The Siege PVP has nothing to do with WAR. Blizzard already had Siege weapons planned well before WAR was even announced. It was listed under the "on the horizon" section. WAR will have no effect on WoW. Its just another MMO thats simply there, just like Lotro.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.
Yeah no kiddin. WAR will steal subs from WoW like it's their job! Not to mention eventually cause WoW to invest more time and money into new, competitive features which will ultimately take away from the orginal WoW form that many people love. Sorry that's just how it goes in the MMO world. History will repeat its self I'm sure.
If you guys bothered to even read what this thread was about you'd have read its not about how WAR would effect subscription numbers, its about how Blizzard will react to a WAR. Let the hate go, its just a game.
The Siege PVP has nothing to do with WAR. Blizzard already had Siege weapons planned well before WAR was even announced. It was listed under the "on the horizon" section. WAR will have no effect on WoW. Its just another MMO thats simply there, just like Lotro.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.
Yeah no kiddin. WAR will steal subs from WoW like it's their job! Not to mention eventually cause WoW to invest more time and money into new, competitive features which will ultimately take away from the orginal WoW form that many people love. Sorry that's just how it goes in the MMO world. History will repeat its self I'm sure.
If you guys bothered to even read what this thread was about you'd have read its not about how WAR would effect subscription numbers, its about how Blizzard will react to a WAR. Let the hate go, its just a game.
That's pretty funny stuff... here now I quote the original post:
"So how do you think the launch of WAR will affect WoW? Do you think we'll see a large migration of subscribers? Are you going to play WAR?"
So here we see the original poster specifically asking us about subscriber migration and yet you are telling us it never mentioned "effect on subscription numbers" and then chastise us for not reading the original post. I think you might want to try following your own advice in the future. I don't hate either game myself. I was just commenting in response to the original poster asking people what they thought.
The Siege PVP has nothing to do with WAR. Blizzard already had Siege weapons planned well before WAR was even announced. It was listed under the "on the horizon" section. WAR will have no effect on WoW. Its just another MMO thats simply there, just like Lotro.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.
You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
The Siege PVP has nothing to do with WAR. Blizzard already had Siege weapons planned well before WAR was even announced. It was listed under the "on the horizon" section. WAR will have no effect on WoW. Its just another MMO thats simply there, just like Lotro.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.
You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
Your assumptions are based from the previous MMOs track records. A new player can either make or break. Any MMO that will be released for that matter might have something in the market. So yes we'll see when WAR is released.
Well ok i can't help but comment that kiddies have more patience than grown ups. So those currently playing WoW may take some time to get sick and tired of the game.
The Siege PVP has nothing to do with WAR. Blizzard already had Siege weapons planned well before WAR was even announced. It was listed under the "on the horizon" section. WAR will have no effect on WoW. Its just another MMO thats simply there, just like Lotro.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.
You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
Your assumptions are based from the previous MMOs track records. A new player can either make or break. Any MMO that will be released for that matter might have something in the market. So yes we'll see when WAR is released.
Well ok i can't help but comment that kiddies have more patience than grown ups. So those currently playing WoW may take some time to get sick and tired of the game.
Ofcourse I base it on previous MMO track records, because those are a (most of the time) a lot more reliable than fanboyism.
There is nothing that even slightly hints that WAR will have anything on WoW. If Lotro can't do it, an IP that is much more popular than Warhammer, then I see no reason why WAR should. Its not like the Warhammer games have such an amazing trackrecord of units sold or quality.
It's going to put a dent(big or small) in WoW and give it some competition, but not kill it. It might be noticable, it might not, but something's going to happen to WoW.
People said the same about LOTRO, but despite the initial sales, WoW still outsells it in the US and Europe, and then they announced an extra million subscribers - hardly a dent. If Lord of The Rings can't do it, WAR will need to be something really special to put a 'dent' into WoW.
It'd be great for everyone if WAR did deliver, Blizzard need some serious competition which simply does not exist right now. If they can make a better game than WoW, then for sure I'll be playing. I just don't see it happening. You "WAR will hurt WoW" guys are just caught up in hype. I'm just going to wait and see, because every MMO released since WoW have been saying the same things, and where are they now? More importantly where is WoW, after countless prophecies of doom it's still getting bigger every day.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Personally, I don't want it to be a WoW killer. I don't want all the idiots from WoW to migrate to this game. IF the game is good, I can see most of the PvP population moving to WAR. This wouldn't kill WoW, but hurt it enough for Blizzard to work on more, and better PvP content.
