This game isn't really geared toward the hardcore 24/7 mmo player. That is why you see so many bashing this game. They are the vocal majority but not the playing majority. If your a casual player that just likes to play along with the story and level up every now and then its great. Think of it more like a FF game as it is geared around the epic storyline and everything else is just character advancement.
Just like a FF game, if you sit down and 24/7 play it you are going to hit the end fast and be done with it. It has what just about every other MMORPG has - Solo/Group Quests, PvP (in the form of PvMP as not to deter the main PvE focus of the game), crafting, Kinships (guilds), Raids, etc... I think the fact that the main focus of the game isn't PvP or raiding is what pisses off the hardcore players.
uhhh - wth? dude FF and LOTRO in terms of how fast you lvl are NOTHING alike - you can't get to lvl 50 in a month
(Or less depending on how much one plays) in FF sorry LOL. By the way experience loss etc exists in that game.
"I think the fact that the main focus of the game isn't PvP or raiding is what pisses off the hardcore players."
I think first off if it wasn't so easy to reach the end cap I am sure that 'minority' would be much smaller then it currently is. Still ...the minority is not pissed off b/c this game is not focused solely on raiding or PVP lol - or atleast I hope thats not the reason these guys are mad. Anytime you can get to lvl 50 so quickly - you get bored rather quickly... once you reach the end there is only so many times you want to raid the same dragon or instance ...and don't say they should 're-roll' that inself I think is dumb - this isn't a freaking console game where there can be only so much you can do before you HAVE to start over. This is an MMO - why can't they just contiune on their first character!?
lol - I find it funny too that these fanboys jump all over people for 'lvling' too fast - like its wrong or something to want to play a game so much or get through things as quickly as possible. They pay to play the game - so they can do what ever the F*** they want. They also get to have a voice and say 'there is nothing to do at 50" - even if it is 'whining and bitching"
Turbine fooked it up when i heard you can only play as the good guys :S I wanted to play as the bad guys aswel and have massive scale PVP but instead you got some gay monster play. It's never a good idea to stay faithful 100% to the IP your taking it off.
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uhhh - wth? dude FF and LOTRO in terms of how fast you lvl are NOTHING alike - you can't get to lvl 50 in a month
(Or less depending on how much one plays) in FF sorry LOL. By the way experience loss etc exists in that game.
"I think the fact that the main focus of the game isn't PvP or raiding is what pisses off the hardcore players." I think first off if it wasn't so easy to reach the end cap I am sure that 'minority' would be much smaller then it currently is. Still ...the minority is not pissed off b/c this game is not focused solely on raiding or PVP lol - or atleast I hope thats not the reason these guys are mad. Anytime you can get to lvl 50 so quickly - you get bored rather quickly... once you reach the end there is only so many times you want to raid the same dragon or instance ...and don't say they should 're-roll' that inself I think is dumb - this isn't a freaking console game where there can be only so much you can do before you HAVE to start over. This is an MMO - why can't they just contiune on their first character!? lol - I find it funny too that these fanboys jump all over people for 'lvling' too fast - like its wrong or something to want to play a game so much or get through things as quickly as possible. They pay to play the game - so they can do what ever the F*** they want. They also get to have a voice and say 'there is nothing to do at 50" - even if it is 'whining and bitching"
Where did i ever make the comparison to leveling speed with FF? I said in terms of a storyline you follow. And in ANY FF game you can complete it within 50-70 hours of play. Now you can choose to do it all in one huge sitting or 2 or 3 or spread it out for game longevity.
The devs are putting new content in at a regular basis but they can't keep at the pace of a 24/7 player despite what you think. There is no programming robot putting new things in everyday for that 24/7 player. There will always be people that can play content faster then they can put out in ANY MMO GAME.
Now lets look at endgame content in NEARLY EVERY MMORPG -
Craft, PvP, Re-Roll, Raid, Help Others, Collect(housing,money,items)
Can you do the same things in this game? Sure can! Please tell me one that is different. I'd love to play that game.
Your misguided if you think I'm a fanboy by any means. I could care less about LOTR or Tolkien or any of that. But I am a realistic gamer that has a history of MMORPG's a mile long so I know what is out there and what to expect. This game is solid like any of the other ones out currently. But because of the content it has now in its infancy and the gameplay being PvE based it isn't geared towards hardcore players unless you are fine with normal MMORPG endgame content.
This game isn't really geared toward the hardcore 24/7 mmo player. That is why you see so many bashing this game. They are the vocal majority but not the playing majority. If your a casual player that just likes to play along with the story and level up every now and then its great. Think of it more like a FF game as it is geared around the epic storyline and everything else is just character advancement.
Just like a FF game, if you sit down and 24/7 play it you are going to hit the end fast and be done with it. It has what just about every other MMORPG has - Solo/Group Quests, PvP (in the form of PvMP as not to deter the main PvE focus of the game), crafting, Kinships (guilds), Raids, etc... I think the fact that the main focus of the game isn't PvP or raiding is what pisses off the hardcore players.
You know, I gotta be honest..I'm sick of this excuse. Maybe its because all MMOs released lately are the "me too" tried and true fomula so I'm sick to death of rails, and being lead by the hand.
Does every new game that comes out have to be the "you play too much" excuse?
I play 4 hours a day on average, and just made 50 and that is with no crafting. I did take a week off from my main while I was waiting on book 9's release. The leveling curve here is no faster or slower than EQII or WoW. Those2 games do have more endgame content now, but they did not at this time after their launch. I can think of 4 really good endgame dungeons atr this time and more are on the way tommorow and then some more in two months. Then you have the PvMP which can keep you occuopied if RvR style PvP is your thing, although the MP side of that is available from lvl 10, the hero side only opens up in the late 40's.
