"Seriously this will become another mmo out there that has all PvP victories decided by who has the most people. So Guilds will be spamming channels and trying to recruit hundreds of noobs to go hack and slash another bunch of noobs."
That is actually very likely to happen in aoc but will never happen in war. Since aoc is a guild vs guild (as far as pvp goes) it would stand to reason that a bunch of hardcore pvp'ers will try to recruit as many noobs as they can to make a mega guild that will dominate the server. In war however, there is no point in doing so, because regardless of weather or not those noobs are in your guild, as long as they pvp and win, you benefit from it (well, as much as you'll benefit from other people killing)
Besides, how do you want to see what war has to offer in a video? War offers many new things, as far as pvp combat goes, but those things are in the mechanics, and the way they designed classes and abilities, you can't see those things in a video. Besides, you would actually have to know how mechanics work and the different implications of those mechanics on gameplay (like daoc's casting or melee system compared to wow's ) to understand what's different/better about war's. But you won't see it in a video.
But once again, it's not about how many new and revolutionary ideas a game has, it's about how fun it is. Give me wow with better class balance, and no raids except ubrs (and lvl 60 cap) with a daoc like frontiers to capture keeps and daoc's rps system and what not and I will be there, along with many other people. A lot of people just want a good pvp game, and that is what mythic is trying to deliver with war.
At the same time that is part of the charm for Warhammer Online. You can just jump right in and start fighting right out of the gate. The learning curve is minimal because it has been done before in previous games, so right off the bat you can start working on your ToK, which is a feature I just love in this game.
I have my doubts about people usign merenaries in aoc, well, unless mercenaries is defined as a bunch of people who want to pvp but don't want or can't hold their own keep/tower. Why would you pay someoen to fight for you, when you can get them to join your guild and do it for free?
In eve, you have mercenaries because when you die you lose items (no item loss in aoc) because being an experienced fighter with your own crew you would perform much better than others (this is true to an extend in all mmos, but more so in eve) and most important, because you have completely carabear corps-- industrial corps, which have a ton of cash but little to no combat pilots. These won't apply to aoc.
Also, you may say that skilled players will kill none skilled noobs, since it's true for every mmo, but don't try to tell me that 40 noobs can't just zerg your 10 really skilled players. And since they have 40 people at that keep and you only got 10, they will get more "tickets" thus they will win.
And fion, I know you like aoc and dislike mythic and thus are very negative towards war, but look at it objectively. Aoc isn't adding that much new in their combat, adn there is nothign dynamic about it, except in combat dodging which hasn't been shown yet. You need to point your weapon at an enemy? You already need to do that in every mmo, because if they are behind you, you aren't swinging at them.
Directional attack keys are nice and all, but the way combat system works right now, is you press a combo button, it tells you which directional key to hit to continue to perform that combo, then next key and next key. That's not exactly different from say daoc where you would have a 3 part style chain. Sure, in daoc you press a button and in aoc you press a directional attack key, but in the end you still press a button on your keyboard.
So, what is this real time combat? =p it's just a catch phrase honestly, it's no more real time than daoc. When it's time for your weapon to swing, you can press a button and it will swing, if it's not time to swing yet, no matter what you do you won't swing untill it's time. Kind of like daoc =p you hit a button to perform style a, when it's time to swing, you perform style a, if it's not time to swing, you won't swing. Only difference is that daoc has auto attack, so mythic made styles queable, so as soon as you perform style a you hit style b button, and it will go off when the swing timer comes. In aoc, you don't have auto attack, so once you hit directional attack 1 you wait and then hit directional attack 2 (unless attacks are queable same as in daoc, so you would hit 2 as soonas you land 1 and then it will go off when it's time)
So meh, aoc's combat is definitely new and innovative, but it's not so new that it's like whoa, it's pretty similar to what is already out there, and I would expect anyone who played an mmo before to get used to combat system in just a few min. We'll see weather or not it makes it more fun than the standard mmo combat, but for now it's anyone's guess
What I am hoping for from all these games especially AoC is a PvP system that does not automatically decide who is going to win because they have X weapon and are X levels higher than the enemy. I have played too many mmo's that in the first 5 seconds of battle one player is throwing out buffs to try and escape while the other more equipped player is doing everything to root, snare, slow or whatever so they can get a kill. I remember having a great 1 on 1 battle with an enemy in Vanguard because it so happened we were exactly the same level. Went on for 5 minutes. But the other 100 times it was flee or slaughter. (Using that as an example).
I want a PvP system that allows any player to have a chance against anyone. Take a FPS like Counter strike. Obviously I would prefer a sniper rifle to a pistol but the person with the pistol can still take down the sniper if they have enough skill. Its just harder.
So in War, AoC and any fantasy game I want to feel like I can grab a club off the ground and still belt a higher level player into next week even if they are using the best weapon in the game.
That is why there is so much griefing going on. Everybody picks on players 5-10 levels lower than them so almost every fight lasts 10 seconds with 1 player being wiped out and normally for no reward.
