I'm not sure how far Vg will go,i'm hoping it does very well.
I played Wow,FF,EQ for 6 years,EQ2 for a while,CoH(which i still have a running account with,sometimes it's just fun to be a Hero!!),what all of these games took away with expansions etc,or just never had that VG has given back to my husband and i is a sense of accomplishment.Over the weekend(3 day weekend),we completed the Uni and the Shadowhound mount quests.We palyed a couple of nights for at least 16 hours straight,minimal lag,very few ctds,and on Monday morning at 6:30am,after the 2nd fight with the shadowhound dude and his pups,(we done it twice,once for me,once for him,both got the uni a s well),and you get your little spiked collar,do the turn in and summon your mount.....that's a sense of accomplishment.We duod these,a 34 DK and a 34 BM.
My point?
Everyone has opinions,mine is that i love the game,i felt this way about EQ as well before they came out with PoP, and instead of exploring all you had to do was click a little book=/.
I'm hearing folks say it's too hard,it's a grind,too bugged,too glitchy,too everything else.
It's getting fixed,slowly but them changes are a commin' and i've honestly seen nice improvements.
I hope they continue to improve and add,it's the most beauitiful game i've ever played.I think that if these guys keep up what they're doing now VG will be around for a long time to come.
And for the folks iffy about trying it,don;t listen to me or anyone else,try the free offer.form your own opinion.
You were not able to solo a Pally in the 20s in WoW? You must have hit a bad batch of mobs or something. The game is designed to solo throughout. WoW does not promote group interdependence until level cap. You probably were having "an off day". Dunno If you like EQII stick with it. Personally I don't, and for many reasons but they are my personal opinions.....I personally like Vanguard better but the performance bugs me (literally) and the total lack of other players is a killer. Either way, neither game IMHO is going to be worth my time for different reasons. EQII is about as fun and exciting as trushing your teeth and Vanguard has no real future....I will probably just keep at something I use to play like Lineage2 or WoW or something and BF2. I'm gonna dump this station pass, I've had it with SOE and their empty population games. AC was a great game in its prime. I don't think if you tried it now you would fully appresiate it. The pops are gone and other games have spoiled us with better features and UI's but back in the day.....the old days of Qual, portal storms and the Lugian Citadel..........sigh
I was not able to solo, with a Blood Elf Paladin, in WoW. You can blame me. Fine. If I were able to solo, I would have still quit because the community was that bad.
I am confused by your second paragraph.
I suppose I would not fully "appresiate" AC. I love EQ 2. I really do. It is the, as a total experience, the most well done MMORPG I have ever played since I started with UO and EQ 1. Many aspects of UO 1 I miss, but I still like EQ 2 the most in the traditional EQ 1 sense.
Easy man, I'm not "blaming" you for anything Dunno, maybe Pallies are different, I haven't played WoW in a very long time (2 years maybe?) You are not missing anything anyway...
No, you should definitely be blaming him. If you're not able to solo in WoW as any class, than you suck, period. No ifs ands or buts. It's the sad reality. Luckily he left so he doesn't have to deal with it.
On a side note, with server merges, I don't think it really has to hit 500k, but once the trial island is finished and playable, that should bring a few more people, I would think. I am looking forward to trying it out after reading up on the changes. I love seeing a shitty game being worked on to make it decent -- for some reason, I am drawn to Vanguard, whether I play it or not.
I'd have to say over 1 year, if it lasts that long. I hope it does this game has great potential, and its 10x better than WoW could ever be IMHO, its a great game, yes it is a niche game, it appeals to the old EQ players, and most people will play wow sadly because its extremely easy and a 2 year old could play, raid, and run a guild, only using his rightr hand
I'd have to say over 1 year, if it lasts that long. I hope it does this game has great potential, and its 10x better than WoW could ever be IMHO, its a great game, yes it is a niche game, it appeals to the old EQ players, and most people will play wow sadly because its extremely easy and a 2 year old could play, raid, and run a guild, only using his rightr hand
I'd have to say over 1 year, if it lasts that long. I hope it does this game has great potential, and its 10x better than WoW could ever be IMHO, its a great game, yes it is a niche game, it appeals to the old EQ players, and most people will play wow sadly because its extremely easy and a 2 year old could play, raid, and run a guild, only using his rightr hand
Oh, man. I don't even know where to begin.
lol.
