Lol bash-fest and post deletion a plenty in this all day battle of AC vs. WoW. To try to continue explaining how population numbers dont translate to quality here is a game for you: Tales of Pirates (5mil) Now have you heard of that game or played it or know anyone that played it and just loved it? So does its quantity mean its an amazing game. You are all about proof and websites that back ourselves up. Well here's a recent one. Updated June 13, 2007 and ranks top 10 MMO based on active subscription: http://gigaom.com/2007/06/13/top-ten-most-popular-mmos/ ... if you have even heard or played 5 of those top ten I will be amazed. Fact is quality beats quantity. More people have heard about AC and its low population then Habbo Hotel other then those that actually play it. Personally, as I said before, AC is a better well-rounded game and made for hard-core gamers, and WoW is for those players that dont play a lot. Also I think WoW has grown because of the advertising of the game and when it hit 4 million all the teenagers buddy's just joined up with their friends and is now the reason for immaturity within their community. It's whatever style best suits you. For more charts (a little outdated june 2006) for all you number/popularity sluts http://www.mmogchart.com/Analysis.html .... http://www.mmogchart.com/ ...
wow, runescape is the best game ever, it has more active users than WoW if you consider the free accounts also So Runescape is the best game EVER, I mean its more popular than WoW. Everyone go to runescape because OBVIOUSLY quantity means everything therefore runescape is the god of mmorpgs.
If you were being sarcastic, then you are a step away from being retarded, as that was not the point of his post. In fact that was the opposite of his point. His point was, that quality beats out quantity (I agree) not the other way around. Read?
If you werent...well, everyones entitled to theyre opinions
Lol bash-fest and post deletion a plenty in this all day battle of AC vs. WoW. To try to continue explaining how population numbers dont translate to quality here is a game for you: Tales of Pirates (5mil) Now have you heard of that game or played it or know anyone that played it and just loved it? So does its quantity mean its an amazing game. You are all about proof and websites that back ourselves up. Well here's a recent one. Updated June 13, 2007 and ranks top 10 MMO based on active subscription: http://gigaom.com/2007/06/13/top-ten-most-popular-mmos/ ... if you have even heard or played 5 of those top ten I will be amazed. Fact is quality beats quantity. More people have heard about AC and its low population then Habbo Hotel other then those that actually play it. Personally, as I said before, AC is a better well-rounded game and made for hard-core gamers, and WoW is for those players that dont play a lot. Also I think WoW has grown because of the advertising of the game and when it hit 4 million all the teenagers buddy's just joined up with their friends and is now the reason for immaturity within their community. It's whatever style best suits you. For more charts (a little outdated june 2006) for all you number/popularity sluts http://www.mmogchart.com/Analysis.html .... http://www.mmogchart.com/ ...
I've heard of most of them. No idea what Club Penguin or Webkinz is though. But in my opinion you can't really compare an MMO that requires money for the box + a monthly fee, to a browser-based 'MMO' that is 100% free to play. Also, using the "High population doesn't mean it's good" argument doesn't mean the game isn't still good. Of course you can't use the population as your only leg to stand on, but WoW has a lot of other legs.
Just go to Gamespot or any of a dozen other big game websites, pop "Asherons Call" into the search field, then look for user reviews. You'll see many very high reviews and comments about the game that put the game in a league of it's own.. even today with it's dated graphics.
Here is just one example. This is a review given by "The MCP" on Gamespot.com. It was written in February of this year, 2007. But there are many other comments from other users that show only the highest respect towards AC.
Anyhow, here goes. This is a pretty good review of AC and why it is so great, even today.. and why no other mmo has even touched it's depth and lore still today...
******************************************************************** Review of Asherons Call Feb. 2007 by "The MCP" on Gamespot.com ********************************************************************
They say your first MMORPG is always your favorite, but I'll tell you why this might be the most underrated MMORPG ever. No, it didn't have the Blizzard universe behind it. It never had the gabillion subscribers that Everquest enjoyed. Nor was it the first big MMORPG like Ultima Online. But there was something about Asheron's Call that made it unique.
Maybe it was the fantastic skill system that allowed you to level ANYTHING! Want to jump like Kobe Bryant? Just spend all your experience from killing monsters on your jump skill! You may not be able to do anything else, but hey, at least you can jump on houses in the center of town. AC (Asheron's Call) still holds the best skill system of any MMORPG I've played to date. No one started out with any particular class. You chose every trait the way you liked and hybrid classes were everywhere as opposed to most MMORPGs that want everyone to be a super-specialized subset. Neither did it have an easy-to-use system with few skills like some of the newer MMORPGs, because it divided everything into specific skills, and unlike Ultima Online which allowed anyone to macro a skill to death (i.e. continually doing the same action to increase it), it did reward repetition but mostly the killing of nasty things was what increased your expeience points. AC was the first MMORPG to establish a monthly content update system. I remember the popular websites at the time would be overrun by AC players as everyone waited the 12 hours or so as the servers were shut down and the newest monthly content was installed. Turbine would release a small poem or tale and we as gamers had to decipher it and figure out the clues that pointed to new hidden items and quests that would be installed after the monthly content. I remember the collectable action figures installed in one monthly patch. Every popular creature had its own action figure and the game felt like Ebay as people tried to complete their collections. At Christmas, holiday themed items were added. I remember when the Lugian Citadel was installed. It was a HUGE castle that contained the biggest, baddest giants in the realm who spawned like crazy. The floors of the citadel were littered with dead bodies as gamers tried to risk the fortress because it was a power leveler's dream. I could go on forever about the creative and memorable additions in each monthly content add-on that always made the game feel like a living and changing environment.
AC was the only MMORG that made people care about the lore and stories behind the game. You could find websites dedicated to ancient text found in the game. Quests always had some significant tie-in to the story. And speaking of the story, it was fantastic! We once logged in after a monthly update only to find one of the most popular towns in the game completely destroyed and a large crater in its place. When one of the most feared menaces in the game returned, a developer controlled a 100' tall creature who would roam from city to city destroying gamers who stood in his way. Turbine (the developers) even had a sense of humor and placed the infamous killer bunny rabbit from Monty Python & the Holy Grail in one of the highest level lands. Someone once aggroed the bunny to town and you've never seen anything more hilarious in your life! The highest level characters on my server were jumping on rocks, running for their lives, and doing anything to try and stay out of the way of this killer rabbit that would strike for 1000 damage and appeared virtually unstoppable. ROFL!
AC's biggest knock were its graphics, but I always found the engine beautiful. While I didn't have teh l00t pixels, nothing beat climbing up a large hill and watching a virtual sunset. Because of dyes and completely random items, AC characters all looked different. It was certainly one of the most colorful games I've played, as some MMORPGS seem to be full of a drab world of character creations. Even the monsters were unique. The odd sounding extremely fast sprites. The annoying drudges. The ground-stomping golems. The bug-like extremely powerful olthoi. And who could forget the ghost-like black shadows? It was always fun being a level 15 character and running into one of the random level 60 shadows as they tried to take over the online world of Dereth. (Which leads me to another monthly content story that I just don't have time to tell.) In the world of AC, "The Subway" is still one of the most unique locations in MMORPG history. Let me draw a picture of this place. You entered a cavern only to find a huge arena where hundreds of characters gathered and your text screen flowed at a million lines per hour as people tried to publicly pawn their items. Want to find ANY rare item in the game? Simply enter the subway with your best loot, and see if you could work a deal. Then..... continue down the cavern until you stop at a 200 feet drop. This is what separates the mice from the men. If you were a high level, you could take your chances and endure the fall. If you didn't think you were high enough, you could buff your stats hoping to surivive the fall. If you did make it to the bottom of the pit in one piece, you would find another meeting place in the subway, only this one was full of the game's highest level characters, and had 20 portals that went to all the best places in the game. Consider it an exclusive society for those that put the time into the game. Mixed in-between the chat of some of the most powerul monarchies (what served as guilds in AC) in the game were dead bodies of aspiring characters who had hoped to finally view the bottom of the Subway but couldn't quite survive the fall.
