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I'll be order unless i'm out voted by my guild, which is also mainly family members. I always seem to pick the underdog side of things though. I guess i'm just a gluntin' for punishment
Anyway if everyone that has PvP/RvR skills plays destruction not much of a challenge. Which is one more reason to to play Order. Think about...convert, mend your ways see the light. Is my Jedi mind tricks working on you?
Personally I don't pick a side because of looks and just play the class that I enjoy. If there's the same class for more than one race then looks do become a factor. Personally I almost always play a dwarf if I can and it probably won't change for this. I really like is Chaos but that's because my 40K armies were Chaos and Eldar - despite the fact that they're basically the 40K elves albeit much cooler. Ignoring that recently I've grown really fond of greenskins especially goblins so I'll give the squig herder a go because I love pet classes. But like all MMOs I'll probably try a few race/class combos until I find the one I really like.
i would like to add my 1.5 cents for what it's worth ...
i understand that i am a novice member to this site, however, i have been following the posts of various games for quite some time ... i really enjoy this community and reading the up-to-date and minute by minute posts. i really don't understand why there is so much debate about something as simple as 'starting' factions or realms ... people are going to play what they want to play. my head really starts to spin when i read comments from people stating opinions as factual information. does it really matter what 'side' people are going to be joining from the start??? so what if one becomes overpopulated from the start. do you seriously think that community of gamers playing will not notice this going on and try their best to even things out to keep WAR fun and playable? really, shouldn't rolling up a toon is based on personal ideas? i understand that if your guild all goes to one side that you will probably follow ... that's great! ... being in a guild is one of the main aspects to an MMO. i just don't see why there is so much wasted time playing faction debates. just buy the game, roll what you want to roll ... what does it matter if all the young, new, TT, pizza eating, anime CCG playing kids are rolling up! (i hope there was humor to that) the design of WAR looks to be going very well and the PvP/RvR looks like a lot of fun ... i hope it will be all that it looks to be when the game releases and that 'everyone' as a whole wants to keep it that way so we can all enjoy something fresh and new ...
for the record, i can't stand WoW ... i am a CoX & NCSoft player ... maybe that is why this whole 'faction/realm' thing seems silly to me ... i am REALLY looking forward to playing a game based on a TT that i have been playing for years and years ... i wish they would have made 40k MMO first but what can you do ... *shrug*
keep posting and i'll keep reading! these forums are great!
You'd be right but sadly there are a lot of people who want to be "the best" in these games for virtual bragging rights and will play whatever gives them the biggest advantage. Hence the flavour of the month players. Then you get people that enjoy playing the underdog because it affords you more oportunities for PvP. Some guilds wth long standing rivalries will always pick opposite sides, some will stick with their old guilds etc.
Basically there are way too many factors to take into account before anyone says that one side will gorssly outnumber the other. It's the way of MMOs that some servers will always have more numbers on one side. My old WoW server was once dominated by horde but from what I've heard they're virtually extinct now.
i really don't understand why there is so much debate about something as simple as 'starting' factions or realms ... >Because imbalance in realm populations can unbalance the PVP aspect of open combat< does it really matter what 'side' people are going to be joining from the start??? >Yes, it really does matter if too many join one side over the other< so what if one becomes overpopulated from the start. >You would have had to play a game like DAOC or even WOW to understand the negatives of a population imbalance< do you seriously think that community of gamers playing will not notice this going on and try their best to even things out to keep WAR fun and playable? >No they won't, in DAOC for years many servers had an imbalance between the 3 realms (usually either Albion or Hibs) and it did affect the gaming experience of the underdog realms. Mythic tried several techniques to balance the sides including bonus /level command which let folks who already had a lvl 50 char in one realm re-roll on another and start right off at level 30 (instead of 20 on other servers) Sadly, these efforts mostly failed.< really, shouldn't rolling up a toon is based on personal ideas? > Perhaps in theory you are correct, but in reality I want to play on servers that maintain more or less a 50/50 balance, and that's why people are debating the issue here atm< i just don't see why there is so much wasted time playing faction debates. >Again, because you haven't experienced the negative impacts that faction imbalances have caused in the past, which is obvious since you stated<
"for the record, i can't stand WoW ... i am a CoX & NCSoft player ... "
Oh yes, also a good idea to not come into the forums and accuse us of "wasting time" discussing a subject...its ours to waste....
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well that makes sense ... and i can understand that. i have played numerous MMOs on top of CoX including non-NCSoft titles like WoW [this is how i know i can't stand it], DDO, LotRO, Matrix Online [i won't even go there], and a ton of Free MMO's and probably about 5 other pay MMOs that i can't even think of ... i never experienced a server imbalance and i see that this is really a problem in the MMO fantasy genre and maybe even other types. thanks for not flaming my post ... i appreciate the informative reply.
as for me, i am going to roll up about every race and every type. i just want to try out every possible aspect of this game ... i'll figure out what i like to play soon enough and stick with it until LvL cap.
