I read garbage like the post quoted below and it makes me smile. Been playing every mmo out there, including free to play, podcast on them, blog on them, for over 10 years and I still come back to WoW. Its a great game with far less faults then any other game out there. What makes me even happier is the upcoming release of games like Warhammer, simply due to the fact that people like the one who posted the quoted post will leave to play them.
10 Reasons to "dislike" WoW:
1) Lack of challenge
2) Community
3) Grind
4) Blizzard selling out the Warcraft Storyline
5) Unfinished Azeroth (Gilneas, Uldum, Azhara, no flying mounts due to bad landscaping, unfinished questlines, missing zones that appear on the map, Hyahl, etc.)
6) you're a Holy Priest
7) Blizzard obviously being overwhelmed when the game released but never admitting it
8) 2 years for the first expansion
9) Waiting 6+ hours for a GM
10) (raiding) content in TBC never EVER tested by anyone before release
Maybe you didn't enjoy it because you're trying to play it with your face, as evidenced by your avatar.
No I played it without having to bang my head on my keyboard even once. As for lack of challenge I played all through open Beta and only died twice that I recall because of lag. The rest of the time I didn't even have any close calls. That is how I define lack of challenge. Oh and did you think up that witty retort yourself or did some of your WoW buddies help you out. I do have to say that it is typical of the type of thing I would expect from someone in the WoW community........very childish.
Yes, I've finally solved it. Like all games in this world, WoW will keep our interest for a certain period of time, then we will eventually become bored of it and move on. This is what has happened to WoW haters. They played the game for, say, 6 months - 2 years and got sick and tired of it, and they moved on. However, after this period of time, they seem to think the game sucks because they got bored of it, and they ignore the fact it held their interest for quite a long time. In short, WoW haters don't hate WoW, they just went through the game cycle and don't realize it.
Ive always hated wow. I bought it on release, and still play it today.
I love MMORPGS, and at the moment, WoW is the best. Dosent mean its a good mmorpg, it just means that mmo devs havent cranked out much good yet.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
Every so often someone says that WoW is less challenging than other MMORPGs, but when drawn into a debate as to why, they're completely unable to explain themselves, and usually end up ignoring my excellent arguments to the contrary and insulting me. And they're usually just getting the word challenge mixed up with the phrase "time consumed".
WoW caters to time investment
Games that emphasize player skill - like FFXI will de-level you for sucking. In WoW, I can buy a toon from a farmer and own
In EVE- I buy a toon from a farmer and cant complete an Agent mission I can actually lose an important PVE quest giver. I take my ship to 0.0 I stand to lose a -lot- of cash
how can WoW be a challenging game when a Level 70 can click one button and blow away a newbie. I'd say Guild Wars emphasize more player skill
WoW a good game? Yes, Blizzard made it a good game they are blessed. But challenging? Lol, ya right challening to my schedule because just maybe I cant make the raid at 7pm on friday nights wit my guild (if I still played)
edit- now maybe raids are a bit challenging to new guilds but once they learn the steps its routine. but i always wondered if we had the high tier set i bet we'd have blown all that stuff wit ease on first try as long as we read the guides first
Yes, I've finally solved it. Like all games in this world, WoW will keep our interest for a certain period of time, then we will eventually become bored of it and move on. This is what has happened to WoW haters. They played the game for, say, 6 months - 2 years and got sick and tired of it, and they moved on. However, after this period of time, they seem to think the game sucks because they got bored of it, and they ignore the fact it held their interest for quite a long time. In short, WoW haters don't hate WoW, they just went through the game cycle and don't realize it.
sometimes you play a game and you realize it sucks you know. But in MMO- it takes so long to get to max cap it takes much longer to fully evaluate it.
This is why game reviews jsut arent that good normally. now look here at mmorpg.com. first review didnt they give it a 90? But then they got to the end game a few months later
LOL, they gave it like 80 or less.
good post yo. maybe you're right? but maybe not right for everyone
Because someone had to post this..... The Guild is kind of a dark comedy about WoW players. Check out all three episodes and count how many jokes would have worked just as well with EQ1 before WoW came out. The same personality types are drawn to both games, so the WoW hate can only be explained by its popularity.
I made a joke about pizza once. The same joke would have worked if I'd made it about a hamburger. Therefore, a pizza and a hamburger are the same thing. Their only difference is that pizza has two syllables instead of three, so people clearly hate three-syllable words.
