well...if it turned out that Bioware was making a new Star wars MMO and it was set in the KOTOR universe then they better work damn hard at making it appeal to me. i hate pvp and no doubt jedi will own that part of the game but if the game is half decent at everything else (crafting , the landscape, housing, skills (ohhh it better be a sandbox or else ) and combat)) then it will be a decent game.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
LOL...no offense Solaris, but you clearly like KOTOR a lot...and it's clouding your judgement. The number of people who even know what KOTOR is doesn't touch the fanbase for Harry Potter.
Stating KOTOR would be the "BIGGEST THING EVER" is just ridiculous.
MAn i like Kotor a lot BUT really it is nothing about it, Just let me give some examples:
Matrix? a huge fan potentiel even more than star wars stunning movies, and the subject directly related with Computer and internet BUT the MMO ? just a fiasco. Nobody played it. Look at LOTRO yeah playing but where is all LOTR fans all over the world?
and then look at WoW? over 6 million subscribers?
The first things about gaming and MMO is you MUST proove yourself AS a PC GAME. Everybody knows what Blizzard means in gaming world, Everybody. And we all seeing the Kingdom of WoW.They say "fanbois under-14 kids game" "noobs" etc, all are shit. This game is Succesful because IT proove itself as a Game and Blizzard proove himself as a GAMING company. There is not any importance what your farchandise is, NOT the fanbois watching the movie or reading the book are the First target of a MMO. In the End , Gamers will rule this galaxy. YOU SHOULD proove yourself, for success.
KOTOR is the one of the best games ever. Nobody can say anything against it. over 3 million copies sold (and i dont count the illegal copies as in my country and in asia and middle-east, i am saying it because you cant imagine how many people playing these without givin any money)
And Bioware. Should i say anything about them? come on man...........i mean come on.
harrypoter, starwarz, lordof therngs, matrix, lionking etc. means NOTHING. The gaming history proved it many many many times. we saw it at WoW we saw it on Pre-CU and NGE, we saw it on Matrix online.
LOL...no offense Solaris, but you clearly like KOTOR a lot...and it's clouding your judgement. The number of people who even know what KOTOR is doesn't touch the fanbase for Harry Potter.
Stating KOTOR would be the "BIGGEST THING EVER" is just ridiculous.
MAn i like Kotor a lot BUT really it is nothing about it, Just let me give some examples:
Matrix? a huge fan potentiel even more than star wars stunning movies, and the subject directly related with Computer and internet BUT the MMO ? just a fiasco. Nobody played it. Look at LOTRO yeah playing but where is all LOTR fans all over the world?
and then look at WoW? over 6 million subscribers?
The first things about gaming and MMO is you MUST proove yourself AS a PC GAME. Everybody knows what Blizzard means in gaming world, Everybody. And we all seeing the Kingdom of WoW.They say "fanbois under-14 kids game" "noobs" etc, all are shit. This game is Succesful because IT proove itself as a Game and Blizzard proove himself as a GAMING company. There is not any importance what your farchandise is, NOT the fanbois watching the movie or reading the book are the First target of a MMO. In the End , Gamers will rule this galaxy. YOU SHOULD proove yourself, for success.
KOTOR is the one of the best games ever. Nobody can say anything against it. over 3 million copies sold (and i dont count the illegal copies as in my country and in asia and middle-east, i am saying it because you cant imagine how many people playing these without givin any money)
And Bioware. Should i say anything about them? come on man...........i mean come on.
harrypoter, starwarz, lordof therngs, matrix, lionking etc. means NOTHING. The gaming history proved it many many many times. we saw it at WoW we saw it on Pre-CU and NGE, we saw it on Matrix online.
ps: sorry for grammar
WoW was ONLY successful because of the fanbase with the RTS and the people wanting a fantasy type MMO that was EASY to understand so there for WoW didnt bring anything new to the table its a cookie cutter MMO based off of a franchise that did extremely well. The Star Wars Fanbase is based off of the hype at the time mostly. yes there are a few of us out there that actually knows what happens to boba fett, han, liea, and luke later on but how many of the vast majority of people that call themselves "star wars fans" actually pay attention to stuff like that? That fact is that star wars is only famous because of the jedi hype, which is really sad because there is alot more but that doesnt stop the fanbase from going OMG JEDI! and start posting fake articles about a JEDI game. its all hype. there is nothing special about it and it has been done before. so if EA had insider information about BioWare's MMO, Which they did other wise they wouldnt have bought it, they realize that it has something special planned and something never seen before other wise they wouldnt have spent nearly a BIL on the deal to obtain BioWare, Also BioWare has STATED that they dislike working with LA and in fact KOTOR 2 WAS released by obsidian NOT BioWare meaning that BioWare no longer had dealings with LA and wont ever again now that they are in the hands of EA. This Mystery MMO they have planned is just that and I BET we can expect it will be something worth while if EA is staking their money on it. BUT it wont be KOTOR. Also Halo 3 Smoked KOTOR in sells having over 3 Mil, PRE-ORDERS but I dont see any post about a Halo MMO because it was successful?
First of all, wow at yet another rumor based thread.
More importantly though, of all the reasons why Bioware's MMO wouldn't be a Star Wars MMO...I'm sorry, but as someone with 20 years in the business world I fail to see why "they wouldn't want two Star Wars MMO's"
they don't want to compete with....themselves? All the people may leave SWG...and join their other MMO? LucasArts has absolutely nothing to lose from having 1 MMO or 10 MMO's based on their license if there's a finite number of SW MMO customers...guess what...they're still playing their game.
wtf part of my thread is rumor? if nothing else im trying to debunk all the rumors. and what MMO has ever had two of the same kind out running from two different companies? like i said think before you guys open your mouths.
eq, eq2, there are like 4 different ryl's, and ac1, ac2,
First of all, wow at yet another rumor based thread.
