Yay, somebody likes me . Basically this is going to be the same thing as the WoW vs. EQ2 battles. There's lots of arguments going on between those 2 games. In theory, you should be able to state which ever game you like without being right or wrong. It's just oppinion. And the fact that i liked this movie was oppinion based only. I will admit that some things Micheal Moore said was not correct, but maybe that was just his oppinion as well.
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Right, you can state whether or not you like something and not be right or wrong. You just have to back up your argument with your reasons though(personal experience). Truth most of the time is relative anyway.
-------------------- "Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
Originally posted by Nmbr6 Tell me, where the hell do you think all the money for bush campaign comes from?
That is a good question and I am glad you asked. I am always willing to spread the real information.
Bush gets most of his money from small donations. Bush broke the record for small donations in 2000, and he is breaking his own record this year. In general, republicans get more of their money from smaller donations while the democrats get more of the very large donations (see George Soros). For example, here are the numbers from the 2002 elections.
Donations
$200-999: GOP $68 mil, DNC $44 mil
$1,000-9,999: GOP $317 mil, DNC $307 mil
$10,000+: GOP $111 mil, DNC $140 mil
$100,000+: GOP $34 mil, DNC $72 mil
$1,000,000+: GOP $3 mil, DNC $36 mil
See a pattern there?
Totals were GOP $384 mil, DNC $350 mil. The GOP collected a little less than 10% more money, yet they had 40% more donors. So, there is our lesson today on where the money comes from.
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 So if i said that becuase your a republican your a red-neck/hillbilly would that be true?
One second! rednecks? Republicans? Well. If you were to base it off of a couple of power-players in politics. Democrats would definitely have Republicans beat in the redneck area. I mean they're the ones that got Al Gore and Bill clinton!
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 So if i said that becuase your a republican your a red-neck/hillbilly would that be true?
One second! rednecks? Republicans? Well. If you were to base it off of a couple of power-players in politics. Democrats would definitely have Republicans beat in the redneck area. I mean they're the ones that got Al Gore and Bill clinton!
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
I know its unture, but regardless, it is the styreotype of a rebublican. I was using it as an example to prove that styreotypes aren't ture.
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fat, good for nothing... lied his ass off ---------------------------------------------- Which just happens to be most of the Republicans in office
Which happends to be.....Uhh....All politicans in office. Politician meaning, "Somone who biasedly lies to the public professionally."
A democrat. A person in a political party in some governments thats main thesis is to take assets from one group of people and give to another.
"A politican. Somone who fights with the other part for no particular reason other then to fight."
"Liar. Liars. Lies. Fibs. Half-truths. Bamboozled, hoodwinked. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression. To present false information with the intention of deceiving. "
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Murt Bijani. I suggest you take a few moments to breathe and settle down. As I have been scrolling this forum i've noticed you to be the only one to take up a fanatical view on a movie based solely off opinions. And at the same time have a complete disgusting outburst of Immaturity that I had assumed you were over, but I was wrong!
Please, do not force me to lock this thread up due to your misbehavior Murt. I wouldn't like to see a discussion over Ideas/Opinions being taken down, just because your view is different.
I'm not telling you to become a "Liveral" or anything of the sort, I'm asking you to tone down your Fanatical view into something that's tolerable.
-- pwnt
KillerTwinkie - That one guy who used to mod mmorpg.com's forums.
I thought it was socialistic government.....or close to it.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 Originally posted by MurtBijani Originally posted by Bobjones1303 you asume that all becuase rathma is canadian he is a liberal. He may be, or he may not be. All because he is Canadian doesn't mean that he is liberal.....steroytypes. I know some republicans and they aren't red-neck/hillbillies, and i know some Canadians that love Bush. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal serverpoint taken, I'll try and remember that It seems better when you don't alter someones writing when you quote them. Because i can do the same to you!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Ahh, but you see, he did not "alter" what you wrote. He just picked out the snippets he thought was important.
That is EXACTLY what Michael Moore did in this movie. You can easily take snippets of what somebody says and make it look like they said anything you want them to.
That is the whole point...
But, Murt did not change the meaning of what you said, so he didn't take it as far as the Jackass known as Moore.
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 you asume that all becuase rathma is canadian he is a liberal. He may be, or he may not be. All because he is Canadian doesn't mean that he is liberal.....steroytypes. I know some republicans and they aren't red-neck/hillbillies, and i know some Canadians that love Bush. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server point taken, I'll try and remember that
It seems better when you don't alter someones writing when you quote them. Because i can do the same to you! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
...he did ... "alter" what you wrote. He just picked out... [what] he thought was important.
That is EXACTLY what... somebody says and make it look like they said... you want them...
That is the whole point...
But, Murt did...change the meaning of...Jackass...
Originally posted by LoD254 I was showing you an example of taking things out of context. I still hate Bush though. Even though he's funny, in an ignorant kind of way.