It's no wonder this game outlived its sequel. It was such a unique world, there was no way to ever match the beauty of the original. I think what impresses me the most about this game is it had no one to copy. It was one of the earliest big MMORPGs, and unlike some of the more recent popular franchises, it had no history of success or failure to base its strategy on. It was all new ground when Turbine developed this MMORPG. I wish some of today's MMORPG newbies who are having fun with World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy XI could have experienced Asheron's Call in its prime. It was truly a novel experience.
the point is that a HUGE percentage of WoW players arent MMO players. Most of them dont even know this site exists. WoW reaches more than just the people on this site, many more.
This is pretty amazing how someone can come in here and continue to declare AC as the best game ever based on both user rating of which it isn't the highest even on this site and then the subject matter of differnt users who reviewed the game. Most people who play the games don't even post on message boards. It's hardly and accurrate way to judge weather a game is good or not. I wouldn't trust anyone on these websites to tell me weather a game is good or bad. I would judge for myself and I have judged for myself. They are all good games and they all appeal to differnt people. I'm not sure what you expect to prove. Everyone arleady knows that popularity doesn't mean something is good for you. On the otherhand McDonald's is taste good and is cheap which appeals to a lot of people even though it isn't healhty. WoW is the same price as other game per month and is a quality product.
Just go to Gamespot or any of a dozen other big game websites, pop "Asherons Call" into the search field, then look for user reviews. You'll see many very high reviews and comments about the game that put the game in a league of it's own.. even today with it's dated graphics. Anyhow, here goes. This is a pretty good review of AC and why it is so great, even today.. and why no other mmo has even touched it's depth and lore still today...
AC has...8 reveiws on Gamespot? I guarantee if as many people played AC as they did WoW, you'd see a lot more reviews, and a lot more negative reviews. You can't dislike what you've never tried. Here's some of the reviews on the front page for WoW on gamespot:
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the only people who play this boring ass sh!ty game are nerds who live in there moms basement until they are 45
Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it.The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online but as for world of war craft the game designers were not thinking strait cuz the game is too easy.And after a while it gets boring!You are always boring the same thing again and again take a quest finish it get rewarded start over.The game gets boreing after only about ten hours of play.The graphics are balls like really it all looks like a Sunday morning cartoon and to add on top of that problem depending on what race you are the same environment's are repeated over and over again and i got so bored of it i was not able to get up to a high enough lvl to go anywhere else.The sounds are all recycled from previous better warcraft games.My conclusion don`t buy it recommended to no one.And the expansion adds only 2 races and thats it.The worst part about the game is every one at my school plays that game.The really should rename it to the world of warcrap.What a disappointment.
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When i started to play it was kinda fun ) but i remembered in guild wars,and compere to GW that game was bad,and the graphic is so awful
it remind me the music from the old games,like nintendo
and when you start it fun but after lvl 8 its gets, so boring the only thing that is it game is better than guild wars it only the big world but its so ugly world XD i prefer playing guild wars,to everyone that here WoW is great game dont belive them,try it for urself first because i didnt loved this game,and its always have movies vs guildwars i dont know why,because this game is MMO and guildwars is RPG just online,diffrent things ,WoW need to do battle with lineage XD,nobody will do it because LA2 is killing this game !!!
there is nothing that can compere lineage this game from a different world this game not for kids,WoW its for kids and lineage its for 16+
i loved warcraft 3,but WoW was so bad that i dont want to play,warcraft 3 anymore why they switched,from strategy to MMO ?? why ? diablo and warcraft was good but WoW is bad
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This is one of the reasons I don't focus too heavily on player reviews. One 'problem' WoW has is that it's insanely popular with a younger demographic. Younger people are annoying, as these reviews demonstrate.
Let's see how WOW is going in 2012 (8 years after launch).
WoW could lose 90% of its playerbase and it would still be a far, far more successful game than AC1 ever was. Heck, it would still be more successful than just about every other western MMO as well.
Oh, and back on topic... So much effort for so little gain. The OP may have succeeded in firing up a good "discussion", but no one is going to run out and buy AC1 because of this. Carry on though, OP, I'm having a good laugh at your expense.
Originally posted by DKirby Originally posted by zaxtor99 Just go to Gamespot or any of a dozen other big game websites, pop "Asherons Call" into the search field, then look for user reviews. You'll see many very high reviews and comments about the game that put the game in a league of it's own.. even today with it's dated graphics. Anyhow, here goes. This is a pretty good review of AC and why it is so great, even today.. and why no other mmo has even touched it's depth and lore still today...***********************************************************************- Zaxx
AC has...8 reveiws on Gamespot? I guarantee if as many people played AC as they did WoW, you'd see a lot more reviews, and a lot more negative reviews. You can't dislike what you've never tried. Here's some of the reviews on the front page for WoW on gamespot:
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the only people who play this boring ass sh!ty game are nerds who live in there moms basement until they are 45
Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it.The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online but as for world of war craft the game designers were not thinking strait cuz the game is too easy.And after a while it gets boring!You are always boring the same thing again and again take a quest finish it get rewarded start over.The game gets boreing after only about ten hours of play.The graphics are balls like really it all looks like a Sunday morning cartoon and to add on top of that problem depending on what race you are the same environment's are repeated over and over again and i got so bored of it i was not able to get up to a high enough lvl to go anywhere else.The sounds are all recycled from previous better warcraft games.My conclusion don`t buy it recommended to no one.And the expansion adds only 2 races and thats it.The worst part about the game is every one at my school plays that game.The really should rename it to the world of warcrap.What a disappointment. -------- When i started to play it was kinda fun ) but i remembered in guild wars,and compere to GW that game was bad,and the graphic is so awful it remind me the music from the old games,like nintendo and when you start it fun but after lvl 8 its gets, so boring the only thing that is it game is better than guild wars it only the big world but its so ugly world XD i prefer playing guild wars,to everyone that here WoW is great game dont belive them,try it for urself first because i didnt loved this game,and its always have movies vs guildwars i dont know why,because this game is MMO and guildwars is RPG just online,diffrent things ,WoW need to do battle with lineage XD,nobody will do it because LA2 is killing this game !!! there is nothing that can compere lineage this game from a different world this game not for kids,WoW its for kids and lineage its for 16+ i loved warcraft 3,but WoW was so bad that i dont want to play,warcraft 3 anymore why they switched,from strategy to MMO ?? why ? diablo and warcraft was good but WoW is bad --------
This is one of the reasons I don't focus too heavily on player reviews. One 'problem' WoW has is that it's insanely popular with a younger demographic. Younger people are annoying, as these reviews demonstrate.
You trying to help me prove my point or your own here? Because you're definitely not helping your own WoW-promoting cause by quoting players negative reviews of WoW vs my positive reviews of AC.
..But you are correct, pretty much all the websites user reviews are loaded with negative reviews of WoW, aren't they? And take a good look at all the websites user reviews of Asheron's Call again. Yep. That's right. "Best mmo ever"... "Classic mmo favorite"... "I wish that mmos today could be as great"... and on and on with the insane praises of AC with a sprinkle of neutral or negative reviews mostly cursing the old graphics or something.
...Now maybe you're starting to catch what I've been saying for 6 pages now.
Oh? WoW still "roxxerz" you say and AC still "suxxorz" you yell at me??? {thumbs up} Gotcha there buddy.
Its funny how people think theyre cool for bashing an old classic like AC1 and couldnt think twice. In reality theyre only hurting themselves, cause that just adds to the incentive of the publishers and developers to keep on chugging out these bland games that suck compared to a classic like AC1.
This poster like many I see on this board just keeps repeating the same thing over and over again regardless of what you say to them. They are so convinced they are in the right that they will just keep posting the same thing as fact and thats all the proof they need.
