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Renoaku
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First of all I would like to clear up a few things about World Of Warcraft.
#1 Basically every mmorpg has healing spells, spell casters, Melee users ect, Now from all the mmorpg's Ive played I would say Lineage 2, at that one temple that has all the pretty lights stole it from final fantasy game, and ect, because of the way the lights are, they are an exact match from the game, However they did not actually steal it, they took an idea, and remade it them selves, same goes for world of warcraft, they havent really stolen anything, because every mmorpg has the same model's on some things, and same graphics on some things, but its always a little different. For Instance, In World Of Warcraft, Lightning shoots from a shman lightning form like it doesnt strike from the sky, But on Final Fantasy XI, and a couple of other old mmorpg I played, The 4th Comming it does, Am I suppose to say they stole it, or did they just use an idea maybe, or a sugguestion?
#2 World Of Warcraft, is in my opinion the best mmorpg on the market, here is why Most mmorpg's that have updated their stuff every 6 months or 1 year like Lineage 2 always puts a nerf to make something better, to make one class a bit more powerfull than another, Also I lost a level 55 on lineage 2, because they nerfed my character a lot, and I could not play it no more, and then I had my account hacked, and lost a lot of my gear, it was someone, or a corrupt gm Server side using a porgram or something, and they took a packaged sell for free, without paying for the other stuff that was there, Although I did have packaged sell checked, maybe it was corruption in the game client, or lag between server, or something, but it was taken, all lost, I lost all my money, items, ect, although it doesnt seem like it was a glitch because it was a naked dwarf who took them, although in World Of Warcraft, their changes ive seen so far have not effected me at all in any of my classes, Although some people say mages are over powered, and warlocks are over powered, its still true, a person with skill can kill them, Ive killed mage as a paladin before having a level 50 sum pally vs 50 sum mage, and I won, not saying it was easy, but its possible. Also another thing people forget mage's are suppose to be the most powerfull instant damage spell caster in game, just as pallies are suppose to tank a lot of damage before dying, and priests are suppose to be healers.
#3 Increaseing Cap to level 70, Basically when you increase talents, skills, ect. you arent going to get them free, as a mage, as well as a warlock, and paladin, ive gotten all classses in the game to level 30, and my mage to level 65 almost level 70 in 24 hours play time on my mage alone, and thats not that long, considering I get more talents, and considering in lineage 2, and most korean, and japaneese based mmorpg's it takes a lot longer like weeks to grind, For those of you who want to complain about this, #1 Either Quit World OF Warcraft, Or #2 Just get to level 60 forget about level 70.
#4 The Only Thing I find hard about World Of Warcraft, is finding the best gear in the game at level 70, I hear its T6, at the moment, but not sure.
( OFF TOPIC)
#5 Ive Played the Following games, and I Quit Their Services For One Of The Following Reasons.
Bad Customer Service, Training Time Took Forever, and no Point to it, Nerfs/Cost Of items because of Ebayers, Game Play Sucked.
Final Fantasy XI, Is A great team game, but on my server, it takes way long to get a group, and you cant even really solo at all as some classes, unless you go beast master, But has a nice story line, and cut scenes.
Lineage 2, Was so damn great, I loved the graphics when I first started, & I still miss the music from Elf Village ):, however they ruined my level 55 sorcerer, and I had my gear stolen, GM didnt do anything, and I lost my character due to nerf, so I quit.
EVE Online, Great MMORPG for pvp, but the thing I dont like about it how much training time it takes to train a skill, ID rather kill npc bosses, and mobs, and fourm gangs to gain points to level things up the classic way than wait hours, days, months to train skills to level it up, I mean look at all that play time wasted, nothing to do but wait a lil over a year till ready for all out pvp like the top players, and no way to catch up to someone way higher than you in about 6 months like other mmorpg's.
T4C was a great grat game, I still miss it although 16 bit graphics or lower werent that great, But www.t4cbible.com is a great game, and the reason it got ruined is because this guy from a server called xavus started being a prick, not watching out for his customers, and it shut down, I lost my character on his server, and also because people all started paying to host the game with their own rules, and everything now theres no reason to play, because no one is ever on T4C anymore, because we got 8-10 servers competeing for each other players, members, they refuse to merge, and work together as 3, one for Role Play, Normal Game, and PVP, but they wont. By the way the story of the game is a great story too if you read it.
Planet Side, I loved this game at first, but guess what, they never update the game really, with any new veh's, new weapons, or anything, so after playing for 7 hours it gets old.
