games. JUST ask SWG if copying other games formats and ideas will make you a BIG sucess? lol
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
miatakaSo many games .. all have great Ideas. WAR dont even have that, it has other peoples Ideas, RvR... umm have you played on a PVP server in WoW, have you played RF on-line?
Well ive been around for a long time and ive played alot of mmo. For you to say that WAR useing other companies idea's
of the RVR factor ... did you not look at the Company that is makeing the game ,Mythic more or less as perfected the RVR/PVP
gameing ,and Mythic has had RVR/PVP there MUDD's before GUI came about .. If anything WOW is useing someone's else ideas.
and yes there is a lot of games with Great ideas..
but to the OP's question naa its not going to kill it
list of games (Beta/nonbeta)
AC2,PS,SWG(all x-pack),AO,EVE,TSO,EQ, Shadowbane,Lineage2,SecondLife, Autoassult,D.D.O,GW,Horizon and ROSE
i have accounts for all the games that ive Beta,plus
EQ2,DAOC,UO COX,Rappelz ,Space cowboy,WOW,Matrix ,THERE and Lineage
Yes i know that my posting record is low but ive been Member since 02/04
but never posted till now
Forgot to add VGSOH to the list of games that ive played and still play
miatakaSo many games .. all have great Ideas. WAR dont even have that, it has other peoples Ideas, RvR... umm have you played on a PVP server in WoW, have you played RF on-line? Well ive been around for a long time and ive played alot of mmo. For you to say that WAR useing other companies idea's of the RVR factor ... did you not look at the Company that is makeing the game ,Mythic more or less as perfected the RVR/PVP gameing ,and Mythic has had RVR/PVP there MUDD's before GUI came about .. If anything WOW is useing someone's else ideas. and yes there is a lot of games with Great ideas.. but to the OP's question naa its not going to kill it
yup we agree that no game will kill wow.
I also agree that wow was based on other Ideas, the argument is that they done a pretty good job , its simplistic, straight forward gameplay, you dont have to be a elitist in the "top guild" to even survive.
Maybe there is people that want that and feel some need to prove there self worth in a game. But I for one dont have any of those desires? I dont need to feel supior to anyone, I like a game like WOW that I can play a few hours a day and Im going to have really great gear, and have fun doing Battlegrounds at my time and choosing, and to be able to play end game content with out having to spend 2 years Raiding enemy cities.
It just depends on what a person finds fun, or entertaining. Some people have very little to no control over what happens in there real life, and over compensate that in games by wanting to control every lil aspect and dominate everyone arround them and be in that elite supiror class guild.
Some people, like myself. Just want to relax and have fun, play at my own pace and not worry about What city to raid, or not being able to quest cause there is 100 enemy players outside the city. Or Have to be in a guild just to do 1 quest.
none of that sounds FUN to me... I like WoW cause its not full of game breaking bugs, is consistant, old school D&D dice game style RPG game that is get quest ... get loot.. get levels. THAT is what a RPG is. being part a army and attacking cities is too close to real life, I dont play games to experiance real life events.
I want fantasy , orcs, elves , doing quests, killing Dragons, hunting thieves down that stole stuff from Joe NPC guy. and when I feel like some PVP I can enter a battleground where I dont have to worry about being level 39 and fighting 7 or 8 guys level 70... no were all arround a reasonable ammount of level.
And now they even have the PVP gear matching system so its rare for non twinks to fight Kitted out decked PUG teams.
What can I say, WOW meets my entertainment needs. appently 8.5 million other people happen to aggree.