Do you even play WoW Ris747? Believe it or not, WoW does require skill, especially PvP, raiding and instances in the BC expansion. Raiding, especially now that raiding groups have been made smaller, requires good teamwork or you're gonna die. Lots. People who just wonder in there and not listen to instructions (too many to count in that game frankly) will make a raid group fall to bits. Even in normal groups, you need to work together well or you're gonna fall apart quick. Also instances in the expansion are pretty hard, especially the bosses. The instances are shorter but gawd the bosses often make short work of you if you don't properly utilize teamwork and communication, and if you don't understand your class properly. If you don't understand your class properly it shows really easily. I don't play the game anymore but its wrong to say it requires no brain. I'm tired of people generalizing WoW like that.
I think vanguard is the broadest feature rich MMORPG to ever be released.
That said it was released a year too early and was so full of bugs it was hard to look past them to the "vision". The game was also substantially unfinished. Crafting, Diplomacy, Adventuring were all incomplete and are still incomplete to this day. I would say in my opinion the game is about 3-4 months from being in the state it should have been on release date.
Crafting is looking pretty good with a lot of variations that make it interesting and it still has the depth that was started in beta. They still need to add more quests and more depth to the big city crafting factions etc but the structure is in place and nothing got chopped that would prevent them from adding this depth over the coming months/years.
Diplomacy has undergone a lot of development and now with the upper tier rewards and quests going in is finally nearing a completed state. Diplomacy is really again like everything just approaching basic full function. There is still plenty more to add and there have been some fantastic plans discussed by the diplo team. Again the structure is intact.
Adventuring is finally getting wrapped up with the addition of raiding and more balancing. Balancing will never be done so really the main lacking thing was raiding. Now that this is going in it will be a matter of making the challenges and rewards balanced.
Graphically VG beats most other games and thats not just for how many pixels or color maps it's about the sheer variety of equipment the quality of the equipment and how good you look. One of the biggest disappointments with EQ2 was with the variety of equipment. For the first year every tank looked identical. All wearing dingy rusty looking brown plate armor. You only had to look at a character and could imediately tell the class and level by the equipment. Even today while they have added more options it still isn't near as diverse or pretty as VG. Oh yeah and flying is coming
So will VG hit 500k subs? I kinda doubt it. No game that has a bad launch ever really recovers. Many people played it and it stank. Many people probably couldn't even get it to run. Hence there are 100s other thousands of people out there saying Vanguard stinks to high heaven and that the company behind it ripped them off!! That is an impossibly hard negative market to overcome. Technically I don't think it is impossible for VG to be the best game available in 6 months but I think the stink on it will never go....
However, if they do a good job cleaning it up there will be people who love it and will stick with it and adding the trial area is probably the single best thing they could have done in conjunction with fixing the performance and stability to enable the sub count to grow.
I think they are probably between 25-50k now, but I think most of those people are pretty solid and I expect the server merge, raid content will both solidify and cause some growth. I don't think it is a stretch to believe that in Q1 of 2008 they won't be able to be at 100k or more.
That said 500k is a long way. They will have to do something remarkable to get people to come back and give it a look and overcome the negative stink. With other games like lotr, aoc, warhammer out today or coming soon they are going to have a very tough time breaking 100k. The only good news is these new games will likely be kinda rough when they are released where VG will have a solid year of improvement. This might give it the edge it needs to continue to grow.
Finally, I wouldn't discount SOE they have a lot of experience doing MMORPGs and they also have a large pool of talent. I think we are already reaping the benefit of that experience now.
So if I was betting I'd say VG will never see 500k. Will they see 100k? I'd say almost certainly. I even thing there is a chance they can get into the 250k range.
Unable to solo effectively in wow with a paladin? That's just pathetic. I've seen children hit the level cap solo. Paladins were designed specifically to be easy to play and very solo friendly. If you don't believe me, read some of the early dev logs.
As for vanguard... There is such a bad taste in my mouth from this game. I felt so cheated when I finally started playing this game and realized just how unpolished it was (i'm not referring to the horrible performance). Personally, I would love to see this game die a horrible death so other companies realize not to follow the same pattern.
Wanted to clarify,i was not and am not putting other games down,WoW,Eq,Guild Wars,CoH,etc,are fine games in their own right and will probably be around for a long time,they are just not for me.
As i said in my previous post i still have an account with CoH,great game.