As far as vocal minority, if you want to find a good picture of player satisfaction, this is not the place to come. The official forums, the Vault, Warcry, etc are where the real players post. I figure there are only at most a dozen real posters here on a regular basis, and at least one of them is a paid shill for another company. I do get a kick when the trolls post in 'waves". Kind of obvious really.
LOTRO is rated high because some of the players think it is a fun game. Get in a good kinship, and it's even better. Now, mind you, I am a casual player, I play maybe 8-10 hrs. per week. Also, as a Tolkien fan, I may be a bit biased. But, the graphics are good, the lore is there, the classes are acceptable, and the quests are well done and fun. Plus, Turbine is really good with updates. They add content on a regular basis. I mean, for those who don't like it, that's cool, but as a casual MMOer, I think the game is a blast.
How can you as a Tolkien fan think this game is good? It has none of the complexity and depth that the books, and in some extent, the movies did. It is a dumbed down, linear WoW look-alike MMORPG.
The LOTR should at the very least focus on the battle of the ring with the elves, men, hobbits etc on one side and the orcs, pirates and the men of the south on the other and let the players pick which side they want to fight for. And the victories and defeats should be reflected world(server) wide. Right now the games pretty much plays as a single player game with the only thing being persistent being your character, can someone say Diablo?
The LOTR should at the very least focus on the battle of the ring with the elves, men, hobbits etc on one side and the orcs, pirates and the men of the south on the other and let the players pick which side they want to fight for. And the victories and defeats should be reflected world(server) wide.
You have not heard of PvMP? What you describe is almost exactly that, pirates and men of the south are not in yet. Think DAoC with hobbits and wargs.
The best solution for any MMO is to make 1 SERVER! Just 1 single server, BUT provide multiple instances of each zone(Guild Wars method for towns, except do it for the entire game). This allows people to get groups at all hours of the day regardless of where they live and what time it is.
May seam weird, but I miss Earth and Beyond.. now that was a good space game.. some liked it.. some didn't.. too many servers combined with EA stupidity was its downfall though. Sad ending. Never tried EVE and never will. To much bad publisity/drama spews from that game/company so i'll stay way.
Kril.... leave the stories you've heard behind and go give it a free trial. I just started playing a few months ago and like you, almost stayed away because of the bad publicity. The game is a ton of fun to play, there is only one "world" for all player to inhabit, and the bad publicity will likely never even concern you unless you troll the EVE forums.
I'm have a blast helping my 0.0 Corp build up our own system in space, and defend it from attackers....
As to LoTRO.... its a pretty nice game, not quite as good as fans like Jack makes it out to be...and certainly won't appeal to everyone. But for its target audiance, it can be a pretty fun time.
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The LOTR should at the very least focus on the battle of the ring with the elves, men, hobbits etc on one side and the orcs, pirates and the men of the south on the other and let the players pick which side they want to fight for. And the victories and defeats should be reflected world(server) wide.
You have not heard of PvMP? What you describe is almost exactly that, pirates and men of the south are not in yet. Think DAoC with hobbits and wargs.
I know of it and it is one zone and whatever happens there doesnt affect the server what so ever. It is basically one big arena zone. My point is that the LORD OF THE RING should focus on what the book focuses on. That is, the struggle for the ring and the fate of the people of middle earth. Either Sauron side wins and then the ring will become his and the world is engulfed in darkness or the elves/men win and the ring is kept out of Saurons reach. And that struggle should continue until one side "wins", that is Sauron gets the ring and enslaves all the races of men/elves etc or the ring is destroyed and Sauron with it.
That would then ofcourse require a server restart but they could design the game in such a way that even if Sauron gets the ring the battle can go on and the ring could be retrieved from him just as it was by Isildur and vice versa, the ring could never get destroyed because the Mountain of Doom would be next to impossible to get to. To design something like this would be hard but the books of LOTR are brilliant and a game based on it should be nothing less than brilliant. And it isnt, its a joke for WOW rejects and casual gamers who doesnt want challenge nor complexity.
But my point is that a game based on LOTR should focus on that struggle, not stupid, meaningless quests and a arena zone where you could duke it out for no real reason. This game may be considered a good MMORPG compared to other titles but as being based on the brilliant work of Tolkien, its a joke and an insult.
Eve- just gotta love those 20 jump trips, woot that is a blast all right. Nothing more fun than staring at the jump graphics for 20 minutes. Almost as much fun as getting podded after getting that new ship you been grinding 3 weeks for. heh heh
Sorry Eve was just not my cup of tea, betaed it till I could not stand it then did a free trial later. Others experiences may vary.
You know, I gotta be honest..I'm sick of this excuse. Maybe its because all MMOs released lately are the "me too" tried and true fomula so I'm sick to death of rails, and being lead by the hand.
Does every new game that comes out have to be the "you play too much" excuse?
Oh I totally agree. This game isn't next gen or really that innovative. Companies are going to do what works and what sells. Thats the fact of it and i don't really see that changing anytime soon. I expect AoC and Warhammer to be another cookie cutter mmorpg with a little twist on their gameplay.
But its a solid MMORPG with the LOTR skin on it.
You just have to accept the fact that it is primarily a PvE story based game and not a FFA PvP based game. But also that it was JUST released a few months ago (4) and isn't going to have nearly the same amount of content as 3+ year old games.
It does have killer gfx going for it if you can pump it up to high or better with post processing on. But also since it isn't a PvP based game there aren't going to be constant nerfs to the classes because of whiny forum players. They instead implement the PvMP system that is completely optional and avaliable to any character lvl 10 and up. Or you can spar if you really want to PvP someone else but the classes aren't balanced for it and aren't going to be.