Eve and Jumpgate are two games that really had heart pumping battles that could go either way.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24580.html THIS is a 'next gen' mmo with a hype of 7.3? The future of MMO's may be in danger lol not hating on the fans of the game it just looks like a WEAK mmo to me... and... well could someone please explain the hype because frankly it's beyond me? It's not the tabletop game... but it sure ain't no 'next gen' sweetness either...
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Next time you troll, please try to find a RECENT trailer to criticize instead of a PRE-ALPHA gameplay video montage.
Also, I am pretty sure NONE of the type surrounding WAR has anything to do with it being "Next Gen."
The hype is actually about the Warhammer franchise and Mythic's RvR gameplay ... which many of us remember fondly from DAoC.
What I am hoping for from all these games especially AoC is a PvP system that does not automatically decide who is going to win because they have X weapon and are X levels higher than the enemy. I have played too many mmo's that in the first 5 seconds of battle one player is throwing out buffs to try and escape while the other more equipped player is doing everything to root, snare, slow or whatever so they can get a kill. I remember having a great 1 on 1 battle with an enemy in Vanguard because it so happened we were exactly the same level. Went on for 5 minutes. But the other 100 times it was flee or slaughter. (Using that as an example). I want a PvP system that allows any player to have a chance against anyone. Take a FPS like Counter strike. Obviously I would prefer a sniper rifle to a pistol but the person with the pistol can still take down the sniper if they have enough skill. Its just harder. So in War, AoC and any fantasy game I want to feel like I can grab a club off the ground and still belt a higher level player into next week even if they are using the best weapon in the game. That is why there is so much griefing going on. Everybody picks on players 5-10 levels lower than them so almost every fight lasts 10 seconds with 1 player being wiped out and normally for no reward. Eve and Jumpgate are two games that really had heart pumping battles that could go either way.
I think you will be pleased to hear I believe both games are gunning for this. WAR is said to be less gear centric, and AoC is claiming the same thing.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24580.html THIS is a 'next gen' mmo with a hype of 7.3? The future of MMO's may be in danger lol not hating on the fans of the game it just looks like a WEAK mmo to me... and... well could someone please explain the hype because frankly it's beyond me? It's not the tabletop game... but it sure ain't no 'next gen' sweetness either...
I find no other game that has, to what it seems like, this much SOUL and LIFE into it as this game. I'm positive this game will be one of the funniest online experiences ever.
Yep, it'll be just as fun as WoW. I mean, that was the goal when mythic took it on. I've had enough of that style gameplay. Archlord seems better then this IMO, and its free. I keep trying to get into warhammer, because I need a damn game, but Mythic is all talk, they show snippets of gameplay that looks boring. Those charactors did the same action for 35 seconds, IF thats combat in Warhammer I'll play UNO ONLINE!
how many time do we need to tell you to stfu already . all your "opinions" are based on nothing as usual. You can't judge gameplay by your so-called "snippets of gameplay" . i myself tought it had similar play mechanics as wow before playing it at gamesday. was I wrong!. WOW players where getting slaughtered because they where spamming abilities , not making the right tactical decision at the right time etc. the combat are very intense. anyway tachyon , all your hate post on WAR are just getting retarded . you aint gonna play it , so GTFO already.
Mythic never said anything about next gen , they are about making a fun game and for what i've played and seen they already succeeded in that regard and i just can't wait to play it when it's even more polished.
AOC next gen? err ok . good for them . copy oblivion combat and put nice DX10 graphic , add some sex buffs and drunken brawl and it's a next gen!!!! . Hope for them they do more work on coding shit then drawing tities , because MMO + Real-time combo fighting = better be flawless because a single bit of graphic and/or network lag will destroy that game , whatever other feature they have.
WAR played it safer and i like it , they're mechanics are proved an true with a nice twist , so it can't fail. add in city siege and combat and End game PVP , it's all i need. if this don't do it for you , WAKE UP . it just not the game for you so stop trolling on the game already.
You know what you did just brings you down to his level right? No better or worse than what he said, just let it go.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24580.html THIS is a 'next gen' mmo with a hype of 7.3? The future of MMO's may be in danger lol not hating on the fans of the game it just looks like a WEAK mmo to me... and... well could someone please explain the hype because frankly it's beyond me? It's not the tabletop game... but it sure ain't no 'next gen' sweetness either...
I find no other game that has, to what it seems like, this much SOUL and LIFE into it as this game. I'm positive this game will be one of the funniest online experiences ever.
