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  • QuestionableQuestionable Member Posts: 653

    Originally posted by SynxVII


    If people are right now beta testing Darkfall i'm sure we would have heard from them by now NDA or not. And people who are working on the game or their family members is hardly concrete proof.
    And I agree AoC does seem to be having some issues the way its being put back but it doesn't compare to DF. AoC has people in beta and there is plenty of information about it, no one is calling vaporware on that. But DF is going the way of duke nukem forever or do you expect to be playing that this christmas aswell?
    As ive already stated i know of one. The forum adminstrator of DF.

    DF does have people in beta as well but their not allowed to talk about. NDA.

  • JetrpgJetrpg Member UncommonPosts: 2,347

     

    Originally posted by Questionable


     
    Originally posted by SynxVII


    If people are right now beta testing Darkfall i'm sure we would have heard from them by now NDA or not. And people who are working on the game or their family members is hardly concrete proof.
    And I agree AoC does seem to be having some issues the way its being put back but it doesn't compare to DF. AoC has people in beta and there is plenty of information about it, no one is calling vaporware on that. But DF is going the way of duke nukem forever or do you expect to be playing that this christmas aswell?
    As ive already stated i know of one. The forum adminstrator of DF.

     

    DF does have people in beta as well but their not allowed to talk about. NDA.

    You mean another person highly invested in DF? How about someone not. You might as well be saying the dev.s told me.

     

    I could be wrong here it is 100% possible, however, all the facts point to me being right.  I have a 3-d animated short that a made a few years ago if i post that on the "intronet" and make a few still motion frames and post those then write tons about how i making this amazing game, Thats what you have of DF so far.

    That being said, i think DF is a game but its in no shape to be played atm , after a logn time using older graphics ETC ETC. and no matter what i do not see it going as far as D&L did even if it ever releases. Still i don't believe it will, other than maybe to get some people to pre-order buy then smack themselves all over becuase it makes the vangaurd at release look like the perfect ever lasting mmo.

    If its great fine, but atm there no reason one one would think its great, becuase all we know about DF , is that we seen vids that maybe game client vids, and its beta / development track recored maybe one of the worst to date. Oh that can the Dev.s can promise a lot of good stuff, then agian they also have failed their beta promises outright.

    Thats what we know.  You can imagine all you want I'll keep my feet on the ground.

     One other thing i saw the leaked footage before it looks like junk. But i have to say without this i would not have said many times that i could be wrong. Still even with that I do not think ill see DF released.

    You know this game has been in a internal beta from 2003, thats amazing. In 05 it was supposted to open its doors , any day now for real THIS TIME.  Don't get me wrong it could be real, but it sounds very messed up to me. And the reason it sounds this way is because of the facts

    PS. in regards to the vaporware definition , in recent years it may have picked up the, "did exist but not released aspect", but thats not how the word came about with atari games. Also it is often defined this way becuase there is rarely a way to prove a game did not exist, only that it was said to exist but little to nothing was ever seen from it.  Thus its name vapor ware  .... vaporware. The concept behide the term is that the game never existed in a playable / functional format, ie got killed early on , however was largely advertized.

    So far From what we have seen of DF, calling it Vaporware is not out of lines, infact it is clearing inbounds.  OH, ps many vaporware titles companies do not bankrupt, and do not cancel the project, the projects simply turn to VAPOR.

     

    Ps look up computer dictonaries or some other computer based venue for the definition of vaporware it will be much more detailed than a basic definition.

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  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    Nothing like a huge prevarication trying to tell someone that Darkfall is in beta.   nothing is further from the truth.  Read their monthly logs they update what is going on, on the site every month. 

    If you notice they have not even shown a working version at any of the shows which is always a precursor to a beta product.  They certainly would have shown at Leipzip if they had anything close to a working product.   

    You just shot your credibility to hell.   Next time, try to not post nonsense.

    We will be lucky to see Beta  summer or fall of 08, I don't expect it before then, if then.