Yes they are going to all have the "you play too much" excuse because you do indeed play too much for a fresh brand new game if you can cut through all the content in a month and then whine that they aren't keeping up with you. They have the same amount of time and development and designers as any game and for some weird reason you expect them at launch to have a game 10x more then they can put out. That will be achieved with the content updates over time... not when YOU want it because they cannot make it that fast.
The best solution for any MMO is to make 1 SERVER! Just 1 single server, BUT provide multiple instances of each zone(Guild Wars method for towns, except do it for the entire game). This allows people to get groups at all hours of the day regardless of where they live and what time it is.
May seam weird, but I miss Earth and Beyond.. now that was a good space game.. some liked it.. some didn't.. too many servers combined with EA stupidity was its downfall though. Sad ending. Never tried EVE and never will. To much bad publisity/drama spews from that game/company so i'll stay way.
Kril.... leave the stories you've heard behind and go give it a free trial. I just started playing a few months ago and like you, almost stayed away because of the bad publicity. The game is a ton of fun to play, there is only one "world" for all player to inhabit, and the bad publicity will likely never even concern you unless you troll the EVE forums.
I'm have a blast helping my 0.0 Corp build up our own system in space, and defend it from attackers....
As to LoTRO.... its a pretty nice game, not quite as good as fans like Jack makes it out to be...and certainly won't appeal to everyone. But for its target audiance, it can be a pretty fun time.
I would say stay away from Eve. It has huge potential and is a good game at its core but it has two major faults. One, and the most important, is that the death penalty is absolutely huge. When you have a skilled character and want to fly either a battleship or a T2 ship with lots of modules, one single death can literally cause you weeks of lost ISK (money) and rare modules and death in that game is very easy. One ambush by a couple of tacklers (ships that root you) and a couple of damage dealers and you're done for. Or even in group, one lag spike can spell your destruction.
The other thing is that the game is not very immersive for the single reason that you really arent a character but you ARE a ship and that takes away alot from the imersity as you cant ever walk around on a distant moon somewhere, or a habitated asteroid or a huge futuristic metropolis. And that makes the game very empty indeed.
That right there makes it, maybe not a bad MMORPG, but a bad bad LOTR based game. LOTR is not a skin, its a huge, complex and epic story and to reduce it to a casual MMORPG is just stupid and a waste of the potential.
Imagine if the LOTR movies were just some casual 1h and 30 min movie instead of the epic 7 hour series it was. That would be equally stupid and that is what this game really is. The equivalent of a 1h 30 min random fantasy flick with good special effects.
That right there makes it, maybe not a bad MMORPG, but a bad bad LOTR based game. LOTR is not a skin, its a huge, complex and epic story and to reduce it to a casual MMORPG is just stupid and a waste of the potential.
Imagine if the LOTR movies were just some casual 1h and 30 min movie instead of the epic 7 hour series it was. That would be equally stupid and that is what this game really is. The equivalent of a 1h 30 min random fantasy flick with good special effects.
I'm not a lore monkey so I couldn't tell you anything about its relation to any of that. But this game does indeed have a huge epic storyline to follow. They are books and labeled with chapters and right now they are about to release book 10. But also that this game has to follow the LOTR timeline and right now they are at the point where they hit rivendell and get the quest to destroy the ring. So all that uber epic battle stuff hasn't happened yet. But it will come.
I assume you want them to do like SWG and just say screw it and deviate from the actual story just to make YOU happy? Sorry they cant do that ....
LOTRO is a good solid MMO, but it does suffer from a lack of content. While they are adding content, it is still slower than the monthly updates Turbine promised. I think that LOTRO has huge potential, and that in a year from now it will be a much better game.
The game is stable and except for a few minor bugs, I think it had a great launch.
LOTRO does have an epic story arc, and it is very group oriented.
That right there makes it, maybe not a bad MMORPG, but a bad bad LOTR based game. LOTR is not a skin, its a huge, complex and epic story and to reduce it to a casual MMORPG is just stupid and a waste of the potential.
Imagine if the LOTR movies were just some casual 1h and 30 min movie instead of the epic 7 hour series it was. That would be equally stupid and that is what this game really is. The equivalent of a 1h 30 min random fantasy flick with good special effects.
I'm not a lore monkey so I couldn't tell you anything about its relation to any of that. But this game does indeed have a huge epic storyline to follow. They are books and labeled with chapters and right now they are about to release book 10. But also that this game has to follow the LOTR timeline and right now they are at the point where they hit rivendell and get the quest to destroy the ring. So all that uber epic battle stuff hasn't happened yet. But it will come.
I assume you want them to do like SWG and just say screw it and deviate from the actual story just to make YOU happy? Sorry they cant do that ....
I think you have missunderstood the concept of MMORPGs. The purpose of MMORPGS, or alteast it used to be, is to let you as a player live in a persistent world where your actions echoes world/server wide and is persistent.
What you are talking about is a single player game where it follows a strict storyline and you as a player is more a drone directed in the direction that the devs want you to follow. Just because the game is based on LOTR doesnt meant it has to follow the exact storyline that the books does. What is important is that it focuses on the lore and builds a world based on what happened in the bookst and the LOTR world was based on the conflict of the one ring.
So the trick here is to try to combine the LOTR world with the persistent world of a MMORGP where the player shoudnt have to follow some strict storyline to progress but is free to carve out his own part . That is quite a hard thing to do and unfourtanetely Turbine just skipped the MMORPG part and made a single player game disguised as a MMORPG wich follows the story of the books.
That right there makes it, maybe not a bad MMORPG, but a bad bad LOTR based game. LOTR is not a skin, its a huge, complex and epic story and to reduce it to a casual MMORPG is just stupid and a waste of the potential.
Imagine if the LOTR movies were just some casual 1h and 30 min movie instead of the epic 7 hour series it was. That would be equally stupid and that is what this game really is. The equivalent of a 1h 30 min random fantasy flick with good special effects.