Personally, I don't want it to be a WoW killer. I don't want all the idiots from WoW to migrate to this game. IF the game is good, I can see most of the PvP population moving to WAR. This wouldn't kill WoW, but hurt it enough for Blizzard to work on more, and better PvP content.
no offence dude, but i have yet to see anyone not act like an idiot in a game, the one's who think they aren't act even worse then the one's that do it alot..and its not even kids like everyone complains it is.
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Newsflash!:
Nobody's saying WAR's going to be revolutionary. Just fun. It doesn't need to be revolutionary to be fun.
Personally, I don't want it to be a WoW killer. I don't want all the idiots from WoW to migrate to this game. IF the game is good, I can see most of the PvP population moving to WAR. This wouldn't kill WoW, but hurt it enough for Blizzard to work on more, and better PvP content.
no offence dude, but i have yet to see anyone not act like an idiot in a game, the one's who think they aren't act even worse then the one's that do it alot..and its not even kids like everyone complains it is.
Sorry, but idiots were a lot more apparent in WoW. I don't think I'm one of those guys, are you implying that I acted like an idiot? Also, I never said anything about kids... Tell me which other MMO started something as stupid, and annoying, as the Chuck Norris and Rick Rolled jokes? What about all the L2Ps everybody tosses around? The forums are full of disrespect and insults, so is the game. Just read general chat... there was always someone talking shit (L2P! No stfu nub! Omg! Die in a fire! LULZ. LAWL!). FFXI was the other MMO I really played... and I don't recall as many assholes in the game.
Personally, I don't want it to be a WoW killer. I don't want all the idiots from WoW to migrate to this game. IF the game is good, I can see most of the PvP population moving to WAR. This wouldn't kill WoW, but hurt it enough for Blizzard to work on more, and better PvP content.
no offense dude, but i have yet to see anyone not act like an idiot in a game, the one's who think they aren't act even worse then the one's that do it alot..and its not even kids like everyone complains it is.
Sorry, but idiots were a lot more apparent in WoW. I don't think I'm one of those guys, are you implying that I acted like an idiot? Also, I never said anything about kids... Tell me which other MMO started something as stupid, and annoying, as the Chuck Norris and Rick Rolled jokes? What about all the L2Ps everybody tosses around? The forums are full of disrespect and insults, so is the game. Just read general chat... there was always someone talking shit (L2P! No stfu nub! Omg! Die in a fire! LULZ. LAWL!). FFXI was the other MMO I really played... and I don't recall as many assholes in the game.
yes more people means your gonna notice more idiots, and i didn't call you one, but can you say you never have acted like one?, i'm sure i have here and there...i brought up the kids thing because people immediately wanna scream about kiddies, when its mostly adults i have seen acting up. as for chuck norris and rickroll those were started on other sites and brought to wow.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
The Siege PVP has nothing to do with WAR. Blizzard already had Siege weapons planned well before WAR was even announced. It was listed under the "on the horizon" section. WAR will have no effect on WoW. Its just another MMO thats simply there, just like Lotro.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.
You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
Your assumptions are based from the previous MMOs track records. A new player can either make or break. Any MMO that will be released for that matter might have something in the market. So yes we'll see when WAR is released.
Well ok i can't help but comment that kiddies have more patience than grown ups. So those currently playing WoW may take some time to get sick and tired of the game.
Ofcourse I base it on previous MMO track records, because those are a (most of the time) a lot more reliable than fanboyism.
There is nothing that even slightly hints that WAR will have anything on WoW. If Lotro can't do it, an IP that is much more popular than Warhammer, then I see no reason why WAR should. Its not like the Warhammer games have such an amazing trackrecord of units sold or quality.
The warhammer games have been around for 30+ years, and a decent amount of Warcraft artistic style was taken by blizzare from the warhammer games.
Games workshop is one of the 2 or 3 most respected companies in the gaming world.''
that seems like an amazing track record to me ^^
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considering the podcasts out that are there for war atm i think about either 1/4 or even 1/2 of wow pop are gonna try war at the least
i am the podcasts have got me right fired up looking forward to the game itself and if it is even 1/2 as good as the community hype atm it should be a fresh new addiction to add to my mmorpg list
The Siege PVP has nothing to do with WAR. Blizzard already had Siege weapons planned well before WAR was even announced. It was listed under the "on the horizon" section. WAR will have no effect on WoW. Its just another MMO thats simply there, just like Lotro.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.
You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
Your assumptions are based from the previous MMOs track records. A new player can either make or break. Any MMO that will be released for that matter might have something in the market. So yes we'll see when WAR is released.