I loved WoW for a long time. I, like many people here (and I think this is the key) however, did not play it as my first MMO. I played at launch. I got bored after reaching 60. Friends kept me in the game until recently when I finally decided enough is enough. It wasn't challenging. It was merely time consuming. After FFXI, however, that was a nice change of pace. I soon began to miss the depth of other games like Pre-CU SWG and freedom of character depth in FFXI. Couple that with the fact that devs can't possibly listen to and accommodate 8 million people and things begin to piss you off.
Another point worth mentioning is . . . well . . . I grew up to put it simply. College and all night beer binges are over. I can't raid 6 hours a day anymore and frankly the casual game is a HUGE letdown after experiencing the thrill of downing that raid boss for the first time.
I not only hate WoW as a game. I hate WoW because it became so extremely successful without having one ounce of innovation put into it. I am aware innovation is not always needed to make a good game, or a good anything for that matter. However, MMOs are unfortunately one of the most repetitive, time-consuming things you can do so I believe some innovation is needed, especially when an expansion is introduced, which was WoWs biggest upset IMO.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
People hate WoW because of the direction the developers went with the game. When it first came out, pvp was not instanced, and there were no giant raids. People played the game to get to high levels so they could gank the enemy. Then battlegrounds came and made pvp a grind and the raid instances created character progression through gear. Hence, WoW sucks.
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now! I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
People hate WoW because of the direction the developers went with the game. When it first came out, pvp was not instanced, and there were no giant raids. People played the game to get to high levels so they could gank the enemy. Then battlegrounds came and made pvp a grind and the raid instances created character progression through gear. Hence, WoW sucks.
People hate WoW because of the direction the developers went with the game. When it first came out, pvp was not instanced, and there were no giant raids. People played the game to get to high levels so they could gank the enemy. Then battlegrounds came and made pvp a grind and the raid instances created character progression through gear.
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Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
People hate WoW because of the direction the developers went with the game. When it first came out, pvp was not instanced, and there were no giant raids. People played the game to get to high levels so they could gank the enemy. Then battlegrounds came and made pvp a grind and the raid instances created character progression through gear. Hence, WoW sucks.
i didnt wanna go into detail but this is what happened to me.
I might have facts to prove this.
When WoW first came out- now wait for it....... PVP servers vastly outnumbered PVE servers.
But in time this all changed.
What was it? Well I am too lazy to spend my free time researching this but my gut feeling is that it was Battlegrounds. Battlegrounds, at first I was so excited. I was such a newb. I was thinking, "Now I dont have to look for anyone to fight"
but then I heard it was limited to 40 vs 40. I started getting worried. then the best rewards were in BG they announced. I got worried. They were pushing us into Instances like we were a nuisance
then I got in there. At some point I saw the honor decay. It was horrible. they did fix it. but I got so braindead. CTF? what the heck-----
Epic mobs in Battlegrounds? Guards? oh man it was not PVP. I was getting slayed by mobs more then anything
Zergs. omg i havent seen so much senseless zerging. nooblets standing out in the open fighting.
It just got worse and worse.
And the levle cap just gets higher and higher . What happened to you Blizzard you made Diablo (FFA + Looting)!!!! Starcraft (unally at anytime)!!! Warcraft 3! Blackthrone!!!! sure you made another hit but Warcraft is for sure not what Diablo was.
The reason people hate wow? maybe because the game is crap, oh wait that is to simpler and obvious a reason to be correct isn't it. lol
Why do people keep asking this question? big brother has millions of viewers, does that mean that big brother is a good show, no, It means theres alot of very boring easy pleased people in this world.
Because someone had to post this..... The Guild is kind of a dark comedy about WoW players. Check out all three episodes and count how many jokes would have worked just as well with EQ1 before WoW came out. The same personality types are drawn to both games, so the WoW hate can only be explained by its popularity.
I made a joke about pizza once. The same joke would have worked if I'd made it about a hamburger. Therefore, a pizza and a hamburger are the same thing. Their only difference is that pizza has two syllables instead of three, so people clearly hate three-syllable words.
Ah! but the jokes aren't really about the game, they're about the people playing the game. If the people playing WoW are exactly like the people that played EQ, what does that tell you about these two games?