One last thing to note about my post, reguardless of whether it's true, just or unjust, the general preception is
childern play the "good" side (yes I do know the WAR lore and that both sides are pretty equally bad in a sence)
and
true pvp'ers / gankers play the "bad" side.
Now we can argue if these perceptions are correct, but not the general truth of the statements alone. Just to further hammer in my point -- WAR is a pvp game first and foremost.
Given the 2 above overly generalized preceptions, it would be safe to assume that the general population would a) not want to pvp with kids and b) pvp with regular pvp'ers, which would, subconsciencely even, make them roll Destruction.
I probably shouldn't of written this at 2am and that is my mistake as my wording could of been clearer.
By the way... perception is 100% reality reguardless of it's truth.
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I always would have imagined children would play the evil race because they think its COOL to be bad.
That preception would be true if every game had the character designers that Mythic does. Overall "evil" races are generally very ugly in MMO's. which lead to the sterotype.
The only game I can think of in recent memory with better looking evil characters would be CoX, and not to belittle the game or community, but many more people will be coming from WoW (mainly because CoX is a good unique game and many probably won't leave).
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I always would have imagined children would play the evil race because they think its COOL to be bad.
That preception would be true if every game had the character designers that Mythic does. Overall "evil" races are generally very ugly in MMO's. which lead to the sterotype.
The only game I can think of in recent memory with better looking evil characters would be CoX, and not to belittle the game or community, but many more people will be coming from WoW (mainly because CoX is a good unique game and many probably won't leave).
I think there's also something to be said for players who like to switch things up. If you've been playing a certain race, alignment, or faction for 6 months to several years in another MMO, it's sometimes nice to start fresh in a new game. I think there are just as many of this type of player as there are the people who always play an elf or a dwarf or a human or whatever throughout each game they play.
Even though each race will have the similar class archetypes, I think there seems to be enough differences from race to race where people will decide based on class over simply race. I tend to HATE elves, but several of the classes Mythic have revealed so far look cool enough to try out. I also tend to avoid humans in fantasy MMO's--they kind of bore me since I see enough of them in real life so usually opt for something different in-game. But the witch hunter could get me to create a human if I try the class on for size and its a good fit.
Very Hard to believe. Feels like everyone will be playing Destruction side. 1st: almost every kid likes Dark Elves, feels like it will be 40% of elves, 40% of Chaos and other Greenskins on one side. 2nd: try searching on web, almost on every site you can find polls and in those polls 1st place is Chaos or DE, last ones are Empire, Dwarfs and HE. 3rd: in Warhammer Tabletop ver. very popular armies are Beasts of Chaos, DE or Hordes of Chaos (not talking about Vampire Counts). Skaven popular too btw. I know a few kids that play WoW. Guess what race they play? This is obvious.
Don't you remember these forums when WoW was about to come out? It was the same deal saying horde was going to be over populated.
Those polls mean pretty much nothing, because there is only a minority of the potential gaming population following WAR on forums right now. Now, maybe if you polled every single beta applicant, and collected that data somewhere, then you could tote that around saying, "see, look here". But, to say that those polls(which the same people could be the population being polled on every site) are accurate is very incorrect.
TT-Didn't you read the post above you with all the green? Probably should check that out and see that dwarf/empire are very very popular armies too
I didn't say it will be like that, it's just my opinion.
Also I always hear/see is "I'm going to play "evil" or "bad" side this time" or something similar.
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Yea people keep saying this....but come release, everyone is gunna be bitching about the Order zerg.
"It was two against a thousand, and we killed em both"
Very Hard to believe. Feels like everyone will be playing Destruction side.
1st: almost every kid likes Dark Elves, feels like it will be 40% of elves, 40% of Chaos and other Greenskins on one side.
2nd: try searching on web, almost on every site you can find polls and in those polls 1st place is Chaos or DE, last ones are Empire, Dwarfs and HE.
3rd: in Warhammer Tabletop ver. very popular armies are Beasts of Chaos, DE or Hordes of Chaos (not talking about Vampire Counts). Skaven popular too btw.
I know a few kids that play WoW. Guess what race they play? This is obvious.
Oh my! you're right, these polls with 200 people voting obviously show the majority of the MILLIONS that will be playing WAR....
I feel sorry for you since you visited some kind of poor sites. I saw polls with 1000+ people.
MILLIONS? Omg, MILLIONS I saw only in WoW. This game didn't have any release yet and you are saying MILLIONS.