Well ok i can't help but comment that kiddies have more patience than grown ups. So those currently playing WoW may take some time to get sick and tired of the game.
Ofcourse I base it on previous MMO track records, because those are a (most of the time) a lot more reliable than fanboyism.
There is nothing that even slightly hints that WAR will have anything on WoW. If Lotro can't do it, an IP that is much more popular than Warhammer, then I see no reason why WAR should. Its not like the Warhammer games have such an amazing trackrecord of units sold or quality.
The warhammer games have been around for 30+ years, and a decent amount of Warcraft artistic style was taken by blizzare from the warhammer games.
Games workshop is one of the 2 or 3 most respected companies in the gaming world.''
that seems like an amazing track record to me ^^
Just because Warhammer has been around for a long time does not mean that the game will be a competitor. There have been previous Warhammer video/computer games, and none of them had amazing sales nor did they had extremely high review scores.
Lotro has been around much longer than Warhammer,and its much more popular, but Blizzard announced their subscribtion base went up by 500k players despite Lotro's release. Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars is also an incredbly popular franchise, but its subscribtion base never even reached 500k subscribers. A famous IP certainly helps, but its still no receipe for victory.
Of course WAR will change WoW. The siege weapons and hero class has been "on the horizon" since I started playing in feb 05. They even said they weren't going to have hero classes anymore. The siege weapons and the reamergence of hero classes (I believe) is Blizzard rolling out the big things people have been asking about for years. There's no doubt in my mind they are going to put more features in this xpac than probably any other one. TBC was a good polished xpac with some cool things but why didn't they bring out hero classes then? why not siege weapons?
I don't necessarily think WAR or AoC will kill WoW but they both have a potential too, and moreso than any MMO thats come out while WoW has been out. People that claimed Vangaurd, LoTR, or GuildWars would kill WoW were off their rocker. WAR and AoC...I think its possible. I hope there's some good competition out their, it only makes things better for us consumers.
WAR and AoC are PvP oriented games and they are serious about it where as WoW is PvE with a lame PvP.In terms of replayability WAR will crush WoW because there's not a single class which has the same skills.Where as if I take a mage from Horde it has the same skills as Mage from Alliance.
Will WAR kill WoW..no and I don`t want it to kill WoW simply because of the bad WoW community by this I don't imply the whole community.
The way I see things is that Blizzard is aiming at the Asian market with endless grinding and constant leveling with each new Expansion.
The PvP community will be divided between WAR and AoC which will leave WoW with his PvE player base but how many will be able to evenn have a peek to those high level instances such as Naxx.
WoW reached 9 millions subs but Guild wars has 4 millions who would have thought that Guild Wars will do fine and they have one of the best instanced PvP on the market.
2008 will be a turning point in gaming because 3 companies (EA Mythic/Funcom/ArenaNet)which have visions will release their MMOs and they are not promising a WoW clone like (LOTRO for example) So I guess greedy money minded Vivendi better start shitting in his pants because his player base will decrease whether they like it or not.
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Will WAR affect WoW? yes it will. WAR and AoC are PvP oriented games and they are serious about it where as WoW is PvE with a lame PvP.In terms of replayability WAR will crush WoW because there's not a single class which has the same skills.Where as if I take a mage from Horde it has the same skills as Mage from Alliance. Will WAR kill WoW..no and I don`t want it to kill WoW simply because of the bad WoW community by this I don't imply the whole community. The way I see things is that Blizzard is aiming at the Asian market with endless grinding and constant leveling with each new Expansion. The PvP community will be divided between WAR and AoC which will leave WoW with his PvE player base but how many will be able to evenn have a peek to those high level instances such as Naxx. WoW reached 9 millions subs but Guild wars has 4 millions who would have thought that Guild Wars will do fine and they have one of the best instanced PvP on the market. 2008 will be a turning point in gaming because 3 companies (EA Mythic/Funcom/ArenaNet)which have visions will release their MMOs and they are not promising a WoW clone like (LOTRO for example) So I guess greedy money minded Vivendi better start shitting in his pants because his player base will decrease whether they like it or not.
Facts of life: The exact same claims you have made now have been made of Dark Age of Camelot and Everquest. tons of people yelling how everyone would leave for Dark age of Camelot and blablabla, just like you're doing now. what actually happened is that Everquest continued to grow despite DAOC.
oh, and if you think that there won't be any grinding in WAR or AoC, you're in for a shock.
Give me one reason, just one, why pvp players would actually leave WoW for WAR. Everquest subscribers didn't leave for DAOC, why would they for WAR?