I just spent some time looking through the user reviews on the first page of each game. AC1, WoW, and EQ. They all have positive, well written, reviews for the most part. They are all good games so I'm not sure what all the whinning is about. Obviously the user reviews wouldn't be at around the same for each game if the others were all users flamming the games. AC1 just droped a point in user ratings to 8.1 which is the same as WoW heh. I guess that 1.0 isn't such a big differnce after all. As I said before there aren't many people who play MMOs that actually bother to come to a site and review them.
Well I have to be honest, I have been playing Electronic games since, well pong. The first online game I played was doom when it was released. I Had played MUDs on the old BBS and been on broadband playing online games sence the late 80s. I had played the better known games such as EVE and WOW since their betas. Point being, I consider myself an average gamer.
It was not until last year when I was trying to get some info on a few games that a google search led me to here. Until then I had never heard of MMORPG.com
Point here is that I was like the 99.9% of gamers that are out there actually playing the games with no idea and really no intrest in finding a place to rate the game. If you go into any game (except EVE) and ask anyone you meet if the have visited , much less rated, the game on MMORPG.com I dare say that you would go days before finding one person that knows this place exists. This is because other than CCP, which fills compeled to point to MMORPG on their website, no other major game MFG will acknowledge that this place exists as there is no need.
The bottom line here is that ratings that any game gets here only matters to the people that actualy visit/post on this site. Too the 99.9% of game players in the world they could care less what rating this site give it. Now, if Adam or Morgan gave it a rating, then and only then would they care (maybe).
What exactly is the point of one game beating another game in ratings in this forum? All that shows is what the people here feel not what the majority of the worlds gamers feel about a game.
Just go to Gamespot or any of a dozen other big game websites, pop "Asherons Call" into the search field, then look for user reviews. You'll see many very high reviews and comments about the game that put the game in a league of it's own.. even today with it's dated graphics.
Anyhow, here goes. This is a pretty good review of AC and why it is so great, even today.. and why no other mmo has even touched it's depth and lore still today... *********************************************************************** - Zaxx
AC has...8 reveiws on Gamespot? I guarantee if as many people played AC as they did WoW, you'd see a lot more reviews, and a lot more negative reviews. You can't dislike what you've never tried. Here's some of the reviews on the front page for WoW on gamespot:
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the only people who play this boring ass sh!ty game are nerds who live in there moms basement until they are 45
Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it.The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online but as for world of war craft the game designers were not thinking strait cuz the game is too easy.And after a while it gets boring!You are always boring the same thing again and again take a quest finish it get rewarded start over.The game gets boreing after only about ten hours of play.The graphics are balls like really it all looks like a Sunday morning cartoon and to add on top of that problem depending on what race you are the same environment's are repeated over and over again and i got so bored of it i was not able to get up to a high enough lvl to go anywhere else.The sounds are all recycled from previous better warcraft games.My conclusion don`t buy it recommended to no one.And the expansion adds only 2 races and thats it.The worst part about the game is every one at my school plays that game.The really should rename it to the world of warcrap.What a disappointment.
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When i started to play it was kinda fun ) but i remembered in guild wars,and compere to GW that game was bad,and the graphic is so awful
it remind me the music from the old games,like nintendo
and when you start it fun but after lvl 8 its gets, so boring the only thing that is it game is better than guild wars it only the big world but its so ugly world XD i prefer playing guild wars,to everyone that here WoW is great game dont belive them,try it for urself first because i didnt loved this game,and its always have movies vs guildwars i dont know why,because this game is MMO and guildwars is RPG just online,diffrent things ,WoW need to do battle with lineage XD,nobody will do it because LA2 is killing this game !!!
there is nothing that can compere lineage this game from a different world this game not for kids,WoW its for kids and lineage its for 16+
i loved warcraft 3,but WoW was so bad that i dont want to play,warcraft 3 anymore why they switched,from strategy to MMO ?? why ? diablo and warcraft was good but WoW is bad
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This is one of the reasons I don't focus too heavily on player reviews. One 'problem' WoW has is that it's insanely popular with a younger demographic. Younger people are annoying, as these reviews demonstrate.
You trying to help me prove my point or your own here? Because you're definitely not helping your own WoW-promoting cause by quoting players negative reviews of WoW vs my positive reviews of AC.
..But you are correct, pretty much all the websites user reviews are loaded with negative reviews of WoW, aren't they? And take a good look at all the websites user reviews of Asheron's Call again. Yep. That's right. "Best mmo ever"... "Classic mmo favorite"... "I wish that mmos today could be as great"... and on and on with the insane praises of AC with a sprinkle of neutral or negative reviews mostly cursing the old graphics or something.
...Now maybe you're starting to catch what I've been saying for 6 pages now.
Oh? WoW still "roxxerz" you say and AC still "suxxorz" you yell at me??? {thumbs up} Gotcha there buddy.
- Zaxx
The people who wrote those reviews have no grammatical skills whatsoever. They're sloppy, jumbled, worthless reviews. Seriously, read some of what they're saying:
"Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it."
If you can read that whole thing without having to stop and say "huh?", I'd be impressed.
The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online
He's obviously showing his age here. Complaining about an MMO that has a monthly fee, and then using LOTRO as an example of a 'really good game'?
And I'm not even going to try to pick out a quote from the second review, because he moves from one thought to another in a heartbeat (and without punctuation) and I really don't know what he was trying to say.
I had two points I was trying to convey by posting these reviews:
1. Player reviews are not reliable
2. The ratio of good/bad reviews does not say anything about the quality of the game itself
If you took either of those reviews seriously, I'm just going to stop arguing with you right here...and I shouldn't have to explain why.
But as I said before, WoW is drawing a large population of players who have never played MMOs before, and also a large population of younger people. These are some of the main reasons you see so many "OMGWTFBBQ WOW SUCKS WORST GAME LOL" types of reviews. MMOs are not everyone's cup of tea...and when you get 8.5 million people to drink your tea, you're going to have a lot more people who don't like it.
As far as your "Oh? WoW still "roxxerz" you say and AC still "suxxorz" you yell at me??? {thumbs up} Gotcha there buddy." comment, I appreciate your attempts to lessen the impact of my posts, but it's not doing any good. If you've actually read my posts in this thread, you'll find that I never said WoW 'roxxerz', nor did I say that AC 'suxxorz'. I haven't even been trying to convey that message at all, and my posts are written much better than what you're trying to dumb them down to be.
This entire topic stemmed from a user who said that AC's rating over WoW was an 'achievement'. and using it as a basis that "The MMO players have spoken." The ratings on this site mean nothing to 99.9% of the MMO population. He rants on, like you do, that so many people find WoW 'boring' and 'repetitive', while many reviews of AC are sparkling. But look at the type of negative reviews WoW has. You can't take them all seriously!
I still stand by my opinions that The ratings on this site do not matter in the world of MMORPGs, and that Player reviews alone cannot be used to judge a game. And unless you can give some sort of new information to prove me otherwise, instead of another post saying "Look at the reviews!", I don't think there's much left to discuss in this thread.
This thread honestly just needs to be locked. So far neither side has proven anything. You can keep spouting AC > WoW or WoW > AC till you turn blue in the face. Both of you will still be wrong. Because neither of your sides can prove what they say. As much as I love MMORPG.com the ratings on this site don't prove a damn thing. This thread only proves that MMO communities as a whole are very immature, and at best can only fall back on name calling to get their point across.
Thead has turned into nothing more then a name calling flame session.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
This thread honestly just needs to be locked. So far neither side has proven anything. You can keep spouting AC > WoW or WoW > AC till you turn blue in the face. Both of you will still be wrong. Because neither of your sides can prove what they say. As much as I love MMORPG.com the ratings on this site don't prove a damn thing. This thread only proves that MMO communities as a whole are very immature, and at best can only fall back on name calling to get their point across. Thead has turned into nothing more then a name calling flame session.