Exactly. You have proven my point. That is exactly what Michael Moore's movie is. Exactly.
Bush did have more vacation than even me. I'm now a high school graduate. You can hate the movie all you want as long as you agree with me on his right to make it.
Off the off topic... can you guys see my sig? It only allows me to see it when I'm logged on.
Originally posted by LoD254 Bush did have more vacation than even me. I'm now a high school graduate. You can hate the movie all you want as long as you agree with me on his right to make it. Off the off topic... can you guys see my sig? It only allows me to see it when I'm logged on.
I am just sick of Moore's movies being called documentaries. There is a point when you go beyond editing out useless information to where you are knowingly altering the truth. Moore's movies are no longer documentaries, they are fiction movies which are loosely based on a true story.
Originally posted by killerTwinkie Murt Bijani. I suggest you take a few moments to breathe and settle down. As I have been scrolling this forum i've noticed you to be the only one to take up a fanatical view on a movie based solely off opinions. And at the same time have a complete disgusting outburst of Immaturity that I had assumed you were over, but I was wrong!
Please, do not force me to lock this thread up due to your misbehavior Murt. I wouldn't like to see a discussion over Ideas/Opinions being taken down, just because your view is different.
I'm not telling you to become a "Liveral" or anything of the sort, I'm asking you to tone down your Fanatical view into something that's tolerable.
Originally posted by zide56 Originally posted by killerTwinkieMurt Bijani. I suggest you take a few moments to breathe and settle down. As I have been scrolling this forum i've noticed you to be the only one to take up a fanatical view on a movie based solely off opinions. And at the same time have a complete disgusting outburst of Immaturity that I had assumed you were over, but I was wrong!Please, do not force me to lock this thread up due to your misbehavior Murt. I wouldn't like to see a discussion over Ideas/Opinions being taken down, just because your view is different.I'm not telling you to become a "Liveral" or anything of the sort, I'm asking you to tone down your Fanatical view into something that's tolerable. -- pwnt I smell the horrid stench of moderator bias.
Nope, no bias.
There is just a history between Murt and political threads on MMORPG.COM...
<Quote>[Insert everything Murt's said in this thread here]</quote>
I find it ironic how you feel that these liberal's videos are bias and full of lies, when all you're doing is reading bias conservatives' articles via the internet that scarcely give citations.
At least Michael Moore backs his stuff up with evidence, even if it is distorted to his bias.
Think of this, Murt: What if Michael Moore was a conservative, sporting your opinions in his movies? Even if he still used the same "style" of evidence? Would you still think he's a fat moron who perverts the truth?
In reply to a specific comment you made: "WHEN WILL ALL U LIBERALS OPEN UR EYES AND SEE THAT BUSH/CHENEY ISNT MAKING ANY MONEY?!?!?!!!!!!!11111oneone" [Paraphrasing] You could say the same on the other side; When will you conservative open your eyes and see that Bush and Cheney are making a fortune on this war? It's easy to make claims like that, Murt, when you don't have to put up evidence.
As said in one of the very early posts, it's all a bunch of the classic "He said/She said," until someone puts up evidence--which most of you refrain from doing, seeing as you're too busy bashing Moore or Bush or Aquaman to research.
I haven't even seen the movie yet, and I think it's a great movie. Any movie that can get people talking and debating serious issues is a great movie in my book.
Flame away.
_____________________________________ "Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro; Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore." -Machiavelli
I don't know why people are making such a huge deal over this movie. Hey guys, i have a great idea for those of you who hate Micheal Moore.... Don't watch the movie!
It seems like you guys think you are being forced to watch this movie, well you aren't. It's just a view on some guys oppinion. It doesn't alter anything in the economy, nothing is being harmed. He's simply just stating his oppinion.
The funny thing is, the more controversial this movie gets, the more money it will rake in.
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Man this thread is growing quickly. Everyone is going away from the Eq2 vs. WoW battle.....makes me feel sad....
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Lol true that but im still keeping the hype up about EQ2.
And bTW everyone here u better play EQ2 and hype the game up.
Playing: City of Heroes/ Dark Age of Camelot
Upcoming: EverQuest II
Right, you can state whether or not you like something and not be right or wrong. You just have to back up your argument with your reasons though(personal experience). Truth most of the time is relative anyway.
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Guardians of Scotland
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"Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
That is a good question and I am glad you asked. I am always willing to spread the real information.
Bush gets most of his money from small donations. Bush broke the record for small donations in 2000, and he is breaking his own record this year. In general, republicans get more of their money from smaller donations while the democrats get more of the very large donations (see George Soros). For example, here are the numbers from the 2002 elections.
Donations
$200-999: GOP $68 mil, DNC $44 mil
$1,000-9,999: GOP $317 mil, DNC $307 mil
$10,000+: GOP $111 mil, DNC $140 mil
$100,000+: GOP $34 mil, DNC $72 mil
$1,000,000+: GOP $3 mil, DNC $36 mil
See a pattern there?
