God, this has turned into bash-city, why don't you people stop bashing, right-wing, left-wing, conservatives, liberals, the war in Iraq, CANADIANS (as i am one), and keep your complaints to yourself! You fools, if all we do is sit on your asses and complain and assume things about this world will become worse and worse. As a teacher once told me, ASSUME just makes an ASS of U and ME. First of all, to understand anything about any situations, you HAVE TO see every side of the argument, which is nearly immpossible. Another mistake made by many is that things they see are real, can't you people see! Most media is a modified truth!!!! Everything you see on television has been modified to make you go on someones side. Everything we see in media these days, are ALL made to BUY INTO the makers story, even commercials, made so we will BUY their prodect. Though there is usually truth it is mixed with lies.
If you BELEIVE in something enough for you to go on this site and express anti-anything feelings through a post, why don't you go and try to do something about it. I beleive you should go see the movie even if you hate Moore. This will show you another side of the story, though it may not be right. God people have to start thinking NOT , how am I "RIGHT", and start thinking, how are other's "RIGHT", and how can I use their input and my own, to make better descisions that will give to humanity. No one is actually "RIGHT", and I beleive the only way to be right in any sense, is to use everyone's ideas, and thoughts,to make a world that is based on everyones emotions!
The gouverment today is polluted by greedy, rich, corrupt people. Either we stop complaining about this fact, or stand up and try to make our say. Everyone can have a say, and I know when I reach an age that will have a say in this world, I am not going to sit back and complain about my gouvernement, and their descisions, or anyone else's gouvernement for that matter. We MUST realize that NO PERSON is ever going to be able to fix the mistakes humanity has made, only HUMANITY itself, working togethor as a whole will ever be able to do anything, to create a "RIGHT" way. So throw down your prejeduices of others, try to see everyone's side of every argument, make your OWN descisions and don't let media effect your thoughts. Do not put down, or humiliate others beleifs, and do not complain about your situation if you aren't doing anything to change it for the better.
In doing this, I believe this is the closest to right humanity will ever come, because doing this everyone will finally be able to work togethor, we won't have to seperate our world into "countries" we will not have different gouvernements. We will be able to acheive a world where every person ACTUALLY has a say, unlike the democracy of today. A world with one group of leaders, of different backgrounds, not just the rich men and women who have enough money to run a campaign. Maybe what I have said is not all true, but I truly beleive that many of these ideas could be used to make this world a much better place then it is today.
So the point I am trying to make is stop bashing people and people's beleifs, and keep all your beleifs to yourself, unless you are willing to make sacrifices and do what it takes to attempt to change the world. And my advice is go see Fahrenheit 9/11, because in not doing so you are MISSING a point made by someone, though it may not all be true, EVERYTHING has some truth, and we must learn to take the hidden truths from everything, if we want to make anything even close to the "truth".
If no one is right. Then why are you saying what we should do? I mean by your own ideals, why are you saying what we should do? Because by your own ideals, your pretty much wrong as well, or well, just not right.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Liammccarthy God, this has turned into bash-city, why don't you people stop bashing, right-wing, left-wing, conservatives, liberals, the war in Iraq, CANADIANS (as i am one), and keep your complaints to yourself! You fools, if all we do is sit on your asses and complain and assume things about this world will become worse and worse. As a teacher once told me, ASSUME just makes an ASS of U and ME. First of all, to understand anything about any situations, you HAVE TO see every side of the argument, which is nearly immpossible. Another mistake made by many is that things they see are real, can't you people see! Most media is a modified truth!!!! Everything you see on television has been modified to make you go on someones side. Everything we see in media these days, are ALL made to BUY INTO the makers story, even commercials, made so we will BUY their prodect. Though there is usually truth it is mixed with lies. If you BELEIVE in something enough for you to go on this site and express anti-anything feelings through a post, why don't you go and try to do something about it. I beleive you should go see the movie even if you hate Moore. This will show you another side of the story, though it may not be right. God people have to start thinking NOT , how am I "RIGHT", and start thinking, how are other's "RIGHT", and how can I use their input and my own, to make better descisions that will give to humanity. No one is actually "RIGHT", and I beleive the only way to be right in any sense, is to use everyone's ideas, and thoughts,to make a world that is based on everyones emotions! The gouverment today is polluted by greedy, rich, corrupt people. Either we stop complaining about this fact, or