I second this point ... but what did we expect? I have a feeling that that was the aim of this thread anyway. Who really cares what game gets what rating, the most important stat of any mmorpg is that you enjoy playing it and nothing else ... there is true value for your money. I really don't care what game people play, as long as they have fun playing that game ... thats all that counts here ... not random stats. If I hate a game, does that make it bad and those that play fools - NO - it simply means that I don't like it and those that play do ... end of story
Why does this thread need to be locked? You keep reading it, and people keep making their points, arguments, and statements about what they feel to be true. So it must hold some interest level. It has gotten over 150 posts in a day and a half.
On the same token, if people keep name calling each other and arguing and fighting within the game of World of Warcraft, should they just lock up that game too? Makes about as much sense as locking a heavily posted thread with lots of interest.
..When people grow tired of this topic, then it will die on its own.
The people who wrote those reviews have no grammatical skills whatsoever. They're sloppy, jumbled, worthless reviews. Seriously, read some of what they're saying:
"Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it."
If you can read that whole thing without having to stop and say "huh?", I'd be impressed.
The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online
He's obviously showing his age here. Complaining about an MMO that has a monthly fee, and then using LOTRO as an example of a 'really good game'?
And I'm not even going to try to pick out a quote from the second review, because he moves from one thought to another in a heartbeat (and without punctuation) and I really don't know what he was trying to say.
I had two points I was trying to convey by posting these reviews:
1. Player reviews are not reliable
2. The ratio of good/bad reviews does not say anything about the quality of the game itself
If you took either of those reviews seriously, I'm just going to stop arguing with you right here...and I shouldn't have to explain why.
But as I said before, WoW is drawing a large population of players who have never played MMOs before, and also a large population of younger people. These are some of the main reasons you see so many "OMGWTFBBQ WOW SUCKS WORST GAME LOL" types of reviews. MMOs are not everyone's cup of tea...and when you get 8.5 million people to drink your tea, you're going to have a lot more people who don't like it.
As far as your "Oh? WoW still "roxxerz" you say and AC still "suxxorz" you yell at me??? {thumbs up} Gotcha there buddy." comment, I appreciate your attempts to lessen the impact of my posts, but it's not doing any good. If you've actually read my posts in this thread, you'll find that I never said WoW 'roxxerz', nor did I say that AC 'suxxorz'. I haven't even been trying to convey that message at all, and my posts are written much better than what you're trying to dumb them down to be.
This entire topic stemmed from a user who said that AC's rating over WoW was an 'achievement'. and using it as a basis that "The MMO players have spoken." The ratings on this site mean nothing to 99.9% of the MMO population. He rants on, like you do, that so many people find WoW 'boring' and 'repetitive', while many reviews of AC are sparkling. But look at the type of negative reviews WoW has. You can't take them all seriously!
I still stand by my opinions that The ratings on this site do not matter in the world of MMORPGs, and that Player reviews alone cannot be used to judge a game. And unless you can give some sort of new information to prove me otherwise, instead of another post saying "Look at the reviews!", I don't think there's much left to discuss in this thread.
Nope. Player reviews don't matter. Players opinions don't matter (unless, ofcourse they say that WoW is the greatest game ever, right?) This websites rating system doesn't matter, because ofcourse WoW is not ranked #1. If WoW was ranked #1, I'd bet you 50 bucks you'd say it was the most accurate rating system in the world.
You talk about AC defenders talking all high and mighty and down at WoW. But you absolutely refuse ANYTHING that says WoW isn't #1, and you refuse ANYBODY who says WoW sucks.
There is plenty to discuss in this thread. Since you want to be all mature and act like some professional on this GAMESITE compared to the people who have posted that they don't like World of Warcraft - Give me 10 reasons WHY or HOW World of Warcraft is better then Asherons Call. And I dont wanna see 10 reasons that Wow has better graphics, WoW looks prettier, WoW is cooler type crap either. Give me solid reasons.
Oh yea, that's gonna be pretty hard for you to do huh -becuase you never even played Asheron's Call right?
I can see why you stand so firm that WoW is superior. You've never even played the game that helped pave the way for WoW to be born five years later.
You want solid reasons why Asherons Call is better then WoW? I'll give you atleast 20 if you just ask. Easily.
Nope. Player reviews don't matter. Players opinions don't matter (unless, ofcourse they say that WoW is the greatest game ever, right?) This websites rating system doesn't matter, because ofcourse WoW is not ranked #1. If WoW was ranked #1, I'd bet you 50 bucks you'd say it was the most accurate rating system in the world.
Hold up a second! STOP! Just give me a second to swallow before you force more words into my mouth. I AM NOT making an argument, on any side, on the WoW vs AC debate. You're simply replying to what you WISHED I had posted, instead of what I'm actually trying to argue.
My entire argument in this thread is about the use of MMORPG's rating system as the sole basis of judgment on a game, and that relying purely on player reveiws to support your argument does not hold much weight.
Got it?
Seriously, if you want to reply to my posts, then reply to my POSTS. In my last post I gave an example of why player reviews are untrustworthy. I pasted two negative reviews for WoW. They are both extremely poorly written reviews, and they both support my claims that all player reviews must be taken with a grain of salt, and that just because a game has bad reviews doesn't mean it's a bad game. If you'd like to say something in an attempt to refute those claims, I'd be happy to listen to it.
But if you're going to continue to make replies to posts I haven't even made, and ignoring the claims I'm actually putting forth, then I have nothing further to say.
Originally posted by DKirby The people who wrote those reviews have no grammatical skills whatsoever. They're sloppy, jumbled, worthless reviews. Seriously, read some of what they're saying: "Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it." If you can read that whole thing without having to stop and say "huh?", I'd be impressed.
The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online He's obviously showing his age here. Complaining about an MMO that has a monthly fee, and then using LOTRO as an example of a 'really good game'? And I'm not even going to try to pick out a quote from the second review, because he moves from one thought to another in a heartbeat (and without punctuation) and I really don't know what he was trying to say.
I had two points I was trying to convey by posting these reviews: 1. Player reviews are not reliable 2. The ratio of good/bad reviews does not say anything about the quality of the game itself If you took either of those reviews seriously, I'm just going to stop arguing with you right here...and I shouldn't have to explain why.
Nice. So a players opinion of a game shouldn't count if they cannot formulate complete sentences and if they cannot use correct grammar??
...Very interesting.
If that's the case, log into World of Warcraft for an hour or so and listen to the common community chat. According to you, about 99% of those who play WoW cannot speak intelligently and speak very, very childish. So 99% of the WoW player base shouldn't count because they chat and speak in a childish form.
...Shouldn't this totally discredit WoW's success, WoW's numbers, and WoW's ratings as well then? Hey.. I didn't say that people who can't speak in intellectual formats should be totally discredited altogether. YOU said that. I'm just going off what YOU said, and taking that a step further. ...Seems logical to me.
Think about what you say before you discredit everyone's opinions just because you don't think they type intelligently.
THEIR OPINION STILL MATTERS DON'T IT? THEY ARE STILL A PLAYER AREN'T THEY?
You can sit there and say that you aren't defending WoW all you like. It's blatantly obvious that you are doing everything..and I do mean EVERYTHING you can to protect WoW vs the mighty threat of a really small game like Asheron's Call.
Nice. So a players opinion of a game shouldn't count if they cannot formulate complete sentences and if they cannot use correct grammar??
Well I can tell you this much, their opinions won't matter to me. The ability, or inability, to convey your ideas appropriately says a lot about a person. If I read a review that says "omg this game sux so bad, all th players r mean and the levelin gis boring 2 grind grind grind no1 should play thsi game", I'm not going to take it seriously. Why? Because there's no real content in that review, and I don't like having to stop to try to figure out what someone is saying because of his poor typing abilities.
Originally posted by zaxtor99
If that's the case, log into World of Warcraft for an hour or so and listen to the common community chat. According to you, about 99% of those who play WoW cannot speak intelligently and speak very, very childish. So 99% of the WoW player base shouldn't count because they chat and speak in a childish form.