WoW is not significantly different from any other MMORPG currently out there. In fact, you could say that it's popular BECAUSE it's like the bulk of the games that came before it. During the brief time that I played it, I got the very real impression that the developers calling the shots on WoW's design were big EQ fans. It's like they all sat around a table and asked how they could make EQ better and then immediately implemented it.
If WoW sucks, it's because EQ sucked. It's just that WoW sucks less than EQ did.
Again, the only reason people break out the pitchforks and torches at the mention of WoW is because it's popular.
1. Too many subscribers. (overpopularity and mass-appealing is the worst possible thing in the world) Compare it to other best selling things in music for example or in movies.
2. Everything in WoW was already in EQ1 or AC2 which I both played, so when I tried WoW I couldn't hold my interest, because everything I saw already.
3. Cartoony graphics.
4. Weak character customization. Talent trees are not sufficient to make the character I want to have, nor is the itemization.
5. There is no other end-game activity than item-farming. No matter if you grind reputation, pvp, raids ... its still all about items.
WoW has another bad feature to it. Once players have moved on from it, they'll end up playing games that feel like lame ripoffs, because they're all trying to copy WoW now.
Ah! but the jokes aren't really about the game, they're about the people playing the game. If the people playing WoW are exactly like the people that played EQ, what does that tell you about these two games?
The players aren't exactly alike. They have some things in common - that doesn't make them identical. As I pointed out, being able to make the same joke about two different things does not make the two things identical. A pizza isn't a cheeseburger, and (with some exceptions) Everquest players are not World of Warcraft players.
The games aren't identical, either. If WoW and EQ were identical, I'd be playing EQ right now, instead of WoW. I certainly like the EQ players more, but I like the gameplay of WoW better (of course, that would be completely impossible if the games and the players were identical). Or do you think I only play World of Warcraft because Everquest is more popular? What about people who hate Everquest? If it's identical to WoW, do they only hate it because it's less popular?
You're making some enormous leaps of logic to get from "the same jokes can be told about EQ players as well as WoW players" all the way to the obviously untrue "therefore, EQ and WoW are identical. Anyone who has played them both can tell you how they differ from each other. Those differences are enough to explain why some people prefer one game over the other.
I might have facts to prove this. When WoW first came out- now wait for it....... PVP servers vastly outnumbered PVE servers. But in time this all changed.
I dunno about NA servers... but the Euro server list shows some 60-70 pve servers (1 full, 14 high) and a whopping 130+ pvp servers... (15 full, 15high). Dunno what point u were trying to make
1. 'Endgame' is simply that it ends your will to play it: 1-60 hell even parts of 60-70 purly enjoyable.. Then you hit the brick wall of the item grind, you hammer the same stuff over and over again (most requiring X players do to) for what gear to hammer the next thing over and over, TBH by the time 'endgame' hit I went from playing 4-6 days a week to the weekend cuz that was when anyone was online to get things done.
The options between PVP and PVE are limited as well, you have to wait for PVE as you mostly require a large raiding group to do anything 'wrothwhile' and you have to AUE for PVP(really a FPS so not really MMORPG gameplay) where you could get the odd game where it's fun but thats all dependent again on wether A) Your in a compident group not headless chickens and not having facting a group while all teir X BG/PVE gear which took them 2 weeks of 24/7 zerging to get. That hits another point I dislike, theres no actal 'skill' in WoW all really you need to do is print off a guide to an instance and zerg it until it's done, theres truly nothing in the game which you can not prediict so your raid group just follows a set plan all the time, you've got 'skillz' in reading and following instrutions thats it...
2) Coupled with the above we come to the hell of WoW: it's community. We used to have a few leetest guilds within MMOs but now it's like applying for a job again you don't have a guild of friends you have a group of minions and one boss.. thats grouping these days hell no!!! Where the fun gone? The guild channels are also now the 'looking to raid' channels theres barely any communitaion between the guild unless it's looking for an instance to get their items in, your not there to make friends anymore your there to use these players to help get your items... IT DRIVES ME NUTS! I don't blame them for this, it's the whole item grind for endgame theres NOTHING to do in the game but collect items..
It would be nice for some ingame events now and again but what is their repeated holiday events which have been done WAY before and completely out of date now and plus the only 'good' events where one off to do what? Open instances woot! not.. and lets not forget it was certain communities that held the opening of AQ hostatge at one point, nice community that isn't it?