Neocron 2 Great game, but the boring part is this having to look for all these weapon parts, have your armor repaired, ect, and by the way, as a newb when you die with LE in your veh, still at Regants you gotta walk all the way back, it gets boring. O hey, if you can put up with this stuff, and like the PVP then this game is for you.
Guild Wars, Its an ok game, does get kinda boring, the only reason I play it is because its free.
9 Dragons, Itsa great game, but Donations to acclaim games sucks, heres why, a 4 month package only goes on one character, and to get it on 2nd you would have to use 4k points for each one, when a 4 month package should work on whole account for that time, and give potions and stuff tradeable between characters, but no they screwed it up, not to mention no one ever talks, and to shout it costs real life money, so thats why I stopped playing it.
RF online again another great game at first I thought, but after paying $70 rush delivery for the CD when it came out it was awsome, now everyone is level 70, no one crafts lower level items, All my characters are lower level, and I cant find any gear, or good weapons to buy them, because no one uses the auction house, its annoying as hell.
Note to all.
The Word fre mmorpg means its FREE, however theres always a hidden catch on most like item mail, so those who pay get way special advantages over you in pvp, and pve, thats why Id rather pay my $9 a month for World Of Warcraft, and get the same advantages everyone does, because IF I donated it would still cost more than paying $9 a month over all.
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Nicely said, WoW is definitely the best MMO on the market right now. People who hate it claim it is simplistic and takes features from other mmos. Of course it is that is why it appeals to millions of people, and it's obviously gonna take features from other MMOs, it is an mmo. That's like saying halo is a crappy fps, because it takes features from other first person shooters. I didn't quit WoW, because I hate it, I quit it because it became boring for me. Every game becomes boring over a long period of time. Regardless if that game is innovative, has several features, or is a social game. I wen't on a forum one time and a guy was bashing WoW and claimed that Guild Wars was better. 2 months latter he started bashing Guild Wars lol. MMOrpgs may last for a long time, but they will always get boring no matter what. Trust me Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, Gods and Heroes, Tabula Rasa, and several other MMOs that are bring new features to MMOs will not last forever. But that is the problem with all games, so don't say a game sucks, because you got bored of it. Only say a game sucks when the game truly is crap.
That was just what I thought was a needed addition to your post Renoaku.
You can't say that civilization don't advance, however, for in every war they kill you in a new way.
-Will Rogers
my quarrel with it, i suppose is that. i dunno, im a D&D fan, and i originaly started playing MMO's 7 years ago lol, because of the D&D feel. WoW doesnt bring that to me...the class' just dont give me the "feel". not to mention theres only a few buffs, i personally love EQ 2 because there are so many biffs, mid lv groups have like 10 buffs on each person, WoW has like..3..Stamina, Int...and the pally Aura's thats realy it. the shadow protect and spirit i suppose, but i think there should be more.
Also, i hate how, "every class can beat every other class depending on spec". i think thats B.S. there are some class' that just suck against others, but people * and blizzard has to make it so they can equal it out. shouldnt be that way. for example, Me being a mage, almosy 70% of the time depening on gear and venue, i could kill a warrior with ease, but no, they had to make it so warriors can "reflect" wtf. warriors never have reflect...however, warriors should be able to kill....a rogue 70% of the time, dude to more Hp and Higher AC. thats just how D&D goes...
there kinda molding all the class' so that everyclass can be good against somone reguardless of class, which i think is wrong
Before this thread gets infested with trolls and idiots who love to be negative which is alot on this website and say wow sucks without real meat in the plate to back it up ill say this. The way you put it is pretty good, and you backed it up with experience and intellect rather than just give an opinion. I agree that wow is the most succesful MMO in the market and the best for some people, well alot of people, lol. This is my opinion and what i like someone else doesnt so i would never convince someone who doesnt like wow to like it, however I think that because people hate this game they make up retarded reasons like "they stole the raiding system from EQ", if anything WoW improved raiding and did it better than EQ. If you dont know the meaning of "stole" by all means go to dictionary.com, EQ didnt copyright raiding and Mario didnt copyright adventure gaming, so are we to say that all adventure games are coppies of Mario? If you hate wow bring some meat to the table, and this goes to the people who have sigs like "wow is carebear" etc.
If you dont like a game DONT PLAY IT! It is pointless to come to the WoW forums and tell us that the game sucks because im playing it right now and having fun with it, do you think I am going to listen to someone who has nothing better to do or rather no MMO to play and comes and trolls the WoW forums? No. But it does suck that the people who complain about WoW's immature community are actually the people that I wouldnt want playing wow in the first place and thank god MMORPG is here to hold all the negative nancies who cant be happy, and want to make people as miserable as they are.