Gross generalization. WoW has more mature players than any other MMO has, the problem is it also has more immature players as well. But you're right, if I read a review that said "DUDE wowz the best especialy the rogues its like u sneak up 2 people and stab stan and there dead!" I certainly wouldn't count that as a 'reason' that WoW is a good game.
Originally posted by zaxtor99
...Shouldn't this totally discredit WoW's success, WoW's numbers, and WoW's ratings as well then? Hey.. I didn't say that people who can't speak in intellectual formats should be totally discredited altogether. YOU said that. I'm just going off what YOU said, and taking that a step further. ...Seems logical to me.
They should be discredited from being used in Game X is better than Game Y discussions, in my opinion. Like I said though, WoW has more mature players than any other MMO. And just because I'm going to ignore someone from influencing my opinion of the game, doesn't mean I'm going to discredit the game itself. If they're happy, and they like the game, who am I to say otherwise? I can't say "You don't count to WoW's success because you can't speak English", but I can say "I'm not going to let you influence my personal opinion on a game because you can't speak English."
Like I said, the way a person types reflects the person himself. Someone who says "the pvp in this game sucks lik all the mages ar so overpoweed they need to be nurfed but they never do you sholdn't play", probably has a different mindset than a person who says "The PvP in this game is horribly imbalanced towards ranged casters, to the point where PvP itself isn't enjoyable unless you happen to play the 'right' class." I usually ignore the former type of reviews because the people who write them, for the most part, aren't like me. We have different mindsets. Plus, he just sounds stupid. Would you ask your average 10-year-old his thoughts on the U.S.'s border security?
Honestly, comparison between the two games are not very valid. This come mainly from the fact that AC was already old when MMORPG.com was created. Since most people usually don't buy 4 years old games,chances is that a good part of 1000 ac reviews come from old fan of the game who were either still playing AC at the time or had really enjoyed the game. I seriously doubt that many people who hated the game took the time, 4 years later to go rate the game.
On the other hand, MMORPG.com was already fairly well known when WoW went retail. Thus any player how disliked the game could almost instantly rate the game in consequence. Plus let's not forget the "WoW-hate" bandwagon that seems fairly big and that it is now the fashionable thing to hate WoW when you're not playing the game and that, even if you liked the game before you quit.
Anyway, suffice to say that when someone look back on a game he played 4 years ago, chances are he won't exactly rate it the same as he would a game he just quit for X or Y reason.
By the way, I'm not saying either game is better then the other ( I'm not playing either anymore), just that the rating system is unreliable and biased in the first place.
Originally posted by Dragohr Mcdonalds, Wow and Bush flaming.. Someone listened to Green Day one time too many
Are you an idiot?
Because you sound like an idiot.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
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wow, runescape is the best game ever, it has more active users than WoW if you consider the free accounts also So Runescape is the best game EVER, I mean its more popular than WoW. Everyone go to runescape because OBVIOUSLY quantity means everything therefore runescape is the god of mmorpgs.
If you were being sarcastic, then you are a step away from being retarded, as that was not the point of his post. In fact that was the opposite of his point. His point was, that quality beats out quantity (I agree) not the other way around. Read?
If you werent...well, everyones entitled to theyre opinions
Dunno why but the price
$9.99
(to bad i cant turn those faces upside down
)makes me paranoid and delusional. XD!!
I've heard of most of them. No idea what Club Penguin or Webkinz is though. But in my opinion you can't really compare an MMO that requires money for the box + a monthly fee, to a browser-based 'MMO' that is 100% free to play. Also, using the "High population doesn't mean it's good" argument doesn't mean the game isn't still good. Of course you can't use the population as your only leg to stand on, but WoW has a lot of other legs.
Just go to Gamespot or any of a dozen other big game websites, pop "Asherons Call" into the search field, then look for user reviews. You'll see many very high reviews and comments about the game that put the game in a league of it's own.. even today with it's dated graphics.
Here is just one example. This is a review given by "The MCP" on Gamespot.com. It was written in February of this year, 2007. But there are many other comments from other users that show only the highest respect towards AC.
Anyhow, here goes. This is a pretty good review of AC and why it is so great, even today.. and why no other mmo has even touched it's depth and lore still today...
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Review of Asherons Call Feb. 2007 by "The MCP" on Gamespot.com
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They say your first MMORPG is always your favorite, but I'll tell you why this might be the most underrated MMORPG ever.
No, it didn't have the Blizzard universe behind it. It never had the gabillion subscribers that Everquest enjoyed. Nor was it the first big MMORPG like Ultima Online. But there was something about Asheron's Call that made it unique.
Maybe it was the fantastic skill system that allowed you to level ANYTHING! Want to jump like Kobe Bryant? Just spend all your experience from killing monsters on your jump skill! You may not be able to do anything else, but hey, at least you can jump on houses in the center of town. AC (Asheron's Call) still holds the best skill system of any MMORPG I've played to date. No one started out with any particular class. You chose every trait the way you liked and hybrid classes were everywhere as opposed to most MMORPGs that want everyone to be a super-specialized subset. Neither did it have an easy-to-use system with few skills like some of the newer MMORPGs, because it divided everything into specific skills, and unlike Ultima Online which allowed anyone to macro a skill to death (i.e. continually doing the same action to increase it), it did reward repetition but mostly the killing of nasty things was what increased your expeience points. AC was the first MMORPG to establish a monthly content update system. I remember the popular websites at the time would be overrun by AC players as everyone waited the 12 hours or so as the servers were shut down and the newest monthly content was installed. Turbine would release a small poem or tale and we as gamers had to decipher it and figure out the clues that pointed to new hidden items and quests that would be installed after the monthly content. I remember the collectable action figures installed in one monthly patch. Every popular creature had its own action figure and the game felt like Ebay as people tried to complete their collections. At Christmas, holiday themed items were added. I remember when the Lugian Citadel was installed. It was a HUGE castle that contained the biggest, baddest giants in the realm who spawned like crazy. The floors of the citadel were littered with dead bodies as gamers tried to risk the fortress because it was a power leveler's dream. I could go on forever about the creative and memorable additions in each monthly content add-on that always made the game feel like a living and changing environment.
AC was the only MMORG that made people care about the lore and stories behind the game. You could find websites dedicated to ancient text found in the game. Quests always had some significant tie-in to the story. And speaking of the story, it was fantastic! We once logged in after a monthly update only to find one of the most popular towns in the game completely destroyed and a large crater in its place. When one of the most feared menaces in the game returned, a developer controlled a 100' tall creature who would roam from city to city destroying gamers who stood in his way. Turbine (the developers) even had a sense of humor and placed the infamous killer bunny rabbit from Monty Python & the Holy Grail in one of the highest level lands. Someone once aggroed the bunny to town and you've never seen anything more hilarious in your life! The highest level characters on my server were jumping on rocks, running for their lives, and doing anything to try and stay out of the way of this killer rabbit that would strike for 1000 damage and appeared virtually unstoppable. ROFL!
AC's biggest knock were its graphics, but I always found the engine beautiful. While I didn't have teh l00t pixels, nothing beat climbing up a large hill and watching a virtual sunset. Because of dyes and completely random items, AC characters all looked different. It was certainly one of the most colorful games I've played, as some MMORPGS seem to be full of a drab world of character creations. Even the monsters were unique. The odd sounding extremely fast sprites. The annoying drudges. The ground-stomping golems. The bug-like extremely powerful olthoi. And who could forget the ghost-like black shadows? It was always fun being a level 15 character and running into one of the random level 60 shadows as they tried to take over the online world of Dereth. (Which leads me to another monthly content story that I just don't have time to tell.) In the world of AC, "The Subway" is still one of the most unique locations in MMORPG history. Let me draw a picture of this place. You entered a cavern only to find a huge arena where hundreds of characters gathered and your text screen flowed at a million lines per hour as people tried to publicly pawn their items. Want to find ANY rare item in the game? Simply enter the subway with your best loot, and see if you could work a deal. Then..... continue down the cavern until you stop at a 200 feet drop. This is what separates the mice from the men. If you were a high level, you could take your chances and endure the fall. If you didn't think you were high enough, you could buff your stats hoping to surivive the fall. If you did make it to the bottom of the pit in one piece, you would find another meeting place in the subway, only this one was full of the game's highest level characters, and had 20 portals that went to all the best places in the game. Consider it an exclusive society for those that put the time into the game. Mixed in-between the chat of some of the most powerul monarchies (what served as guilds in AC) in the game were dead bodies of aspiring characters who had hoped to finally view the bottom of the Subway but couldn't quite survive the fall.