I'm not a lore monkey so I couldn't tell you anything about its relation to any of that. But this game does indeed have a huge epic storyline to follow. They are books and labeled with chapters and right now they are about to release book 10. But also that this game has to follow the LOTR timeline and right now they are at the point where they hit rivendell and get the quest to destroy the ring. So all that uber epic battle stuff hasn't happened yet. But it will come.
I assume you want them to do like SWG and just say screw it and deviate from the actual story just to make YOU happy? Sorry they cant do that ....
I think you have missunderstood the concept of MMORPGs. The purpose of MMORPGS, or alteast it used to be, is to let you as a player live in a persistent world where your actions echoes world/server wide and is persistent.
What you are talking about is a single player game where it follows a strict storyline and you as a player is more a drone directed in the direction that the devs want you to follow. Just because the game is based on LOTR doesnt meant it has to follow the exact storyline that the books does. What is important is that it focuses on the lore and builds a world based on what happened in the bookst and the LOTR world was based on the conflict of the one ring.
So the trick here is to try to combine the LOTR world with the persistent world of a MMORGP where the player shoudnt have to follow some strict storyline to progress but is free to carve out his own part . That is quite a hard thing to do and unfourtanetely Turbine just skipped the MMORPG part and made a single player game disguised as a MMORPG wich follows the story of the books.
Erm Singel player game you say, im sorry but i have almost never seen a mmorpg were you have to group as much as in lotro, almost to much i say, so saying its a singel player game is kina bullshit, and the game defently does not follow a strict path. yes the main story line is strict but who gives? there are over thousand difrent other things that havent got anything to do whit it.
Playing:World of Warcraft. Played:Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies. Tried:Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
Erm Singel player game you say, im sorry but i have almost never seen a mmorpg were you have to group as much as in lotro, almost to much i say, so saying its a singel player game is kina bullshit, and the game defently does not follow a strict path. yes the main story line is strict but who gives? there are over thousand difrent other things that havent got anything to do whit it.
And does any of those things has any impact what so ever on the server and/or the plot? No, its all instanced crap that a thousands of players can do over and over again without affecting each other. Hence it is not persistent.
Maybe singleplayer wasnt the correct therm to use but my point is that nothing, except your character, is persistent and this game is not much more a MMORPG than the Diablo series was.
I know this is the same as in WoW and many other MMORPGs but that is not what the first ones were about. Those were about you as a player living in a world where you can have an impact on, to some extent. UO, Meridian, Asherons Call, Shadowbane were all like that but it didnt attract the majority of the gamers so they dumbed it down so any casual gamer can play it. And here we are with bland, boring MMORPGS with no real life to them and that is sad for something that started so promising. But hey, capitalism rules.
LOTRO is hands down the best mmorpg right now. i just cant wait to see what age of conan and warhammer has to offer... age of conan literally looks BEAUITIFUL speically with the blood makes me wanna orgasm finally an mmorpg that spills blood that is 3d
LOTRO is an abomination. Lord of the Rings, the start of all high fantasy, the second most read books behind the bible, voted books of the 20th century by Time magazine. This series should be approached with nothing less than awe, piety, and humility when making an MMO based on it. Turbine took the easy route and made something that looks shiny but fails on so many levels.
In this regard, I think even Tolkien would disapprove of LOTRO. See, he was a firm believer in quality over quantity. The Orcs were very much about mass production, while the Elves crafted the finest armor and weapons ever seen. You may be asking, what does LOTRO have to do with mass production? Well, it crafted a shallow product tacked with the Lord of the Rings sign and looked to make money, nothing more. They saw how successful WoW is, and did everything they could to cash in on that. Rather than innovate they decided to duplicate.
I agree with Yamato whole heartedly. Lord of the Rings should include the ability to play a full game as the followers of man/dwarf/elf, Sauron's minions, or Saraumon's forces. This would have made the game A LOT more fun. Throw in looting, a sandbox world where the bad are trying to return the ring to their master and the good are trying to destroy it. Not jeopordizing the Lore but only enriching it.
Well i dont give about lore or inpact in the world, i just want to play a nice game, i dont care if tolkein would like it or not it sertenly better then a lot of other lord of the rings crap games EA has givven us, now leave it be and just enjoy, if you dont like it, then leave to the ones who does.
Playing:World of Warcraft. Played:Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies. Tried:Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
I ahve read some of the posts so now I will respond.
Wow; failed to keep my interest for even a year. I did pvp was in a very good raiding guild ( you talk about boring doing the same instance over and over to get your drop. ) It just does not hold up. I have never thought of reinstalling this game. The thought of it now sends shivers of dread in my body. It is nice but it is not for me long term at all.
EQ- I tried but just never liked it
EQ2- I did like this game and if I had not had real things come up I am sure I might still be playing it. It is better than WOW in many ways. I did have some performance issues that I do not think I should have ever had with the comp I had at the time. ( dual core amd ( game did not like dual cores) I even thought of playing it when I decided on LOTRO. I just thought it was a bit more time sink than I wanted .
DAOC- This is a game that I played for 4 to 5 years. I did take breaks but the rvr always called me back. I do think it had a glory day that was Shrouded Isles but I did all the TOA grind also. Catacombs was a better expansion. I am happy to see it is still alive but all my friends are gone and so am I for good. It is a shame that in many ways Wow killed the better game.
UO- 4 years. I played in the pvp area on Great Lakes and the care bear one on Chessie. I had lots of fun on both servers. It was different than so many others I have played. I give DAOC the edge but it was close.
AC1 I think it was a good game but I was to wrapped up in UO. AC2 had no place to meet fellow players when I played.