A man dies daily, only to be reborn in the morning, bigger, better and wiser.
-Playing AoC
-Playing WoW
-Retired- SWG
-Retired- EVE
-Retired- LotR
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I hate Wow. I hate it for the people that play and say every other mmo is just a cheap copy of WoW. I hate it for the community. I hate it for the graphics. I hate it for...Well i just hate it.
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I'm not a World of Warcraft hater by any means. In fact, I enjoyed World of Warcraft immensely for several months, and left the game with many new contacts on my Messenger. However, the few gripes I have with the game includes:
- Perpetual grinding
- PvP band-aids
- Immature community
And apparently the developers are content with that. It is, after all, a lot easier to come up with new high-end items than innovative elder games.
I like WoW. So do you know what I've been doing? I've been playing it. I haven't been wasting my time trying to convince others to like it as well, or bashing the games I don't like while telling people to stop bashing the games they don't like. I also understand that WoW has its faults, so I don't pretend people are wrong for pointing them out (Kharnath happens to be 100% correct, but it's not going to make me stop having fun with the game).
Thats why I quit EQ, I got tired of my Warrior being a WIMPior, about time we can kill Mages! I HATE games that can't balance PvP classes against each other. All these pansy Mages/Wizards etc whine like little babies when they can't one shot melee. Sorry, learn to play......death to EQ1 and its BS of making melee SUCK.
ya know...perhaps were all forgetting a very valid point....
World of Warcraft and or Blizzard. has alot, alot, ALOT of people to "please".
Some MMO's go, hey, this is our game, we are a hardcore grind game. end of story.
well, if u think about it. Blizzard trie's to give us different things to do, but cant make EVERYONE happy. but we all still play and ENJOY our time we play it. it sucks, but if they make it how us, bit more hardcore MMO'ers would have it. they would lose alot of people prolly. because, its just a casual MMO in the end. until you reach max lv.
and, im neutral in the love/hate WoW thing.
I agree with thaneb, area84,bonobotheory and krenalor.
Why even waste time trying to convince haters to like a game. WoW will continue to be a largely populated game for the next few years. If you like you like it, if you don't you don't. If you want to convince people to play it, convince the ones who haven't tried it yet.
I'm sure that pool is still large enough.
As for pvp in any game, I flat out think that a game is trash if the classes, lvl v.s. lvl or skill v.s. skill isn't balanced.
I understand that tanks usually do exactly that, but for mages to own them 100% of the time is dumb for me. Why even have warriors then? A warrior should be able to kill anything, just like a mage should be able to kill anything. One class shouldn't be more deadly to another....it should depend on what skills you brought to the table. No class should be uber strong over another.
I also think that there should be more melee classes in alot of the mmo's out there. Why?
Because the majority of the time the melee classes are outnumbered. Take WoW, it's like 5casters-1hunter-3melee, or 6ranged-3melee with druids being able to go melee, so 6-4. With the addition of the dead knight that makes it alil more even.
In guildwars it's like 7 to 3.
It can be argued that all the melee specializations are covered in those three classes, but I beg to differ. Just like you can think up different types of magic to be divided up amongst the casters, other specs could be created for new types of melee ones. You could even have fighters who don't require weps. My 2 cents.
Oh yeah, by the way...I like Guildwars too for it's pvp. You actually can see pretty easily what skills your up against. Meaning that just by clicking on your target you can see what he's casting. If you know the game then you can develop little counters to compete with anyone.
For instance....a mage/elementalist is casting a fire spell. You as a war can have a interupt in your skill bar to stop it from being cast (if you get to them in time that is). Disrupting slash or chop I think it's called, can't remember. Assassins have teleporting skills to reach targets faster for huge spikes or interupts.
This is to all the pro world of warcraft posts
Good for you, you like the game and that should be enough for you. In my eyes doing something like this just makes it look like you have someone you want to convert, and you have to explain it to yourself and others. Saying that the people who dont like WoW are wrong, is just as wrong as the people who say that those who love WoW are wrong.
Personally I couldnt stand the game, so I just quit the game and that was that. I didnt feel any need to bash other people who was still playing the game. Just like I didnt feel the need to bash those who didnt want to play the game at the time I was playing. And I didnt feel the need to defen why I dislike the game, I just do.