Yep, it'll be just as fun as WoW. I mean, that was the goal when mythic took it on. I've had enough of that style gameplay. Archlord seems better then this IMO, and its free. I keep trying to get into warhammer, because I need a damn game, but Mythic is all talk, they show snippets of gameplay that looks boring. Those charactors did the same action for 35 seconds, IF thats combat in Warhammer I'll play UNO ONLINE!
how many time do we need to tell you to stfu already . all your "opinions" are based on nothing as usual. You can't judge gameplay by your so-called "snippets of gameplay" . i myself tought it had similar play mechanics as wow before playing it at gamesday. was I wrong!. WOW players where getting slaughtered because they where spamming abilities , not making the right tactical decision at the right time etc. the combat are very intense. anyway tachyon , all your hate post on WAR are just getting retarded . you aint gonna play it , so GTFO already.
Mythic never said anything about next gen , they are about making a fun game and for what i've played and seen they already succeeded in that regard and i just can't wait to play it when it's even more polished.
AOC next gen? err ok . good for them . copy oblivion combat and put nice DX10 graphic , add some sex buffs and drunken brawl and it's a next gen!!!! . Hope for them they do more work on coding shit then drawing tities , because MMO + Real-time combo fighting = better be flawless because a single bit of graphic and/or network lag will destroy that game , whatever other feature they have.
WAR played it safer and i like it , they're mechanics are proved an true with a nice twist , so it can't fail. add in city siege and combat and End game PVP , it's all i need. if this don't do it for you , WAKE UP . it just not the game for you so stop trolling on the game already.
You know what you did just brings you down to his level right? No better or worse than what he said, just let it go.
blah blah blah. with the way you concur on the idiotics posts your Guild leader make , you don't have much room to talk.
What idiotic post has Red made that I have agreed with?
Whats the definition of NExt GEN mmo. Cause all i ever see "The game for the next gen players" or even "The first next gen mmo" and either all i see is the same old gameplay or graphics that add more light reflections. Now tell me does next gen just mean more light reflections or does game play matter? If so this is definately not next gen.
Wow, i didn't know i was suppose to research all your threads and see if you defend war on the AoC boards. Honestly i couldn't care less about the AoC boards, they can bash war all they want. After all it is their forum.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24580.html THIS is a 'next gen' mmo with a hype of 7.3? The future of MMO's may be in danger lol not hating on the fans of the game it just looks like a WEAK mmo to me... and... well could someone please explain the hype because frankly it's beyond me? It's not the tabletop game... but it sure ain't no 'next gen' sweetness either...
I find no other game that has, to what it seems like, this much SOUL and LIFE into it as this game. I'm positive this game will be one of the funniest online experiences ever.
Yep, it'll be just as fun as WoW. I mean, that was the goal when mythic took it on. I've had enough of that style gameplay. Archlord seems better then this IMO, and its free. I keep trying to get into warhammer, because I need a damn game, but Mythic is all talk, they show snippets of gameplay that looks boring. Those charactors did the same action for 35 seconds, IF thats combat in Warhammer I'll play UNO ONLINE!
how many time do we need to tell you to stfu already . all your "opinions" are based on nothing as usual. You can't judge gameplay by your so-called "snippets of gameplay" . i myself tought it had similar play mechanics as wow before playing it at gamesday. was I wrong!. WOW players where getting slaughtered because they where spamming abilities , not making the right tactical decision at the right time etc. the combat are very intense. anyway tachyon , all your hate post on WAR are just getting retarded . you aint gonna play it , so GTFO already.
Mythic never said anything about next gen , they are about making a fun game and for what i've played and seen they already succeeded in that regard and i just can't wait to play it when it's even more polished.
AOC next gen? err ok . good for them . copy oblivion combat and put nice DX10 graphic , add some sex buffs and drunken brawl and it's a next gen!!!! . Hope for them they do more work on coding shit then drawing tities , because MMO + Real-time combo fighting = better be flawless because a single bit of graphic and/or network lag will destroy that game , whatever other feature they have.
WAR played it safer and i like it , they're mechanics are proved an true with a nice twist , so it can't fail. add in city siege and combat and End game PVP , it's all i need. if this don't do it for you , WAKE UP . it just not the game for you so stop trolling on the game already.
You know what you did just brings you down to his level right? No better or worse than what he said, just let it go.
blah blah blah. with the way you concur on the idiotics posts your Guild leader make , you don't have much room to talk.
What idiotic post has Red made that I have agreed with?
bah i tought Avery was it because of the way he yapped all the time . my bad. i don't mind bashing ( which i also do) when uninformed bullshit is said about a gameyour fan of. But bashing interested players with legitimate concerns about features that doesnt seem to go the right way is just stupid.
Meh, I bash as well, but I will inform when it seems a general concern and not just troll bait.
so why intervened in my post vs tachyon , a pain in the ass that just keep trolling and flamming a game he knows next to nothing about. I've then said what my experience playing it was and showed with aoc as an exemple that going for a next-gen title is much more risky as if one of your new mechanic don't function well , it ruins it all. where going for an evolution of existing and proved working mechanic is safer and a path I prefer for a MMO i do not want to fail. i don't see any trolling on my part.