Millions is a very good estimate! A lot of people don't know how huge a fanbase WARHAMMER has! Especial americans as the fanbase in northeurope is in ........Millions.
Seriusly the lead in tabletop wargames - for decades. For many years the second biggest roleplaying game! A lot of stores selling only WARHAMMER stuff . Warhammer miniatures is being sold in nearly every major bookstore in my country. Properly every young kid in my country at some time had been drolling over some WARHAMMER merchandise in the last 10 years . Basicly if you have any experience with fantasy there is non-online odds are you know alot about warhammer!
So Warhammer online is a dream coming true For a lot of people! And that makes it very reasonble to ekspext millions of players!
I feel sorry for you since you visited some kind of poor sites. I saw polls with 1000+ people. MILLIONS? Omg, MILLIONS I saw only in WoW. This game didn't have any release yet and you are saying MILLIONS.
Millions is a very good estimate! A lot of people don't know how huge a fanbase WARHAMMER has! Especial americans as the fanbase in northeurope is in ........Millions.
Seriusly the lead in tabletop wargames - for decades. For many years the second biggest roleplaying game! A lot of stores selling only WARHAMMER stuff . Warhammer miniatures is being sold in nearly every major bookstore in my country. Properly every young kid in my country at some time had been drolling over some WARHAMMER merchandise in the last 10 years . Basicly if you have any experience with fantasy there is non-online odds are you know alot about warhammer!
So Warhammer online is a dream coming true For a lot of people! And that makes it very reasonble to ekspext millions of players!
I completely agree that the Wahammer fan base as a whole (TT'ers and strategy PC gamers included) has a huge untapped section of the market which Warhammer may or may not be able to tap.
Like I said before, I personally don't believe WAR will appeal to TT'ers who have never played an mmo before. Many TT'ers I've talked to (i admit though this is a small sampling) abor the idea of mmo's, which is why many of them are still playing table top. Combine that with inherit mid to high system requirements a modern MMO has and one has to expect traditionalists who are not already "into" current PC games will be left in the dark.
WoW got around this by having execptionally low system requirmensts, even for a game released in 2004. Look at the problems EQ2 had on release with EQ traditionalist not wanting to upgrade their PCs (now granted EQ2 had manymore problems at release then just the system requirements).
As best a comparable fan base as I can suggest WAR fans look to is actaully Final Fantasy. Both communities are tight knit, with millions of fans world wide. When FFXI was released, even with all the hype around it, many FF traditionalist never made the jump to the mmo and still don't recognize it as part of the FF universe.
Again FF had other problems at release but it is as best example of a large IP based game as i can think of.
Another exmple would be LotRO. There are more toliken fans wrold wide then FF and WAR combined but LotRO will probably never rise above 1-2 million subs.
Point being, don't count on the non mmo gamers to support WAR just because of the IP. BUT those here should welcome TT'ers with open arms as any TT'er that stays playing WAR is icing on the cake imo.
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nice discussion you raise dominia ! And since mythic has not revealed anything on how it will deal with a player population being unbalanced, its also an important discussion. At least to calm our fears that the game with get unbalanced and flawed just because to many are playing on one side.
There are many ways to balance a 40% -60% case. It has always puzzled me that they have dealt with the waiting in wow battleground by letting alliance players battle each others about the right to meet the Horde. Tool like that whit internal struggle wil be very easy to do and help alot! another way is to pair server populations against each other on a scedual, and in that way put strong realms up against each other ! If on one server destruction wins and on another order. Then these 2 groups are put against each other "next round"
But back on track. I will look upon it in a little different way !
Some players are mainly PvP and some are mainly PvE. And i think thats where you see the differense
Traditional PvE players will choose Order as being good and doing good and saving the world while getting powerfull is the standard fantasy gaming goal! This include young first timers , roleplaying romantics. a lot of girls , and a lot of boys wanting to play with girls, and those under " you better be good" infuence from parents ! This also includes some of the warhammer hardcore fans that have been struggling to survive in the Fantasy roleplay, and like to have the same online experience! Did i mention the nice posibility to make friends and meat people as its an online game!
Now PvP players they are in it for the thrill, the competion, the right to brag and show supiority, to play with friends, gank, have fun., teamplay and challenges. This includes playing out the not so nice sides of personality that real life does not allow " its only a game, noob". This include alot of players there have played MMO's and teamplay, online FPS and so on. And some Warhammer gamers there just love trying to be evil! For a lot of players this fits very well with the destruction side! too Raid and plunder and have fun! And since most online forums is in it for the PvP thats properly why most online polls shows destruction so favored.