Also, WoW has reached 9 million active subscribers, Guild Wars has only sold 4 million units. thats a huge difference.
DaoC was not a turning point. Anarchy Online was not a turning point, and neither was Guild Wars.
I haven't said that these game will kill WoW because the only thing that can kill WoW is WoW itself.When I say 2008 will be a turning point I mean that Blizzard will lose subs whether they like it or not because people will have a choice among three games.I was in an active guild with 170 souls after 3 years only 20 is still playing and I`m sure there are many more like us around the world.
Most War fans playing WoW will leave the game...why should they play a rip off of WAR which has nothing new after 3 years when they can have WAR with it's humour and lingo
Comparing World of Warcraft to Everquest is like comparing a cat to a dog.The time,the customer base and technology was different...grinding in Everquest was meaningful where as grinding in WoW is meaningless because in the next expansion all your work will be wiped off.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Give me one reason, just one, why pvp players would actually leave WoW for WAR. Everquest subscribers didn't leave for DAOC, why would they for WAR?
Wait, what? If they're into PvP, why would they stay with a PvE game when there's a perfectly good (don't know that yet, but whatever) PvP game to play? Unless they're happy with WoW's PvP system (in which case, they're probably not "real" PvPers) and still enjoy raiding, I don't see any reason for them to stay with WoW.
And why didn't EQ subscribers leave for DAoC? Wait......they did! Not all of them, obviously, but there was probably more than a few.
Will WAR affect WoW? yes it will. WAR and AoC are PvP oriented games and they are serious about it where as WoW is PvE with a lame PvP.In terms of replayability WAR will crush WoW because there's not a single class which has the same skills.Where as if I take a mage from Horde it has the same skills as Mage from Alliance. Will WAR kill WoW..no and I don`t want it to kill WoW simply because of the bad WoW community by this I don't imply the whole community. The way I see things is that Blizzard is aiming at the Asian market with endless grinding and constant leveling with each new Expansion. The PvP community will be divided between WAR and AoC which will leave WoW with his PvE player base but how many will be able to evenn have a peek to those high level instances such as Naxx. WoW reached 9 millions subs but Guild wars has 4 millions who would have thought that Guild Wars will do fine and they have one of the best instanced PvP on the market. 2008 will be a turning point in gaming because 3 companies (EA Mythic/Funcom/ArenaNet)which have visions will release their MMOs and they are not promising a WoW clone like (LOTRO for example) So I guess greedy money minded Vivendi better start shitting in his pants because his player base will decrease whether they like it or not.
Guild Wars sold 4 Million BOXES. There's a big difference between games sold and active subscribers. Everyone that buys GWs is a subscriber even if they only played for 5 minutes. If Blizzard counted every box sold as a subscriber...
lets not go there;)
WAR will obviously influence WOW, just like Mythic has been HEAVILY influenced by WOW. Looking at the videos, UI and stryle of play is clear enough proof.
I like the idea of competition which will improve wow because I am a fan of the game and if it had more pvp I would play it more religiously.
To be honest however I don't see war taking more then a couple thousand subscribers, as in 20-40,000 tops because that's ruffly the percentage of people who play wow now that could actually run the game on there computers. Remember most people who play wow are playing on labtops that they got for college or on old systems that they have back home, and considering that 90 percent of people who play wow are under 40 but older than 17 it seems to me that most simply won't even be able to play it. Now this doesn't mean they won't buy it, I remember I bought games before i knew about computer hardware that didn't work, but it means that it will probably piss them off if they have to run it in sub standard settings. Why play a game on a rig that is optimized for osmething more powerful when you can play a game optimized for your own rig. It just looks better. And yes the graphics in WAR are better objectively but how they will look with all the settings down is anyways guess. VG looked great with settings all maxed out but when you put it on default or medium the game looks worse than wow in my opinion and I believe that other people feel this way too.
I don't mean to be a graphics stickler but when the graphics look bad, as in designed badly not high res in this case, I just can't play because I feel that there's another game out there that isn't necessarily prettier but more ergonomic to my eyes. I guess I just have ocd when i see a random artifact or something on the screen in an offbeat res that's supposed to be part of the avatar screen or something. Know what i mean?
Wow, who would have thought there'd be so many replies! Anyway, ive been reading through and besides all the bitching i think i gathered some main points. Correct me if i'm wrong but i this is what i got...
WoW will see a migration of PvP players to WAR because everyone knows world PvP in WoW is next to dead despite their efforts. Admittedly Hellfire Peninsula seems to see a lot of action.