I didn't claim you were trolling, merely stating that going back at him is only going to make him want to post here more, and not just post, but troll. You could have just reported his message for trolling. The only "trolling" you may have shown was when you claimed I flat out concur with idiotic posts my guild leader makes. If you look, I do not take part in most of any of my guild members threads. Not because I disagree with them, or agree with them, but if I disagree with something they say, it may cause guild friction, and if I agree with anything they say, I get accused of being a follower. If The Acolytes have made 50 threads on this forum, you may find me in four or five.
Ok, first of all, this is pre-alpha content as far as I know. This means they haven't even started the alpha testing yet, and they still have several phrases of alpha and beta testing left. Second, all games released today or under development are 'next-gen'. As far as I know, time decides wether something is 'next-gen', not technology.
I really gotta disagree with the second statement. Next Gen would have to refer to the technology/growth of the game, rather than it's age or time of release... not time, but technology/ability/features of the game define Next Gen.
Games that may be pretty next gen MMO's I can quickly think of:
Age of Conan, Chronicles of Spellborn, Darkfall [if it is really coming out]
Personally I can't wait for the mysterious BioWare mmo... but then again that's slated for 2009 and if we're all still hunting boars and grinding mobs just the same, it's gonna be a little sad if you ask me.
If pvp is pretty much all this title has going for it, maybe they should just make a 'fantasy' version of BATTLEFIELD... BATTLEFIELD: WARHAMMER if you will lol...
See here is the problem you need to do some research is all. AoC currently is far from next -gen (by your standards) The only thing it has new so far is directional attacks ... that are just like clicking key number one for whatever skill. Otehr than its numpad key 1 for a swing down and left. If a mob is weak to it then it will do more damage if not less damage ... same as a skill. DF was being made during the last gen.. and will never come out (people who follow mmos know this , that and if it does come out it will diliver about 15% of what it promised and be a sorry excuse for an mmo).
That being said gens - are more like changes in type of game play. Like wow was easy, quest driven, solo. (thast what made it popular, even tho it is using the old eleet loots model from games way before it for end game now).
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Lets look at what the warhammer development team have said about the game they make.
What they have said is that when looking at mmos today there is some basic stuff there works and there is no reason to change. So they have take the best of that. And then they have added 3 things.... 3 thing they say they are innovative about, and where WARHAMMER stands out. its! RvR combat, Puplic Quest and Tome off knowledge ! Thats it.
And when you go into what they are doing in detail, then its so obvius the next thing to do with the classic mmo style. And i feel their is a big chance that at least 2 out of thesse 3 will be standard in most mmo in the future.
And then there is all the small things that points at a really deep understanding of the game experience they want to improve.
Like the tank's taunt (there work in PvP). Forcing the healer to do damage. Putting Crowd Control on a dimminshing return when reused . Inteligents kill quests and so on. Small things when first encountered , but things that points at a very smoth and well polished game.
All this together could realistic be the standards for next generation mmo, but that you will not see if looking for the huge revolution someone expect next generation to be.
I'm disappointed. Played it at the Games Convention Asia and it's a complete WoW clone. Animations, interface, controls. Heck, even the spell portraits are similar. Disappointing.
Well, I like to see myself as relatively objective. I like the looks of the game and will probably play it, but to be fair. Public Quests are new, not innovative but new (baby steps). RvR is a cool concept, but the game seems to be based around it, it isn't going to be the greatest thing to ever be in a game, and frankly it's something from their last game (it's not something that's brand new, but its been tested. They're not using anything new, but they are taking stuff that was fun from other MMO's and putting in the tried and true devices with some twists in the right direction.
Lets look at what the warhammer development team have said about the game they make. What they have said is that when looking at mmos today there is some basic stuff there works and there is no reason to change. So they have take the best of that. And then they have added 3 things.... 3 thing they say they are innovative about, and where WARHAMMER stands out. its! RvR combat, Puplic Quest and Tome off knowledge ! Thats it. And when you go into what they are doing in detail, then its so obvius the next thing to do with the classic mmo style. And i feel their is a big chance that at least 2 out of thesse 3 will be standard in most mmo in the future. And then there is all the small things that points at a really deep understanding of the game experience they want to improve. Like the tank's taunt (there work in PvP). Forcing the healer to do damage. Putting Crowd Control on a dimminshing return when reused . Inteligents kill quests and so on. Small things when first encountered , but things that points at a very smoth and well polished game. All this together could realistic be the standards for next generation mmo, but that you will not see if looking for the huge revolution someone expect next generation to be.
Exactly, just like my last post. Not much new, and all that is new is just a variation of something old. All together though it should turn out to be a bloody good game.
Heh I was watching that...and my brother and his friend walked up, who both are really hyped up over this warhammer game...and they "go oh cool, is that World of warcrafts lich king expansion?" I just smiled and said nothing after that
I was really excited about the game. I was hoping for something innovative and really cool but it's such a clone. I can only shake my head in disappointment. Guess every fantasy MMO will try to be like WoW. Bah.