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WoW will be around for a long time to come. However, for someone to say that WAR is bringing no new concepts to the MMO genre assuming they deliver as they have announced, I can only guess that the individual hasn't read much of WAR's newsletters/podcasts etc. I for one look forward to a great apparent change. Games in the future will have to be better than the last 'Best Game'. If WAR delivers as stated, they will be the NEXT 'Great Game', IMO
WoW will be around for a long time to come. However, for someone to say that WAR is bringing no new concepts to the MMO genre assuming they deliver as they have announced, I can only guess that the individual hasn't read much of WAR's newsletters/podcasts etc. I for one look forward to a great apparent change. Games in the future will have to be better than the last 'Best Game'. If WAR delivers as stated, they will be the NEXT 'Great Game', IMO
there concepts are all ready done in other games. and guess what. Its not that fun in actual application . you will see once you try it.
Wanting something new is fine, I want that too, I just see nothing new in WAR that hasnt been done all ready and ther graphics are feel bland and lack creativity Im on there mailing list and read there news letters.
Im just not easily fooled by tossing on a "new " innovative Idea label and rolling with it.
RF online has had most of what war is saying it will do and they been arround a few years.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
WoW will be around for a long time to come. However, for someone to say that WAR is bringing no new concepts to the MMO genre assuming they deliver as they have announced, I can only guess that the individual hasn't read much of WAR's newsletters/podcasts etc. I for one look forward to a great apparent change. Games in the future will have to be better than the last 'Best Game'. If WAR delivers as stated, they will be the NEXT 'Great Game', IMO
there concepts are all ready done in other games. and guess what. Its not that fun in actual application . you will see once you try it.
Wanting something new is fine, I want that too, I just see nothing new in WAR that hasnt been done all ready and ther graphics are feel bland and lack creativity Im on there mailing list and read there news letters.
Im just not easily fooled by tossing on a "new " innovative Idea label and rolling with it.
RF online has had most of what war is saying it will do and they been arround a few years.
As you say, Mia it's not wise to accept what gaming companies say before you 'test the product'. I agree. I've been in MMOs since the mid-90s starting with Yserbius way back when. I've burned through every game on your tag and a long list of additionals so I do know quite that quite well.
I am curious though. You say that the concepts are already done in other games and they arent that fun in application. Granted that some of the base ideas arent new, like the Tome of Kinowledge giving a 'life history'. What game does that? Elder Scrolls (not that it is an MMO) and it's latter day run-outs. However, if you take all the base concepts, shine them up, add new twists and then add them to a sharable game for hundreds and thousands of new players...well you have a nice new 'package' indeed!
WoWs base concepts taken as individual components aren't/weren't new (even when they were new to WoW) either. Kill. Grind.Party. Some solo, some party. Do over next level. I believe that WAR will be the next front runner once it comes out and WoWs player based will drop off substantially when it occurs. Many will stay, some will not for one reason or another. WoW will be around for a long long time yet (example is L2 which dropped and is still dropping daily) but it's on the decline.
Anyways, thats what I see in the offing come the advent of WAR. Thanks for reading the post!
My point is in the fact there ideas no matter how many sources they get them from are still someone elses ideas, and Yes I agree and have said it as well... WOW was not inventor, they just did it in a way that leaves alot to teh player to use as they wish.
Like I said many times. Nothing will really dent WOW , the fact there are more and more and more people everyday just because of TBC in itself will out wiegh how many people leave for WAR.
If you want that community war time thing ...great go for it... Nothing wrong with it. But it wont effect WOW and that is what the topic is.
Only thing that will truely hurt WOW is
1) if SWG rolled back pre NGE
2) When blizz launches Star craft MMO
Till then shiney ribbons on old ideas wont effect WOW
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Really now, folks. With Blizzards reputation and the extreme success of World of Warcraft. How can you honestly scream "WoW Killer!" at everything that pops up on the charts. Truthfully? There probably will be no World of Warcraft killer. Its the most honest truth you can find in all of this BS. No, i'm not a WoW Fan, or addicted to the game... i've played it... i've subscribed and unsubscribed... but I also know of WoW's subscriber numbers. Like i said in another post on these forums... WoW is in it's golden age. Its a mature game. Its no longer new and exciting to the masses. Its just whats out there to play right now, and with its historic reputation involving the gaming community... it won't die because of one particular event in the gaming industry.