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QFT...... you beat me too it, but still I need to do this...... (taken from the 4th post in this thread)
If you dont like a game DONT PLAY IT! It is pointless to come to the WoW forums and tell us that the game sucks is good because im not playing it right now and having fun playing EVE with it, do you think I am going to listen to someone who has nothing better to do or rather no decent MMO to play and comes and trolls the WoW MMORPG.com forums? No. But it does suck that the people who complain about the WoW' bashing immature community are actually the people that should never be wouldnt want playing wow MMORPG's in the first place and thank God MMORPG.com is here to hold all the negative WOW playing nancies who cant be happy, and want to make people as miserable as they are.
There.... fixed.
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boring gear grind game.
searching for the next DAoC....
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You didnt fix it, you just gave us your opinion, but yeah to you it is fixed, I could pretty much edit all posts in this website to my likes and consider them fixed. But we know your point of view in the subject, thanks
A man dies daily, only to be reborn in the morning, bigger, better and wiser.
-Playing AoC
-Playing WoW
-Retired- SWG
-Retired- EVE
-Retired- LotR
Computer (- Phenom 9600 Black Edition @ 2.81 Ghz (Quad Core CPU)- Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5 - 4 Gigs of PC 8500 ram (1066)- EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS PCI Express 2.0 - WD 500GB 7500RPM - Zalman CPU cooler (air cooled)
- 24" Widescreen 1080P HD display).
I won't play a game that forces me to raid 20 hours a week on a schedule. That's just the simple bottom line of the matter.
While I agree that raiding in wow is appealing to alot of people, because of the rewards you can choose not to. I like leveling new toons, and even though I was a hardcore raider I dont do it anymore, because I consider it a waste of time. Doing an instance here and there, farming for some nicely crafted items pvping some here and there satisfies me, and I can play as much as I want to without feeling obligated to anything. Also factions give some good rewards but you do have to grind the faction, but at least you can do it at your own time, or not do it at all.
A man dies daily, only to be reborn in the morning, bigger, better and wiser.
-Playing AoC
-Playing WoW
-Retired- SWG
-Retired- EVE
-Retired- LotR
Computer (- Phenom 9600 Black Edition @ 2.81 Ghz (Quad Core CPU)- Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5 - 4 Gigs of PC 8500 ram (1066)- EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS PCI Express 2.0 - WD 500GB 7500RPM - Zalman CPU cooler (air cooled)
- 24" Widescreen 1080P HD display).
Ppl just flame WoW cuz they r jealous that they've been wasting days of time on a game that turned out not to be the best game ever
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MMos definitely have their problems. A game will never be perfect. There will always be at least one bug in the game or one feature that people crave not included. If you hate WoW then ok just find a game that you do like. If you like it keep playing it regardless of what people say. Games are meant to be fun, if a lot of people are playing a certain game, but you don't like it you don't have to play it. If only a few people like it and your one of them keep playing the game. The primary purpose of Video Games is for enjoyment, playing videogames is not a job, play whatever you love to play and that's that. Don't complain about crap games(except if it is awful and by awful I mean universally called ****), or brag about games being good.( an exception being Knights of the Old Republic, Half Life 2, etc..those games are sweet
). Only judge games by thoroughly explaining why the certain game is good/****. Don't say a game is crap and nothing else. Explain why , otherwise you'll annoy the hell out of a lot of people, including me(That's why I hope Trollers will finally get lives). I don't condemn trolling unless a forum is dead,
Note To All Trollers
Trollers I see no inactive forums on MMORPG.com except for those for small games so get the hell off this site, if your just here to troll/ annoy me.
Sorry for straying off the topic, just trying to create a shield-post against trollers. WoW is loved by over 8 million people, it dosen't mean you have to love it. If you hate it let the people who love it enjoy the game alright
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You can't say that civilization don't advance, however, for in every war they kill you in a new way.
-Will Rogers
It's a good game. I just got bored of the graphics and lack of character customization, etc. To many people looking exactly the same... yada yada.. As with a larger community. The immature crowd shines the more people you have. Well I dealt with 1 to many brats and didn't like that part to much.
I got tired of the same ol' raids and such as well. I've never played the expansion and the new expansion does have me interested a weee bit, but it's not enough of a selling point to bring me back. I've been playing CoV/CoH lately and can accomplish something in 30mins-1hr time easily (1/2-1 full level.. several story arcs.. or a ton of rounds of pvp.. or some cash.. or some enhancements.. or some recipes.. or some vanguard badges.. or a raid...) as you see the list is pretty long. After working 3rd shift. I'm pretty tired the rest of the day so I may play 30mins. I may play 2hrs.. but that flexibility is what I need. I couldn't find this in WoW. Especially with it taking 20mins just to enter pvp.. by time i'm inside.. run out the gates.. I have to log.