And then we have all the ones with their individuel story about why the prefere one side that another. Fashion (its all about the hats), underdogs ( its all about the challenge), nobility/waaagh (its all about the lore), friends (its all about the social ). But i think they are more difficult to place.
And if my assumtions are right then we have alot more Destruction PvP players and alot more Order PvE players. And this will make the start rather funny as storyline order PvE players will really get the feeling of a doomed world while getting chrushed when they enter PvP vs hardcore destruction online gamers for the first times. But hopefully they learn fast!
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now taking it further lets look at who playes what races ! ( Warning this is not that serius- but rather funny to think about)
The girls(including the wanna be with girls) play high elves ( the cute factor), and the nervous and serious plays empire the warhammer roleplay freaks ( the bastion against chaos, as in the roleplay- ( its fantasy but lets play it safe -stay human) and the nerds play dwarfs ( who else play dwarf).
And the sexual frustrated teen fascinated by leather and bondage playes dark elves ( he wanna play with the girls , just not ready to admit it even when he is 35, ). The weirdows and power gamer play Chaos( if you get excited about mutations you are a wierd or powerhungry). And the holligans playes Greenskin.( poul says that himself).
I think Nerds against Hooligans looks like a good battle as nerds don't quit , don't whine and really plays well even if outnumbered, and hooligans are a garanti for a good brawl, and dirty trick. Also when outnumbered! If there is just enough nerds this looks rally promising, hooligans will newer lack in numbers.
Serius and safe against the wierd and powerseeking. Now thats properly something about the empire being steamrolled once and then thereafter setting up some good defense but repeately being beaten until the underdog lowers gathers and then its going to be though for chaos to gain ground, unless offcause the famous movement of winner joiners lands there aswell.
Now girls and wannabees aginst sexual frustrated teens. Say no more
Originally posted by dominia Coolness factor. Plainly in WAR, the Destruction side has visibly more attractive characters to its audience who are pvpers in general. Chosen, Black Orc, any of the new Dark Elf classes; the provided armor and weapons just look cooler. Whether it be dwarven heads on shoulder pads, or a giant Halbrek (the largest weapon in the game), Destruction win out. Many tabletop gamers prefer the quirkiness of the Destruction forces. Many many roleplayers and TT gamers like the humor and lore of Destruction. Bi-sexual-hermaphrodite gods, orc single mindedness, or sinister but sexy Dark Elves make for classic dark humor quests, which many adore.
1) Coolness is taste. Chaos looks stupid, bumbling and evil to me. Why would anyone want to walk around as a drooling and 1 word orc is beyond me. Whaaaaaggg! is right.
2) If you think the majority of the Warhammer online gamers are going to be people that have even played the Tabletop you are very very very delusional.
Many Believe only 12 year olds play the good side.
Again, wrong. Go look up the research people did on age and the side they play. The majority of the Alliance (aka good side) were older people.
Your theory is all personal bias and as such is pretty much wrong.
Go look at every single MMO to date and see what the average is good/evil.
Originally posted by Noan 2nd: try searching on web, almost on every site you can find polls and in those polls 1st place is Chaos or DE, last ones are Empire, Dwarfs and HE.
Yeah and WoW's polls Alliance V Horde was the exact same and lookie here, Horde is not the overwhelming majority...
Threads like these are interesting. It's fun to speculate, but in the end, I think only time will tell. I'd bet it's going to be more like most other MMO's where it's server dependent. You may find a higher number of RvR participating Destruction on one server and turn around to find high number of RvR Order gamers on another.
Don't know where you got "evil" side is cooler in WAR... just looking at "good" side classes has me drooling, dwarf hammer or a human mage or maybe engineer for me. I feel so sorry for anyone I come across cause I love to PvP. I was causing PvP chaos in WOW in first month it came out then got bored after hitting 60 in 1 month... using warlock as well.
Coolness factor. Plainly in WAR, the Destruction side has visibly more attractive characters to it’s audience who are pvp’ers in general. Chosen, Black Orc, any of the new Dark Elf classes; the provided armor and weapons just look cooler. Whether it be dwarven heads on shoulder pads, or a giant Halbrek (the largest weapon in the game), Destruction win out.
Many tabletop gamers prefer the quirkiness of the Destruction forces. Many many roleplayers and TT gamers like the humor and lore of Destruction. Bi-sexual-hermaphrodite gods, orc single mindedness, or sinister but sexy Dark Elves make for classic dark humor quests, which many adore.
1) Coolness is taste. Chaos looks stupid, bumbling and evil to me. Why would anyone want to walk around as a drooling and 1 word orc is beyond me. Whaaaaaggg! is right.
2) If you think the majority of the Warhammer online gamers are going to be people that have even played the Tabletop you are very very very delusional.