I think it's less likely we'll see PvE players move, who would? some people have clocked up over 100 days play time, made friends in their guild and worked hard to get where they are. As a PvE game WoW is good, grind is unavoidable in every MMO.
To be honest, now that I've thought about it i dont think blizzard have too much to worry about. They have millions of players hooked on a game with 'good' lore, myself included as i was an addict since WC2. They can also 'promise' to bring out new content to keep players ticking over and paying their money, even if it doesnt quite meet expectations it would still take more than that to see lots of players leaving.
I still hope WAR does really well and i think i will be playing it. I just think in order for it to succeed well it needs to come out polished and with some sort of free trial(?), anything and everything to get (WoW) players trying it. Oddly one of the big things for me is that i want a game that feels 'dirtier' or 'raw' with blood and guts and cutting limbs off in combat stuff - that just isn't WoW, with it's paper cut out cannons and buildings.
Anyway, not sure how much longer this thread can last, so i'd just like to say i liked the comment about WoW designers catering for the asians by implementing more 'grind', as if that's what they look for in a game... or something
Wow, who would have thought there'd be so many replies! Anyway, ive been reading through and besides all the bitching i think i gathered some main points. Correct me if i'm wrong but i this is what i got... WoW will see a migration of PvP players to WAR because everyone knows world PvP in WoW is next to dead despite their efforts. Admittedly Hellfire Peninsula seems to see a lot of action. I think it's less likely we'll see PvE players move, who would? some people have clocked up over 100 days play time, made friends in their guild and worked hard to get where they are. As a PvE game WoW is good, grind is unavoidable in every MMO.
To be honest, now that I've thought about it i dont think blizzard have too much to worry about. They have millions of players hooked on a game with 'good' lore, myself included as i was an addict since WC2. They can also 'promise' to bring out new content to keep players ticking over and paying their money, even if it doesnt quite meet expectations it would still take more than that to see lots of players leaving. I still hope WAR does really well and i think i will be playing it. I just think in order for it to succeed well it needs to come out polished and with some sort of free trial(?), anything and everything to get (WoW) players trying it. Oddly one of the big things for me is that i want a game that feels 'dirtier' or 'raw' with blood and guts and cutting limbs off in combat stuff - that just isn't WoW, with it's paper cut out cannons and buildings.
Anyway, not sure how much longer this thread can last, so i'd just like to say i liked the comment about WoW designers catering for the asians by implementing more 'grind', as if that's what they look for in a game... or something
Yeah that asian thing is pretty racist considering that race has nothing to do with your prefrences, as if liking playing games with a grind is genetic.
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Yeah no kiddin. WAR will steal subs from WoW like it's their job! Not to mention eventually cause WoW to invest more time and money into new, competitive features which will ultimately take away from the orginal WoW form that many people love. Sorry that's just how it goes in the MMO world. History will repeat its self I'm sure.
If you guys bothered to even read what this thread was about you'd have read its not about how WAR would effect subscription numbers, its about how Blizzard will react to a WAR. Let the hate go, its just a game.
Yeah no kiddin. WAR will steal subs from WoW like it's their job! Not to mention eventually cause WoW to invest more time and money into new, competitive features which will ultimately take away from the orginal WoW form that many people love. Sorry that's just how it goes in the MMO world. History will repeat its self I'm sure.
If you guys bothered to even read what this thread was about you'd have read its not about how WAR would effect subscription numbers, its about how Blizzard will react to a WAR. Let the hate go, its just a game.
That's pretty funny stuff... here now I quote the original post:
"So how do you think the launch of WAR will affect WoW? Do you think we'll see a large migration of subscribers? Are you going to play WAR?"
So here we see the original poster specifically asking us about subscriber migration and yet you are telling us it never mentioned "effect on subscription numbers" and then chastise us for not reading the original post. I think you might want to try following your own advice in the future. I don't hate either game myself. I was just commenting in response to the original poster asking people what they thought.
He who hesitates is lost.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
WAR will have no effect on WoW?! Now this is funny.You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
Your assumptions are based from the previous MMOs track records. A new player can either make or break. Any MMO that will be released for that matter might have something in the market. So yes we'll see when WAR is released.
Well ok i can't help but comment that kiddies have more patience than grown ups. So those currently playing WoW may take some time to get sick and tired of the game.
You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
Your assumptions are based from the previous MMOs track records. A new player can either make or break. Any MMO that will be released for that matter might have something in the market. So yes we'll see when WAR is released.