Anyway, it is undeniable the success of the game.
Another point is that while the game may have numbers that doesn't necessarly make it "The Best". Just "The Most".. the game lacks depth severely. It was created around simplisity and ease for all ages. So challenge is highly lacking. The community is so large it can't define it self. You have random immaturity around every corner. Then you have random extremists around every corner. It's just to much for its own good. There is such a thing as having TOO MANY people, which IMHO this stands true for WoW. I may have been better off playing on a less popular server though. The graphics are also years behind its time. I know the style is hand painted, but seriously. If I wanted to look at a painting. I'd look at a painting. I'd rather enjoy high quality graphics and working physics systems.
Conclusion: Good game.. just not the game for me. Best of luck to all of you who enjoy it and keep enjoying it. To each their own.
Dude, I agree that there may be alot of immature players playing wow but thats not all there is, why do people make retarded posts like these? I have toons in a coupple of different servers and while there ARE immature in all servers there is also Mature people who are parents and married people who are very mature and I have come to respect. It is no ones fault that you saw some kids and got scared and quit the game. Dont make any posts about wow being immature, if you cared enough to find a mature group of people you would've found them because its not jost 14 year olds playing the game. If anything because of WoWs large costumer number you can find all kinds of people there, and people that you share interests with. Because WoW is so large it can satisfy alot of people yest even you, you just gave up. Its just like real life, there are those u get along with, those you dislike, those you stay away from and those you hang out withj. Thats how wow an all MMORPGs are, you will never find a perfect community that you will like everyone, if you think that exists than you're living in a wonderland.
A man dies daily, only to be reborn in the morning, bigger, better and wiser.
-Playing AoC
-Playing WoW
-Retired- SWG
-Retired- EVE
-Retired- LotR
Computer (- Phenom 9600 Black Edition @ 2.81 Ghz (Quad Core CPU)- Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5 - 4 Gigs of PC 8500 ram (1066)- EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS PCI Express 2.0 - WD 500GB 7500RPM - Zalman CPU cooler (air cooled)
- 24" Widescreen 1080P HD display).
Aside from all the server sharding I think WOW showed everyone what a MMORPG is really supposed to be like. Yea there are some good mmorpgs out there but WOW just seams to be that medium between all of them that is just plain fun. I tried many mmorpgs and after all I found myself wanting a game that was not as oldworldish as EQ but not weird like AO or SWG. Something that can be easy and fun - relaxing and exciting - has looting and crafting - has a sleek feel to it and cool dungeons to raid. And I think WOW fits that bill well.
There are a few more things to be desired from a mmorpg that WOW doesn't have and mainly from what I have seen its player housing / player cities.
Most anti-WOW'ers main complaint is the community - so basicly someone made them mad and they take it out on the game. I admit the community is at times annoying but it's also really awesome sometimes mainly depends on what guild your in and who your friends are.
nicely said but everyone has to admit the quality of a game isnt a matter of fact its a matter of opinion
But anyway you said WoW hadnt stole anything because everyone has the same model. I dont agree. Ultima Online had a different mmorpg style then EQ1 when it came out. There was so many new things in EQ that were original and never used before. WoW hadnt bring a single new feature into the genre (if you find me some ill bow down before you). And that's the reason why we may say WoW lacks originality and all its features were copied from previous releases.
REALITY CHECK
You are right ofc, nobody is forced to play it. But forums are for discussing no? What would be the point of this forum if every topic was "WoW is the best game ever and everyone who doesnt think so is a retard n00b" and all the posts following would be "I agree! WoW is the best blabla fagwagon etc"?
I'm not saying ppl should jump in here and bash WoW every chance they get, but YOU have to realize that 'what makes the best game' is all a matter of opinion and preference. Lets say it again: opinion. There's alot of ppl who dont like WoW, and those ppl couldnt care less that WoW has 9mil subs.
But anyway you said WoW hadnt stole anything because everyone has the same model. I dont agree. Ultima Online had a different mmorpg style then EQ1 when it came out. There was so many new things in EQ that were original and never used before. WoW hadnt bring a single new feature into the genre (if you find me some ill bow down before you). And that's the reason why we may say WoW lacks originality and all its features were copied from previous releases.
EQ and OU copied diablo features, sure not a true MMO but if GW can be classed as MMO so can Diablo.People dont understand the Genre thing and why all MMO's SHARE ideas.. sad really.