One thing I totally blame the community on is the Teir items = 'YOU MUST RESPECT ME I KNOW MORE THEN YOU' attitude I got when rerolling at times, I mean being told STFU noob you know nothing by your own guild 'mates' of lower rank to you as your not currently on your capped character of THEIR same class for disagreeing with them even tho you are actally right... sigh.. So whats WoW teaching ppl it's 'ok' to bully other players JUST because they have better gear? again sigh...
Oh I'm not going over the 'fanboi: WoW is the best and only 'good' game issue' because we all know what that is like: Basically TBH if you like the game THAT much shouldn't you be playing it more then trolling on forums all day to try and bring anothe game down?
Bitchslap the community to respect each other, and give far more options then grinding on mass for items then the game wouldn't be as 'hated' as people claim
There's only so far a genre can go, without becoming a totally different genre. Roleplaying games traditionally, have stuck to standards and I don't expect MMORPGs to change significantly. All of you praying for something radically different are probably better off hoping for more genres (other than RPG) to flourish online. Thus those unfortunate, vocal, bitter and jaded few who have become disillusioned with the genre, yet still hoping a new overhyped game will revive their lost love are doomed to be perpetually disappointed. And to forever curse WoW of course. Lets not forget that WoW has popularized the genre and given birth to hope for many developers, that they can make a lot of money. People should be thanking Blizzard for 1) creating an amazing game, or 2) if you don't like it, blowing the MMORPG genre wide open for new development. AoC and WAR probably would not exist without WoW.
Do you know why some people hate WoW? Because of comments like this. Because they are die hard old school UO fans, and have waited for years for a new game like UO(UO2, UOX or any other game which is more like UO, and not so much like EQ). Because they had hopes for WoW, a game from Blizzard(which have done some good games).
Because they were disappointed, that they just get another repetive, boring, EQstyle grinder. Because they fear that the complete mmorpg genre dumb down to a level of WoW/EQ, and they will never see another interesting refreshing game ever again. And all those, and a little bit more raised their hate. In one word.. it is dissapointment. And yes, sometimes i hate WoW, too. And almost all people, who hate wow are mmorpg veterans.. and the most of them ex UO players.
And what you said above is just bullshit. (sorry for the harsh word) But the mmorpg genre is much more than items, levels and WoW/EQ style games.. and UO proved this a lot years ago, before the MMORPG genre or EQ even existed. It is just what you expected from MMORPGs known from games like EQ or WoW.. but that is not the end of all things.. it is just the crap of the buttom of mmorpgs. IMHO.
I dislike the game because its mediocre, plain and simple. Theres nothing new or revolutionary about it, it takes tried and true elements and although it does a very good job in presentation, the fact remains that at the basic levels, WoW is a more casual version of EQ 1 with better graphics, so in my book that makes it mediocre. Thats why i dislike it, why i hate it is something completely diffrent..
I hate it because of the marketing, and the fall out it has caused in the genre as a whole; WoW proved that with enough marketing, hype, and presentation, a company could make a ton of money without really making anything new, just polishing off old ideas. My real problem with WoW is that it has been so successfull without really innovating, that its put the entire genre in a ditch for the past several years.
There was a time when every MMO tried something new; Some were gimmicky, yes, but they were always trying to find ways to set themselves apart from each other because the client base was alot smaller; WoW changed everything, and now it seems like EVERYONE else is fallowing suit. I can stroll down to the local software store now, and there are perhaps one or two titles that actually strive for something diffrent, then a whole barrage of games that look an awful lot like WoW but arn't (aka clones).
So its created a sink hole; If you don't like WoW, your out of luck, because no one is trying to make quality games that don't adhere to the WoW formula. If you played WoW and got bored of it, your in the same boat; The only other options are games that play, look, and feel very much like WoW all over again.
PC already lost alot of genre's because of MMO's in general; Adventure games and space flight shooters are long gone, all the PC has now are FPS games and MMO's, and consoles are starting to take the FPS throne away as we speak. All we have left are MMO's, and WoW really set back and progress for years. You won't understand unless you were playing PC games back in the mid to late 90's, when there were so many diffrent pc games on the shelf you didn't know what to buy, where the PC section of best buy was just as large as the console section. Now the PC section is nearly non-existant, a couple 8 foot sections, half of the games are MMO's, most of which are WoW or its clones. Its a chain of events thats really set into motion a sad state for PC gaming as a whole, and with microsofts vista stunt, PC gaming might become nothing more than a novelty, particularly if MMO's find their way to consoles.