More importantly though, of all the reasons why Bioware's MMO wouldn't be a Star Wars MMO...I'm sorry, but as someone with 20 years in the business world I fail to see why "they wouldn't want two Star Wars MMO's"
they don't want to compete with....themselves? All the people may leave SWG...and join their other MMO? LucasArts has absolutely nothing to lose from having 1 MMO or 10 MMO's based on their license if there's a finite number of SW MMO customers...guess what...they're still playing their game.
wtf part of my thread is rumor? if nothing else im trying to debunk all the rumors. and what MMO has ever had two of the same kind out running from two different companies? like i said think before you guys open your mouths.
eq, eq2, there are like 4 different ryl's, and ac1, ac2,
Eq, eq 2 = SOE not eq= SOE eq2=EA dont even know what RYL's are never heard of them, and 3rd READ the rest of the thread before posting on something that was mentioned a while ago A LOT has happened since then on this thread and people are going back to the beginning when the arguements were just getting started and alot of this stuff people are reposting has been stated before.
LOL...no offense Solaris, but you clearly like KOTOR a lot...and it's clouding your judgement. The number of people who even know what KOTOR is doesn't touch the fanbase for Harry Potter.
Stating KOTOR would be the "BIGGEST THING EVER" is just ridiculous.
MAn i like Kotor a lot BUT really it is nothing about it, Just let me give some examples:
Matrix? a huge fan potentiel even more than star wars stunning movies, and the subject directly related with Computer and internet BUT the MMO ? just a fiasco. Nobody played it. Look at LOTRO yeah playing but where is all LOTR fans all over the world?
and then look at WoW? over 6 million subscribers?
The first things about gaming and MMO is you MUST proove yourself AS a PC GAME. Everybody knows what Blizzard means in gaming world, Everybody. And we all seeing the Kingdom of WoW.They say "fanbois under-14 kids game" "noobs" etc, all are shit. This game is Succesful because IT proove itself as a Game and Blizzard proove himself as a GAMING company. There is not any importance what your farchandise is, NOT the fanbois watching the movie or reading the book are the First target of a MMO. In the End , Gamers will rule this galaxy. YOU SHOULD proove yourself, for success.
KOTOR is the one of the best games ever. Nobody can say anything against it. over 3 million copies sold (and i dont count the illegal copies as in my country and in asia and middle-east, i am saying it because you cant imagine how many people playing these without givin any money)
And Bioware. Should i say anything about them? come on man...........i mean come on.
harrypoter, starwarz, lordof therngs, matrix, lionking etc. means NOTHING. The gaming history proved it many many many times. we saw it at WoW we saw it on Pre-CU and NGE, we saw it on Matrix online.
ps: sorry for grammar
WoW was ONLY successful because of the fanbase with the RTS and the people wanting a fantasy type MMO that was EASY to understand so there for WoW didnt bring anything new to the table its a cookie cutter MMO based off of a franchise that did extremely well.It is not important to bring anything new. this game has a style like it or not. this game and Blizzard is behind it. and over 6 million subscribers and it is a succesfull game. because of that there are also demand for a Starcraft MMO and believe me there will be one.. The Star Wars Fanbase is based off of the hype at the time mostly. yes there are a few of us out there that actually knows what happens to boba fett, han, liea, and luke later on but how many of the vast majority of people that call themselves "star wars fans" actually pay attention to stuff like that? That fact is that star wars is only famous because of the jedi hype, which is really sad because there is alot more but that doesnt stop the fanbase from going OMG JEDI! and start posting fake articles about a JEDI game. its all hype. there is nothing special about it and it has been done before. But there is Not so much sophisticated fan base who understand the philosophy in the mervhandise or know lots of thing about what he fan of . IF it is a Harry Potter MMO then you will face the same problems , there will be lots of HarryPotta1991 kids runnin around. It is not about star wars , just being a Fan, including such a problem of being young, being-non adult and so being hype . In all MMOs , and real life also, you will socialize with the people like you, the people fit your age and mentality this is not about star wars. so if EA had insider information about BioWare's MMO, Which they did other wise they wouldnt have bought it, they realize that it has something special planned and something never seen before other wise they wouldnt have spent nearly a BIL on the deal to obtain BioWare, Also BioWare has STATED that they dislike working with LA and in fact KOTOR 2 WAS released by obsidian NOT BioWare meaning that BioWare no longer had dealings with LA and wont ever again now that they are in the hands of EA. This Mystery MMO they have planned is just that and I BET we can expect it will be something worth while if EA is staking their money on it. BUT it wont be KOTOR. Also Halo 3 Smoked KOTOR in sells having over 3 Mil, PRE-ORDERS but I dont see any post about a Halo MMO because it was successful? Surely EA talked about Bioware and learned what the MMO s IP is and all we know this amount of money given mostly because of this MMO, and it has something worth 800+millions$ Why not is this a Star Wars licence worth so much money? As i said, Yes , cbeing competitor EA and LA and wouldnt sell any licence to each other making sense, but this game started 2 years ago man, there is no way to being known the IP by EA and planning 2 years after to buy it.
I am believing KOTOR MMO and I BET on it . Just WE will see.
LOL...no offense Solaris, but you clearly like KOTOR a lot...and it's clouding your judgement. The number of people who even know what KOTOR is doesn't touch the fanbase for Harry Potter.
Stating KOTOR would be the "BIGGEST THING EVER" is just ridiculous.
MAn i like Kotor a lot BUT really it is nothing about it, Just let me give some examples:
Matrix? a huge fan potentiel even more than star wars stunning movies, and the subject directly related with Computer and internet BUT the MMO ? just a fiasco. Nobody played it. Look at LOTRO yeah playing but where is all LOTR fans all over the world?
and then look at WoW? over 6 million subscribers?
The first things about gaming and MMO is you MUST proove yourself AS a PC GAME. Everybody knows what Blizzard means in gaming world, Everybody. And we all seeing the Kingdom of WoW.They say "fanbois under-14 kids game" "noobs" etc, all are shit. This game is Succesful because IT proove itself as a Game and Blizzard proove himself as a GAMING company. There is not any importance what your farchandise is, NOT the fanbois watching the movie or reading the book are the First target of a MMO. In the End , Gamers will rule this galaxy. YOU SHOULD proove yourself, for success.