  • Xris375Xris375 Member Posts: 1,005
    Originally posted by Xavier_78


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    Hi,
    no he is not crying vaporware about AoC, PotBs or WAR because some people had actually the chance to play these games at few conventions, they all have a publisher, they all have started to register people for the beta and we can see many video of these games on the web and all are made by known companies save Potbs by Flying Labs.

    However, ill ask you a question that is proof that DF exists as a game... And you can't ps. However, if you could perhaps a link..
    Of course it doesn't exist. It's in DEVELOPMENT. This applies to AoC, PotBS, WAR as well and you are not running around there crying vaporware are you ?



    Well, just because a software is not as far down the development line or having a policy not to show unfinished products to their potential customers, doesn't make it vaporware. There were a time Aoc or WAR didn't have ANYTHING to show to their customers, still they were not judged as vaporware. Infact since AoC had been delayed 4 times since 2006 not being called vaporware.

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  • yamisniperyamisniper Member Posts: 35

    its beta ready read the last dev thing

  • Xris375Xris375 Member Posts: 1,005
    Originally posted by Jetrpg

    Originally posted by Xris375


    Vaporware is a definitive end state of a software that never were realised. You cannot be vaporware then suddenly turn software again. So you need to qualify your statement to "potential vaporware", crapware etc.. DF logically then cannot be declared vaporware until Aventurine is bankrupt, all devs have gone home and noone wants to buy the rights.
    Or it never comes out , which it will not. And vaporware impllies more thana  failed or dropped game , which your more accurately define. Vaporware is software that doesn't really exist., IE bluff.
    I've seen the dev. logs, I have seen the homepages of the people who works there, I have seen the screen shots, I have seen the videoes, I have seen that Aventurine exist as a company, they hire people, they have the multimillion dollar loans etc etc. Yeah, fora product I will not pay for until I have tested it, yeah it is good enough to deny any bluff charges. They must be this and next century most stupid criminal if they even tried it.
    Of course it doesn't exist. It's in DEVELOPMENT. This applies to AoC, PotBS, WAR as well and you are not running around there crying vaporware are you ?
    Wrong again my boy, For those listed games i have seen player taken vids , 100% unedited totaly out of crontol from the developers' hands. I have seen proof that the game does indeed exists. DF has no such vids, screenshots, or reviews (first hand accounts). No one has seen this game which has been being developed longer than any of the games you have talked about ... Why has no one seen it? I'll tell you its vaporware.
    So before FUNCOM could produce any demos/beta for external tester, AoC were vaporware ? Someone have seen the game. I bet you the bank who loaned out millions of dollars have seen it. I bet you the investors who actually have put their cash in it have seen it. I bet you all their firiends have seen it. If Aventurine don't want a potential customer to see an unfinished game, that is their policy to make and frankly make them look more professional.
    Calling people ignorant because they don't agree with your OPINION is TROLLING 101. Do some research and we might even take you serious and upgrade your status to darkelf, Black Pudding, Mini-Onion or something.
    The Df fanboies would be all like just cuase there no evidence its real, doesn't make it not real.
    Just because you are not important enough for Aventurine for them to show it to you, doesn't make it less real. Most ppl here agree that DF is real, they are just questening the quality of the game or number of features reaching release. That you are stuck looking for green giants (read: vaporware), where there are none is your problem.

     

     all this being said maybe it will release, but i doubt it will be good, any game that take forever just to get a working copy its not going to play well besides that fact.

     

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  • JetrpgJetrpg Member UncommonPosts: 2,347

     

    Originally posted by Xris375


    So before FUNCOM could produce any demos/beta for external tester, AoC were vaporware ? Someone have seen the game. I bet you the bank who loaned out millions of dollars have seen it. I bet you the investors who actually have put their cash in it have seen it. I bet you all their firiends have seen it. If Aventurine don't want a potential customer to see an unfinished game, that is their policy to make and frankly make them look more professional.