Well ok i can't help but comment that kiddies have more patience than grown ups. So those currently playing WoW may take some time to get sick and tired of the game.
Ofcourse I base it on previous MMO track records, because those are a (most of the time) a lot more reliable than fanboyism.There is nothing that even slightly hints that WAR will have anything on WoW. If Lotro can't do it, an IP that is much more popular than Warhammer, then I see no reason why WAR should. Its not like the Warhammer games have such an amazing trackrecord of units sold or quality.
It's going to put a dent(big or small) in WoW and give it some competition, but not kill it. It might be noticable, it might not, but something's going to happen to WoW.
People said the same about LOTRO, but despite the initial sales, WoW still outsells it in the US and Europe, and then they announced an extra million subscribers - hardly a dent. If Lord of The Rings can't do it, WAR will need to be something really special to put a 'dent' into WoW.
It'd be great for everyone if WAR did deliver, Blizzard need some serious competition which simply does not exist right now. If they can make a better game than WoW, then for sure I'll be playing. I just don't see it happening. You "WAR will hurt WoW" guys are just caught up in hype. I'm just going to wait and see, because every MMO released since WoW have been saying the same things, and where are they now? More importantly where is WoW, after countless prophecies of doom it's still getting bigger every day.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Personally, I don't want it to be a WoW killer. I don't want all the idiots from WoW to migrate to this game. IF the game is good, I can see most of the PvP population moving to WAR. This wouldn't kill WoW, but hurt it enough for Blizzard to work on more, and better PvP content.
no offence dude, but i have yet to see anyone not act like an idiot in a game, the one's who think they aren't act even worse then the one's that do it alot..and its not even kids like everyone complains it is.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Nobody's saying WAR's going to be revolutionary. Just fun. It doesn't need to be revolutionary to be fun.
no offence dude, but i have yet to see anyone not act like an idiot in a game, the one's who think they aren't act even worse then the one's that do it alot..and its not even kids like everyone complains it is.
Sorry, but idiots were a lot more apparent in WoW. I don't think I'm one of those guys, are you implying that I acted like an idiot? Also, I never said anything about kids... Tell me which other MMO started something as stupid, and annoying, as the Chuck Norris and Rick Rolled jokes? What about all the L2Ps everybody tosses around? The forums are full of disrespect and insults, so is the game. Just read general chat... there was always someone talking shit (L2P! No stfu nub! Omg! Die in a fire! LULZ. LAWL!). FFXI was the other MMO I really played... and I don't recall as many assholes in the game.
no offense dude, but i have yet to see anyone not act like an idiot in a game, the one's who think they aren't act even worse then the one's that do it alot..and its not even kids like everyone complains it is.
Sorry, but idiots were a lot more apparent in WoW. I don't think I'm one of those guys, are you implying that I acted like an idiot? Also, I never said anything about kids... Tell me which other MMO started something as stupid, and annoying, as the Chuck Norris and Rick Rolled jokes? What about all the L2Ps everybody tosses around? The forums are full of disrespect and insults, so is the game. Just read general chat... there was always someone talking shit (L2P! No stfu nub! Omg! Die in a fire! LULZ. LAWL!). FFXI was the other MMO I really played... and I don't recall as many assholes in the game.
yes more people means your gonna notice more idiots, and i didn't call you one, but can you say you never have acted like one?, i'm sure i have here and there...i brought up the kids thing because people immediately wanna scream about kiddies, when its mostly adults i have seen acting up. as for chuck norris and rickroll those were started on other sites and brought to wow.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
Your assumptions are based from the previous MMOs track records. A new player can either make or break. Any MMO that will be released for that matter might have something in the market. So yes we'll see when WAR is released.
Well ok i can't help but comment that kiddies have more patience than grown ups. So those currently playing WoW may take some time to get sick and tired of the game.
Ofcourse I base it on previous MMO track records, because those are a (most of the time) a lot more reliable than fanboyism.There is nothing that even slightly hints that WAR will have anything on WoW. If Lotro can't do it, an IP that is much more popular than Warhammer, then I see no reason why WAR should. Its not like the Warhammer games have such an amazing trackrecord of units sold or quality.