I played others but never long enough to really say what I think of them. There were to many that were just to flawed at release. This brings us to LOTRO. I like the game. I doubt I will play it for 4 years but it is fun. I am hoping Turbine can do what Mythic did with DAOC. That is make a decent game but in a year or so modify it so it becomes good. There is only one game that interests me that is announced. That should be easy with what I said. I have high hopes for Warhammer. I am only worried that the dayys of me doing a huge time sink are done and that game may fit that model more than LOTRO. I do not feel compelled to devote huge hunks of my day to the game. I am still probably more than a casual gamer but closer to that than I have ever been. I do not plan on playing anything else before Warhammer and the only game I might consider is if SOE actually can fix Vangaurd to reach its potential before it dies a slow death.
I do see why it gets high marks and I would place it fourth in my all time list. DAOC,UO and EQ2 would rate ahead of it. The others I cannot see as any better and most sre worse in my opinion. That is why people pick LOTRO. I also noticed that in my opinion LOTRO has an older player base. I would not call myself older than dirt but to play all those games for all those years I am obviously not a teenager .
This game does NOT appeal to true hardcore MMO vets like myself. Its to much candyland EZ mode for my taste.
So how hight did you get in LOTRO? Level 10?
No this POWERGAMER made it to 13 in 6 hours. HAHA!
Powergaming means missing out on the whole reason you play an mmoRPG, to create a character in a vast, everchanging world. LOTRO does this very well, and has more RP then WoW, and could very well be on par with EQ2 since they started to WOWify it.I agree that the first months of EQ2 were great, now it's watered down to be mainstream once more.
Lotro is mainstream as well, but offers a lot to casual and RP players, and if powergamers and PvP freaks can't stand it, you should play another game and leave the LOTRO part of the MMORPG.com forums.
This game does NOT appeal to true hardcore MMO vets like myself. Its to much candyland EZ mode for my taste. To the OP. Turbine should have had book 9 and 10 in at launch. Even with 9 and 10, LOTRO still has much less content than what WoW, Vanguard, EQ, EQ2, DAOC, etc had when it first went live. If you people cant see this, then obviously you are NOT true hardcore MMO gamers. Most of you like the OP probably NEVER reached max level in any other MMO. If you did, then you wouldn't be here bragging about how great Turbine is for adding so much content on a regular basis. You'll be in the same crowd as the upset dissapointed true hardcore powergamers that sliced through this game like warm butter running through a hot knife. This game is only meant to make the casual put put candyland Nub gamer happy. Basically the nubs who couldn't cut it in real MMO's that takes hours and hours to achieve your goals. So please stop posting threads like these praising Turbine for adding content that should have been in game at launch!!!! It really shows just how noobish you ppl are.
Oh look! Oakthornn's here again to tell us all how hardcore he is! w00t!
How's that "100% Hardcore" sticker on the mirror treatin' ya Oaky? Keepin' that self-image high, I see.
I have a question for you... What's a big, tough, "True Hardcore", Powergamer guy like yourself doing spending so much time in the forums for a "nub" game like this... I mean, aren't you afraid you'll get some on you? What if it doesn't come out? You'll be tainted for life! All your uber Hardcore Friends will make fun of you for it! They might even... kick you out of their Hardcore Power Gamers Only Club!
What'll you do then?
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This game does NOT appeal to true hardcore MMO vets like myself. Its to much candyland EZ mode for my taste.
So how hight did you get in LOTRO? Level 10?
No this POWERGAMER made it to 13 in 6 hours. HAHA!
Powergaming means missing out on the whole reason you play an mmoRPG, to create a character in a vast, everchanging world. LOTRO does this very well, and has more RP then WoW, and could very well be on par with EQ2 since they started to WOWify it.I agree that the first months of EQ2 were great, now it's watered down to be mainstream once more.
Lotro is mainstream as well, but offers a lot to casual and RP players, and if powergamers and PvP freaks can't stand it, you should play another game and leave the LOTRO part of the MMORPG.com forums.
You're wasting your breath. Some of the people here just can't get it thorugh their head that while they don't like the game, others do, and that it's okay. The sun will still rise tomorrow and all will be well with the world.
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(Or less depending on how much one plays) in FF sorry LOL. By the way experience loss etc exists in that game.
"I think the fact that the main focus of the game isn't PvP or raiding is what pisses off the hardcore players."
I think first off if it wasn't so easy to reach the end cap I am sure that 'minority' would be much smaller then it currently is. Still ...the minority is not pissed off b/c this game is not focused solely on raiding or PVP lol - or atleast I hope thats not the reason these guys are mad. Anytime you can get to lvl 50 so quickly - you get bored rather quickly... once you reach the end there is only so many times you want to raid the same dragon or instance ...and don't say they should 're-roll' that inself I think is dumb - this isn't a freaking console game where there can be only so much you can do before you HAVE to start over. This is an MMO - why can't they just contiune on their first character!?
lol - I find it funny too that these fanboys jump all over people for 'lvling' too fast - like its wrong or something to want to play a game so much or get through things as quickly as possible. They pay to play the game - so they can do what ever the F*** they want. They also get to have a voice and say 'there is nothing to do at 50" - even if it is 'whining and bitching"
Turbine fooked it up when i heard you can only play as the good guys :S I wanted to play as the bad guys aswel and have massive scale PVP but instead you got some gay monster play. It's never a good idea to stay faithful 100% to the IP your taking it off.
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Where did i ever make the comparison to leveling speed with FF? I said in terms of a storyline you follow. And in ANY FF game you can complete it within 50-70 hours of play. Now you can choose to do it all in one huge sitting or 2 or 3 or spread it out for game longevity.
The devs are putting new content in at a regular basis but they can't keep at the pace of a 24/7 player despite what you think. There is no programming robot putting new things in everyday for that 24/7 player. There will always be people that can play content faster then they can put out in ANY MMO GAME.