I was really excited about the game. I was hoping for something innovative and really cool but it's such a clone. I can only shake my head in disappointment. Guess every fantasy MMO will try to be like WoW. Bah.
They said DAOC was an EQ clone also. Good luck with whatever game you're planning to play.
I was really excited about the game. I was hoping for something innovative and really cool but it's such a clone. I can only shake my head in disappointment. Guess every fantasy MMO will try to be like WoW. Bah.
Hello, anyone realize that every game is a clone and none more then WoW being a clone of DAoC which is made by the same company making warhammer.
To say warhammer is a clone of warcraft is the same as saying "I have no idea what I'm saying"
How can a company that cloned a clone of a clone of a clone which was then cloned by blizzard now be accused of copying warcraft?
I was really excited about the game. I was hoping for something innovative and really cool but it's such a clone. I can only shake my head in disappointment. Guess every fantasy MMO will try to be like WoW. Bah.
Hello, anyone realize that every game is a clone and none more then WoW being a clone of DAoC which is made by the same company making warhammer.
To say warhammer is a clone of warcraft is the same as saying "I have no idea what I'm saying"
How can a company that cloned a clone of a clone of a clone which was then cloned by blizzard now be accused of copying warcraft?
I believe the game is reffered to as a wow clone because the graphics look exactly the same.
I dont understand why people are calling this game a wow clone.. Nothing would be farther from the truth. But suite yourself. I am sure that I'll buy this game on release day.
This game is Warhammer online and indeed it is "Warhammer" online. from what I have seen in the newsletters and so on, they captured th warhammer world perfectly.
If your calling it a wow clone because of the interface.. well LOL at you. Why change an interface that seems to work good, is simple to understand and clearly laid out? Do you realise that wow was not the first game with that interface?
wow clone because of the graphics? even bigger LOL.. go look at Warhammer Art on www.games-workshop.com. This franchise has been around much longer than Warcraft by the way.. so if anybody was copying anybody it was Blizzard that stole concepts from Games Workshop and not the other way around. As I mentioned earlier.. the art looks exactly like it should when you look at the tabletop and the PnP RPG.
well everybody to his own, but my guess is, this is going to be one of the BIG mmorpg's next year.
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"Seriously this will become another mmo out there that has all PvP victories decided by who has the most people. So Guilds will be spamming channels and trying to recruit hundreds of noobs to go hack and slash another bunch of noobs."
That is actually very likely to happen in aoc but will never happen in war. Since aoc is a guild vs guild (as far as pvp goes) it would stand to reason that a bunch of hardcore pvp'ers will try to recruit as many noobs as they can to make a mega guild that will dominate the server. In war however, there is no point in doing so, because regardless of weather or not those noobs are in your guild, as long as they pvp and win, you benefit from it (well, as much as you'll benefit from other people killing)
Besides, how do you want to see what war has to offer in a video? War offers many new things, as far as pvp combat goes, but those things are in the mechanics, and the way they designed classes and abilities, you can't see those things in a video. Besides, you would actually have to know how mechanics work and the different implications of those mechanics on gameplay (like daoc's casting or melee system compared to wow's ) to understand what's different/better about war's. But you won't see it in a video.
But once again, it's not about how many new and revolutionary ideas a game has, it's about how fun it is. Give me wow with better class balance, and no raids except ubrs (and lvl 60 cap) with a daoc like frontiers to capture keeps and daoc's rps system and what not and I will be there, along with many other people. A lot of people just want a good pvp game, and that is what mythic is trying to deliver with war.
At the same time that is part of the charm for Warhammer Online. You can just jump right in and start fighting right out of the gate. The learning curve is minimal because it has been done before in previous games, so right off the bat you can start working on your ToK, which is a feature I just love in this game.
I have my doubts about people usign merenaries in aoc, well, unless mercenaries is defined as a bunch of people who want to pvp but don't want or can't hold their own keep/tower. Why would you pay someoen to fight for you, when you can get them to join your guild and do it for free?
In eve, you have mercenaries because when you die you lose items (no item loss in aoc) because being an experienced fighter with your own crew you would perform much better than others (this is true to an extend in all mmos, but more so in eve) and most important, because you have completely carabear corps-- industrial corps, which have a ton of cash but little to no combat pilots. These won't apply to aoc.
Also, you may say that skilled players will kill none skilled noobs, since it's true for every mmo, but don't try to tell me that 40 noobs can't just zerg your 10 really skilled players. And since they have 40 people at that keep and you only got 10, they will get more "tickets" thus they will win.
And fion, I know you like aoc and dislike mythic and thus are very negative towards war, but look at it objectively. Aoc isn't adding that much new in their combat, adn there is nothign dynamic about it, except in combat dodging which hasn't been shown yet. You need to point your weapon at an enemy? You already need to do that in every mmo, because if they are behind you, you aren't swinging at them.