PC always had the most potential of any plateform, but games like WoW are why its becoming nothing more than a business machine now; WoW might be fun for now, but what happens when your done with it? Buy another version of WoW with a diffrent name and graphics?
I dislike the game because its mediocre, plain and simple. Theres nothing new or revolutionary about it, it takes tried and true elements and although it does a very good job in presentation, the fact remains that at the basic levels, WoW is a more casual version of EQ 1 with better graphics, so in my book that makes it mediocre. Thats why i dislike it, why i hate it is something completely diffrent..
I hate it because of the marketing, and the fall out it has caused in the genre as a whole; WoW proved that with enough marketing, hype, and presentation, a company could make a ton of money without really making anything new, just polishing off old ideas. My real problem with WoW is that it has been so successfull without really innovating, that its put the entire genre in a ditch for the past several years.
There was a time when every MMO tried something new; Some were gimmicky, yes, but they were always trying to find ways to set themselves apart from each other because the client base was alot smaller; WoW changed everything, and now it seems like EVERYONE else is fallowing suit. I can stroll down to the local software store now, and there are perhaps one or two titles that actually strive for something diffrent, then a whole barrage of games that look an awful lot like WoW but arn't (aka clones).
So its created a sink hole; If you don't like WoW, your out of luck, because no one is trying to make quality games that don't adhere to the WoW formula. If you played WoW and got bored of it, your in the same boat; The only other options are games that play, look, and feel very much like WoW all over again. PC already lost alot of genre's because of MMO's in general; Adventure games and space flight shooters are long gone, all the PC has now are FPS games and MMO's, and consoles are starting to take the FPS throne away as we speak. All we have left are MMO's, and WoW really set back and progress for years. You won't understand unless you were playing PC games back in the mid to late 90's, when there were so many diffrent pc games on the shelf you didn't know what to buy, where the PC section of best buy was just as large as the console section. Now the PC section is nearly non-existant, a couple 8 foot sections, half of the games are MMO's, most of which are WoW or its clones. Its a chain of events thats really set into motion a sad state for PC gaming as a whole, and with microsofts vista stunt, PC gaming might become nothing more than a novelty, particularly if MMO's find their way to consoles.
PC always had the most potential of any plateform, but games like WoW are why its becoming nothing more than a business machine now; WoW might be fun for now, but what happens when your done with it? Buy another version of WoW with a diffrent name and graphics?
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Before diablo for example, there were an actual RPG games that allowed you to build your character motivations, had 5-6 different quest possible solutions etc. We won't see any more Fallout/Arcanum-type games, all we will see are games like Oblivion or Neverwinter Nights crap.
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I read garbage like the post quoted below and it makes me smile. Been playing every mmo out there, including free to play, podcast on them, blog on them, for over 10 years and I still come back to WoW. Its a great game with far less faults then any other game out there. What makes me even happier is the upcoming release of games like Warhammer, simply due to the fact that people like the one who posted the quoted post will leave to play them.
10 Reasons to "dislike" WoW:
1) Lack of challenge
2) Community
3) Grind
4) Blizzard selling out the Warcraft Storyline
5) Unfinished Azeroth (Gilneas, Uldum, Azhara, no flying mounts due to bad landscaping, unfinished questlines, missing zones that appear on the map, Hyahl, etc.)
6) you're a Holy Priest
7) Blizzard obviously being overwhelmed when the game released but never admitting it
8) 2 years for the first expansion
9) Waiting 6+ hours for a GM
10) (raiding) content in TBC never EVER tested by anyone before release
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No I played it without having to bang my head on my keyboard even once. As for lack of challenge I played all through open Beta and only died twice that I recall because of lag. The rest of the time I didn't even have any close calls. That is how I define lack of challenge. Oh and did you think up that witty retort yourself or did some of your WoW buddies help you out. I do have to say that it is typical of the type of thing I would expect from someone in the WoW community........very childish.
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Ive always hated wow. I bought it on release, and still play it today.