World of Warcraft has already begun its fall into oblivion, but don't get upset and scream at me for saying that. You don't have to worry, as it won't be gone for a very good while. Its going to be around for a bit longer.. so you've still got plenty of time to play.
Everything in this world has an end, and World of Warcraft will certainly be no exception. Eventually the gaming community will grow tired and weary of the Warcraft theme within the MMO world and decide to move onto the next giant. World of Warcraft has seen its best days and is living the good lfe right now. I'd go as far to say its retired. No longer does it have to compete with other games, no longer does the company really have to push its advertisement and worry about subscription numbers. Its in the green, and couldn't be happier. But in time it will dwindle and fall. Just as every other game has. With a beginning comes an eventual end. There is nothing we, nor blizzard, nor your holy diety can do about it. Life has a cycle... whether you're organic or virtual.
Enjoy the game while you can, and when it finally is laid to rest. Move onto the next game with good intentions and enjoy that one with saved memories to cherrish of World of Warcraft.
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I don't play a big amount of MMORPG's at this point in time only because I do not yet have my amazing computer but I do itend to play WAR when it is available on the market, so correct me if I'm wrong here but...This really bothers me when people say WAR is bringing nothing new to the table. Public Quests. (and thats just one of the many) I also have a problem that one of you said that WAR is to realistic? Whats that? Your playing as an Orc, along with using magic how much more unrealistic can you get? You don't like fighting in wars thats your whole problem with realism in games...So then that means You Don't like RTS games you shouldn't like games with humans in it either. Call of Duty is out of the picture then Every game at some point has somewhat of an amount of War in it. Without that it just wouldn't be lame, I mean you have to fight someone/something don't you?
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WoW won't die for a long time yet.
You make some presumptions
(a) that WAR will be good- it has yet to prove this
(b) that WoW won't release an expansion which will improve the game
(c) that the majority of WoW players are aware of the upcomming of WAR.
(d) Do people want to quit their high level character and all their knowledge in WoW for starting over in WAR?
And lastly you forget half of WoW's audience is an Asian audience. Will War release in Asia?
Not a WoW fan by any means but lets be realistic.
I do not know much about WAR but if it is not casual friendly then it will not come close to touching WOW. Just like every other non-causual games out there. Non-causal friendly games have to realize that their numbers are always going to be lower than casual friendly games.
My opinion is that WAR is very casual freindly as there is no heavy grinding for rep and/or gear.That includes attunes and what not. In WAR, you could log on for an hour, do a couple of public quests if you want and thereby gain some loot for yourself and some points for your faction's RVR efforts. You won't lose out by doing this, but you will help your faction as any points you gain go into the central "pool" of points.
Anyway, I think both these games will be played by the same people mostly.
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People also said DAoC was casual friendly...but I do not know about WAR because I have not played. So it just depends on if the time one can log in on WAR and play after work and before the kids start wanting attention or the wife or what-not, is that time enough to make one feel like they have accomplished something worthwhile in the game...or have I just wasted my time and really achieved nothing that makes me feel like my character is better than before I logged in.
Actually current WoW player here leaving as soon as WAR is available to me. ie beta if I get in if not retail.
There will be no WoW killer much the same way that no other game has 'killed' off any other. I've been playing MMO's for a long while and the only thing that causes a game to die is a lack of subs. And to date all the 'big' games no matter how old still have subs rolling in. yes people still play EQ. Yes people stillp lay DAoC. Hell some even lament old time UO before the changes. And that is what kills a game. When thos4e who hold the power change a game so greatly that a player simply gets up and leaves.