stand up and try to make our say. Everyone can have a say, and I know when I reach an age that will have a say in this world, I am not going to sit back and complain about my gouvernement, and their descisions, or anyone else's gouvernement for that matter. We MUST realize that NO PERSON is ever going to be able to fix the mistakes humanity has made, only HUMANITY itself, working togethor as a whole will ever be able to do anything, to create a "RIGHT" way. So throw down your prejeduices of others, try to see everyone's side of every argument, make your OWN descisions and don't let media effect your thoughts. Do not put down, or humiliate others beleifs, and do not complain about your situation if you aren't doing anything to change it for the better. In doing this, I believe this is the closest to right humanity will ever come, because doing this everyone will finally be able to work togethor, we won't have to seperate our world into "countries" we will not have different gouvernements. We will be able to acheive a world where every person ACTUALLY has a say, unlike the democracy of today. A world with one group of leaders, of different backgrounds, not just the rich men and women who have enough money to run a campaign. Maybe what I have said is not all true, but I truly beleive that many of these ideas could be used to make this world a much better place then it is today. So the point I am trying to make is stop bashing people and people's beleifs, and keep all your beleifs to yourself, unless you are willing to make sacrifices and do what it takes to attempt to change the world. And my advice is go see Fahrenheit 9/11, because in not doing so you are MISSING a point made by someone, though it may not all be true, EVERYTHING has some truth, and we must learn to take the hidden truths from everything, if we want to make anything even close to the "truth".
Now that is whining. We are having a "Discussion". In a discussion one is expected to present his/her views on the topic. Some don't like Kerry, some Bush, some both. Freedom of speech allows us to express that.
Originally posted by ViolentY Actually, "poly" means many. The joke is a lot better when it's told verbally instead of through text--and when it's by Gallagher.
I know hehe, I was just trying to get some giggles in this hell hole.....
Originally posted by Galoot "I find it ironic how you feel that these liberal's videos are bias and full of lies, when all you're doing is reading bias conservatives' articles via the internet that scarcely give citations." Yeah I see your point. Here's an article from a well known conservative.
An interesting article that raises some valid points and points out some of Moores obvious bias. But alot of the article (Which is obviously by another biased opinion) Is saying Moore is contradicting himself when he says "not enough or not at all" when those when meant to be demonstrated as examples for oposing arguments. Not to mention he leaps at Moore alot saying (although articulately put) "Well if Bush had done this, then Moore would have made this up, and if Bush had done this, then Moore would have made this up.." Which is possible, I mean theres no denying Moore seems to have "hate chubby" for Bush, but unfortunatly theres to much bias on either side to discern the shit from the bullshit.
The bottom line is (ignoring Moore's opinions and debatable facts) Bush has openly "changed his answers" gave misleading answers or given answers completely irrelevant from the question, and we can all smell what he's shoveling. Kerry is also a poor choice since most of the speeches I've seen him make he seems like the kind of politician who sits around saying everything he thinks you want to hear.
I myself am Canadian, and sadly enough our choices for this last election have left alot to be desired as well. the "Parties Quebecois" wants Quebec to seperate from Canada (where I live and am in the english minority), and wants Canada to give them all the money for it and flip the bill for the work involved, The liberal party has done nothing but lie, drive up prices, taxes and try to eliminate social benefits decreasing healthcare & pention plans and the conservative party wants God to start deciding our politics... If we were playing poker using our Politicians as cards, I'd suggest we;'d both fold and re-shuffle.
If you don't feel like paying Moore to see the movie, you can download it here. Don't worry, it seems Moore doesn't mind as long as you don't attempt to make a profit from it.
I dont agree with the copyright laws and I dont have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people. As long as theyre not doing it to make a profit, you know, as long as theyre not trying to make a profit off my labor. I would oppose that.
They needa put that on yahoo. Hes made enough money!
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Yes, in this dam capatalist society we call perfect money rules every ascpect of our so called "free" lives. If he have alot of money than we are powerful and superior in everyone's eyes, but for the less rich people, well they are only tools for which the rich can use to assert control over us. Capatalism is the best idea. People think that it is what the U.S.S.R. used, but that is a more of a toliteriany form of it. Comunism is where everyone is working towards a greater goal. Unlike capatalism's exploitest methods. Comunism may have been domed to fail in the past due to humanities selfis ways, but that can change! Don't be a hater, Vote for Nator!!