KOTOR is the one of the best games ever. Nobody can say anything against it. over 3 million copies sold (and i dont count the illegal copies as in my country and in asia and middle-east, i am saying it because you cant imagine how many people playing these without givin any money)
And Bioware. Should i say anything about them? come on man...........i mean come on.
harrypoter, starwarz, lordof therngs, matrix, lionking etc. means NOTHING. The gaming history proved it many many many times. we saw it at WoW we saw it on Pre-CU and NGE, we saw it on Matrix online.
ps: sorry for grammar
WoW was ONLY successful because of the fanbase with the RTS and the people wanting a fantasy type MMO that was EASY to understand so there for WoW didnt bring anything new to the table its a cookie cutter MMO based off of a franchise that did extremely well.It is not important to bring anything new. this game has a style like it or not. this game and Blizzard is behind it. and over 6 million subscribers. The Star Wars Fanbase is based off of the hype at the time mostly. yes there are a few of us out there that actually knows what happens to boba fett, han, liea, and luke later on but how many of the vast majority of people that call themselves "star wars fans" actually pay attention to stuff like that? That fact is that star wars is only famous because of the jedi hype, which is really sad because there is alot more but that doesnt stop the fanbase from going OMG JEDI! and start posting fake articles about a JEDI game. its all hype. there is nothing special about it and it has been done before. But there is Not so much sophisticated fan base who understand the philosophy in the mervhandise or know lots of thing about what he fan of . IF it is a Harry Potter MMO then you will face the same problems , there will be lots of HarryPotta1991 kids runnin around. It is not about star wars , just being a Fan, including such a problem of being young, being-non adult and so being hype . In all MMOs , and real life also, you will socialize with the people like you, the people fit your age and mentality this is not about star wars. so if EA had insider information about BioWare's MMO, Which they did other wise they wouldnt have bought it, they realize that it has something special planned and something never seen before other wise they wouldnt have spent nearly a BIL on the deal to obtain BioWare, Also BioWare has STATED that they dislike working with LA and in fact KOTOR 2 WAS released by obsidian NOT BioWare meaning that BioWare no longer had dealings with LA and wont ever again now that they are in the hands of EA. This Mystery MMO they have planned is just that and I BET we can expect it will be something worth while if EA is staking their money on it. BUT it wont be KOTOR. Also Halo 3 Smoked KOTOR in sells having over 3 Mil, PRE-ORDERS but I dont see any post about a Halo MMO because it was successful?
the thing with the harry potter fan base is no matter how young they are they have more than likely read or have been read the books so they understand and harry potter is fairly new so there for it hasnt accumulated the amount of Lore Star Wars has. Star Wars has been around for nearly 40 years thats an impressive fan base and not one to be taken lightly regardless of Lucas's original intent Star Wars has gone far past the force and into other aspects so there fore making a game solely about jedi is a bad idea and would not have been a smart move by EA. And about the not bringing anything new, and leaving something behind, IF you dont bring anything new...what do you leave behind? nothing really and thats what WoW's legacy is ultimately if you look at it down the long run and Im not saying that it wasnt a good game because it kept my interest for over 2 years it had its aspects but I realized after Nax came out that it was a dead end game I got a vision if you will of their future and saw that regardless of bosses and the different lay out of the dungeons I will be increasingly fighting more and more mobs to get to bosses of increasing difficultly in the hopes of earning enough DKP to outbid the other 3 million rogues that played the game so I got burnt out and realized that style of game play wasnt for me Others may like it but when they Leave WoW in the future they would only remember a few friends they stuck with through the 20+ guilds they went to and would have wasted all that time not really doing anything special because the game has brought nothing new to the table.
Surely EA talked about Bioware and learned what the MMO s IP is and all we know this amount of money given mostly because of this MMO, and it has something worth 800+millions$ Why not is this a Star Wars licence worth so much money? As i said, Yes , cbeing competitor EA and LA and wouldnt sell any licence to each other making sense, but this game started 2 years ago man, there is no way to being known the IP by EA and planning 2 years after to buy it.
I am believing KOTOR MMO and I BET on it . Just WE will see.
yea thats all we can do is See but its all speculation and until people get that through their heads I have a very funny feeling everyone will be disappointed. You can speculate all you want, but Im just trying to help stop the same rumoress thread that went around every other week saying confirmed. And there maybe a KOTOR MMO in the works but I will bet you actual money its not EA/BioWare producing it.
SOE in no way shape or form locked on to any kind of rights to the IP that is Star Wars, MMO or not. If they did? I'd be astonished.
SOE decided to hook their wagon to LA to publish a guaranteed win, and although they blew it, I'm quite sure LA didn't provide them any kind of provisional guarantees of what else they'd do with their IP in the future.
Well at the time, there were three companies at a joint effort work with SWG; although Verant would become part of SOE. Although looking things over, this was/is a partnership rather than there being a separation of a licensee and a licensor. With my statement of exclusive or nonexclusive rights did not imply "forever," I stated a given amount of years.
Something though to add, though for what it is worth, most likely nothing now, is that one statement more than a year ago...
"LucasArts and SOE have no plans to 'sunset' Star Wars Galaxies. The two companies will continue to work together as partners in making Star Wars Galaxies the ultimate online Star Wars experience. As has been announced several times previously, LucasArts and SOE are 100% committed and determined to continue to support Star Wars Galaxies together, especially with our renewed focus on improving the game for existing players through robust publish and content offerings in 2006."
And that is why...
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First of all, just because LA and SOE claim they have no plans to 'sunset' SWG doesn't mean it won't happen. If you honestly believe what they say to be 100% true, you have learned nothing of how they do business.
Speaking of business, I am appalled people try to claim they know what's going on because they have experience in the field. First of all, the only people who really know what is going on are the people over at BioWare (and possibly LA).
Let me explain in a simple way how the licensing of a Star Wars MMO works:
LA did not make SWG, SOE did. SOE licensed the IP. This means LA gave SOE exclusive rights to a Star Wars MMO. SOE, being a different company than LA, would be pretty mad if LA allowed another Star Wars MMO to hit the market. This is why they obtained exclusive rights. It's just poor business for the companies actually making the games to have to compete with other companies making games with the same IP.