Anything can be reduced to 'it's just all pixels" even your oh so great scifi saviour. Simple fact is WAR will be mainly a RvR game. People who enjoyed DAoC and want to return to the fun that could be found in RvR will go to WAR. Those who are new to the MMO market due to saturation by WoW may go look at something new. if you knew much about the MMO market you'd realise that the main thing we have is a cross pollenization of game types. WoW is offering an asian market a style of game that to date they haven't had access to. And going the same way are some fine asian mmo's that are breaking into the western market and drawing subs away from western mmo's.
Much in the way this is happening so to will WAR offer those of us in the market who are tired of having repetitive intermittent reward systems thrown at us a game where we can go and have some good fun with our online/offline mates. And that at the end of the day is the thing that draws a lot of people I've spoken to into a games anyway. The communities and friends they play with.
WoW is over for some. Some of us are still about because we want to stay in contact with our friends and still others are trying a lot of new and different games so as to hopefully find something we can draw our friends to so we can continue to play online. Guilds will migrate to WAR. And that is simple enough proof for me as to why many people play and continue to log in.
Well... therein lies a problem. WAR is very much more team based than solo based. In WAR the GOAL is to win the war by capturing the enemy city. Everything in the game is aimed at the RVR fight, even the guy who is questing all on his own in a corner of the map is helping his faction, whether he knows/cares or not.
So do I think you can acheive improvement of your toon? Yes I do, but you will never improve it enough to be uber geared over other players. The game is not set up that way. At end game, I expect all the toons to be roughly equel in gear. They may all look different (I hope they do) but they will all have similar stats on their gear. The only way to be "better" than others is to be faster or know your skills better. In other words, its you as a player that makes your toon better than others.
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AKA Tohrment
Proud member of Damned Souls since 2007.
http://www.damnedsouls.eu
I predict that in a month, Brad McQuaid will release a new expansion for... Horizons! It'll kill WoW for sure!
Yeah, I know - absurd, but no less absurd than saying that WAR will kill WoW
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Lotro had over a million beta apps, WoW's beta I can't remember but it was well over 200k.
So, I can't see how you can predict the success of a game from its beta applications numbers anyhow as applying to a beta cost nothing
To 8.5 millions. It is Accounts, not players, yes. But people with multiple accounts exist in all games and it has always been accounts, not players. in all games.
So what does it matters?
I also believe most people have 1 account, especially the casual. like me, my wife and all my friends
200k beta apps was in 10 days btw... which FYI is a huge amount. It's even higher now. And when i say that WAR's number will surpass WoW i mean after so many WoW players will leave for other games as well, such as AoC or Aion or whatever other games suit their interest. In the end, that could only mean like 1-2 million people.
I cannot truly answer the question of whether WAR will prevail over WoW, I do think many people will leave WoW for WAR but then find out that are not two entirely different games and people will go back to WoW. But I think that this will be a never ending battle from here on out when WAR comes out with an expansion people once again will ask? IS IT THE END OF WoW? The truth is NO. When WAR comes out it will not kill WoW, it may take some good hits but nothing close to the death of it. But there is only one game that I cn truly think of that will kill WoW and WAR. And that is (WoS) World of Starcraft, which I have heard will be coming out...What is AoC?
I have also heard by watching many of the you tube videos that WAR might be presented on some consoles, but they haven't got that deep into any of that yet...If it does come out on the console/consoles then I will have to say many more people will play WAR, In my opinion but still not the death of WoW. WAR will then hold the top game for the consoles for sure. WoW may hold it for PC but WAR could hold 2nd on PC and 1st on Consoles...
i predict a release of a wow expansion closely before the WAR release
-that should hold the biggest chunk of players
i guess the game will last long
btw i quit wow and sold my acc (its allowed in my country hehe)
so if i should play one of the games i guess it will be WAR
Pi*1337/100 = 42
its already been discussed a hundred times before.
Actually current WoW player here leaving as soon as WAR is available to me. ie beta if I get in if not retail.