Directional attack keys are nice and all, but the way combat system works right now, is you press a combo button, it tells you which directional key to hit to continue to perform that combo, then next key and next key. That's not exactly different from say daoc where you would have a 3 part style chain. Sure, in daoc you press a button and in aoc you press a directional attack key, but in the end you still press a button on your keyboard.
So, what is this real time combat? =p it's just a catch phrase honestly, it's no more real time than daoc. When it's time for your weapon to swing, you can press a button and it will swing, if it's not time to swing yet, no matter what you do you won't swing untill it's time. Kind of like daoc =p you hit a button to perform style a, when it's time to swing, you perform style a, if it's not time to swing, you won't swing. Only difference is that daoc has auto attack, so mythic made styles queable, so as soon as you perform style a you hit style b button, and it will go off when the swing timer comes. In aoc, you don't have auto attack, so once you hit directional attack 1 you wait and then hit directional attack 2 (unless attacks are queable same as in daoc, so you would hit 2 as soonas you land 1 and then it will go off when it's time)
So meh, aoc's combat is definitely new and innovative, but it's not so new that it's like whoa, it's pretty similar to what is already out there, and I would expect anyone who played an mmo before to get used to combat system in just a few min. We'll see weather or not it makes it more fun than the standard mmo combat, but for now it's anyone's guess
What I am hoping for from all these games especially AoC is a PvP system that does not automatically decide who is going to win because they have X weapon and are X levels higher than the enemy. I have played too many mmo's that in the first 5 seconds of battle one player is throwing out buffs to try and escape while the other more equipped player is doing everything to root, snare, slow or whatever so they can get a kill. I remember having a great 1 on 1 battle with an enemy in Vanguard because it so happened we were exactly the same level. Went on for 5 minutes. But the other 100 times it was flee or slaughter. (Using that as an example).
I want a PvP system that allows any player to have a chance against anyone. Take a FPS like Counter strike. Obviously I would prefer a sniper rifle to a pistol but the person with the pistol can still take down the sniper if they have enough skill. Its just harder.
So in War, AoC and any fantasy game I want to feel like I can grab a club off the ground and still belt a higher level player into next week even if they are using the best weapon in the game.
That is why there is so much griefing going on. Everybody picks on players 5-10 levels lower than them so almost every fight lasts 10 seconds with 1 player being wiped out and normally for no reward.
Eve and Jumpgate are two games that really had heart pumping battles that could go either way.
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Next time you troll, please try to find a RECENT trailer to criticize instead of a PRE-ALPHA gameplay video montage.
Also, I am pretty sure NONE of the type surrounding WAR has anything to do with it being "Next Gen."
The hype is actually about the Warhammer franchise and Mythic's RvR gameplay ... which many of us remember fondly from DAoC.
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I think you will be pleased to hear I believe both games are gunning for this. WAR is said to be less gear centric, and AoC is claiming the same thing.
I find no other game that has, to what it seems like, this much SOUL and LIFE into it as this game. I'm positive this game will be one of the funniest online experiences ever.
Yep, it'll be just as fun as WoW. I mean, that was the goal when mythic took it on. I've had enough of that style gameplay. Archlord seems better then this IMO, and its free. I keep trying to get into warhammer, because I need a damn game, but Mythic is all talk, they show snippets of gameplay that looks boring. Those charactors did the same action for 35 seconds, IF thats combat in Warhammer I'll play UNO ONLINE!
how many time do we need to tell you to stfu already . all your "opinions" are based on nothing as usual. You can't judge gameplay by your so-called "snippets of gameplay" . i myself tought it had similar play mechanics as wow before playing it at gamesday. was I wrong!. WOW players where getting slaughtered because they where spamming abilities , not making the right tactical decision at the right time etc. the combat are very intense. anyway tachyon , all your hate post on WAR are just getting retarded . you aint gonna play it , so GTFO already.
Mythic never said anything about next gen , they are about making a fun game and for what i've played and seen they already succeeded in that regard and i just can't wait to play it when it's even more polished.
AOC next gen? err ok . good for them . copy oblivion combat and put nice DX10 graphic , add some sex buffs and drunken brawl and it's a next gen!!!! . Hope for them they do more work on coding shit then drawing tities , because MMO + Real-time combo fighting = better be flawless because a single bit of graphic and/or network lag will destroy that game , whatever other feature they have.
WAR played it safer and i like it , they're mechanics are proved an true with a nice twist , so it can't fail. add in city siege and combat and End game PVP , it's all i need. if this don't do it for you , WAKE UP . it just not the game for you so stop trolling on the game already.
You know what you did just brings you down to his level right? No better or worse than what he said, just let it go.
I find no other game that has, to what it seems like, this much SOUL and LIFE into it as this game. I'm positive this game will be one of the funniest online experiences ever.