Just wanted to fix it,got a mail from someone who thought i was,and i'm not honestly,i simply prefer VG and the mature content it offers,no offence meant,as i said,i've played most all the mmorpgs out there and Vanguard is what i'm enjoying.
I,and i think everyone else should enjoy what they pay for,and thats kinda what it's all about.
The last numbers I heard backed up by extensive population counts was about 20k. That was just prior to the merge so depending on if the pop has increased or decreased since then it could be as low as 15k and as high as 25 maybe 30.
Current active subs for the game on all servers was estimated at 32k give or take 5k.
I think the biggest server was Seradon with Xeth following with the PvP servers being the absolute smallest in population.
I personally don't think this game will ever hit 500k eventhough the graphics are good, this game is not beginner friendly as WOW was and not really easy to get into. Most people know when they cannot or will not be able to get into a game within the first 10 levels (some people push a extra 10 out) and it seems a majority have spoken on "Vanguard".
My guesstimate will be this game within a year will be dumbed down to the point that it won't be worth playing for those actually looking for a hard, grind to 6am 14% game. They should just rename the game EQ3 and be done with it, in my opinion.
My guesstimate will be this game within a year will be dumbed down to the point that it won't be worth playing for those actually looking for a hard, grind to 6am 14% game. They should just rename the game EQ3 and be done with it, in my opinion.
Nah it would take resources that SOE isnt going to provide to get to that stage. It's most likely to stay as it is for the forseeable future and then they may put some more effort into it when the EQ and EQ2 numbers start to noticeably slip.
Considering they just laid off 18 more people when they moved to San diego I would say things are not really looking up.
Yes I still play the game everyday because, like most, there just isn't anything out there that peaks our interest until AOC comes out. The entire guild is going to move there along with three others that we know of. I play the game for PVP and as many allready know it is completely out of balance. The latest patch did help out quite a few things but also in SOE fassion it also broke alot of things as well.
For example the ping after the patch goes to 3-10k if you have more than 18 around you. We raid every night with at least 24 on so it's a problem.
Still crash to desktop but not like before. Now it's once every hour or two and not every 15 minutes. Once again we go out in numbers of 18+ every night for 3 or 4 hours so that maybe had something to do with it.
Every lvl 50 toon can now get a heal over time cleric spell from Kahl.
Shamans can still get all three pets
Druids can still log out and back in to get thier points back. (they are suposed to take 15 minutes) they can also call their pets when ever they want.
Bear Shaman is still way out of spec. Takes 3-5 to take one down depending on who plays it.
Clerics are still hell to kill (takes 3-5 to kill on and if they took preservation as their affinity, They also get a 1 minute root
Bards were fixed so they can't kill you while your invul after you've been killed and they can no longer kill you while they are invis. But their song still hits at full damage even though it was supposed to be fixed. All they have to do is play the song Before they click on somebody and it'll hit just like before. Also now they can do range dmg like a ranger lol
Chromo and Vg buddy still work in game to allow people to cheat.
You can still hit people with full pve damage is you area a mob first.
..... I won't bother to go on but you get the point. This game will die off fast once other games come out.
If you dont' play on a pvp server then there is some cool stuff in game. We just discovered the biggest lvl 50+ dungeon in game and the largest dragon I've seen in a game besides L2
But honestly, who cares? I played VG for 11 months and don't think I ever met a person who cared if it was a HUGE success or not. I think most VG players just want the damn thing fixed so they can play it.
Whether they get 1k million subs or 20k subs makes no difference to me as long as they keep the game running. I am a game player and will make nothing out of VG getting more subs. It seems more people care about non gameplay issues on this site than actual gameplay. I can see why people argue over it though as they may think they score some kind of victory by saying there are more/less subs, But honestly what difference wil it make to the likes of me?
It does make a difference for games like vanguard though. Without a solid user base SOE will not make much revenue off the game and in turn not develop much additional content for the game.
Expansions are the lifeblood of any games life span. Vanguard still has a long way to go developmentwise before it is even in the ballpark of getting into expansion territory.
This thread was more of a poke at the game, but it is a realistic concern.
I see what you mean there but the figure mentioned is really over the top. The game doesnt need 100k subs to make a good profit and be supported. But yes i see that it needs enough to keep soe funding it and improving it. But 500k would make it a succesful game where no one would argue. All i am saying is that is that as long as it stays up and running at has steady content added i am happy
Actually in all honesty I never meant this thread to be a poke at the game, I was honestly interested in ascertaining potential playerbase before I made any sort of commitments to it. Call me crazy, I just want a decent, established playerbase above a lot of other things. Unfortunately, it looks like the majority was actually correct in this poll.