To the people who named games like EQ, EQ2, AC, AC2, L1, L2 as games of the same IP that are co-existent on the market, you fail to realize that those are sequels made by the same companies. There is no way another Everquest game would be made by a new company (not SOE) while the current games are out.
Basically, there can only be one Star Wars MMO unless the developers agree to compete against each other, which is utterly stupid and bad for business (of the individual company).
I know many of you are upset about speculation posts, but the real catalyst was the quote from the market analyst (you can find a link to it in another thread). Tell him to shut it and not your fellow Star Wars MMO lovers.
I whole heartedly support a new Star Wars MMO as well as whole heartedly agree that Jedi, if implemented resembling the movies, cannot be in an MMO. Game on and have a good day.
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Lets all be clear about one thing. SOE has made some shocking decisions in the past and make no mistake about it; these include business decisions as well as development decisions. They have a track record for both.
However, the big issue here is that although SOE are a powerfull player in the mmo market, they are customers to a much larger fish in regards to the licence owner; LA.
If there is something star wars to play then people will play it, and by the droves. Its one of the most iconic licences in the world (if not the most profitable) and fans will play it just because it says you can see lightsabers!
LA know this, and SOE certainly do so who do you think had the biggest edge when thrashing out the contact? LA had all the cards, SOE was simply the only truly 'famous' mmo development studio back then so they were naturally the best choice. LA have repeatedly made calls on the project, and if certain 'inside' knowledge is to be believed from past employees etc then LA called the shots all the time and really stepped in once the hate calls started to flow LAs way for an apalling game.
There have been all sorts of comments over the years but one which i remember clearly was the one about the terms retender for the SW licence. Basically, after 2 years the contract goes up for review and LA look at exactly what is going on. Just about the same time that we saw the CU, the Jedi, The NGE. Its a simply case of "of shit, yes we messed up, here is what we will do boss!".
Ofcourse we all could be miles off but it just seems that Lucas would not enter into a perminant agreement to only have SOE develope a SW mmo. He simply does not have to agree to that. Just a short term exclusive clause of say 5 years. He holds a licence that will sell games and if done right, not like the total shambles of SWG will sell them by the bucket load!
Lets be fair, SOE has taken the biggest licence around and made a complete mess of it. Whether you like SWG or not (i used to love it) it is not a success in a commercial sense or acclaim, infact it is a disaster and one that the gaming industry have learned a lot from!
Bioware take care of their games and add that bioware touch to them that make them a personal feeling game. SOE have never done that, they have been sony through and though from the beggining; to get as much money in the short term as possible! Even if bioware make a mess of the SW mmo (if they do go ahead with it) they wont dive as much as SOE did.
You know, a good marketing strategy is to start rumors and let people share the knowledge between each while the project is safely guarded under a vault with a bunch of devs.
It's a good way to see if people want your product or not. It's also a good way to see what they expect and what you need to avoid. Specially in SWG, I think it's pretty clear what everyone loves and hate.
So don't be suprise if the next SWG is by Bioware then again... don't be surprise if it's not /wink
If Bioware was making a MMO based on a IP from Electronic Arts, then they would be in contract with EA similar to the SOE/LA contract. Correct?
If so then EA was already set to make boat loads of cash off this unnamed MMO (harry potter or not it doesn't matter at the moment)... and we are all assuming it was principally for the MMO that Bioware is making.
Why then would Electronic Arts spend $890 million to acquire Bioware? It doesn't make sense me at all. Maybe it is the sticker shock that gets me all confused, but why spend that much to acquire something that you already stand to make a mint off of... Assuming this MMO is the blockbuster everyone is assuming it will be and for that price tag it would have to be WoW size in nature.
There has been lots of great speculation for both Kotor and Harry Potter and one of the better threads I have read in a while. Buying a company that is making an MMO based on your own IP I just can't understand the benefits yet, especially at that price tag.
First of all, just because LA and SOE claim they have no plans to 'sunset' SWG doesn't mean it won't happen. If you honestly believe what they say to be 100% true, you have learned nothing of how they do business. Speaking of business, I am appalled people try to claim they know what's going on because they have experience in the field. First of all, the only people who really know what is going on are the people over at BioWare (and possibly LA). Let me explain in a simple way how the licensing of a Star Wars MMO works: LA did not make SWG, SOE did. SOE licensed the IP. This means LA gave SOE exclusive rights to a Star Wars MMO. SOE, being a different company than LA, would be pretty mad if LA allowed another Star Wars MMO to hit the market. This is why they obtained exclusive rights. It's just poor business for the companies actually making the games to have to compete with other companies making games with the same IP. To the people who named games like EQ, EQ2, AC, AC2, L1, L2 as games of the same IP that are co-existent on the market, you fail to realize that those are sequels made by the same companies. There is no way another Everquest game would be made by a new company (not SOE) while the current games are out. Basically, there can only be one Star Wars MMO unless the developers agree to compete against each other, which is utterly stupid and bad for business (of the individual company). I know many of you are upset about speculation posts, but the real catalyst was the quote from the market analyst (you can find a link to it in another thread). Tell him to shut it and not your fellow Star Wars MMO lovers. I whole heartedly support a new Star Wars MMO as well as whole heartedly agree that Jedi, if implemented resembling the movies, cannot be in an MMO. Game on and have a good day.
SOE doesnt own the "S" in the let Star from Star Wars, LucasArts is in FULL control over that IP and if they dont like where SOE is going they can pull the plug not the other way around. SWG would not be around if LucasArts had passed it up so its not SOE that has any say over it, its LA and LA isnt going to work with EA so you can support a new SW MMO all you want but it isnt going to happen from EA/ BioWare.
So....spending the money developing 10 mmos to attract the same fanbase as the one you currently have out is a sound business move? 20 years business experience? lol
LucasArts doesn't spend a penny to develop MMOs...guess why...they're not the developer.
First day? lol.
One of the major roles of a publisher is to bankroll the project's development. In fact, that and distribution are the publisher's main reasons for being involved. You may think SOE fully funded SWG's development...but I somehow doubt it. Not that I agree with the person you quoted...I think making a new Star Wars MMO is in LucasArts best interests Bioware or no. SWG is done, stick a fork in it.