The warhammer games have been around for 30+ years, and a decent amount of Warcraft artistic style was taken by blizzare from the warhammer games.Games workshop is one of the 2 or 3 most respected companies in the gaming world.''
that seems like an amazing track record to me ^^
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well war vs wow hmmm
considering the podcasts out that are there for war atm i think about either 1/4 or even 1/2 of wow pop are gonna try war at the least
i am the podcasts have got me right fired up looking forward to the game itself and if it is even 1/2 as good as the community hype atm it should be a fresh new addiction to add to my mmorpg list
though i only play 4 mmorpg's atm hehe
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You want to bet? I have heard fanbois say that "RF Online" Would be the WoW Killer or "Dungeon & Dragons Online" would be the WoW killer. Yet even an IP that is MUCH, MUCH bigger than WAR, such as Lord of the rings Online, did not have a scratch on WoW's playerbase. But you're now trying to say that an MMO with a much lesser known IP is going to have an effect on WoW? Yeah, just like Dark age of Camelot had an effect on Everquest, right? /sarcasm
To the other poster who said "No kiddin". In fact, you're right. History will probably repeat yourself. Because in the past, Mythic's previous project, Dark age of Camelot was also branded to be the Everquest killer, about the same way that fanbois are now claiming that WAR will will have an effect on WoW. Turns out, DAOC had no effect whatsoever on Everquest, and DAOC subscriber base never came even close to Everquests.
Saying WAR will have anything on WoW, THAT is funny.
Your assumptions are based from the previous MMOs track records. A new player can either make or break. Any MMO that will be released for that matter might have something in the market. So yes we'll see when WAR is released.
Well ok i can't help but comment that kiddies have more patience than grown ups. So those currently playing WoW may take some time to get sick and tired of the game.
Ofcourse I base it on previous MMO track records, because those are a (most of the time) a lot more reliable than fanboyism.There is nothing that even slightly hints that WAR will have anything on WoW. If Lotro can't do it, an IP that is much more popular than Warhammer, then I see no reason why WAR should. Its not like the Warhammer games have such an amazing trackrecord of units sold or quality.
The warhammer games have been around for 30+ years, and a decent amount of Warcraft artistic style was taken by blizzare from the warhammer games.Games workshop is one of the 2 or 3 most respected companies in the gaming world.''
that seems like an amazing track record to me ^^
Just because Warhammer has been around for a long time does not mean that the game will be a competitor. There have been previous Warhammer video/computer games, and none of them had amazing sales nor did they had extremely high review scores.Lotro has been around much longer than Warhammer,and its much more popular, but Blizzard announced their subscribtion base went up by 500k players despite Lotro's release. Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars is also an incredbly popular franchise, but its subscribtion base never even reached 500k subscribers. A famous IP certainly helps, but its still no receipe for victory.
Of course WAR will change WoW. The siege weapons and hero class has been "on the horizon" since I started playing in feb 05. They even said they weren't going to have hero classes anymore. The siege weapons and the reamergence of hero classes (I believe) is Blizzard rolling out the big things people have been asking about for years. There's no doubt in my mind they are going to put more features in this xpac than probably any other one. TBC was a good polished xpac with some cool things but why didn't they bring out hero classes then? why not siege weapons?
I don't necessarily think WAR or AoC will kill WoW but they both have a potential too, and moreso than any MMO thats come out while WoW has been out. People that claimed Vangaurd, LoTR, or GuildWars would kill WoW were off their rocker. WAR and AoC...I think its possible. I hope there's some good competition out their, it only makes things better for us consumers.
Will WAR affect WoW? yes it will.
WAR and AoC are PvP oriented games and they are serious about it where as WoW is PvE with a lame PvP.In terms of replayability WAR will crush WoW because there's not a single class which has the same skills.Where as if I take a mage from Horde it has the same skills as Mage from Alliance.
Will WAR kill WoW..no and I don`t want it to kill WoW simply because of the bad WoW community by this I don't imply the whole community.
The way I see things is that Blizzard is aiming at the Asian market with endless grinding and constant leveling with each new Expansion.
The PvP community will be divided between WAR and AoC which will leave WoW with his PvE player base but how many will be able to evenn have a peek to those high level instances such as Naxx.
WoW reached 9 millions subs but Guild wars has 4 millions who would have thought that Guild Wars will do fine and they have one of the best instanced PvP on the market.
2008 will be a turning point in gaming because 3 companies (EA Mythic/Funcom/ArenaNet)which have visions will release their MMOs and they are not promising a WoW clone like (LOTRO for example) So I guess greedy money minded Vivendi better start shitting in his pants because his player base will decrease whether they like it or not.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
oh, and if you think that there won't be any grinding in WAR or AoC, you're in for a shock.
Give me one reason, just one, why pvp players would actually leave WoW for WAR. Everquest subscribers didn't leave for DAOC, why would they for WAR?
Also, WoW has reached 9 million active subscribers, Guild Wars has only sold 4 million units. thats a huge difference.