Well I truth is I know the market very well.. Been playing over 5 years. Do ALOT of beta testing, Was with SWG thru all the bull until NGE went live then left them.Im a forum Moderator for Codemaster online RF division. I think I might have a idea of what the MMO market is like. Dont think that WAR is bringing any new Ideas out, they are copying other games, that fact alone will be there downfall.
I seen the screen shots, I think the graphics are at best, on par, and for WOW thats cool cause its a 3 year old game, or SWG cause its a 5 year old game, for something coming out 2008 Its a very bad indication.
Vanguard and Lord of the Rings was the same way, Great Ideas, lots of ppl including myself beta tested them. But what happened when they went live..
So many games .. all have great Ideas. WAR dont even have that, it has other peoples Ideas, RvR... umm have you played on a PVP server in WoW, have you played RF on-line?
Global war and commuinty dependece only sound like a great Idea, till you realize you dont have a team or a race you have 10,000 guys that all think they should be in charge.
Age of conan, was the big hype... till its code was so messed up so many ideas at once that they had to start all over from step 1.
Yes Alot of vets have played wow 3 years, and no matter what anyone says they all ready have there mind set, they want more, they want a new game after 3 years. Thats fine, have that opinion, but to say WOW sucks or that NONE of us will continue to enjoy it just shows close mindedness.
I been looking for a game to fill my heart since NGE ruined SWG and I have not found it. But that dont meen I have to go arround and Find reasons to Hate every game, I have alot of fun in WOW because its not a job I can play 1 hour a week or 18 hours day, both ways you reach the same end game, it meets all basic needs of a RPG game.
If I want to solo I can, cool.. I can just ignore allies or what ever, when I want to pvp I can go and PVP. I dont have to sit in safe zone and beg some high levels to come help me Just to step out side of town like some other RvR games.
I cant say no more, people will try it, and find out for themself. The TOPIC question was Is it over? the answer is No.
Argue all you want on every other point other then that if you want, I answered the topic and I believe it, War, AOC , or sword of a new world, none of them will kill WOW or Hurt it in anyway. Just cause you try another game dont meen you cancel all others, it is possible to do more then one thing at a time.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
Totally agree. It had it's hayday and in a sense you have to give them props. I know I do.
None of the upcoming games have any new Ideas to them,
tehre not raisng the bar, its a new skin on a old game.
TBH, if I want to re roll a new toon doing the same stuff... I'll make a new one on wow and at least have my guild all ready here.
Dont fool yourselves, WAR and AOC are not doing new ideas, just marketing openly ideas of exsisting games. JUST ask SWG if copying other games formats and ideas will make you a BIG sucess? lol
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
miataka So many games .. all have great Ideas. WAR dont even have that, it has other peoples Ideas, RvR... umm have you played on a PVP server in WoW, have you played RF on-line?
Well ive been around for a long time and ive played alot of mmo. For you to say that WAR useing other companies idea's
of the RVR factor ... did you not look at the Company that is makeing the game ,Mythic more or less as perfected the RVR/PVP
gameing ,and Mythic has had RVR/PVP there MUDD's before GUI came about .. If anything WOW is useing someone's else ideas.
and yes there is a lot of games with Great ideas..
but to the OP's question naa its not going to kill it
list of games (Beta/nonbeta)
AC2,PS,SWG(all x-pack),AO,EVE,TSO,EQ, Shadowbane,Lineage2,SecondLife, Autoassult,D.D.O,GW,Horizon and ROSE
i have accounts for all the games that ive Beta,plus
EQ2,DAOC,UO COX,Rappelz ,Space cowboy,WOW,Matrix ,THERE and Lineage
Yes i know that my posting record is low but ive been Member since 02/04
but never posted till now
Forgot to add VGSOH to the list of games that ive played and still play
I also agree that wow was based on other Ideas, the argument is that they done a pretty good job , its simplistic, straight forward gameplay, you dont have to be a elitist in the "top guild" to even survive.