Originally posted by Vincenz
Obviously it would be like this: Developed by BioWare, a division of EA Games and published by LucasArts. Star Wars is a licensed trademark of LucasFilm LTD. Star Wars: <whatever it's called> is (c) 2009 LucasArts/EA Games
Maybe not exact words, but should be close enough.
Again man, EA bought Bioware so that they could publish the games that Bioware develops
why in the world would they then select one of the miniscule number of IP's that a competitor like Lucasarts owns to base their MMO on??? Why would they select an IP that they'd have to give up their publishing position to a competitor???
If you're sitting in the EA boardroom right now and suggested that you'd be summarily fired.
EA already owns one of the biggest IPs in the world right now...that still doesn't have an MMO...and personally I'd bank on it being this MMO.
Welcome to Harry Potter Online.
Wish I could agree with you, but you're conveniently ignoring some things
1) You don't know EA's motivation for buying Bioware. Besides the fact that they fail to list themselves as publishing the MMO on the disclosure (which would have been a foregone conclusion according to you). Why in the world wouldn't they list themselves as the publisher? Why keep it TBA? How do you know that EA wouldn't be willing to forgo publishing the game? It seems to me if they knew the project already had a publisher and they still bought it that they probably considered not being the publisher and thought that was an equitable risk.
2) Bioware has been in development for this MMO for nearly 2 years, and the game was already in a playable state when EA announced the purchase. It doesn't matter what EA would choose to base the MMO on, because they weren't in the room when that went down (unless Bioware licensed the Harry Potter IP from EA to begin with, which I find as unlikely as Blizzard going bankrupt).
3) Harry Potter would be a god awful MMORPG. It doesn't fit Bioware's history at all, and regardless of how you feel about EA, I doubt they spent 800 million dollars on Bioware to get them to make a crappy Harry Potter game (MMO or not). How do you reconcile Bioware's statements about staying true to the their traditional storytelling style with an IP as restrictive as Harry Potter??
I hope to god you were joking about the Harry Potter thing, I usually have a good sense of humor but I'm a little touchy when it comes to Bioware
Man, don't argue with vincenz, hes got 20 years business experience in....whatever.
Of course Lucas Arts puts money in developing stuff like SWG (see interview with Jake Neri). My initial response stands.
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thing about Potter is lots of its fanbase is very young, so young that their parents may not let them play an mmo.
well...if it turned out that Bioware was making a new Star wars MMO and it was set in the KOTOR universe then they better work damn hard at making it appeal to me. i hate pvp and no doubt jedi will own that part of the game but if the game is half decent at everything else (crafting , the landscape, housing, skills (ohhh it better be a sandbox or else
) and combat)) then it will be a decent game.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
MAn i like Kotor a lot BUT really it is nothing about it, Just let me give some examples:
Matrix? a huge fan potentiel even more than star wars stunning movies, and the subject directly related with Computer and internet BUT the MMO ? just a fiasco. Nobody played it. Look at LOTRO yeah playing but where is all LOTR fans all over the world?
and then look at WoW? over 6 million subscribers?
The first things about gaming and MMO is you MUST proove yourself AS a PC GAME. Everybody knows what Blizzard means in gaming world, Everybody. And we all seeing the Kingdom of WoW.They say "fanbois under-14 kids game" "noobs" etc, all are shit. This game is Succesful because IT proove itself as a Game and Blizzard proove himself as a GAMING company. There is not any importance what your farchandise is, NOT the fanbois watching the movie or reading the book are the First target of a MMO. In the End , Gamers will rule this galaxy. YOU SHOULD proove yourself, for success.
KOTOR is the one of the best games ever. Nobody can say anything against it. over 3 million copies sold (and i dont count the illegal copies as in my country and in asia and middle-east, i am saying it because you cant imagine how many people playing these without givin any money)
And Bioware. Should i say anything about them? come on man...........i mean come on.
harrypoter, starwarz, lordof therngs, matrix, lionking etc. means NOTHING. The gaming history proved it many many many times. we saw it at WoW we saw it on Pre-CU and NGE, we saw it on Matrix online.
ps: sorry for grammar
MAn i like Kotor a lot BUT really it is nothing about it, Just let me give some examples:
Matrix? a huge fan potentiel even more than star wars stunning movies, and the subject directly related with Computer and internet BUT the MMO ? just a fiasco. Nobody played it. Look at LOTRO yeah playing but where is all LOTR fans all over the world?
and then look at WoW? over 6 million subscribers?
The first things about gaming and MMO is you MUST proove yourself AS a PC GAME. Everybody knows what Blizzard means in gaming world, Everybody. And we all seeing the Kingdom of WoW.They say "fanbois under-14 kids game" "noobs" etc, all are shit. This game is Succesful because IT proove itself as a Game and Blizzard proove himself as a GAMING company. There is not any importance what your farchandise is, NOT the fanbois watching the movie or reading the book are the First target of a MMO. In the End , Gamers will rule this galaxy. YOU SHOULD proove yourself, for success.
KOTOR is the one of the best games ever. Nobody can say anything against it. over 3 million copies sold (and i dont count the illegal copies as in my country and in asia and middle-east, i am saying it because you cant imagine how many people playing these without givin any money)
And Bioware. Should i say anything about them? come on man...........i mean come on.
harrypoter, starwarz, lordof therngs, matrix, lionking etc. means NOTHING. The gaming history proved it many many many times. we saw it at WoW we saw it on Pre-CU and NGE, we saw it on Matrix online.