DaoC was not a turning point. Anarchy Online was not a turning point, and neither was Guild Wars.
I haven't said that these game will kill WoW because the only thing that can kill WoW is WoW itself.When I say 2008 will be a turning point I mean that Blizzard will lose subs whether they like it or not because people will have a choice among three games.I was in an active guild with 170 souls after 3 years only 20 is still playing and I`m sure there are many more like us around the world.
Most War fans playing WoW will leave the game...why should they play a rip off of WAR which has nothing new after 3 years when they can have WAR with it's humour and lingo
Comparing World of Warcraft to Everquest is like comparing a cat to a dog.The time,the customer base and technology was different...grinding in Everquest was meaningful where as grinding in WoW is meaningless because in the next expansion all your work will be wiped off.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Give me one reason, just one, why pvp players would actually leave WoW for WAR. Everquest subscribers didn't leave for DAOC, why would they for WAR?
Wait, what? If they're into PvP, why would they stay with a PvE game when there's a perfectly good (don't know that yet, but whatever) PvP game to play? Unless they're happy with WoW's PvP system (in which case, they're probably not "real" PvPers) and still enjoy raiding, I don't see any reason for them to stay with WoW.
And why didn't EQ subscribers leave for DAoC? Wait......they did! Not all of them, obviously, but there was probably more than a few.
Guild Wars sold 4 Million BOXES. There's a big difference between games sold and active subscribers. Everyone that buys GWs is a subscriber even if they only played for 5 minutes. If Blizzard counted every box sold as a subscriber...
lets not go there;)
WAR will obviously influence WOW, just like Mythic has been HEAVILY influenced by WOW. Looking at the videos, UI and stryle of play is clear enough proof.
I like the idea of competition which will improve wow because I am a fan of the game and if it had more pvp I would play it more religiously.
To be honest however I don't see war taking more then a couple thousand subscribers, as in 20-40,000 tops because that's ruffly the percentage of people who play wow now that could actually run the game on there computers. Remember most people who play wow are playing on labtops that they got for college or on old systems that they have back home, and considering that 90 percent of people who play wow are under 40 but older than 17 it seems to me that most simply won't even be able to play it. Now this doesn't mean they won't buy it, I remember I bought games before i knew about computer hardware that didn't work, but it means that it will probably piss them off if they have to run it in sub standard settings. Why play a game on a rig that is optimized for osmething more powerful when you can play a game optimized for your own rig. It just looks better. And yes the graphics in WAR are better objectively but how they will look with all the settings down is anyways guess. VG looked great with settings all maxed out but when you put it on default or medium the game looks worse than wow in my opinion and I believe that other people feel this way too.
I don't mean to be a graphics stickler but when the graphics look bad, as in designed badly not high res in this case, I just can't play because I feel that there's another game out there that isn't necessarily prettier but more ergonomic to my eyes. I guess I just have ocd when i see a random artifact or something on the screen in an offbeat res that's supposed to be part of the avatar screen or something. Know what i mean?
Just my opinion.
Wow, who would have thought there'd be so many replies! Anyway, ive been reading through and besides all the bitching i think i gathered some main points. Correct me if i'm wrong but i this is what i got...
WoW will see a migration of PvP players to WAR because everyone knows world PvP in WoW is next to dead despite their efforts. Admittedly Hellfire Peninsula seems to see a lot of action.
I think it's less likely we'll see PvE players move, who would? some people have clocked up over 100 days play time, made friends in their guild and worked hard to get where they are. As a PvE game WoW is good, grind is unavoidable in every MMO.
To be honest, now that I've thought about it i dont think blizzard have too much to worry about. They have millions of players hooked on a game with 'good' lore, myself included as i was an addict since WC2. They can also 'promise' to bring out new content to keep players ticking over and paying their money, even if it doesnt quite meet expectations it would still take more than that to see lots of players leaving.
I still hope WAR does really well and i think i will be playing it. I just think in order for it to succeed well it needs to come out polished and with some sort of free trial(?), anything and everything to get (WoW) players trying it. Oddly one of the big things for me is that i want a game that feels 'dirtier' or 'raw' with blood and guts and cutting limbs off in combat stuff - that just isn't WoW, with it's paper cut out cannons and buildings.
Anyway, not sure how much longer this thread can last, so i'd just like to say i liked the comment about WoW designers catering for the asians by implementing more 'grind', as if that's what they look for in a game... or something
Yeah that asian thing is pretty racist considering that race has nothing to do with your prefrences, as if liking playing games with a grind is genetic.