Maybe there is people that want that and feel some need to prove there self worth in a game. But I for one dont have any of those desires? I dont need to feel supior to anyone, I like a game like WOW that I can play a few hours a day and Im going to have really great gear, and have fun doing Battlegrounds at my time and choosing, and to be able to play end game content with out having to spend 2 years Raiding enemy cities.
It just depends on what a person finds fun, or entertaining. Some people have very little to no control over what happens in there real life, and over compensate that in games by wanting to control every lil aspect and dominate everyone arround them and be in that elite supiror class guild.
Some people, like myself. Just want to relax and have fun, play at my own pace and not worry about What city to raid, or not being able to quest cause there is 100 enemy players outside the city. Or Have to be in a guild just to do 1 quest.
none of that sounds FUN to me... I like WoW cause its not full of game breaking bugs, is consistant, old school D&D dice game style RPG game that is get quest ... get loot.. get levels. THAT is what a RPG is. being part a army and attacking cities is too close to real life, I dont play games to experiance real life events.
I want fantasy , orcs, elves , doing quests, killing Dragons, hunting thieves down that stole stuff from Joe NPC guy. and when I feel like some PVP I can enter a battleground where I dont have to worry about being level 39 and fighting 7 or 8 guys level 70... no were all arround a reasonable ammount of level.
And now they even have the PVP gear matching system so its rare for non twinks to fight Kitted out decked PUG teams.
What can I say, WOW meets my entertainment needs. appently 8.5 million other people happen to aggree.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
WoW will be around for a long time to come. However, for someone to say that WAR is bringing no new concepts to the MMO genre assuming they deliver as they have announced, I can only guess that the individual hasn't read much of WAR's newsletters/podcasts etc. I for one look forward to a great apparent change. Games in the future will have to be better than the last 'Best Game'. If WAR delivers as stated, they will be the NEXT 'Great Game', IMO
Yes WOW is a great game.
i would be still playing it i didnt throw a Fit and sold my LVL 60 Lock
i tried to come back but jsut couldnt handle the game ( all of the guild was at the point of raiding Nexxus
and i jsut lost intrest in the game .
My Fit was over a lvl 20 Rogue cheating he killed my Lock(LvL60 w/ 5k health) in two hits
i sent in a Ticket about it and the GM/CSR tells me the Rogue was luck wiith the two hits
come on lvl20 doing 5k in two hits
there concepts are all ready done in other games. and guess what. Its not that fun in actual application . you will see once you try it.
Wanting something new is fine, I want that too, I just see nothing new in WAR that hasnt been done all ready and ther graphics are feel bland and lack creativity Im on there mailing list and read there news letters.
Im just not easily fooled by tossing on a "new " innovative Idea label and rolling with it.
RF online has had most of what war is saying it will do and they been arround a few years.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
there concepts are all ready done in other games. and guess what. Its not that fun in actual application . you will see once you try it.
Wanting something new is fine, I want that too, I just see nothing new in WAR that hasnt been done all ready and ther graphics are feel bland and lack creativity Im on there mailing list and read there news letters.
Im just not easily fooled by tossing on a "new " innovative Idea label and rolling with it.
RF online has had most of what war is saying it will do and they been arround a few years.
As you say, Mia it's not wise to accept what gaming companies say before you 'test the product'. I agree. I've been in MMOs since the mid-90s starting with Yserbius way back when. I've burned through every game on your tag and a long list of additionals so I do know quite that quite well.I am curious though. You say that the concepts are already done in other games and they arent that fun in application. Granted that some of the base ideas arent new, like the Tome of Kinowledge giving a 'life history'. What game does that? Elder Scrolls (not that it is an MMO) and it's latter day run-outs. However, if you take all the base concepts, shine them up, add new twists and then add them to a sharable game for hundreds and thousands of new players...well you have a nice new 'package' indeed!