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I'm not sure how far Vg will go,i'm hoping it does very well.
I played Wow,FF,EQ for 6 years,EQ2 for a while,CoH(which i still have a running account with,sometimes it's just fun to be a Hero!!),what all of these games took away with expansions etc,or just never had that VG has given back to my husband and i is a sense of accomplishment.Over the weekend(3 day weekend),we completed the Uni and the Shadowhound mount quests.We palyed a couple of nights for at least 16 hours straight,minimal lag,very few ctds,and on Monday morning at 6:30am,after the 2nd fight with the shadowhound dude and his pups,(we done it twice,once for me,once for him,both got the uni a s well),and you get your little spiked collar,do the turn in and summon your mount.....that's a sense of accomplishment.We duod these,a 34 DK and a 34 BM.
My point?
Everyone has opinions,mine is that i love the game,i felt this way about EQ as well before they came out with PoP, and instead of exploring all you had to do was click a little book=/.
I'm hearing folks say it's too hard,it's a grind,too bugged,too glitchy,too everything else.
It's getting fixed,slowly but them changes are a commin' and i've honestly seen nice improvements.
I hope they continue to improve and add,it's the most beauitiful game i've ever played.I think that if these guys keep up what they're doing now VG will be around for a long time to come.
And for the folks iffy about trying it,don;t listen to me or anyone else,try the free offer.form your own opinion.
I seriously hope it does well. This game has so much potential...They should add a referral system like WoW's or LOTRO's.
I was not able to solo, with a Blood Elf Paladin, in WoW. You can blame me. Fine. If I were able to solo, I would have still quit because the community was that bad.
I am confused by your second paragraph.
I suppose I would not fully "appresiate" AC. I love EQ 2. I really do. It is the, as a total experience, the most well done MMORPG I have ever played since I started with UO and EQ 1. Many aspects of UO 1 I miss, but I still like EQ 2 the most in the traditional EQ 1 sense.
Easy man, I'm not "blaming" you for anythingNo, you should definitely be blaming him. If you're not able to solo in WoW as any class, than you suck, period. No ifs ands or buts. It's the sad reality. Luckily he left so he doesn't have to deal with it.
On a side note, with server merges, I don't think it really has to hit 500k, but once the trial island is finished and playable, that should bring a few more people, I would think. I am looking forward to trying it out after reading up on the changes. I love seeing a shitty game being worked on to make it decent -- for some reason, I am drawn to Vanguard, whether I play it or not.
I'd have to say over 1 year, if it lasts that long. I hope it does this game has great potential, and its 10x better than WoW could ever be IMHO, its a great game, yes it is a niche game, it appeals to the old EQ players, and most people will play wow sadly because its extremely easy and a 2 year old could play, raid, and run a guild, only using his rightr hand
Oh, man. I don't even know where to begin.
Oh, man. I don't even know where to begin.
lol.
Do you even play WoW Ris747? Believe it or not, WoW does require skill, especially PvP, raiding and instances in the BC expansion. Raiding, especially now that raiding groups have been made smaller, requires good teamwork or you're gonna die. Lots. People who just wonder in there and not listen to instructions (too many to count in that game frankly) will make a raid group fall to bits. Even in normal groups, you need to work together well or you're gonna fall apart quick. Also instances in the expansion are pretty hard, especially the bosses. The instances are shorter but gawd the bosses often make short work of you if you don't properly utilize teamwork and communication, and if you don't understand your class properly. If you don't understand your class properly it shows really easily. I don't play the game anymore but its wrong to say it requires no brain. I'm tired of people generalizing WoW like that.
I think vanguard is the broadest feature rich MMORPG to ever be released.
That said it was released a year too early and was so full of bugs it was hard to look past them to the "vision". The game was also substantially unfinished. Crafting, Diplomacy, Adventuring were all incomplete and are still incomplete to this day. I would say in my opinion the game is about 3-4 months from being in the state it should have been on release date.
Crafting is looking pretty good with a lot of variations that make it interesting and it still has the depth that was started in beta. They still need to add more quests and more depth to the big city crafting factions etc but the structure is in place and nothing got chopped that would prevent them from adding this depth over the coming months/years.