It's no wonder this game outlived its sequel. It was such a unique world, there was no way to ever match the beauty of the original. I think what impresses me the most about this game is it had no one to copy. It was one of the earliest big MMORPGs, and unlike some of the more recent popular franchises, it had no history of success or failure to base its strategy on. It was all new ground when Turbine developed this MMORPG. I wish some of today's MMORPG newbies who are having fun with World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy XI could have experienced Asheron's Call in its prime. It was truly a novel experience.
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- Zaxx
playing: darkfall
waiting: earthrise
This is pretty amazing how someone can come in here and continue to declare AC as the best game ever based on both user rating of which it isn't the highest even on this site and then the subject matter of differnt users who reviewed the game. Most people who play the games don't even post on message boards. It's hardly and accurrate way to judge weather a game is good or not. I wouldn't trust anyone on these websites to tell me weather a game is good or bad. I would judge for myself and I have judged for myself. They are all good games and they all appeal to differnt people. I'm not sure what you expect to prove. Everyone arleady knows that popularity doesn't mean something is good for you. On the otherhand McDonald's is taste good and is cheap which appeals to a lot of people even though it isn't healhty. WoW is the same price as other game per month and is a quality product.
AC has...8 reveiws on Gamespot? I guarantee if as many people played AC as they did WoW, you'd see a lot more reviews, and a lot more negative reviews. You can't dislike what you've never tried. Here's some of the reviews on the front page for WoW on gamespot:
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the only people who play this boring ass sh!ty game are nerds who live in there moms basement until they are 45
Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it.The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online but as for world of war craft the game designers were not thinking strait cuz the game is too easy.And after a while it gets boring!You are always boring the same thing again and again take a quest finish it get rewarded start over.The game gets boreing after only about ten hours of play.The graphics are balls like really it all looks like a Sunday morning cartoon and to add on top of that problem depending on what race you are the same environment's are repeated over and over again and i got so bored of it i was not able to get up to a high enough lvl to go anywhere else.The sounds are all recycled from previous better warcraft games.My conclusion don`t buy it recommended to no one.And the expansion adds only 2 races and thats it.The worst part about the game is every one at my school plays that game.The really should rename it to the world of warcrap.What a disappointment.
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When i started to play it was kinda fun ) but i remembered in guild wars,and compere to GW that game was bad,and the graphic is so awful
it remind me the music from the old games,like nintendo
and when you start it fun but after lvl 8 its gets, so boring the only thing that is it game is better than guild wars it only the big world but its so ugly world XD i prefer playing guild wars,to everyone that here WoW is great game dont belive them,try it for urself first because i didnt loved this game,and its always have movies vs guildwars i dont know why,because this game is MMO and guildwars is RPG just online,diffrent things ,WoW need to do battle with lineage XD,nobody will do it because LA2 is killing this game !!!
there is nothing that can compere lineage this game from a different world this game not for kids,WoW its for kids and lineage its for 16+
i loved warcraft 3,but WoW was so bad that i dont want to play,warcraft 3 anymore why they switched,from strategy to MMO ?? why ? diablo and warcraft was good but WoW is bad
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This is one of the reasons I don't focus too heavily on player reviews. One 'problem' WoW has is that it's insanely popular with a younger demographic. Younger people are annoying, as these reviews demonstrate.
Oh, and back on topic... So much effort for so little gain. The OP may have succeeded in firing up a good "discussion", but no one is going to run out and buy AC1 because of this. Carry on though, OP, I'm having a good laugh at your expense.
Perception is Reality.
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the only people who play this boring ass sh!ty game are nerds who live in there moms basement until they are 45
Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it.The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online but as for world of war craft the game designers were not thinking strait cuz the game is too easy.And after a while it gets boring!You are always boring the same thing again and again take a quest finish it get rewarded start over.The game gets boreing after only about ten hours of play.The graphics are balls like really it all looks like a Sunday morning cartoon and to add on top of that problem depending on what race you are the same environment's are repeated over and over again and i got so bored of it i was not able to get up to a high enough lvl to go anywhere else.The sounds are all recycled from previous better warcraft games.My conclusion don`t buy it recommended to no one.And the expansion adds only 2 races and thats it.The worst part about the game is every one at my school plays that game.The really should rename it to the world of warcrap.What a disappointment.
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When i started to play it was kinda fun ) but i remembered in guild wars,and compere to GW that game was bad,and the graphic is so awful
it remind me the music from the old games,like nintendo
and when you start it fun but after lvl 8 its gets, so boring the only thing that is it game is better than guild wars it only the big world but its so ugly world XD i prefer playing guild wars,to everyone that here WoW is great game dont belive them,try it for urself first because i didnt loved this game,and its always have movies vs guildwars i dont know why,because this game is MMO and guildwars is RPG just online,diffrent things ,WoW need to do battle with lineage XD,nobody will do it because LA2 is killing this game !!!
there is nothing that can compere lineage this game from a different world this game not for kids,WoW its for kids and lineage its for 16+
i loved warcraft 3,but WoW was so bad that i dont want to play,warcraft 3 anymore why they switched,from strategy to MMO ?? why ? diablo and warcraft was good but WoW is bad
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This is one of the reasons I don't focus too heavily on player reviews. One 'problem' WoW has is that it's insanely popular with a younger demographic. Younger people are annoying, as these reviews demonstrate.
You trying to help me prove my point or your own here? Because you're definitely not helping your own WoW-promoting cause by quoting players negative reviews of WoW vs my positive reviews of AC.
..But you are correct, pretty much all the websites user reviews are loaded with negative reviews of WoW, aren't they? And take a good look at all the websites user reviews of Asheron's Call again. Yep. That's right. "Best mmo ever"... "Classic mmo favorite"... "I wish that mmos today could be as great"... and on and on with the insane praises of AC with a sprinkle of neutral or negative reviews mostly cursing the old graphics or something.
...Now maybe you're starting to catch what I've been saying for 6 pages now.
Oh? WoW still "roxxerz" you say and AC still "suxxorz" you yell at me??? {thumbs up} Gotcha there buddy.
- Zaxx
Its funny how people think theyre cool for bashing an old classic like AC1 and couldnt think twice. In reality theyre only hurting themselves, cause that just adds to the incentive of the publishers and developers to keep on chugging out these bland games that suck compared to a classic like AC1.
This poster like many I see on this board just keeps repeating the same thing over and over again regardless of what you say to them. They are so convinced they are in the right that they will just keep posting the same thing as fact and thats all the proof they need.
AC beats WoW...
That's kind of like "Turd beats Poop". It's great and all, but really, it doesn't impact me at all.
I just spent some time looking through the user reviews on the first page of each game. AC1, WoW, and EQ. They all have positive, well written, reviews for the most part. They are all good games so I'm not sure what all the whinning is about. Obviously the user reviews wouldn't be at around the same for each game if the others were all users flamming the games. AC1 just droped a point in user ratings to 8.1 which is the same as WoW heh. I guess that 1.0 isn't such a big differnce after all. As I said before there aren't many people who play MMOs that actually bother to come to a site and review them.
On the rating system here on MMORPG.