WoWs base concepts taken as individual components aren't/weren't new (even when they were new to WoW) either. Kill. Grind.Party. Some solo, some party. Do over next level. I believe that WAR will be the next front runner once it comes out and WoWs player based will drop off substantially when it occurs. Many will stay, some will not for one reason or another. WoW will be around for a long long time yet (example is L2 which dropped and is still dropping daily) but it's on the decline.
Anyways, thats what I see in the offing come the advent of WAR. Thanks for reading the post!
WoW will do as all other MMO's before it have, lose 30% population first month, gain 15% back and maintain for a while slowly losing people as always
L1 still has millions of subs, and its ANCIENT
*flash backs to the beta days of L1, mmmm 80 summons Mmmmm*
My point is in the fact there ideas no matter how many sources they get them from are still someone elses ideas, and Yes I agree and have said it as well... WOW was not inventor, they just did it in a way that leaves alot to teh player to use as they wish.
Like I said many times. Nothing will really dent WOW , the fact there are more and more and more people everyday just because of TBC in itself will out wiegh how many people leave for WAR.
If you want that community war time thing ...great go for it... Nothing wrong with it. But it wont effect WOW and that is what the topic is.
Only thing that will truely hurt WOW is
1) if SWG rolled back pre NGE
2) When blizz launches Star craft MMO
Till then shiney ribbons on old ideas wont effect WOW
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
Really now, folks. With Blizzards reputation and the extreme success of World of Warcraft. How can you honestly scream "WoW Killer!" at everything that pops up on the charts. Truthfully? There probably will be no World of Warcraft killer. Its the most honest truth you can find in all of this BS. No, i'm not a WoW Fan, or addicted to the game... i've played it... i've subscribed and unsubscribed... but I also know of WoW's subscriber numbers. Like i said in another post on these forums... WoW is in it's golden age. Its a mature game. Its no longer new and exciting to the masses. Its just whats out there to play right now, and with its historic reputation involving the gaming community... it won't die because of one particular event in the gaming industry.
World of Warcraft has already begun its fall into oblivion, but don't get upset and scream at me for saying that. You don't have to worry, as it won't be gone for a very good while. Its going to be around for a bit longer.. so you've still got plenty of time to play.
Everything in this world has an end, and World of Warcraft will certainly be no exception. Eventually the gaming community will grow tired and weary of the Warcraft theme within the MMO world and decide to move onto the next giant. World of Warcraft has seen its best days and is living the good lfe right now. I'd go as far to say its retired. No longer does it have to compete with other games, no longer does the company really have to push its advertisement and worry about subscription numbers. Its in the green, and couldn't be happier. But in time it will dwindle and fall. Just as every other game has. With a beginning comes an eventual end. There is nothing we, nor blizzard, nor your holy diety can do about it. Life has a cycle... whether you're organic or virtual.
Enjoy the game while you can, and when it finally is laid to rest. Move onto the next game with good intentions and enjoy that one with saved memories to cherrish of World of Warcraft.
Everquest - 2000 - '02
Anarchy Online - '01-'02
Earth and Beyond - '02-'04
Star Wars Galaxies - '03-'06('07)
World of Warcraft - '04-'07
Age of Conan - '08 - shelved.
-Waiting on-
Star Trek Online
SW: The Old Republic
I don't play a big amount of MMORPG's at this point in time only because I do not yet have my amazing computer but I do itend to play WAR when it is available on the market, so correct me if I'm wrong here but...This really bothers me when people say WAR is bringing nothing new to the table. Public Quests. (and thats just one of the many) I also have a problem that one of you said that WAR is to realistic? Whats that? Your playing as an Orc, along with using magic how much more unrealistic can you get? You don't like fighting in wars thats your whole problem with realism in games...So then that means You Don't like RTS games you shouldn't like games with humans in it either. Call of Duty is out of the picture then Every game at some point has somewhat of an amount of War in it. Without that it just wouldn't be lame, I mean you have to fight someone/something don't you?