Diplomacy has undergone a lot of development and now with the upper tier rewards and quests going in is finally nearing a completed state. Diplomacy is really again like everything just approaching basic full function. There is still plenty more to add and there have been some fantastic plans discussed by the diplo team. Again the structure is intact.
Adventuring is finally getting wrapped up with the addition of raiding and more balancing. Balancing will never be done so really the main lacking thing was raiding. Now that this is going in it will be a matter of making the challenges and rewards balanced.
Graphically VG beats most other games and thats not just for how many pixels or color maps it's about the sheer variety of equipment the quality of the equipment and how good you look. One of the biggest disappointments with EQ2 was with the variety of equipment. For the first year every tank looked identical. All wearing dingy rusty looking brown plate armor. You only had to look at a character and could imediately tell the class and level by the equipment. Even today while they have added more options it still isn't near as diverse or pretty as VG. Oh yeah and flying is coming
So will VG hit 500k subs? I kinda doubt it. No game that has a bad launch ever really recovers. Many people played it and it stank. Many people probably couldn't even get it to run. Hence there are 100s other thousands of people out there saying Vanguard stinks to high heaven and that the company behind it ripped them off!! That is an impossibly hard negative market to overcome. Technically I don't think it is impossible for VG to be the best game available in 6 months but I think the stink on it will never go....
However, if they do a good job cleaning it up there will be people who love it and will stick with it and adding the trial area is probably the single best thing they could have done in conjunction with fixing the performance and stability to enable the sub count to grow.
I think they are probably between 25-50k now, but I think most of those people are pretty solid and I expect the server merge, raid content will both solidify and cause some growth. I don't think it is a stretch to believe that in Q1 of 2008 they won't be able to be at 100k or more.
That said 500k is a long way. They will have to do something remarkable to get people to come back and give it a look and overcome the negative stink. With other games like lotr, aoc, warhammer out today or coming soon they are going to have a very tough time breaking 100k. The only good news is these new games will likely be kinda rough when they are released where VG will have a solid year of improvement. This might give it the edge it needs to continue to grow.
Finally, I wouldn't discount SOE they have a lot of experience doing MMORPGs and they also have a large pool of talent. I think we are already reaping the benefit of that experience now.
So if I was betting I'd say VG will never see 500k. Will they see 100k? I'd say almost certainly. I even thing there is a chance they can get into the 250k range.
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Unable to solo effectively in wow with a paladin? That's just pathetic. I've seen children hit the level cap solo. Paladins were designed specifically to be easy to play and very solo friendly. If you don't believe me, read some of the early dev logs.
As for vanguard... There is such a bad taste in my mouth from this game. I felt so cheated when I finally started playing this game and realized just how unpolished it was (i'm not referring to the horrible performance). Personally, I would love to see this game die a horrible death so other companies realize not to follow the same pattern.
Wanted to clarify,i was not and am not putting other games down,WoW,Eq,Guild Wars,CoH,etc,are fine games in their own right and will probably be around for a long time,they are just not for me.
As i said in my previous post i still have an account with CoH,great game.
Just wanted to fix it,got a mail from someone who thought i was,and i'm not honestly,i simply prefer VG and the mature content it offers,no offence meant,as i said,i've played most all the mmorpgs out there and Vanguard is what i'm enjoying.
I,and i think everyone else should enjoy what they pay for,and thats kinda what it's all about.
It's interesting to revisit this poll from FEB. Anyone know what the current sub numbers are (approx.)?
Bringing back a classic thread...
My guess on subs = 5000.
I was going to guess 50k, but I've been away from this game for so long and it would be a completely random guess.
The last numbers I heard backed up by extensive population counts was about 20k. That was just prior to the merge so depending on if the pop has increased or decreased since then it could be as low as 15k and as high as 25 maybe 30.
Current active subs for the game on all servers was estimated at 32k give or take 5k.
I think the biggest server was Seradon with Xeth following with the PvP servers being the absolute smallest in population.
I personally don't think this game will ever hit 500k eventhough the graphics are good, this game is not beginner friendly as WOW was and not really easy to get into. Most people know when they cannot or will not be able to get into a game within the first 10 levels (some people push a extra 10 out) and it seems a majority have spoken on "Vanguard".
My guesstimate will be this game within a year will be dumbed down to the point that it won't be worth playing for those actually looking for a hard, grind to 6am 14% game. They should just rename the game EQ3 and be done with it, in my opinion.