Totals were GOP $384 mil, DNC $350 mil. The GOP collected a little less than 10% more money, yet they had 40% more donors. So, there is our lesson today on where the money comes from.
One second! rednecks? Republicans? Well. If you were to base it off of a couple of power-players in politics. Democrats would definitely have Republicans beat in the redneck area. I mean they're the ones that got Al Gore and Bill clinton!
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Hahaha, that's funny and also true at the same time
Playing: City of Heroes/ Dark Age of Camelot
Upcoming: EverQuest II
One second! rednecks? Republicans? Well. If you were to base it off of a couple of power-players in politics. Democrats would definitely have Republicans beat in the redneck area. I mean they're the ones that got Al Gore and Bill clinton!
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
I know its unture, but regardless, it is the styreotype of a rebublican. I was using it as an example to prove that styreotypes aren't ture.
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Which happends to be.....Uhh....All politicans in office. Politician meaning, "Somone who biasedly lies to the public professionally."
A democrat. A person in a political party in some governments thats main thesis is to take assets from one group of people and give to another.
"A politican. Somone who fights with the other part for no particular reason other then to fight."
"Liar. Liars. Lies. Fibs. Half-truths. Bamboozled, hoodwinked. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression. To present false information with the intention of deceiving. "
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
dude that's not cool
you can't just come in a political argument and alter my writing to make me on the otherside,
when I altered your writing, i deleted the first paragraph, i was only aiming at the second paragraph, your argument was still the same.
that is just immature.
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Please, do not force me to lock this thread up due to your misbehavior Murt. I wouldn't like to see a discussion over Ideas/Opinions being taken down, just because your view is different.
I'm not telling you to become a "Liveral" or anything of the sort, I'm asking you to tone down your Fanatical view into something that's tolerable.
-- pwnt
KillerTwinkie - That one guy who used to mod mmorpg.com's forums.
This is probably the most controversy in a movie so far on the forums
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Jeeze, I hope we don't get into a big argument when we all go see spiderman 2 this week
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Upcoming: EverQuest II
I thought it was socialistic government.....or close to it.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Ahh, but you see, he did not "alter" what you wrote. He just picked out the snippets he thought was important.
That is EXACTLY what Michael Moore did in this movie. You can easily take snippets of what somebody says and make it look like they said anything you want them to.
That is the whole point...
But, Murt did not change the meaning of what you said, so he didn't take it as far as the Jackass known as Moore.
...he did ... "alter" what you wrote. He just picked out... [what] he thought was important.
That is EXACTLY what... somebody says and make it look like they said... you want them...
That is the whole point...
But, Murt did...change the meaning of...Jackass...
Exactly. You have proven my point. That is exactly what Michael Moore's movie is. Exactly.
Bush did have more vacation than even me. I'm now a high school graduate. You can hate the movie all you want as long as you agree with me on his right to make it.
Off the off topic... can you guys see my sig? It only allows me to see it when I'm logged on.
Nope, no bias.
There is just a history between Murt and political threads on MMORPG.COM...
<Quote>[Insert everything Murt's said in this thread here]</quote>
I find it ironic how you feel that these liberal's videos are bias and full of lies, when all you're doing is reading bias conservatives' articles via the internet that scarcely give citations.
At least Michael Moore backs his stuff up with evidence, even if it is distorted to his bias.
Think of this, Murt: What if Michael Moore was a conservative, sporting your opinions in his movies? Even if he still used the same "style" of evidence? Would you still think he's a fat moron who perverts the truth?
In reply to a specific comment you made: "WHEN WILL ALL U LIBERALS OPEN UR EYES AND SEE THAT BUSH/CHENEY ISNT MAKING ANY MONEY?!?!?!!!!!!!11111oneone" [Paraphrasing]
You could say the same on the other side; When will you conservative open your eyes and see that Bush and Cheney are making a fortune on this war? It's easy to make claims like that, Murt, when you don't have to put up evidence.
As said in one of the very early posts, it's all a bunch of the classic "He said/She said," until someone puts up evidence--which most of you refrain from doing, seeing as you're too busy bashing Moore or Bush or Aquaman to research.
I haven't even seen the movie yet, and I think it's a great movie. Any movie that can get people talking and debating serious issues is a great movie in my book.
Flame away.
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"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
I don't know why people are making such a huge deal over this movie. Hey guys, i have a great idea for those of you who hate Micheal Moore.... Don't watch the movie!
It seems like you guys think you are being forced to watch this movie, well you aren't. It's just a view on some guys oppinion. It doesn't alter anything in the economy, nothing is being harmed. He's simply just stating his oppinion.
The funny thing is, the more controversial this movie gets, the more money it will rake in.
Playing: City of Heroes/ Dark Age of Camelot
Upcoming: EverQuest II