Now lets look at endgame content in NEARLY EVERY MMORPG -
Craft, PvP, Re-Roll, Raid, Help Others, Collect(housing,money,items)
Can you do the same things in this game? Sure can! Please tell me one that is different. I'd love to play that game.
Your misguided if you think I'm a fanboy by any means. I could care less about LOTR or Tolkien or any of that. But I am a realistic gamer that has a history of MMORPG's a mile long so I know what is out there and what to expect. This game is solid like any of the other ones out currently. But because of the content it has now in its infancy and the gameplay being PvE based it isn't geared towards hardcore players unless you are fine with normal MMORPG endgame content.
Does every new game that comes out have to be the "you play too much" excuse?
I play 4 hours a day on average, and just made 50 and that is with no crafting. I did take a week off from my main while I was waiting on book 9's release. The leveling curve here is no faster or slower than EQII or WoW. Those2 games do have more endgame content now, but they did not at this time after their launch. I can think of 4 really good endgame dungeons atr this time and more are on the way tommorow and then some more in two months. Then you have the PvMP which can keep you occuopied if RvR style PvP is your thing, although the MP side of that is available from lvl 10, the hero side only opens up in the late 40's.
As far as vocal minority, if you want to find a good picture of player satisfaction, this is not the place to come. The official forums, the Vault, Warcry, etc are where the real players post. I figure there are only at most a dozen real posters here on a regular basis, and at least one of them is a paid shill for another company. I do get a kick when the trolls post in 'waves". Kind of obvious really.
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How can you as a Tolkien fan think this game is good? It has none of the complexity and depth that the books, and in some extent, the movies did. It is a dumbed down, linear WoW look-alike MMORPG.
The LOTR should at the very least focus on the battle of the ring with the elves, men, hobbits etc on one side and the orcs, pirates and the men of the south on the other and let the players pick which side they want to fight for. And the victories and defeats should be reflected world(server) wide. Right now the games pretty much plays as a single player game with the only thing being persistent being your character, can someone say Diablo?
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You have not heard of PvMP? What you describe is almost exactly that, pirates and men of the south are not in yet. Think DAoC with hobbits and wargs.
I miss DAoC
I'm have a blast helping my 0.0 Corp build up our own system in space, and defend it from attackers....
As to LoTRO.... its a pretty nice game, not quite as good as fans like Jack makes it out to be...and certainly won't appeal to everyone. But for its target audiance, it can be a pretty fun time.
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You have not heard of PvMP? What you describe is almost exactly that, pirates and men of the south are not in yet. Think DAoC with hobbits and wargs.
I know of it and it is one zone and whatever happens there doesnt affect the server what so ever. It is basically one big arena zone. My point is that the LORD OF THE RING should focus on what the book focuses on. That is, the struggle for the ring and the fate of the people of middle earth. Either Sauron side wins and then the ring will become his and the world is engulfed in darkness or the elves/men win and the ring is kept out of Saurons reach. And that struggle should continue until one side "wins", that is Sauron gets the ring and enslaves all the races of men/elves etc or the ring is destroyed and Sauron with it.That would then ofcourse require a server restart but they could design the game in such a way that even if Sauron gets the ring the battle can go on and the ring could be retrieved from him just as it was by Isildur and vice versa, the ring could never get destroyed because the Mountain of Doom would be next to impossible to get to. To design something like this would be hard but the books of LOTR are brilliant and a game based on it should be nothing less than brilliant. And it isnt, its a joke for WOW rejects and casual gamers who doesnt want challenge nor complexity.
But my point is that a game based on LOTR should focus on that struggle, not stupid, meaningless quests and a arena zone where you could duke it out for no real reason. This game may be considered a good MMORPG compared to other titles but as being based on the brilliant work of Tolkien, its a joke and an insult.
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Eve- just gotta love those 20 jump trips, woot that is a blast all right. Nothing more fun than staring at the jump graphics for 20 minutes. Almost as much fun as getting podded after getting that new ship you been grinding 3 weeks for. heh heh
Sorry Eve was just not my cup of tea, betaed it till I could not stand it then did a free trial later. Others experiences may vary.
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Oh I totally agree. This game isn't next gen or really that innovative. Companies are going to do what works and what sells. Thats the fact of it and i don't really see that changing anytime soon. I expect AoC and Warhammer to be another cookie cutter mmorpg with a little twist on their gameplay.
But its a solid MMORPG with the LOTR skin on it.
You just have to accept the fact that it is primarily a PvE story based game and not a FFA PvP based game. But also that it was JUST released a few months ago (4) and isn't going to have nearly the same amount of content as 3+ year old games.
It does have killer gfx going for it if you can pump it up to high or better with post processing on. But also since it isn't a PvP based game there aren't going to be constant nerfs to the classes because of whiny forum players. They instead implement the PvMP system that is completely optional and avaliable to any character lvl 10 and up. Or you can spar if you really want to PvP someone else but the classes aren't balanced for it and aren't going to be.
Yes they are going to all have the "you play too much" excuse because you do indeed play too much for a fresh brand new game if you can cut through all the content in a month and then whine that they aren't keeping up with you. They have the same amount of time and development and designers as any game and for some weird reason you expect them at launch to have a game 10x more then they can put out. That will be achieved with the content updates over time... not when YOU want it because they cannot make it that fast.
I'm have a blast helping my 0.0 Corp build up our own system in space, and defend it from attackers....
As to LoTRO.... its a pretty nice game, not quite as good as fans like Jack makes it out to be...and certainly won't appeal to everyone. But for its target audiance, it can be a pretty fun time.