Nah it would take resources that SOE isnt going to provide to get to that stage. It's most likely to stay as it is for the forseeable future and then they may put some more effort into it when the EQ and EQ2 numbers start to noticeably slip.
Considering they just laid off 18 more people when they moved to San diego I would say things are not really looking up.
Yes I still play the game everyday because, like most, there just isn't anything out there that peaks our interest until AOC comes out. The entire guild is going to move there along with three others that we know of. I play the game for PVP and as many allready know it is completely out of balance. The latest patch did help out quite a few things but also in SOE fassion it also broke alot of things as well.
For example the ping after the patch goes to 3-10k if you have more than 18 around you. We raid every night with at least 24 on so it's a problem.
Still crash to desktop but not like before. Now it's once every hour or two and not every 15 minutes. Once again we go out in numbers of 18+ every night for 3 or 4 hours so that maybe had something to do with it.
Every lvl 50 toon can now get a heal over time cleric spell from Kahl.
Shamans can still get all three pets
Druids can still log out and back in to get thier points back. (they are suposed to take 15 minutes) they can also call their pets when ever they want.
Bear Shaman is still way out of spec. Takes 3-5 to take one down depending on who plays it.
Clerics are still hell to kill (takes 3-5 to kill on and if they took preservation as their affinity, They also get a 1 minute root
Bards were fixed so they can't kill you while your invul after you've been killed and they can no longer kill you while they are invis. But their song still hits at full damage even though it was supposed to be fixed. All they have to do is play the song Before they click on somebody and it'll hit just like before. Also now they can do range dmg like a ranger lol
Chromo and Vg buddy still work in game to allow people to cheat.
You can still hit people with full pve damage is you area a mob first.
..... I won't bother to go on but you get the point. This game will die off fast once other games come out.
If you dont' play on a pvp server then there is some cool stuff in game. We just discovered the biggest lvl 50+ dungeon in game and the largest dragon I've seen in a game besides L2
go here to take a look..
http://ebonlore.org/main/index.php
BTW you'll need 30+ to do this dungeon. Mobs hit tanks for 13k but they do absorb some of that.
Never.
But honestly, who cares? I played VG for 11 months and don't think I ever met a person who cared if it was a HUGE success or not. I think most VG players just want the damn thing fixed so they can play it.
I think that is mostly right. And finished.
Fixed & Finished.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I think that is mostly right. And finished.
Fixed & Finished.
which means?
Likely never. The game is a mess on so many different levels. For what was promised to be the next Everquest, the game is not even a WoW.
I think that is mostly right. And finished.
Fixed & Finished.
which means?
Which means:
-when you chunk in the middle of 4-5 dot quest area you should not CTD
-while questing with your friends you should not have to wait 40% of your online time for group members including yourself to come back from CTD
-when you ride a horse down a mountain slope you should not fall through the world
-you should not be losing your torch /names setting when you chunk
-you SHOULD be able to take the collagen implants out of your Kurasha's ass
-you should be getting 70+ FPS with a dual-core in game that uses NO ANTIALIASING whatsoever
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
Whether they get 1k million subs or 20k subs makes no difference to me as long as they keep the game running. I am a game player and will make nothing out of VG getting more subs. It seems more people care about non gameplay issues on this site than actual gameplay. I can see why people argue over it though as they may think they score some kind of victory by saying there are more/less subs, But honestly what difference wil it make to the likes of me?
It does make a difference for games like vanguard though. Without a solid user base SOE will not make much revenue off the game and in turn not develop much additional content for the game.
Expansions are the lifeblood of any games life span. Vanguard still has a long way to go developmentwise before it is even in the ballpark of getting into expansion territory.
This thread was more of a poke at the game, but it is a realistic concern.
I see what you mean there but the figure mentioned is really over the top. The game doesnt need 100k subs to make a good profit and be supported. But yes i see that it needs enough to keep soe funding it and improving it. But 500k would make it a succesful game where no one would argue. All i am saying is that is that as long as it stays up and running at has steady content added i am happy
Actually in all honesty I never meant this thread to be a poke at the game, I was honestly interested in ascertaining potential playerbase before I made any sort of commitments to it. Call me crazy, I just want a decent, established playerbase above a lot of other things. Unfortunately, it looks like the majority was actually correct in this poll.