Well I have to be honest, I have been playing Electronic games since, well pong. The first online game I played was doom when it was released. I Had played MUDs on the old BBS and been on broadband playing online games sence the late 80s. I had played the better known games such as EVE and WOW since their betas. Point being, I consider myself an average gamer.
It was not until last year when I was trying to get some info on a few games that a google search led me to here. Until then I had never heard of MMORPG.com
Point here is that I was like the 99.9% of gamers that are out there actually playing the games with no idea and really no intrest in finding a place to rate the game. If you go into any game (except EVE) and ask anyone you meet if the have visited , much less rated, the game on MMORPG.com I dare say that you would go days before finding one person that knows this place exists. This is because other than CCP, which fills compeled to point to MMORPG on their website, no other major game MFG will acknowledge that this place exists as there is no need.
The bottom line here is that ratings that any game gets here only matters to the people that actualy visit/post on this site. Too the 99.9% of game players in the world they could care less what rating this site give it. Now, if Adam or Morgan gave it a rating, then and only then would they care (maybe).
What exactly is the point of one game beating another game in ratings in this forum? All that shows is what the people here feel not what the majority of the worlds gamers feel about a game.
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AC has...8 reveiws on Gamespot? I guarantee if as many people played AC as they did WoW, you'd see a lot more reviews, and a lot more negative reviews. You can't dislike what you've never tried. Here's some of the reviews on the front page for WoW on gamespot:
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the only people who play this boring ass sh!ty game are nerds who live in there moms basement until they are 45
Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it.The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online but as for world of war craft the game designers were not thinking strait cuz the game is too easy.And after a while it gets boring!You are always boring the same thing again and again take a quest finish it get rewarded start over.The game gets boreing after only about ten hours of play.The graphics are balls like really it all looks like a Sunday morning cartoon and to add on top of that problem depending on what race you are the same environment's are repeated over and over again and i got so bored of it i was not able to get up to a high enough lvl to go anywhere else.The sounds are all recycled from previous better warcraft games.My conclusion don`t buy it recommended to no one.And the expansion adds only 2 races and thats it.The worst part about the game is every one at my school plays that game.The really should rename it to the world of warcrap.What a disappointment.
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When i started to play it was kinda fun ) but i remembered in guild wars,and compere to GW that game was bad,and the graphic is so awful
it remind me the music from the old games,like nintendo
and when you start it fun but after lvl 8 its gets, so boring the only thing that is it game is better than guild wars it only the big world but its so ugly world XD i prefer playing guild wars,to everyone that here WoW is great game dont belive them,try it for urself first because i didnt loved this game,and its always have movies vs guildwars i dont know why,because this game is MMO and guildwars is RPG just online,diffrent things ,WoW need to do battle with lineage XD,nobody will do it because LA2 is killing this game !!!
there is nothing that can compere lineage this game from a different world this game not for kids,WoW its for kids and lineage its for 16+
i loved warcraft 3,but WoW was so bad that i dont want to play,warcraft 3 anymore why they switched,from strategy to MMO ?? why ? diablo and warcraft was good but WoW is bad
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This is one of the reasons I don't focus too heavily on player reviews. One 'problem' WoW has is that it's insanely popular with a younger demographic. Younger people are annoying, as these reviews demonstrate.
You trying to help me prove my point or your own here? Because you're definitely not helping your own WoW-promoting cause by quoting players negative reviews of WoW vs my positive reviews of AC.
..But you are correct, pretty much all the websites user reviews are loaded with negative reviews of WoW, aren't they? And take a good look at all the websites user reviews of Asheron's Call again. Yep. That's right. "Best mmo ever"... "Classic mmo favorite"... "I wish that mmos today could be as great"... and on and on with the insane praises of AC with a sprinkle of neutral or negative reviews mostly cursing the old graphics or something.
...Now maybe you're starting to catch what I've been saying for 6 pages now.
Oh? WoW still "roxxerz" you say and AC still "suxxorz" you yell at me??? {thumbs up} Gotcha there buddy.
- Zaxx
The people who wrote those reviews have no grammatical skills whatsoever. They're sloppy, jumbled, worthless reviews. Seriously, read some of what they're saying:
"Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it."
If you can read that whole thing without having to stop and say "huh?", I'd be impressed.
The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online
He's obviously showing his age here. Complaining about an MMO that has a monthly fee, and then using LOTRO as an example of a 'really good game'?
And I'm not even going to try to pick out a quote from the second review, because he moves from one thought to another in a heartbeat (and without punctuation) and I really don't know what he was trying to say.
I had two points I was trying to convey by posting these reviews:
1. Player reviews are not reliable
2. The ratio of good/bad reviews does not say anything about the quality of the game itself
If you took either of those reviews seriously, I'm just going to stop arguing with you right here...and I shouldn't have to explain why.
But as I said before, WoW is drawing a large population of players who have never played MMOs before, and also a large population of younger people. These are some of the main reasons you see so many "OMGWTFBBQ WOW SUCKS WORST GAME LOL" types of reviews. MMOs are not everyone's cup of tea...and when you get 8.5 million people to drink your tea, you're going to have a lot more people who don't like it.
As far as your "Oh? WoW still "roxxerz" you say and AC still "suxxorz" you yell at me??? {thumbs up} Gotcha there buddy." comment, I appreciate your attempts to lessen the impact of my posts, but it's not doing any good. If you've actually read my posts in this thread, you'll find that I never said WoW 'roxxerz', nor did I say that AC 'suxxorz'. I haven't even been trying to convey that message at all, and my posts are written much better than what you're trying to dumb them down to be.
This entire topic stemmed from a user who said that AC's rating over WoW was an 'achievement'. and using it as a basis that "The MMO players have spoken." The ratings on this site mean nothing to 99.9% of the MMO population. He rants on, like you do, that so many people find WoW 'boring' and 'repetitive', while many reviews of AC are sparkling. But look at the type of negative reviews WoW has. You can't take them all seriously!
I still stand by my opinions that The ratings on this site do not matter in the world of MMORPGs, and that Player reviews alone cannot be used to judge a game. And unless you can give some sort of new information to prove me otherwise, instead of another post saying "Look at the reviews!", I don't think there's much left to discuss in this thread.
This thread honestly just needs to be locked. So far neither side has proven anything. You can keep spouting AC > WoW or WoW > AC till you turn blue in the face. Both of you will still be wrong. Because neither of your sides can prove what they say. As much as I love MMORPG.com the ratings on this site don't prove a damn thing. This thread only proves that MMO communities as a whole are very immature, and at best can only fall back on name calling to get their point across.
Thead has turned into nothing more then a name calling flame session.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
I second this point ... but what did we expect? I have a feeling that that was the aim of this thread anyway. Who really cares what game gets what rating, the most important stat of any mmorpg is that you enjoy playing it and nothing else ... there is true value for your money. I really don't care what game people play, as long as they have fun playing that game ... thats all that counts here ... not random stats. If I hate a game, does that make it bad and those that play fools - NO - it simply means that I don't like it and those that play do ... end of story
Why does this thread need to be locked? You keep reading it, and people keep making their points, arguments, and statements about what they feel to be true. So it must hold some interest level. It has gotten over 150 posts in a day and a half.
On the same token, if people keep name calling each other and arguing and fighting within the game of World of Warcraft, should they just lock up that game too? Makes about as much sense as locking a heavily posted thread with lots of interest.
..When people grow tired of this topic, then it will die on its own.
Oh yea, AC > WoW. {hearty laugh}
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The people who wrote those reviews have no grammatical skills whatsoever. They're sloppy, jumbled, worthless reviews. Seriously, read some of what they're saying:
"Wow i gotta be clear with you i hate this game its like coming out of a brutal fight being the winner but acheaving nothing for all your trobals but some broken bones and bloody cuts its just not worth it."
If you can read that whole thing without having to stop and say "huh?", I'd be impressed.