Yep, it'll be just as fun as WoW. I mean, that was the goal when mythic took it on. I've had enough of that style gameplay. Archlord seems better then this IMO, and its free. I keep trying to get into warhammer, because I need a damn game, but Mythic is all talk, they show snippets of gameplay that looks boring. Those charactors did the same action for 35 seconds, IF thats combat in Warhammer I'll play UNO ONLINE!
how many time do we need to tell you to stfu already . all your "opinions" are based on nothing as usual. You can't judge gameplay by your so-called "snippets of gameplay" . i myself tought it had similar play mechanics as wow before playing it at gamesday. was I wrong!. WOW players where getting slaughtered because they where spamming abilities , not making the right tactical decision at the right time etc. the combat are very intense. anyway tachyon , all your hate post on WAR are just getting retarded . you aint gonna play it , so GTFO already.
Mythic never said anything about next gen , they are about making a fun game and for what i've played and seen they already succeeded in that regard and i just can't wait to play it when it's even more polished.
AOC next gen? err ok . good for them . copy oblivion combat and put nice DX10 graphic , add some sex buffs and drunken brawl and it's a next gen!!!! . Hope for them they do more work on coding shit then drawing tities , because MMO + Real-time combo fighting = better be flawless because a single bit of graphic and/or network lag will destroy that game , whatever other feature they have.
WAR played it safer and i like it , they're mechanics are proved an true with a nice twist , so it can't fail. add in city siege and combat and End game PVP , it's all i need. if this don't do it for you , WAKE UP . it just not the game for you so stop trolling on the game already.
You know what you did just brings you down to his level right? No better or worse than what he said, just let it go.
blah blah blah. with the way you concur on the idiotics posts your Guild leader make , you don't have much room to talk.
What idiotic post has Red made that I have agreed with?
Whats the definition of NExt GEN mmo. Cause all i ever see "The game for the next gen players" or even "The first next gen mmo" and either all i see is the same old gameplay or graphics that add more light reflections. Now tell me does next gen just mean more light reflections or does game play matter? If so this is definately not next gen.
Wow, i didn't know i was suppose to research all your threads and see if you defend war on the AoC boards. Honestly i couldn't care less about the AoC boards, they can bash war all they want. After all it is their forum.
I find no other game that has, to what it seems like, this much SOUL and LIFE into it as this game. I'm positive this game will be one of the funniest online experiences ever.
Yep, it'll be just as fun as WoW. I mean, that was the goal when mythic took it on. I've had enough of that style gameplay. Archlord seems better then this IMO, and its free. I keep trying to get into warhammer, because I need a damn game, but Mythic is all talk, they show snippets of gameplay that looks boring. Those charactors did the same action for 35 seconds, IF thats combat in Warhammer I'll play UNO ONLINE!
how many time do we need to tell you to stfu already . all your "opinions" are based on nothing as usual. You can't judge gameplay by your so-called "snippets of gameplay" . i myself tought it had similar play mechanics as wow before playing it at gamesday. was I wrong!. WOW players where getting slaughtered because they where spamming abilities , not making the right tactical decision at the right time etc. the combat are very intense. anyway tachyon , all your hate post on WAR are just getting retarded . you aint gonna play it , so GTFO already.
Mythic never said anything about next gen , they are about making a fun game and for what i've played and seen they already succeeded in that regard and i just can't wait to play it when it's even more polished.
AOC next gen? err ok . good for them . copy oblivion combat and put nice DX10 graphic , add some sex buffs and drunken brawl and it's a next gen!!!! . Hope for them they do more work on coding shit then drawing tities , because MMO + Real-time combo fighting = better be flawless because a single bit of graphic and/or network lag will destroy that game , whatever other feature they have.
WAR played it safer and i like it , they're mechanics are proved an true with a nice twist , so it can't fail. add in city siege and combat and End game PVP , it's all i need. if this don't do it for you , WAKE UP . it just not the game for you so stop trolling on the game already.
You know what you did just brings you down to his level right? No better or worse than what he said, just let it go.
blah blah blah. with the way you concur on the idiotics posts your Guild leader make , you don't have much room to talk.
What idiotic post has Red made that I have agreed with?
bah i tought Avery was it because of the way he yapped all the time . my bad. i don't mind bashing ( which i also do) when uninformed bullshit is said about a gameyour fan of. But bashing interested players with legitimate concerns about features that doesnt seem to go the right way is just stupid.
Meh, I bash as well, but I will inform when it seems a general concern and not just troll bait.
so why intervened in my post vs tachyon , a pain in the ass that just keep trolling and flamming a game he knows next to nothing about. I've then said what my experience playing it was and showed with aoc as an exemple that going for a next-gen title is much more risky as if one of your new mechanic don't function well , it ruins it all. where going for an evolution of existing and proved working mechanic is safer and a path I prefer for a MMO i do not want to fail. i don't see any trolling on my part.I didn't claim you were trolling, merely stating that going back at him is only going to make him want to post here more, and not just post, but troll. You could have just reported his message for trolling. The only "trolling" you may have shown was when you claimed I flat out concur with idiotic posts my guild leader makes. If you look, I do not take part in most of any of my guild members threads. Not because I disagree with them, or agree with them, but if I disagree with something they say, it may cause guild friction, and if I agree with anything they say, I get accused of being a follower. If The Acolytes have made 50 threads on this forum, you may find me in four or five.