I would say stay away from Eve. It has huge potential and is a good game at its core but it has two major faults. One, and the most important, is that the death penalty is absolutely huge. When you have a skilled character and want to fly either a battleship or a T2 ship with lots of modules, one single death can literally cause you weeks of lost ISK (money) and rare modules and death in that game is very easy. One ambush by a couple of tacklers (ships that root you) and a couple of damage dealers and you're done for. Or even in group, one lag spike can spell your destruction.The other thing is that the game is not very immersive for the single reason that you really arent a character but you ARE a ship and that takes away alot from the imersity as you cant ever walk around on a distant moon somewhere, or a habitated asteroid or a huge futuristic metropolis. And that makes the game very empty indeed.
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Imagine if the LOTR movies were just some casual 1h and 30 min movie instead of the epic 7 hour series it was. That would be equally stupid and that is what this game really is. The equivalent of a 1h 30 min random fantasy flick with good special effects.
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Imagine if the LOTR movies were just some casual 1h and 30 min movie instead of the epic 7 hour series it was. That would be equally stupid and that is what this game really is. The equivalent of a 1h 30 min random fantasy flick with good special effects.
I'm not a lore monkey so I couldn't tell you anything about its relation to any of that. But this game does indeed have a huge epic storyline to follow. They are books and labeled with chapters and right now they are about to release book 10. But also that this game has to follow the LOTR timeline and right now they are at the point where they hit rivendell and get the quest to destroy the ring. So all that uber epic battle stuff hasn't happened yet. But it will come.I assume you want them to do like SWG and just say screw it and deviate from the actual story just to make YOU happy? Sorry they cant do that ....
LOTRO is a good solid MMO, but it does suffer from a lack of content. While they are adding content, it is still slower than the monthly updates Turbine promised. I think that LOTRO has huge potential, and that in a year from now it will be a much better game.
The game is stable and except for a few minor bugs, I think it had a great launch.
LOTRO does have an epic story arc, and it is very group oriented.
Imagine if the LOTR movies were just some casual 1h and 30 min movie instead of the epic 7 hour series it was. That would be equally stupid and that is what this game really is. The equivalent of a 1h 30 min random fantasy flick with good special effects.
I'm not a lore monkey so I couldn't tell you anything about its relation to any of that. But this game does indeed have a huge epic storyline to follow. They are books and labeled with chapters and right now they are about to release book 10. But also that this game has to follow the LOTR timeline and right now they are at the point where they hit rivendell and get the quest to destroy the ring. So all that uber epic battle stuff hasn't happened yet. But it will come.I assume you want them to do like SWG and just say screw it and deviate from the actual story just to make YOU happy? Sorry they cant do that ....
I think you have missunderstood the concept of MMORPGs. The purpose of MMORPGS, or alteast it used to be, is to let you as a player live in a persistent world where your actions echoes world/server wide and is persistent.What you are talking about is a single player game where it follows a strict storyline and you as a player is more a drone directed in the direction that the devs want you to follow. Just because the game is based on LOTR doesnt meant it has to follow the exact storyline that the books does. What is important is that it focuses on the lore and builds a world based on what happened in the bookst and the LOTR world was based on the conflict of the one ring.
So the trick here is to try to combine the LOTR world with the persistent world of a MMORGP where the player shoudnt have to follow some strict storyline to progress but is free to carve out his own part . That is quite a hard thing to do and unfourtanetely Turbine just skipped the MMORPG part and made a single player game disguised as a MMORPG wich follows the story of the books.
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Imagine if the LOTR movies were just some casual 1h and 30 min movie instead of the epic 7 hour series it was. That would be equally stupid and that is what this game really is. The equivalent of a 1h 30 min random fantasy flick with good special effects.
I'm not a lore monkey so I couldn't tell you anything about its relation to any of that. But this game does indeed have a huge epic storyline to follow. They are books and labeled with chapters and right now they are about to release book 10. But also that this game has to follow the LOTR timeline and right now they are at the point where they hit rivendell and get the quest to destroy the ring. So all that uber epic battle stuff hasn't happened yet. But it will come.I assume you want them to do like SWG and just say screw it and deviate from the actual story just to make YOU happy? Sorry they cant do that ....
I think you have missunderstood the concept of MMORPGs. The purpose of MMORPGS, or alteast it used to be, is to let you as a player live in a persistent world where your actions echoes world/server wide and is persistent.What you are talking about is a single player game where it follows a strict storyline and you as a player is more a drone directed in the direction that the devs want you to follow. Just because the game is based on LOTR doesnt meant it has to follow the exact storyline that the books does. What is important is that it focuses on the lore and builds a world based on what happened in the bookst and the LOTR world was based on the conflict of the one ring.
So the trick here is to try to combine the LOTR world with the persistent world of a MMORGP where the player shoudnt have to follow some strict storyline to progress but is free to carve out his own part . That is quite a hard thing to do and unfourtanetely Turbine just skipped the MMORPG part and made a single player game disguised as a MMORPG wich follows the story of the books.
Erm Singel player game you say, im sorry but i have almost never seen a mmorpg were you have to group as much as in lotro, almost to much i say, so saying its a singel player game is kina bullshit, and the game defently does not follow a strict path. yes the main story line is strict but who gives? there are over thousand difrent other things that havent got anything to do whit it.
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Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
And does any of those things has any impact what so ever on the server and/or the plot? No, its all instanced crap that a thousands of players can do over and over again without affecting each other. Hence it is not persistent.
Maybe singleplayer wasnt the correct therm to use but my point is that nothing, except your character, is persistent and this game is not much more a MMORPG than the Diablo series was.
I know this is the same as in WoW and many other MMORPGs but that is not what the first ones were about. Those were about you as a player living in a world where you can have an impact on, to some extent. UO, Meridian, Asherons Call, Shadowbane were all like that but it didnt attract the majority of the gamers so they dumbed it down so any casual gamer can play it. And here we are with bland, boring MMORPGS with no real life to them and that is sad for something that started so promising. But hey, capitalism rules.