     

    No becuase before funcom copuld produce demos/beta they had not already said the game was in beta THREE YEARS AGO. You seem to be unable to grasp the fact that the dev logs three years ago said beta was started and any time now it would be opened to external testers. Funcom, Mythic, PotBS , etc all have not done this, infact the games that  do this are usually Vapor. Restating a previous poster, if beta was even close we would have seen a gameplay demo (reviewers etc.) , which no one has.

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  • vajurasvajuras Member Posts: 2,860

     

    Originally posted by Jetrpg


     
    Originally posted by Xris375


    So before FUNCOM could produce any demos/beta for external tester, AoC were vaporware ? Someone have seen the game. I bet you the bank who loaned out millions of dollars have seen it. I bet you the investors who actually have put their cash in it have seen it. I bet you all their firiends have seen it. If Aventurine don't want a potential customer to see an unfinished game, that is their policy to make and frankly make them look more professional.

     

    No becuase before funcom copuld produce demos/beta they had not already said the game was in beta THREE YEARS AGO. You seem to be unable to grasp the fact that the dev logs three years ago said beta was started and any time now it would be opened to external testers. Funcom, Mythic, PotBS , etc all have not done this, infact the games that  do this are usually Vapor. Restating a previous poster, if beta was even close we would have seen a gameplay demo (reviewers etc.) , which no one has.

     

    yeah there's unrest on the DF forums too.

    now to think of it I did notice many games do seem to linger around like Trials of Ascension and such. and this title did invite trouble so maybe u guys are justified to argue your views. I will still always follow DF i think until the day the DF staff do something to piss me off. It's one of best forums to discuss PVP and u dont have to worry about some EQ-clone fan showing up talking bout we should get no rewards from PVP and ev1 should be forced to raid. I see nonsense like that on other forums all the time so at very least I enjoy the company of the DF community regardless.

  • T3hpwnT3hpwn Member Posts: 94

    "if its vapor its vapor but they have not said that is so. "

    What can really be said to that?

    You see: generally vaporware companies don't, um, tell you they have nothing and will never release a game.

    After seven years of known lies, failures, censorship and broken promises with nothing ever released other than cheap screenshots... Yeah, keep arguing that it's not vaporware.

  • vajurasvajuras Member Posts: 2,860

    im not arguing its not vaporware. I think every game is vaporware til I play it in fact.

  • T3hpwnT3hpwn Member Posts: 94

    Originally posted by yamisniper


    keep arguing its not vaperware LMAO dude are you just retarded ? you will see you will see thenim going to come back here and laugh in your face just because they dont give updates 24/7 doesnt mean crap

    Oh well, I'll be good and ready for it since I've been laughing at the blind faith people have in this game for the last two years.

  • vajurasvajuras Member Posts: 2,860

     

    Originally posted by T3hpwn


     
    Originally posted by yamisniper


    keep arguing its not vaperware LMAO dude are you just retarded ? you will see you will see thenim going to come back here and laugh in your face just because they dont give updates 24/7 doesnt mean crap

     

    Oh well, I'll be good and ready for it since I've been laughing at the blind faith people have in this game for the last two years.



    sigh, you dont get it. MMORPG are about 'community'. getting together- whether ingame or on the forums to discuss topics and make friends. DF has already given us this. A place to discuss PVP. A place where I dont have to hold my tongue. I can curse out a carebear on DF forums and they'll get banned way before I will.

     

    A player run sandbox. A community full of people that share common ideals.

     

    you'll never ever understand this- its obvious.

    in pen & paper days many of my friends jsut sat around a long time having fun creating characters. all we had was our imagination.

     

    just maybe you're the one missing something? just maybe some of us laugh at people they think mmorpg is only about fancy graphics and uber gear?

    it isn't "blind faith" lol, its called "community".

    now on to more pleasant discussions for me....

  • yamisniperyamisniper Member Posts: 35

    well this game is far from vapor ware  : )

  • RonnyRulzRonnyRulz Member Posts: 479

    I hope it releases before I get a life. By then, I won't have time to play MMO's.

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