Games that may be pretty next gen MMO's I can quickly think of:
Age of Conan, Chronicles of Spellborn, Darkfall [if it is really coming out]
Personally I can't wait for the mysterious BioWare mmo... but then again that's slated for 2009 and if we're all still hunting boars and grinding mobs just the same, it's gonna be a little sad if you ask me.
If pvp is pretty much all this title has going for it, maybe they should just make a 'fantasy' version of BATTLEFIELD... BATTLEFIELD: WARHAMMER if you will lol...
See here is the problem you need to do some research is all. AoC currently is far from next -gen (by your standards) The only thing it has new so far is directional attacks ... that are just like clicking key number one for whatever skill. Otehr than its numpad key 1 for a swing down and left. If a mob is weak to it then it will do more damage if not less damage ... same as a skill. DF was being made during the last gen.. and will never come out (people who follow mmos know this , that and if it does come out it will diliver about 15% of what it promised and be a sorry excuse for an mmo).That being said gens - are more like changes in type of game play. Like wow was easy, quest driven, solo. (thast what made it popular, even tho it is using the old eleet loots model from games way before it for end game now).
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Lets look at what the warhammer development team have said about the game they make.
What they have said is that when looking at mmos today there is some basic stuff there works and there is no reason to change. So they have take the best of that. And then they have added 3 things.... 3 thing they say they are innovative about, and where WARHAMMER stands out. its! RvR combat, Puplic Quest and Tome off knowledge ! Thats it.
And when you go into what they are doing in detail, then its so obvius the next thing to do with the classic mmo style. And i feel their is a big chance that at least 2 out of thesse 3 will be standard in most mmo in the future.
And then there is all the small things that points at a really deep understanding of the game experience they want to improve.
Like the tank's taunt (there work in PvP). Forcing the healer to do damage. Putting Crowd Control on a dimminshing return when reused . Inteligents kill quests and so on. Small things when first encountered , but things that points at a very smoth and well polished game.
All this together could realistic be the standards for next generation mmo, but that you will not see if looking for the huge revolution someone expect next generation to be.
I'm disappointed. Played it at the Games Convention Asia and it's a complete WoW clone. Animations, interface, controls. Heck, even the spell portraits are similar. Disappointing.
Well, I like to see myself as relatively objective. I like the looks of the game and will probably play it, but to be fair. Public Quests are new, not innovative but new (baby steps). RvR is a cool concept, but the game seems to be based around it, it isn't going to be the greatest thing to ever be in a game, and frankly it's something from their last game (it's not something that's brand new, but its been tested. They're not using anything new, but they are taking stuff that was fun from other MMO's and putting in the tried and true devices with some twists in the right direction.
Same thing with AoC.
Exactly, just like my last post. Not much new, and all that is new is just a variation of something old. All together though it should turn out to be a bloody good game.
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Heh I was watching that...and my brother and his friend walked up, who both are really hyped up over this warhammer game...and they "go oh cool, is that World of warcrafts lich king expansion?" I just smiled and said nothing after that
I was really excited about the game. I was hoping for something innovative and really cool but it's such a clone. I can only shake my head in disappointment. Guess every fantasy MMO will try to be like WoW. Bah.
They said DAOC was an EQ clone also. Good luck with whatever game you're planning to play.
To say warhammer is a clone of warcraft is the same as saying "I have no idea what I'm saying"
How can a company that cloned a clone of a clone of a clone which was then cloned by blizzard now be accused of copying warcraft?
To say warhammer is a clone of warcraft is the same as saying "I have no idea what I'm saying"
How can a company that cloned a clone of a clone of a clone which was then cloned by blizzard now be accused of copying warcraft?
I believe the game is reffered to as a wow clone because the graphics look exactly the same.
I dont understand why people are calling this game a wow clone.. Nothing would be farther from the truth. But suite yourself. I am sure that I'll buy this game on release day.
This game is Warhammer online and indeed it is "Warhammer" online. from what I have seen in the newsletters and so on, they captured th warhammer world perfectly.
If your calling it a wow clone because of the interface.. well LOL at you. Why change an interface that seems to work good, is simple to understand and clearly laid out? Do you realise that wow was not the first game with that interface?
wow clone because of the graphics? even bigger LOL.. go look at Warhammer Art on www.games-workshop.com. This franchise has been around much longer than Warcraft by the way.. so if anybody was copying anybody it was Blizzard that stole concepts from Games Workshop and not the other way around. As I mentioned earlier.. the art looks exactly like it should when you look at the tabletop and the PnP RPG.
well everybody to his own, but my guess is, this is going to be one of the BIG mmorpg's next year.