The number one thing i hate about this game is that it cost money monthly.Only really good games cost money monthly like LOTR online
He's obviously showing his age here. Complaining about an MMO that has a monthly fee, and then using LOTRO as an example of a 'really good game'?
And I'm not even going to try to pick out a quote from the second review, because he moves from one thought to another in a heartbeat (and without punctuation) and I really don't know what he was trying to say.
I had two points I was trying to convey by posting these reviews:
1. Player reviews are not reliable
2. The ratio of good/bad reviews does not say anything about the quality of the game itself
If you took either of those reviews seriously, I'm just going to stop arguing with you right here...and I shouldn't have to explain why.
But as I said before, WoW is drawing a large population of players who have never played MMOs before, and also a large population of younger people. These are some of the main reasons you see so many "OMGWTFBBQ WOW SUCKS WORST GAME LOL" types of reviews. MMOs are not everyone's cup of tea...and when you get 8.5 million people to drink your tea, you're going to have a lot more people who don't like it.
As far as your "Oh? WoW still "roxxerz" you say and AC still "suxxorz" you yell at me??? {thumbs up} Gotcha there buddy." comment, I appreciate your attempts to lessen the impact of my posts, but it's not doing any good. If you've actually read my posts in this thread, you'll find that I never said WoW 'roxxerz', nor did I say that AC 'suxxorz'. I haven't even been trying to convey that message at all, and my posts are written much better than what you're trying to dumb them down to be.
This entire topic stemmed from a user who said that AC's rating over WoW was an 'achievement'. and using it as a basis that "The MMO players have spoken." The ratings on this site mean nothing to 99.9% of the MMO population. He rants on, like you do, that so many people find WoW 'boring' and 'repetitive', while many reviews of AC are sparkling. But look at the type of negative reviews WoW has. You can't take them all seriously!
I still stand by my opinions that The ratings on this site do not matter in the world of MMORPGs, and that Player reviews alone cannot be used to judge a game. And unless you can give some sort of new information to prove me otherwise, instead of another post saying "Look at the reviews!", I don't think there's much left to discuss in this thread.
Nope. Player reviews don't matter. Players opinions don't matter (unless, ofcourse they say that WoW is the greatest game ever, right?) This websites rating system doesn't matter, because ofcourse WoW is not ranked #1. If WoW was ranked #1, I'd bet you 50 bucks you'd say it was the most accurate rating system in the world.
You talk about AC defenders talking all high and mighty and down at WoW. But you absolutely refuse ANYTHING that says WoW isn't #1, and you refuse ANYBODY who says WoW sucks.
There is plenty to discuss in this thread. Since you want to be all mature and act like some professional on this GAMESITE compared to the people who have posted that they don't like World of Warcraft - Give me 10 reasons WHY or HOW World of Warcraft is better then Asherons Call. And I dont wanna see 10 reasons that Wow has better graphics, WoW looks prettier, WoW is cooler type crap either. Give me solid reasons.
Oh yea, that's gonna be pretty hard for you to do huh -becuase you never even played Asheron's Call right?
I can see why you stand so firm that WoW is superior. You've never even played the game that helped pave the way for WoW to be born five years later.
You want solid reasons why Asherons Call is better then WoW? I'll give you atleast 20 if you just ask. Easily.
Hold up a second! STOP! Just give me a second to swallow before you force more words into my mouth. I AM NOT making an argument, on any side, on the WoW vs AC debate. You're simply replying to what you WISHED I had posted, instead of what I'm actually trying to argue.
My entire argument in this thread is about the use of MMORPG's rating system as the sole basis of judgment on a game, and that relying purely on player reveiws to support your argument does not hold much weight.
Got it?
Seriously, if you want to reply to my posts, then reply to my POSTS. In my last post I gave an example of why player reviews are untrustworthy. I pasted two negative reviews for WoW. They are both extremely poorly written reviews, and they both support my claims that all player reviews must be taken with a grain of salt, and that just because a game has bad reviews doesn't mean it's a bad game. If you'd like to say something in an attempt to refute those claims, I'd be happy to listen to it.
But if you're going to continue to make replies to posts I haven't even made, and ignoring the claims I'm actually putting forth, then I have nothing further to say.
Nice. So a players opinion of a game shouldn't count if they cannot formulate complete sentences and if they cannot use correct grammar??
...Very interesting.
If that's the case, log into World of Warcraft for an hour or so and listen to the common community chat. According to you, about 99% of those who play WoW cannot speak intelligently and speak very, very childish. So 99% of the WoW player base shouldn't count because they chat and speak in a childish form.
...Shouldn't this totally discredit WoW's success, WoW's numbers, and WoW's ratings as well then? Hey.. I didn't say that people who can't speak in intellectual formats should be totally discredited altogether. YOU said that. I'm just going off what YOU said, and taking that a step further. ...Seems logical to me.
Think about what you say before you discredit everyone's opinions just because you don't think they type intelligently.
THEIR OPINION STILL MATTERS DON'T IT? THEY ARE STILL A PLAYER AREN'T THEY?
You can sit there and say that you aren't defending WoW all you like. It's blatantly obvious that you are doing everything..and I do mean EVERYTHING you can to protect WoW vs the mighty threat of a really small game like Asheron's Call.
- Zaxx
Well I can tell you this much, their opinions won't matter to me. The ability, or inability, to convey your ideas appropriately says a lot about a person. If I read a review that says "omg this game sux so bad, all th players r mean and the levelin gis boring 2 grind grind grind no1 should play thsi game", I'm not going to take it seriously. Why? Because there's no real content in that review, and I don't like having to stop to try to figure out what someone is saying because of his poor typing abilities.
Gross generalization. WoW has more mature players than any other MMO has, the problem is it also has more immature players as well. But you're right, if I read a review that said "DUDE wowz the best especialy the rogues its like u sneak up 2 people and stab stan and there dead!" I certainly wouldn't count that as a 'reason' that WoW is a good game.
They should be discredited from being used in Game X is better than Game Y discussions, in my opinion. Like I said though, WoW has more mature players than any other MMO. And just because I'm going to ignore someone from influencing my opinion of the game, doesn't mean I'm going to discredit the game itself. If they're happy, and they like the game, who am I to say otherwise? I can't say "You don't count to WoW's success because you can't speak English", but I can say "I'm not going to let you influence my personal opinion on a game because you can't speak English."
Like I said, the way a person types reflects the person himself. Someone who says "the pvp in this game sucks lik all the mages ar so overpoweed they need to be nurfed but they never do you sholdn't play", probably has a different mindset than a person who says "The PvP in this game is horribly imbalanced towards ranged casters, to the point where PvP itself isn't enjoyable unless you happen to play the 'right' class." I usually ignore the former type of reviews because the people who write them, for the most part, aren't like me. We have different mindsets. Plus, he just sounds stupid. Would you ask your average 10-year-old his thoughts on the U.S.'s border security?
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Honestly, comparison between the two games are not very valid. This come mainly from the fact that AC was already old when MMORPG.com was created. Since most people usually don't buy 4 years old games,chances is that a good part of 1000 ac reviews come from old fan of the game who were either still playing AC at the time or had really enjoyed the game. I seriously doubt that many people who hated the game took the time, 4 years later to go rate the game.
On the other hand, MMORPG.com was already fairly well known when WoW went retail. Thus any player how disliked the game could almost instantly rate the game in consequence. Plus let's not forget the "WoW-hate" bandwagon that seems fairly big and that it is now the fashionable thing to hate WoW when you're not playing the game and that, even if you liked the game before you quit.
Anyway, suffice to say that when someone look back on a game he played 4 years ago, chances are he won't exactly rate it the same as he would a game he just quit for X or Y reason.
By the way, I'm not saying either game is better then the other ( I'm not playing either anymore), just that the rating system is unreliable and biased in the first place.
Are you an idiot?
Because you sound like an idiot.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
THE THREAD ENDS HERE!!!!!
ps: Arumahn > AC
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