Many Believe only 12 year olds play the good side.
Again, wrong. Go look up the research people did on age and the side they play. The majority of the Alliance (aka good side) were older people.
Your theory is all personal bias and as such is pretty much wrong.
Go look at every single MMO to date and see what the average is good/evil.
Well in my 7 years of mmo experience, these have been my observations, and hence why it is fun to debate. ^^
And your probably right, TT gamers are very regional and I must live in a Destruction dominate section of the country. Everyone I know has a huge orc army or a legion of Skaven.
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I think it will be pretty much 50 50. I usually find myself with the "good" side so to speak. That said, I am pretty sure I am going to change gears and hit up the "evil" side this time. I think it just comes down to preference and I think that will be about 50% on both sides give or take a couple percent here and there.
Different times of days and different servers will tell different stories for which side appears stronger as well.
Don't know where you got "evil" side is cooler in WAR... just looking at "good" side classes has me drooling, dwarf hammer or a human mage or maybe engineer for me. I feel so sorry for anyone I come across cause I love to PvP.
I dunno but I like both sides and still can't decide which to choose. Both looks cool. Same goes to classes, they are all good, I mean class mechanics I saw were lovely.
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Can you tell the future? Do you have some psychic gifts like Miss Cleo? If so read me my fortune.
If not then kindly be quiet. No one will know what the population will be until the game launches. Too many things will change between now and then for anyone to predict it so stop posting trash.
Can you tell the future? Do you have some psychic gifts like Miss Cleo? If so read me my fortune. If not then kindly be quiet. No one will know what the population will be until the game launches. Too many things will change between now and then for anyone to predict it so stop posting trash.
This is a forum. It is for posting and discussing opinions related to a forthcoming game. Many people find this interesting. I, for one, enjoyed reading the post, and I am sure others did, too, despite whether or not they agreed with it.
In short, the only bit of trash is your useless post trying to prevent people from predicting and debating. If you dislike such things, do not read such threads or, better yet, stay away from forums as speculation seems to disagree with your closed mind.
By the way, your fortune: you will one day realize how foolish it is to be upset at someone for posting an opinion on a forum. Unfortunately, this will not occur for a while, during which time you will continue to be a jackass.
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Except this time.... being green appears to be following the crowd...maybe you should roll a dwarf.....
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I'll be order unless i'm out voted by my guild, which is also mainly family members. I always seem to pick the underdog side of things though. I guess i'm just a gluntin' for punishment
Anyway if everyone that has PvP/RvR skills plays destruction not much of a challenge. Which is one more reason to to play Order. Think about...convert, mend your ways see the light. Is my Jedi mind tricks working on you?
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I agree pretty much with everything Puma said.
Personally I don't pick a side because of looks and just play the class that I enjoy. If there's the same class for more than one race then looks do become a factor. Personally I almost always play a dwarf if I can and it probably won't change for this. I really like is Chaos but that's because my 40K armies were Chaos and Eldar - despite the fact that they're basically the 40K elves albeit much cooler. Ignoring that recently I've grown really fond of greenskins especially goblins so I'll give the squig herder a go because I love pet classes. But like all MMOs I'll probably try a few race/class combos until I find the one I really like.
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i would like to add my 1.5 cents for what it's worth ...
i understand that i am a novice member to this site, however, i have been following the posts of various games for quite some time ... i really enjoy this community and reading the up-to-date and minute by minute posts. i really don't understand why there is so much debate about something as simple as 'starting' factions or realms ... people are going to play what they want to play. my head really starts to spin when i read comments from people stating opinions as factual information. does it really matter what 'side' people are going to be joining from the start??? so what if one becomes overpopulated from the start. do you seriously think that community of gamers playing will not notice this going on and try their best to even things out to keep WAR fun and playable? really, shouldn't rolling up a toon is based on personal ideas? i understand that if your guild all goes to one side that you will probably follow ... that's great! ... being in a guild is one of the main aspects to an MMO. i just don't see why there is so much wasted time playing faction debates. just buy the game, roll what you want to roll ... what does it matter if all the young, new, TT, pizza eating, anime CCG playing kids are rolling up! (i hope there was humor to that) the design of WAR looks to be going very well and the PvP/RvR looks like a lot of fun ... i hope it will be all that it looks to be when the game releases and that 'everyone' as a whole wants to keep it that way so we can all enjoy something fresh and new ...
for the record, i can't stand WoW ... i am a CoX & NCSoft player ... maybe that is why this whole 'faction/realm' thing seems silly to me ... i am REALLY looking forward to playing a game based on a TT that i have been playing for years and years ... i wish they would have made 40k MMO first but what can you do ... *shrug*
keep posting and i'll keep reading! these forums are great!