I love MMORPGS, and at the moment, WoW is the best. Dosent mean its a good mmorpg, it just means that mmo devs havent cranked out much good yet.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
WoW caters to time investment
Games that emphasize player skill - like FFXI will de-level you for sucking. In WoW, I can buy a toon from a farmer and own
In EVE- I buy a toon from a farmer and cant complete an Agent mission I can actually lose an important PVE quest giver. I take my ship to 0.0 I stand to lose a -lot- of cash
how can WoW be a challenging game when a Level 70 can click one button and blow away a newbie. I'd say Guild Wars emphasize more player skill
WoW a good game? Yes, Blizzard made it a good game they are blessed. But challenging? Lol, ya right challening to my schedule because just maybe I cant make the raid at 7pm on friday nights wit my guild (if I still played)
edit- now maybe raids are a bit challenging to new guilds but once they learn the steps its routine. but i always wondered if we had the high tier set i bet we'd have blown all that stuff wit ease on first try as long as we read the guides first
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sometimes you play a game and you realize it sucks you know. But in MMO- it takes so long to get to max cap it takes much longer to fully evaluate it.
This is why game reviews jsut arent that good normally. now look here at mmorpg.com. first review didnt they give it a 90? But then they got to the end game a few months later
LOL, they gave it like 80 or less.
good post yo. maybe you're right? but maybe not right for everyone
I made a joke about pizza once. The same joke would have worked if I'd made it about a hamburger. Therefore, a pizza and a hamburger are the same thing. Their only difference is that pizza has two syllables instead of three, so people clearly hate three-syllable words.
I loved WoW for a long time. I, like many people here (and I think this is the key) however, did not play it as my first MMO. I played at launch. I got bored after reaching 60. Friends kept me in the game until recently when I finally decided enough is enough. It wasn't challenging. It was merely time consuming. After FFXI, however, that was a nice change of pace. I soon began to miss the depth of other games like Pre-CU SWG and freedom of character depth in FFXI. Couple that with the fact that devs can't possibly listen to and accommodate 8 million people and things begin to piss you off.
Another point worth mentioning is . . . well . . . I grew up to put it simply. College and all night beer binges are over. I can't raid 6 hours a day anymore and frankly the casual game is a HUGE letdown after experiencing the thrill of downing that raid boss for the first time.
I not only hate WoW as a game. I hate WoW because it became so extremely successful without having one ounce of innovation put into it. I am aware innovation is not always needed to make a good game, or a good anything for that matter. However, MMOs are unfortunately one of the most repetitive, time-consuming things you can do so I believe some innovation is needed, especially when an expansion is introduced, which was WoWs biggest upset IMO.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
There are a few reasons for the intense dislike or hate of WoW. But I believe the main reason is jealousy.
People hate WoW because of the direction the developers went with the game. When it first came out, pvp was not instanced, and there were no giant raids. People played the game to get to high levels so they could gank the enemy. Then battlegrounds came and made pvp a grind and the raid instances created character progression through gear. Hence, WoW sucks.
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I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
instanced pvp and giant raids?? i love this
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Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
I might have facts to prove this.
When WoW first came out- now wait for it....... PVP servers vastly outnumbered PVE servers.
But in time this all changed.
What was it? Well I am too lazy to spend my free time researching this but my gut feeling is that it was Battlegrounds. Battlegrounds, at first I was so excited. I was such a newb. I was thinking, "Now I dont have to look for anyone to fight"
but then I heard it was limited to 40 vs 40. I started getting worried. then the best rewards were in BG they announced. I got worried. They were pushing us into Instances like we were a nuisance
then I got in there. At some point I saw the honor decay. It was horrible. they did fix it. but I got so braindead. CTF? what the heck-----
Epic mobs in Battlegrounds? Guards? oh man it was not PVP. I was getting slayed by mobs more then anything
Zergs. omg i havent seen so much senseless zerging. nooblets standing out in the open fighting.
It just got worse and worse.
And the levle cap just gets higher and higher . What happened to you Blizzard you made Diablo (FFA + Looting)!!!! Starcraft (unally at anytime)!!! Warcraft 3! Blackthrone!!!! sure you made another hit but Warcraft is for sure not what Diablo was.
The reason people hate wow? maybe because the game is crap, oh wait that is to simpler and obvious a reason to be correct isn't it. lol
Why do people keep asking this question? big brother has millions of viewers, does that mean that big brother is a good show, no, It means theres alot of very boring easy pleased people in this world.
I made a joke about pizza once. The same joke would have worked if I'd made it about a hamburger. Therefore, a pizza and a hamburger are the same thing. Their only difference is that pizza has two syllables instead of three, so people clearly hate three-syllable words.