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Oh ya. Communism roxxorz. I mean, you never can make more money, there is no point in being good at your job, theres no point in being a engineer instead of working at McD's, etc. etc. etc.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Communism is an ideal form of goverment, but it has never been used correctly. Thus is the reason why so many people have bad ideas about it. It has never worked before becuase humans are selfish, uncopoerative creatures destined to fight amongest themselves till they are destoryed. Capatlism is exploitest and places the control of power in the rich's hands.
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Communism looks great on paper. As does every "ism" and "arcy". None of them work very well. Because fallen men don't know how to execute their ideas of leadership correctly. Even if they do, some jackass(es) comes along and completely destroys the underpinnings that they used their blood to construct.
Sorry for the American history lesson. Had to get it out.
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 Communism is an ideal form of government, but it has never been used correctly. Thus is the reason why so many people have bad ideas about it. It has never worked before because humans are selfish, uncopoerative creatures destined to fight amongest themselves till they are destoryed. capitalism is exploitest and places the control of power in the rich's hands.
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Although capitalism has problems with a big rich-poor gap, I think the problem is with the USA's form of capitalism, a two party system. You can either pick the big government, poverty pimps(democrats) or the big industry rich boys(republicans). We hardly even vote, the parties pick the candidates to vote on. We need more third-party candidates and a more down to earth parties. When the race comes down to Bush and Kerry, you know something is wrong.
-------------------- "Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
Communism would only work with a pre-fallen adam type of people. But then there would be no point to government at all.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
It's interesting to see that in the goal of a free market in capatalist society is to have your product sell better then anyone elses and eventually corner a market. And when you do they cry monopoly and try to do what they can to legally stop you from achieving what the goal in the open market is.... It has a certain sense of irony. I'm no fan of monopolies, they cause increased prices, loss of jobs and are overall bad for the economy. But I've always seen the subject as just one of those things that makes you go "hmmm".
Fun fact: Gates donates more to charity anually then the entire US government. (which is well beyond the allowd max for use as a tax shelter so don't say thats why )
Thats because Gates is the second richest man in the world with more than 60 billion. The Unites States Government is now 7 trillion down the drain or something. Look at this link here. サ ー ス ベ ン
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
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God, this has turned into bash-city, why don't you people stop bashing, right-wing, left-wing, conservatives, liberals, the war in Iraq, CANADIANS (as i am one), and keep your complaints to yourself! You fools, if all we do is sit on your asses and complain and assume things about this world will become worse and worse. As a teacher once told me, ASSUME just makes an ASS of U and ME. First of all, to understand anything about any situations, you HAVE TO see every side of the argument, which is nearly immpossible. Another mistake made by many is that things they see are real, can't you people see! Most media is a modified truth!!!! Everything you see on television has been modified to make you go on someones side. Everything we see in media these days, are ALL made to BUY INTO the makers story, even commercials, made so we will BUY their prodect. Though there is usually truth it is mixed with lies.
If you BELEIVE in something enough for you to go on this site and express anti-anything feelings through a post, why don't you go and try to do something about it. I beleive you should go see the movie even if you hate Moore. This will show you another side of the story, though it may not be right. God people have to start thinking NOT , how am I "RIGHT", and start thinking, how are other's "RIGHT", and how can I use their input and my own, to make better descisions that will give to humanity. No one is actually "RIGHT", and I beleive the only way to be right in any sense, is to use everyone's ideas, and thoughts,to make a world that is based on everyones emotions!
The gouverment today is polluted by greedy, rich, corrupt people. Either we stop complaining about this fact, or stand up and try to make our say. Everyone can have a say, and I know when I reach an age that will have a say in this world, I am not going to sit back and complain about my gouvernement, and their descisions, or anyone else's gouvernement for that matter. We MUST realize that NO PERSON is ever going to be able to fix the mistakes humanity has made, only HUMANITY itself, working togethor as a whole will ever be able to do anything, to create a "RIGHT" way. So throw down your prejeduices of others, try to see everyone's side of every argument, make your OWN descisions and don't let media effect your thoughts. Do not put down, or humiliate others beleifs, and do not complain about your situation if you aren't doing anything to change it for the better.