You'd be right but sadly there are a lot of people who want to be "the best" in these games for virtual bragging rights and will play whatever gives them the biggest advantage. Hence the flavour of the month players. Then you get people that enjoy playing the underdog because it affords you more oportunities for PvP. Some guilds wth long standing rivalries will always pick opposite sides, some will stick with their old guilds etc.
Basically there are way too many factors to take into account before anyone says that one side will gorssly outnumber the other. It's the way of MMOs that some servers will always have more numbers on one side. My old WoW server was once dominated by horde but from what I've heard they're virtually extinct now.
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well that makes sense ... and i can understand that. i have played numerous MMOs on top of CoX including non-NCSoft titles like WoW [this is how i know i can't stand it], DDO, LotRO, Matrix Online [i won't even go there], and a ton of Free MMO's and probably about 5 other pay MMOs that i can't even think of ... i never experienced a server imbalance and i see that this is really a problem in the MMO fantasy genre and maybe even other types. thanks for not flaming my post ... i appreciate the informative reply.
as for me, i am going to roll up about every race and every type. i just want to try out every possible aspect of this game ... i'll figure out what i like to play soon enough and stick with it until LvL cap.
One last thing to note about my post, reguardless of whether it's true, just or unjust, the general preception is
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Now we can argue if these perceptions are correct, but not the general truth of the statements alone. Just to further hammer in my point -- WAR is a pvp game first and foremost.
Given the 2 above overly generalized preceptions, it would be safe to assume that the general population would a) not want to pvp with kids and b) pvp with regular pvp'ers, which would, subconsciencely even, make them roll Destruction.
I probably shouldn't of written this at 2am and that is my mistake as my wording could of been clearer.
By the way... perception is 100% reality reguardless of it's truth.
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I always would have imagined children would play the evil race because they think its COOL to be bad.
That preception would be true if every game had the character designers that Mythic does. Overall "evil" races are generally very ugly in MMO's. which lead to the sterotype.
The only game I can think of in recent memory with better looking evil characters would be CoX, and not to belittle the game or community, but many more people will be coming from WoW (mainly because CoX is a good unique game and many probably won't leave).
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That preception would be true if every game had the character designers that Mythic does. Overall "evil" races are generally very ugly in MMO's. which lead to the sterotype.
The only game I can think of in recent memory with better looking evil characters would be CoX, and not to belittle the game or community, but many more people will be coming from WoW (mainly because CoX is a good unique game and many probably won't leave).
I think there's also something to be said for players who like to switch things up. If you've been playing a certain race, alignment, or faction for 6 months to several years in another MMO, it's sometimes nice to start fresh in a new game. I think there are just as many of this type of player as there are the people who always play an elf or a dwarf or a human or whatever throughout each game they play.
Even though each race will have the similar class archetypes, I think there seems to be enough differences from race to race where people will decide based on class over simply race. I tend to HATE elves, but several of the classes Mythic have revealed so far look cool enough to try out. I also tend to avoid humans in fantasy MMO's--they kind of bore me since I see enough of them in real life so usually opt for something different in-game. But the witch hunter could get me to create a human if I try the class on for size and its a good fit.
Don't you remember these forums when WoW was about to come out? It was the same deal saying horde was going to be over populated.
Those polls mean pretty much nothing, because there is only a minority of the potential gaming population following WAR on forums right now. Now, maybe if you polled every single beta applicant, and collected that data somewhere, then you could tote that around saying, "see, look here". But, to say that those polls(which the same people could be the population being polled on every site) are accurate is very incorrect.
TT-Didn't you read the post above you with all the green? Probably should check that out and see that dwarf/empire are very very popular armies too
I didn't say it will be like that, it's just my opinion.
Also I always hear/see is "I'm going to play "evil" or "bad" side this time" or something similar.
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Very Hard to believe. Feels like everyone will be playing Destruction side.
1st: almost every kid likes Dark Elves, feels like it will be 40% of elves, 40% of Chaos and other Greenskins on one side.
2nd: try searching on web, almost on every site you can find polls and in those polls 1st place is Chaos or DE, last ones are Empire, Dwarfs and HE.
3rd: in Warhammer Tabletop ver. very popular armies are Beasts of Chaos, DE or Hordes of Chaos (not talking about Vampire Counts). Skaven popular too btw.
I know a few kids that play WoW. Guess what race they play? This is obvious.
Oh my! you're right, these polls with 200 people voting obviously show the majority of the MILLIONS that will be playing WAR....
I feel sorry for you since you visited some kind of poor sites. I saw polls with 1000+ people.