Ah! but the jokes aren't really about the game, they're about the people playing the game. If the people playing WoW are exactly like the people that played EQ, what does that tell you about these two games?
WoW is not significantly different from any other MMORPG currently out there. In fact, you could say that it's popular BECAUSE it's like the bulk of the games that came before it. During the brief time that I played it, I got the very real impression that the developers calling the shots on WoW's design were big EQ fans. It's like they all sat around a table and asked how they could make EQ better and then immediately implemented it.
If WoW sucks, it's because EQ sucked. It's just that WoW sucks less than EQ did.
Again, the only reason people break out the pitchforks and torches at the mention of WoW is because it's popular.
1. Too many subscribers. (overpopularity and mass-appealing is the worst possible thing in the world) Compare it to other best selling things in music for example or in movies.
2. Everything in WoW was already in EQ1 or AC2 which I both played, so when I tried WoW I couldn't hold my interest, because everything I saw already.
3. Cartoony graphics.
4. Weak character customization. Talent trees are not sufficient to make the character I want to have, nor is the itemization.
5. There is no other end-game activity than item-farming. No matter if you grind reputation, pvp, raids ... its still all about items.
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WoW has another bad feature to it. Once players have moved on from it, they'll end up playing games that feel like lame ripoffs, because they're all trying to copy WoW now.
The players aren't exactly alike. They have some things in common - that doesn't make them identical. As I pointed out, being able to make the same joke about two different things does not make the two things identical. A pizza isn't a cheeseburger, and (with some exceptions) Everquest players are not World of Warcraft players.The games aren't identical, either. If WoW and EQ were identical, I'd be playing EQ right now, instead of WoW. I certainly like the EQ players more, but I like the gameplay of WoW better (of course, that would be completely impossible if the games and the players were identical). Or do you think I only play World of Warcraft because Everquest is more popular? What about people who hate Everquest? If it's identical to WoW, do they only hate it because it's less popular?
You're making some enormous leaps of logic to get from "the same jokes can be told about EQ players as well as WoW players" all the way to the obviously untrue "therefore, EQ and WoW are identical. Anyone who has played them both can tell you how they differ from each other. Those differences are enough to explain why some people prefer one game over the other.
I play it and I like it thats all that matters to me
if you dont < shrugs > who gives a rats arse
I dunno about NA servers... but the Euro server list shows some 60-70 pve servers (1 full, 14 high) and a whopping 130+ pvp servers... (15 full, 15high). Dunno what point u were trying to make
2 reasons why I dislike WoW
1. 'Endgame' is simply that it ends your will to play it: 1-60 hell even parts of 60-70 purly enjoyable.. Then you hit the brick wall of the item grind, you hammer the same stuff over and over again (most requiring X players do to) for what gear to hammer the next thing over and over, TBH by the time 'endgame' hit I went from playing 4-6 days a week to the weekend cuz that was when anyone was online to get things done.
The options between PVP and PVE are limited as well, you have to wait for PVE as you mostly require a large raiding group to do anything 'wrothwhile' and you have to AUE for PVP(really a FPS so not really MMORPG gameplay) where you could get the odd game where it's fun but thats all dependent again on wether A) Your in a compident group not headless chickens and
not having facting a group while all teir X BG/PVE gear which took them 2 weeks of 24/7 zerging to get. That hits another point I dislike, theres no actal 'skill' in WoW all really you need to do is print off a guide to an instance and zerg it until it's done, theres truly nothing in the game which you can not prediict so your raid group just follows a set plan all the time, you've got 'skillz' in reading and following instrutions thats it...
2) Coupled with the above we come to the hell of WoW: it's community. We used to have a few leetest guilds within MMOs but now it's like applying for a job again you don't have a guild of friends you have a group of minions and one boss.. thats grouping these days hell no!!! Where the fun gone? The guild channels are also now the 'looking to raid' channels theres barely any communitaion between the guild unless it's looking for an instance to get their items in, your not there to make friends anymore your there to use these players to help get your items... IT DRIVES ME NUTS! I don't blame them for this, it's the whole item grind for endgame theres NOTHING to do in the game but collect items..
It would be nice for some ingame events now and again but what is their repeated holiday events which have been done WAY before and completely out of date now and plus the only 'good' events where one off to do what? Open instances woot! not.. and lets not forget it was certain communities that held the opening of AQ hostatge at one point, nice community that isn't it?