ps: sorry for grammar
WoW was ONLY successful because of the fanbase with the RTS and the people wanting a fantasy type MMO that was EASY to understand so there for WoW didnt bring anything new to the table its a cookie cutter MMO based off of a franchise that did extremely well. The Star Wars Fanbase is based off of the hype at the time mostly. yes there are a few of us out there that actually knows what happens to boba fett, han, liea, and luke later on but how many of the vast majority of people that call themselves "star wars fans" actually pay attention to stuff like that? That fact is that star wars is only famous because of the jedi hype, which is really sad because there is alot more but that doesnt stop the fanbase from going OMG JEDI! and start posting fake articles about a JEDI game. its all hype. there is nothing special about it and it has been done before. so if EA had insider information about BioWare's MMO, Which they did other wise they wouldnt have bought it, they realize that it has something special planned and something never seen before other wise they wouldnt have spent nearly a BIL on the deal to obtain BioWare, Also BioWare has STATED that they dislike working with LA and in fact KOTOR 2 WAS released by obsidian NOT BioWare meaning that BioWare no longer had dealings with LA and wont ever again now that they are in the hands of EA. This Mystery MMO they have planned is just that and I BET we can expect it will be something worth while if EA is staking their money on it. BUT it wont be KOTOR. Also Halo 3 Smoked KOTOR in sells having over 3 Mil, PRE-ORDERS but I dont see any post about a Halo MMO because it was successful?
wtf part of my thread is rumor? if nothing else im trying to debunk all the rumors. and what MMO has ever had two of the same kind out running from two different companies? like i said think before you guys open your mouths.
eq, eq2, there are like 4 different ryl's, and ac1, ac2,
playing eq2 and two worlds
wtf part of my thread is rumor? if nothing else im trying to debunk all the rumors. and what MMO has ever had two of the same kind out running from two different companies? like i said think before you guys open your mouths.
eq, eq2, there are like 4 different ryl's, and ac1, ac2,
Eq, eq 2 = SOE not eq= SOE eq2=EA dont even know what RYL's are never heard of them, and 3rd READ the rest of the thread before posting on something that was mentioned a while ago A LOT has happened since then on this thread and people are going back to the beginning when the arguements were just getting started and alot of this stuff people are reposting has been stated before.
MAn i like Kotor a lot BUT really it is nothing about it, Just let me give some examples:
Matrix? a huge fan potentiel even more than star wars stunning movies, and the subject directly related with Computer and internet BUT the MMO ? just a fiasco. Nobody played it. Look at LOTRO yeah playing but where is all LOTR fans all over the world?
and then look at WoW? over 6 million subscribers?
The first things about gaming and MMO is you MUST proove yourself AS a PC GAME. Everybody knows what Blizzard means in gaming world, Everybody. And we all seeing the Kingdom of WoW.They say "fanbois under-14 kids game" "noobs" etc, all are shit. This game is Succesful because IT proove itself as a Game and Blizzard proove himself as a GAMING company. There is not any importance what your farchandise is, NOT the fanbois watching the movie or reading the book are the First target of a MMO. In the End , Gamers will rule this galaxy. YOU SHOULD proove yourself, for success.
KOTOR is the one of the best games ever. Nobody can say anything against it. over 3 million copies sold (and i dont count the illegal copies as in my country and in asia and middle-east, i am saying it because you cant imagine how many people playing these without givin any money)
And Bioware. Should i say anything about them? come on man...........i mean come on.
harrypoter, starwarz, lordof therngs, matrix, lionking etc. means NOTHING. The gaming history proved it many many many times. we saw it at WoW we saw it on Pre-CU and NGE, we saw it on Matrix online.
ps: sorry for grammar
WoW was ONLY successful because of the fanbase with the RTS and the people wanting a fantasy type MMO that was EASY to understand so there for WoW didnt bring anything new to the table its a cookie cutter MMO based off of a franchise that did extremely well.It is not important to bring anything new. this game has a style like it or not. this game and Blizzard is behind it. and over 6 million subscribers and it is a succesfull game. because of that there are also demand for a Starcraft MMO and believe me there will be one.. The Star Wars Fanbase is based off of the hype at the time mostly. yes there are a few of us out there that actually knows what happens to boba fett, han, liea, and luke later on but how many of the vast majority of people that call themselves "star wars fans" actually pay attention to stuff like that? That fact is that star wars is only famous because of the jedi hype, which is really sad because there is alot more but that doesnt stop the fanbase from going OMG JEDI! and start posting fake articles about a JEDI game. its all hype. there is nothing special about it and it has been done before. But there is Not so much sophisticated fan base who understand the philosophy in the mervhandise or know lots of thing about what he fan of . IF it is a Harry Potter MMO then you will face the same problems , there will be lots of HarryPotta1991 kids runnin around. It is not about star wars , just being a Fan, including such a problem of being young, being-non adult and so being hype . In all MMOs , and real life also, you will socialize with the people like you, the people fit your age and mentality this is not about star wars. so if EA had insider information about BioWare's MMO, Which they did other wise they wouldnt have bought it, they realize that it has something special planned and something never seen before other wise they wouldnt have spent nearly a BIL on the deal to obtain BioWare, Also BioWare has STATED that they dislike working with LA and in fact KOTOR 2 WAS released by obsidian NOT BioWare meaning that BioWare no longer had dealings with LA and wont ever again now that they are in the hands of EA. This Mystery MMO they have planned is just that and I BET we can expect it will be something worth while if EA is staking their money on it. BUT it wont be KOTOR. Also Halo 3 Smoked KOTOR in sells having over 3 Mil, PRE-ORDERS but I dont see any post about a Halo MMO because it was successful? Surely EA talked about Bioware and learned what the MMO s IP is and all we know this amount of money given mostly because of this MMO, and it has something worth 800+millions$ Why not is this a Star Wars licence worth so much money? As i said, Yes , cbeing competitor EA and LA and wouldnt sell any licence to each other making sense, but this game started 2 years ago man, there is no way to being known the IP by EA and planning 2 years after to buy it.
I am believing KOTOR MMO and I BET on it . Just WE will see.
MAn i like Kotor a lot BUT really it is nothing about it, Just let me give some examples:
Matrix? a huge fan potentiel even more than star wars stunning movies, and the subject directly related with Computer and internet BUT the MMO ? just a fiasco. Nobody played it. Look at LOTRO yeah playing but where is all LOTR fans all over the world?
and then look at WoW? over 6 million subscribers?