In doing this, I believe this is the closest to right humanity will ever come, because doing this everyone will finally be able to work togethor, we won't have to seperate our world into "countries" we will not have different gouvernements. We will be able to acheive a world where every person ACTUALLY has a say, unlike the democracy of today. A world with one group of leaders, of different backgrounds, not just the rich men and women who have enough money to run a campaign. Maybe what I have said is not all true, but I truly beleive that many of these ideas could be used to make this world a much better place then it is today.
So the point I am trying to make is stop bashing people and people's beleifs, and keep all your beleifs to yourself, unless you are willing to make sacrifices and do what it takes to attempt to change the world. And my advice is go see Fahrenheit 9/11, because in not doing so you are MISSING a point made by someone, though it may not all be true, EVERYTHING has some truth, and we must learn to take the hidden truths from everything, if we want to make anything even close to the "truth".
"No one is actually "RIGHT","
If no one is right. Then why are you saying what we should do? I mean by your own ideals, why are you saying what we should do? Because by your own ideals, your pretty much wrong as well, or well, just not right.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
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mike moore sucks and most of his other films have also, so i see no reason to wath this one.
An interesting article that raises some valid points and points out some of Moores obvious bias. But alot of the article (Which is obviously by another biased opinion) Is saying Moore is contradicting himself when he says "not enough or not at all" when those when meant to be demonstrated as examples for oposing arguments. Not to mention he leaps at Moore alot saying (although articulately put) "Well if Bush had done this, then Moore would have made this up, and if Bush had done this, then Moore would have made this up.." Which is possible, I mean theres no denying Moore seems to have "hate chubby" for Bush, but unfortunatly theres to much bias on either side to discern the shit from the bullshit.
The bottom line is (ignoring Moore's opinions and debatable facts) Bush has openly "changed his answers" gave misleading answers or given answers completely irrelevant from the question, and we can all smell what he's shoveling. Kerry is also a poor choice since most of the speeches I've seen him make he seems like the kind of politician who sits around saying everything he thinks you want to hear.
I myself am Canadian, and sadly enough our choices for this last election have left alot to be desired as well. the "Parties Quebecois" wants Quebec to seperate from Canada (where I live and am in the english minority), and wants Canada to give them all the money for it and flip the bill for the work involved, The liberal party has done nothing but lie, drive up prices, taxes and try to eliminate social benefits decreasing healthcare & pention plans and the conservative party wants God to start deciding our politics... If we were playing poker using our Politicians as cards, I'd suggest we;'d both fold and re-shuffle.
If you don't feel like paying Moore to see the movie, you can download it here. Don't worry, it seems Moore doesn't mind as long as you don't attempt to make a profit from it.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Oh ya. Communism roxxorz. I mean, you never can make more money, there is no point in being good at your job, theres no point in being a engineer instead of working at McD's, etc. etc. etc.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Communism looks great on paper. As does every "ism" and "arcy". None of them work very well. Because fallen men don't know how to execute their ideas of leadership correctly. Even if they do, some jackass(es) comes along and completely destroys the underpinnings that they used their blood to construct.
Sorry for the American history lesson. Had to get it out.
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Guardians of Scotland
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"Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"
I can solve all of the worlds problems:
DON'T BE A HATER! VOTE FOR NATORE!!!
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
It's interesting to see that in the goal of a free market in capatalist society is to have your product sell better then anyone elses and eventually corner a market. And when you do they cry monopoly and try to do what they can to legally stop you from achieving what the goal in the open market is.... It has a certain sense of irony. I'm no fan of monopolies, they cause increased prices, loss of jobs and are overall bad for the economy. But I've always seen the subject as just one of those things that makes you go "hmmm".
Fun fact: Gates donates more to charity anually then the entire US government. (which is well beyond the allowd max for use as a tax shelter so don't say thats why
)
Thats because Gates is the second richest man in the world with more than 60 billion. The Unites States Government is now 7 trillion down the drain or something.
Look at this link here.
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"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
true. he may have 60 bill, but looks like a good haircut costs 60 bill & 1..
PS: He's my illigitamate father. RETURN MY CALLS DADDY!!!!!!!!
"Bush has openly "changed his answers"
Such as?