One thing I totally blame the community on is the Teir items = 'YOU MUST RESPECT ME I KNOW MORE THEN YOU' attitude I got when rerolling at times, I mean being told STFU noob you know nothing by your own guild 'mates' of lower rank to you as your not currently on your capped character of THEIR same class for disagreeing with them even tho you are actally right... sigh.. So whats WoW teaching ppl it's 'ok' to bully other players JUST because they have better gear? again sigh...
Oh I'm not going over the 'fanboi: WoW is the best and only 'good' game issue' because we all know what that is like: Basically TBH if you like the game THAT much shouldn't you be playing it more then trolling on forums all day to try and bring anothe game down?
Bitchslap the community to respect each other, and give far more options then grinding on mass for items then the game wouldn't be as 'hated' as people claim
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
Do you know why some people hate WoW? Because of comments like this. Because they are die hard old school UO fans, and have waited for years for a new game like UO(UO2, UOX or any other game which is more like UO, and not so much like EQ). Because they had hopes for WoW, a game from Blizzard(which have done some good games).
Because they were disappointed, that they just get another repetive, boring, EQstyle grinder. Because they fear that the complete mmorpg genre dumb down to a level of WoW/EQ, and they will never see another interesting refreshing game ever again. And all those, and a little bit more raised their hate. In one word.. it is dissapointment. And yes, sometimes i hate WoW, too. And almost all people, who hate wow are mmorpg veterans.. and the most of them ex UO players.
And what you said above is just bullshit. (sorry for the harsh word) But the mmorpg genre is much more than items, levels and WoW/EQ style games.. and UO proved this a lot years ago, before the MMORPG genre or EQ even existed. It is just what you expected from MMORPGs known from games like EQ or WoW.. but that is not the end of all things.. it is just the crap of the buttom of mmorpgs. IMHO.
I dislike the game because its mediocre, plain and simple. Theres nothing new or revolutionary about it, it takes tried and true elements and although it does a very good job in presentation, the fact remains that at the basic levels, WoW is a more casual version of EQ 1 with better graphics, so in my book that makes it mediocre. Thats why i dislike it, why i hate it is something completely diffrent..
I hate it because of the marketing, and the fall out it has caused in the genre as a whole; WoW proved that with enough marketing, hype, and presentation, a company could make a ton of money without really making anything new, just polishing off old ideas. My real problem with WoW is that it has been so successfull without really innovating, that its put the entire genre in a ditch for the past several years.
There was a time when every MMO tried something new; Some were gimmicky, yes, but they were always trying to find ways to set themselves apart from each other because the client base was alot smaller; WoW changed everything, and now it seems like EVERYONE else is fallowing suit. I can stroll down to the local software store now, and there are perhaps one or two titles that actually strive for something diffrent, then a whole barrage of games that look an awful lot like WoW but arn't (aka clones).
So its created a sink hole; If you don't like WoW, your out of luck, because no one is trying to make quality games that don't adhere to the WoW formula. If you played WoW and got bored of it, your in the same boat; The only other options are games that play, look, and feel very much like WoW all over again.
PC already lost alot of genre's because of MMO's in general; Adventure games and space flight shooters are long gone, all the PC has now are FPS games and MMO's, and consoles are starting to take the FPS throne away as we speak. All we have left are MMO's, and WoW really set back and progress for years. You won't understand unless you were playing PC games back in the mid to late 90's, when there were so many diffrent pc games on the shelf you didn't know what to buy, where the PC section of best buy was just as large as the console section. Now the PC section is nearly non-existant, a couple 8 foot sections, half of the games are MMO's, most of which are WoW or its clones. Its a chain of events thats really set into motion a sad state for PC gaming as a whole, and with microsofts vista stunt, PC gaming might become nothing more than a novelty, particularly if MMO's find their way to consoles.
PC always had the most potential of any plateform, but games like WoW are why its becoming nothing more than a business machine now; WoW might be fun for now, but what happens when your done with it? Buy another version of WoW with a diffrent name and graphics?
Before diablo for example, there were an actual RPG games that allowed you to build your character motivations, had 5-6 different quest possible solutions etc. We won't see any more Fallout/Arcanum-type games, all we will see are games like Oblivion or Neverwinter Nights crap.
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