The first things about gaming and MMO is you MUST proove yourself AS a PC GAME. Everybody knows what Blizzard means in gaming world, Everybody. And we all seeing the Kingdom of WoW.They say "fanbois under-14 kids game" "noobs" etc, all are shit. This game is Succesful because IT proove itself as a Game and Blizzard proove himself as a GAMING company. There is not any importance what your farchandise is, NOT the fanbois watching the movie or reading the book are the First target of a MMO. In the End , Gamers will rule this galaxy. YOU SHOULD proove yourself, for success.
KOTOR is the one of the best games ever. Nobody can say anything against it. over 3 million copies sold (and i dont count the illegal copies as in my country and in asia and middle-east, i am saying it because you cant imagine how many people playing these without givin any money)
And Bioware. Should i say anything about them? come on man...........i mean come on.
harrypoter, starwarz, lordof therngs, matrix, lionking etc. means NOTHING. The gaming history proved it many many many times. we saw it at WoW we saw it on Pre-CU and NGE, we saw it on Matrix online.
ps: sorry for grammar
WoW was ONLY successful because of the fanbase with the RTS and the people wanting a fantasy type MMO that was EASY to understand so there for WoW didnt bring anything new to the table its a cookie cutter MMO based off of a franchise that did extremely well.It is not important to bring anything new. this game has a style like it or not. this game and Blizzard is behind it. and over 6 million subscribers. The Star Wars Fanbase is based off of the hype at the time mostly. yes there are a few of us out there that actually knows what happens to boba fett, han, liea, and luke later on but how many of the vast majority of people that call themselves "star wars fans" actually pay attention to stuff like that? That fact is that star wars is only famous because of the jedi hype, which is really sad because there is alot more but that doesnt stop the fanbase from going OMG JEDI! and start posting fake articles about a JEDI game. its all hype. there is nothing special about it and it has been done before. But there is Not so much sophisticated fan base who understand the philosophy in the mervhandise or know lots of thing about what he fan of . IF it is a Harry Potter MMO then you will face the same problems , there will be lots of HarryPotta1991 kids runnin around. It is not about star wars , just being a Fan, including such a problem of being young, being-non adult and so being hype . In all MMOs , and real life also, you will socialize with the people like you, the people fit your age and mentality this is not about star wars. so if EA had insider information about BioWare's MMO, Which they did other wise they wouldnt have bought it, they realize that it has something special planned and something never seen before other wise they wouldnt have spent nearly a BIL on the deal to obtain BioWare, Also BioWare has STATED that they dislike working with LA and in fact KOTOR 2 WAS released by obsidian NOT BioWare meaning that BioWare no longer had dealings with LA and wont ever again now that they are in the hands of EA. This Mystery MMO they have planned is just that and I BET we can expect it will be something worth while if EA is staking their money on it. BUT it wont be KOTOR. Also Halo 3 Smoked KOTOR in sells having over 3 Mil, PRE-ORDERS but I dont see any post about a Halo MMO because it was successful?
the thing with the harry potter fan base is no matter how young they are they have more than likely read or have been read the books so they understand and harry potter is fairly new so there for it hasnt accumulated the amount of Lore Star Wars has. Star Wars has been around for nearly 40 years thats an impressive fan base and not one to be taken lightly regardless of Lucas's original intent Star Wars has gone far past the force and into other aspects so there fore making a game solely about jedi is a bad idea and would not have been a smart move by EA. And about the not bringing anything new, and leaving something behind, IF you dont bring anything new...what do you leave behind? nothing really and thats what WoW's legacy is ultimately if you look at it down the long run and Im not saying that it wasnt a good game because it kept my interest for over 2 years it had its aspects but I realized after Nax came out that it was a dead end game I got a vision if you will of their future and saw that regardless of bosses and the different lay out of the dungeons I will be increasingly fighting more and more mobs to get to bosses of increasing difficultly in the hopes of earning enough DKP to outbid the other 3 million rogues that played the game so I got burnt out and realized that style of game play wasnt for me Others may like it but when they Leave WoW in the future they would only remember a few friends they stuck with through the 20+ guilds they went to and would have wasted all that time not really doing anything special because the game has brought nothing new to the table.
yea thats all we can do is See but its all speculation and until people get that through their heads I have a very funny feeling everyone will be disappointed. You can speculate all you want, but Im just trying to help stop the same rumoress thread that went around every other week saying confirmed. And there maybe a KOTOR MMO in the works but I will bet you actual money its not EA/BioWare producing it.
Something though to add, though for what it is worth, most likely nothing now, is that one statement more than a year ago...
"LucasArts and SOE have no plans to 'sunset' Star Wars Galaxies. The two companies will continue to work together as partners in making Star Wars Galaxies the ultimate online Star Wars experience. As has been announced several times previously, LucasArts and SOE are 100% committed and determined to continue to support Star Wars Galaxies together, especially with our renewed focus on improving the game for existing players through robust publish and content offerings in 2006."
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
First of all, just because LA and SOE claim they have no plans to 'sunset' SWG doesn't mean it won't happen. If you honestly believe what they say to be 100% true, you have learned nothing of how they do business.
Speaking of business, I am appalled people try to claim they know what's going on because they have experience in the field. First of all, the only people who really know what is going on are the people over at BioWare (and possibly LA).
Let me explain in a simple way how the licensing of a Star Wars MMO works:
LA did not make SWG, SOE did. SOE licensed the IP. This means LA gave SOE exclusive rights to a Star Wars MMO. SOE, being a different company than LA, would be pretty mad if LA allowed another Star Wars MMO to hit the market. This is why they obtained exclusive rights. It's just poor business for the companies actually making the games to have to compete with other companies making games with the same IP.
To the people who named games like EQ, EQ2, AC, AC2, L1, L2 as games of the same IP that are co-existent on the market, you fail to realize that those are sequels made by the same companies. There is no way another Everquest game would be made by a new company (not SOE) while the current games are out.
Basically, there can only be one Star Wars MMO unless the developers agree to compete against each other, which is utterly stupid and bad for business (of the individual company).
I know many of you are upset about speculation posts, but the real catalyst was the quote from the market analyst (you can find a link to it in another thread). Tell him to shut it and not your fellow Star Wars MMO lovers.