MILLIONS? Omg, MILLIONS I saw only in WoW. This game didn't have any release yet and you are saying MILLIONS.
Millions is a very good estimate! A lot of people don't know how huge a fanbase WARHAMMER has! Especial americans as the fanbase in northeurope is in ........Millions.
Seriusly the lead in tabletop wargames - for decades. For many years the second biggest roleplaying game! A lot of stores selling only WARHAMMER stuff . Warhammer miniatures is being sold in nearly every major bookstore in my country. Properly every young kid in my country at some time had been drolling over some WARHAMMER merchandise in the last 10 years . Basicly if you have any experience with fantasy there is non-online odds are you know alot about warhammer!
So Warhammer online is a dream coming true For a lot of people! And that makes it very reasonble to ekspext millions of players!
Millions is a very good estimate! A lot of people don't know how huge a fanbase WARHAMMER has! Especial americans as the fanbase in northeurope is in ........Millions.Seriusly the lead in tabletop wargames - for decades. For many years the second biggest roleplaying game! A lot of stores selling only WARHAMMER stuff . Warhammer miniatures is being sold in nearly every major bookstore in my country. Properly every young kid in my country at some time had been drolling over some WARHAMMER merchandise in the last 10 years . Basicly if you have any experience with fantasy there is non-online odds are you know alot about warhammer!
So Warhammer online is a dream coming true For a lot of people! And that makes it very reasonble to ekspext millions of players!
I completely agree that the Wahammer fan base as a whole (TT'ers and strategy PC gamers included) has a huge untapped section of the market which Warhammer may or may not be able to tap.
Like I said before, I personally don't believe WAR will appeal to TT'ers who have never played an mmo before. Many TT'ers I've talked to (i admit though this is a small sampling) abor the idea of mmo's, which is why many of them are still playing table top. Combine that with inherit mid to high system requirements a modern MMO has and one has to expect traditionalists who are not already "into" current PC games will be left in the dark.
WoW got around this by having execptionally low system requirmensts, even for a game released in 2004. Look at the problems EQ2 had on release with EQ traditionalist not wanting to upgrade their PCs (now granted EQ2 had manymore problems at release then just the system requirements).
As best a comparable fan base as I can suggest WAR fans look to is actaully Final Fantasy. Both communities are tight knit, with millions of fans world wide. When FFXI was released, even with all the hype around it, many FF traditionalist never made the jump to the mmo and still don't recognize it as part of the FF universe.
Again FF had other problems at release but it is as best example of a large IP based game as i can think of.
Another exmple would be LotRO. There are more toliken fans wrold wide then FF and WAR combined but LotRO will probably never rise above 1-2 million subs.
Point being, don't count on the non mmo gamers to support WAR just because of the IP. BUT those here should welcome TT'ers with open arms as any TT'er that stays playing WAR is icing on the cake imo.
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nice discussion you raise dominia ! And since mythic has not revealed anything on how it will deal with a player population being unbalanced, its also an important discussion. At least to calm our fears that the game with get unbalanced and flawed just because to many are playing on one side.
There are many ways to balance a 40% -60% case. It has always puzzled me that they have dealt with the waiting in wow battleground by letting alliance players battle each others about the right to meet the Horde. Tool like that whit internal struggle wil be very easy to do and help alot! another way is to pair server populations against each other on a scedual, and in that way put strong realms up against each other ! If on one server destruction wins and on another order. Then these 2 groups are put against each other "next round"
But back on track. I will look upon it in a little different way !
Some players are mainly PvP and some are mainly PvE. And i think thats where you see the differense
Traditional PvE players will choose Order as being good and doing good and saving the world while getting powerfull is the standard fantasy gaming goal! This include young first timers , roleplaying romantics. a lot of girls , and a lot of boys wanting to play with girls, and those under " you better be good" infuence from parents ! This also includes some of the warhammer hardcore fans that have been struggling to survive in the Fantasy roleplay, and like to have the same online experience! Did i mention the nice posibility to make friends and meat people as its an online game!
Now PvP players they are in it for the thrill, the competion, the right to brag and show supiority, to play with friends, gank, have fun., teamplay and challenges. This includes playing out the not so nice sides of personality that real life does not allow " its only a game, noob". This include alot of players there have played MMO's and teamplay, online FPS and so on. And some Warhammer gamers there just love trying to be evil! For a lot of players this fits very well with the destruction side! too Raid and plunder and have fun! And since most online forums is in it for the PvP thats properly why most online polls shows destruction so favored.
And then we have all the ones with their individuel story about why the prefere one side that another. Fashion (its all about the hats), underdogs ( its all about the challenge), nobility/waaagh (its all about the lore), friends (its all about the social ). But i think they are more difficult to place.