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LOTRO is hands down the best mmorpg right now. i just cant wait to see what age of conan and warhammer has to offer... age of conan literally looks BEAUITIFUL speically with the blood makes me wanna orgasm finally an mmorpg that spills blood that is 3d
LOTRO is an abomination. Lord of the Rings, the start of all high fantasy, the second most read books behind the bible, voted books of the 20th century by Time magazine. This series should be approached with nothing less than awe, piety, and humility when making an MMO based on it. Turbine took the easy route and made something that looks shiny but fails on so many levels.
In this regard, I think even Tolkien would disapprove of LOTRO. See, he was a firm believer in quality over quantity. The Orcs were very much about mass production, while the Elves crafted the finest armor and weapons ever seen. You may be asking, what does LOTRO have to do with mass production? Well, it crafted a shallow product tacked with the Lord of the Rings sign and looked to make money, nothing more. They saw how successful WoW is, and did everything they could to cash in on that. Rather than innovate they decided to duplicate.
I agree with Yamato whole heartedly. Lord of the Rings should include the ability to play a full game as the followers of man/dwarf/elf, Sauron's minions, or Saraumon's forces. This would have made the game A LOT more fun. Throw in looting, a sandbox world where the bad are trying to return the ring to their master and the good are trying to destroy it. Not jeopordizing the Lore but only enriching it.
Well i dont give about lore or inpact in the world, i just want to play a nice game, i dont care if tolkein would like it or not it sertenly better then a lot of other lord of the rings crap games EA has givven us, now leave it be and just enjoy, if you dont like it, then leave to the ones who does.
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Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
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Wow; failed to keep my interest for even a year. I did pvp was in a very good raiding guild ( you talk about boring doing the same instance over and over to get your drop. ) It just does not hold up. I have never thought of reinstalling this game. The thought of it now sends shivers of dread in my body. It is nice but it is not for me long term at all.
EQ- I tried but just never liked it
EQ2- I did like this game and if I had not had real things come up I am sure I might still be playing it. It is better than WOW in many ways. I did have some performance issues that I do not think I should have ever had with the comp I had at the time. ( dual core amd ( game did not like dual cores) I even thought of playing it when I decided on LOTRO. I just thought it was a bit more time sink than I wanted .
DAOC- This is a game that I played for 4 to 5 years. I did take breaks but the rvr always called me back. I do think it had a glory day that was Shrouded Isles but I did all the TOA grind also. Catacombs was a better expansion. I am happy to see it is still alive but all my friends are gone and so am I for good. It is a shame that in many ways Wow killed the better game.
UO- 4 years. I played in the pvp area on Great Lakes and the care bear one on Chessie. I had lots of fun on both servers. It was different than so many others I have played. I give DAOC the edge but it was close.
AC1 I think it was a good game but I was to wrapped up in UO. AC2 had no place to meet fellow players when I played.
I played others but never long enough to really say what I think of them. There were to many that were just to flawed at release. This brings us to LOTRO. I like the game. I doubt I will play it for 4 years but it is fun. I am hoping Turbine can do what Mythic did with DAOC. That is make a decent game but in a year or so modify it so it becomes good. There is only one game that interests me that is announced. That should be easy with what I said. I have high hopes for Warhammer. I am only worried that the dayys of me doing a huge time sink are done and that game may fit that model more than LOTRO. I do not feel compelled to devote huge hunks of my day to the game. I am still probably more than a casual gamer but closer to that than I have ever been. I do not plan on playing anything else before Warhammer and the only game I might consider is if SOE actually can fix Vangaurd to reach its potential before it dies a slow death.
I do see why it gets high marks and I would place it fourth in my all time list. DAOC,UO and EQ2 would rate ahead of it. The others I cannot see as any better and most sre worse in my opinion. That is why people pick LOTRO. I also noticed that in my opinion LOTRO has an older player base. I would not call myself older than dirt but to play all those games for all those years I am obviously not a teenager .
So how hight did you get in LOTRO? Level 10?
Powergaming means missing out on the whole reason you play an mmoRPG, to create a character in a vast, everchanging world. LOTRO does this very well, and has more RP then WoW, and could very well be on par with EQ2 since they started to WOWify it.I agree that the first months of EQ2 were great, now it's watered down to be mainstream once more.No this POWERGAMER made it to 13 in 6 hours. HAHA!
Lotro is mainstream as well, but offers a lot to casual and RP players, and if powergamers and PvP freaks can't stand it, you should play another game and leave the LOTRO part of the MMORPG.com forums.
Oh look! Oakthornn's here again to tell us all how hardcore he is! w00t!
How's that "100% Hardcore" sticker on the mirror treatin' ya Oaky? Keepin' that self-image high, I see.
I have a question for you... What's a big, tough, "True Hardcore", Powergamer guy like yourself doing spending so much time in the forums for a "nub" game like this... I mean, aren't you afraid you'll get some on you? What if it doesn't come out? You'll be tainted for life! All your uber Hardcore Friends will make fun of you for it! They might even... kick you out of their Hardcore Power Gamers Only Club!
What'll you do then?
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So how hight did you get in LOTRO? Level 10?
Powergaming means missing out on the whole reason you play an mmoRPG, to create a character in a vast, everchanging world. LOTRO does this very well, and has more RP then WoW, and could very well be on par with EQ2 since they started to WOWify it.I agree that the first months of EQ2 were great, now it's watered down to be mainstream once more.No this POWERGAMER made it to 13 in 6 hours. HAHA!
Lotro is mainstream as well, but offers a lot to casual and RP players, and if powergamers and PvP freaks can't stand it, you should play another game and leave the LOTRO part of the MMORPG.com forums.
You're wasting your breath. Some of the people here just can't get it thorugh their head that while they don't like the game, others do, and that it's okay. The sun will still rise tomorrow and all will be well with the world.
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