I whole heartedly support a new Star Wars MMO as well as whole heartedly agree that Jedi, if implemented resembling the movies, cannot be in an MMO. Game on and have a good day.
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Lets all be clear about one thing. SOE has made some shocking decisions in the past and make no mistake about it; these include business decisions as well as development decisions. They have a track record for both.
However, the big issue here is that although SOE are a powerfull player in the mmo market, they are customers to a much larger fish in regards to the licence owner; LA.
If there is something star wars to play then people will play it, and by the droves. Its one of the most iconic licences in the world (if not the most profitable) and fans will play it just because it says you can see lightsabers!
LA know this, and SOE certainly do so who do you think had the biggest edge when thrashing out the contact? LA had all the cards, SOE was simply the only truly 'famous' mmo development studio back then so they were naturally the best choice. LA have repeatedly made calls on the project, and if certain 'inside' knowledge is to be believed from past employees etc then LA called the shots all the time and really stepped in once the hate calls started to flow LAs way for an apalling game.
There have been all sorts of comments over the years but one which i remember clearly was the one about the terms retender for the SW licence. Basically, after 2 years the contract goes up for review and LA look at exactly what is going on. Just about the same time that we saw the CU, the Jedi, The NGE. Its a simply case of "of shit, yes we messed up, here is what we will do boss!".
Ofcourse we all could be miles off but it just seems that Lucas would not enter into a perminant agreement to only have SOE develope a SW mmo. He simply does not have to agree to that. Just a short term exclusive clause of say 5 years. He holds a licence that will sell games and if done right, not like the total shambles of SWG will sell them by the bucket load!
Lets be fair, SOE has taken the biggest licence around and made a complete mess of it. Whether you like SWG or not (i used to love it) it is not a success in a commercial sense or acclaim, infact it is a disaster and one that the gaming industry have learned a lot from!
Bioware take care of their games and add that bioware touch to them that make them a personal feeling game. SOE have never done that, they have been sony through and though from the beggining; to get as much money in the short term as possible! Even if bioware make a mess of the SW mmo (if they do go ahead with it) they wont dive as much as SOE did.
You know, a good marketing strategy is to start rumors and let people share the knowledge between each while the project is safely guarded under a vault with a bunch of devs.
It's a good way to see if people want your product or not. It's also a good way to see what they expect and what you need to avoid. Specially in SWG, I think it's pretty clear what everyone loves and hate.
So don't be suprise if the next SWG is by Bioware then again... don't be surprise if it's not /wink
If Bioware was making a MMO based on a IP from Electronic Arts, then they would be in contract with EA similar to the SOE/LA contract. Correct?
If so then EA was already set to make boat loads of cash off this unnamed MMO (harry potter or not it doesn't matter at the moment)... and we are all assuming it was principally for the MMO that Bioware is making.
Why then would Electronic Arts spend $890 million to acquire Bioware? It doesn't make sense me at all. Maybe it is the sticker shock that gets me all confused, but why spend that much to acquire something that you already stand to make a mint off of... Assuming this MMO is the blockbuster everyone is assuming it will be and for that price tag it would have to be WoW size in nature.
There has been lots of great speculation for both Kotor and Harry Potter and one of the better threads I have read in a while. Buying a company that is making an MMO based on your own IP I just can't understand the benefits yet, especially at that price tag.
SOE doesnt own the "S" in the let Star from Star Wars, LucasArts is in FULL control over that IP and if they dont like where SOE is going they can pull the plug not the other way around. SWG would not be around if LucasArts had passed it up so its not SOE that has any say over it, its LA and LA isnt going to work with EA so you can support a new SW MMO all you want but it isnt going to happen from EA/ BioWare.
LucasArts doesn't spend a penny to develop MMOs...guess why...they're not the developer.
First day? lol.
One of the major roles of a publisher is to bankroll the project's development. In fact, that and distribution are the publisher's main reasons for being involved. You may think SOE fully funded SWG's development...but I somehow doubt it. Not that I agree with the person you quoted...I think making a new Star Wars MMO is in LucasArts best interests Bioware or no. SWG is done, stick a fork in it.
Again man, EA bought Bioware so that they could publish the games that Bioware develops
why in the world would they then select one of the miniscule number of IP's that a competitor like Lucasarts owns to base their MMO on??? Why would they select an IP that they'd have to give up their publishing position to a competitor???
If you're sitting in the EA boardroom right now and suggested that you'd be summarily fired.
EA already owns one of the biggest IPs in the world right now...that still doesn't have an MMO...and personally I'd bank on it being this MMO.
Welcome to Harry Potter Online.
Wish I could agree with you, but you're conveniently ignoring some things
1) You don't know EA's motivation for buying Bioware. Besides the fact that they fail to list themselves as publishing the MMO on the disclosure (which would have been a foregone conclusion according to you). Why in the world wouldn't they list themselves as the publisher? Why keep it TBA? How do you know that EA wouldn't be willing to forgo publishing the game? It seems to me if they knew the project already had a publisher and they still bought it that they probably considered not being the publisher and thought that was an equitable risk.
2) Bioware has been in development for this MMO for nearly 2 years, and the game was already in a playable state when EA announced the purchase. It doesn't matter what EA would choose to base the MMO on, because they weren't in the room when that went down (unless Bioware licensed the Harry Potter IP from EA to begin with, which I find as unlikely as Blizzard going bankrupt).
3) Harry Potter would be a god awful MMORPG. It doesn't fit Bioware's history at all, and regardless of how you feel about EA, I doubt they spent 800 million dollars on Bioware to get them to make a crappy Harry Potter game (MMO or not). How do you reconcile Bioware's statements about staying true to the their traditional storytelling style with an IP as restrictive as Harry Potter??
I hope to god you were joking about the Harry Potter thing, I usually have a good sense of humor but I'm a little touchy when it comes to Bioware
Man, don't argue with vincenz, hes got 20 years business experience in....whatever.
Of course Lucas Arts puts money in developing stuff like SWG (see interview with Jake Neri). My initial response stands.
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