And if my assumtions are right then we have alot more Destruction PvP players and alot more Order PvE players. And this will make the start rather funny as storyline order PvE players will really get the feeling of a doomed world while getting chrushed when they enter PvP vs hardcore destruction online gamers for the first times. But hopefully they learn fast!
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now taking it further lets look at who playes what races ! ( Warning this is not that serius- but rather funny to think about)
The girls(including the wanna be with girls) play high elves ( the cute factor), and the nervous and serious plays empire the warhammer roleplay freaks ( the bastion against chaos, as in the roleplay- ( its fantasy but lets play it safe -stay human) and the nerds play dwarfs ( who else play dwarf).
And the sexual frustrated teen fascinated by leather and bondage playes dark elves ( he wanna play with the girls , just not ready to admit it even when he is 35, ). The weirdows and power gamer play Chaos( if you get excited about mutations you are a wierd or powerhungry). And the holligans playes Greenskin.( poul says that himself).
I think Nerds against Hooligans looks like a good battle as nerds don't quit , don't whine and really plays well even if outnumbered, and hooligans are a garanti for a good brawl, and dirty trick. Also when outnumbered! If there is just enough nerds this looks rally promising, hooligans will newer lack in numbers.
Serius and safe against the wierd and powerseeking. Now thats properly something about the empire being steamrolled once and then thereafter setting up some good defense but repeately being beaten until the underdog lowers gathers and then its going to be though for chaos to gain ground, unless offcause the famous movement of winner joiners lands there aswell.
Now girls and wannabees aginst sexual frustrated teens. Say no more
1) Coolness is taste. Chaos looks stupid, bumbling and evil to me. Why would anyone want to walk around as a drooling and 1 word orc is beyond me. Whaaaaaggg! is right.
2) If you think the majority of the Warhammer online gamers are going to be people that have even played the Tabletop you are very very very delusional.
Again, wrong. Go look up the research people did on age and the side they play. The majority of the Alliance (aka good side) were older people.
Your theory is all personal bias and as such is pretty much wrong.
Go look at every single MMO to date and see what the average is good/evil.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Yeah and WoW's polls Alliance V Horde was the exact same and lookie here, Horde is not the overwhelming majority...
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Threads like these are interesting. It's fun to speculate, but in the end, I think only time will tell. I'd bet it's going to be more like most other MMO's where it's server dependent. You may find a higher number of RvR participating Destruction on one server and turn around to find high number of RvR Order gamers on another.
Time will tell.
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Don't know where you got "evil" side is cooler in WAR... just looking at "good" side classes has me drooling, dwarf hammer or a human mage or maybe engineer for me. I feel so sorry for anyone I come across cause I love to PvP. I was causing PvP chaos in WOW in first month it came out then got bored after hitting 60 in 1 month... using warlock as well.
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1) Coolness is taste. Chaos looks stupid, bumbling and evil to me. Why would anyone want to walk around as a drooling and 1 word orc is beyond me. Whaaaaaggg! is right.
2) If you think the majority of the Warhammer online gamers are going to be people that have even played the Tabletop you are very very very delusional.
Again, wrong. Go look up the research people did on age and the side they play. The majority of the Alliance (aka good side) were older people.
Your theory is all personal bias and as such is pretty much wrong.
Go look at every single MMO to date and see what the average is good/evil.
Well in my 7 years of mmo experience, these have been my observations, and hence why it is fun to debate. ^^
And your probably right, TT gamers are very regional and I must live in a Destruction dominate section of the country. Everyone I know has a huge orc army or a legion of Skaven.
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so far des has more attractive professions to play.
I think it will be pretty much 50 50. I usually find myself with the "good" side so to speak. That said, I am pretty sure I am going to change gears and hit up the "evil" side this time. I think it just comes down to preference and I think that will be about 50% on both sides give or take a couple percent here and there.
Different times of days and different servers will tell different stories for which side appears stronger as well.
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Can you tell the future? Do you have some psychic gifts like Miss Cleo? If so read me my fortune.
If not then kindly be quiet. No one will know what the population will be until the game launches. Too many things will change between now and then for anyone to predict it so stop posting trash.
This is a forum. It is for posting and discussing opinions related to a forthcoming game. Many people find this interesting. I, for one, enjoyed reading the post, and I am sure others did, too, despite whether or not they agreed with it.
In short, the only bit of trash is your useless post trying to prevent people from predicting and debating. If you dislike such things, do not read such threads or, better yet, stay away from forums as speculation seems to disagree with your closed mind.
By the way, your fortune: you will one day realize how foolish it is to be upset at someone for posting an opinion on a forum. Unfortunately, this will not occur for a while, during which time you will continue to be a jackass.