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Vets... Ever Tempted Back Just To Be In The World?
MARTYB2K
Member Posts: 167
Forgive me if im wrong, and i don't work for SOE but i've returned to SWG recently, and they is still loads of ways to really enjoy this game. I had a Master Bounty Hunter Pre-NGE so i lost abit aswell. (Granted, not as much as a Jedi). But we all love Star Wars and even just being part of the world is almost good enough for me. I think if the population was near what it used to be, many of the old playes would really enjoy the game again. Like i said i just enjoy being part of the world. It still has amazing potential for roleplay, and exploring.
One of the best aspects of the game, player housing is always what it used to be. With abit of tweaking on the crafting which im sure will come, crafters can have as much fun, as ever. I don't understand why lots of people are denying themselves the enjoyment of playing in the universe they enjoy. You only live once, and i know what SOE done was shitty, but so was what the Germans done in WW2 (but a million times worse) and everyone has forgiven them? Sometimes you just have to swollow your pride, and when you get back into the game, and daydreaming about playing it again when your not, you will still enjoy yourselves. After all MMO's are about a important social aspect, and that could still exist in the current game.
Lets face it, if your just hanging out for another Star Wars MMO fix, i think you are going to be waiting at least 3 years. 
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Tempted... for the world.. well.. yeah.. sometimes. I am. But... not enough to actually do it.. to me, the game as it is now is a pos... glad others enjoy it though,
I did return doing the free trial, at first I was caught up in the old way of thinking.. I thought to myself, that the NGE had been improved since the launch, and it didn't seem that far different than the old system with the exception of the last remaining 100 players on the server were all jedi...Then I started getting into depth with the game play and crafting. I realized after spending some considerable amount of time researching and playing the game, what a mess it has turned into. I left again for the final time, and have never felt better!
I suppose, im just trying to say, i believe alot of the old vets would still enjoy the game, they just too stubborn to go back. Its only a game. Yes, SOE screwed up, but i think SWG still has life, but only if enough people are playing it. I'd prefer it the old way aswell, but it's not going to happen, and any new Star Wars MMO won't be as much of a sandbox as even the NGE is now, im my opinion.
not even slightly tempted to try NGE.
resaons:
a. combat system, if i wanted to play a fps shooter i would be playing counter-stirke.
b. rigid class system, I am stuck with a cookie cutter level/class nightmare in WoW as my friends and family all wnnet there after NGE. I hate the though of my old toon and not beign able to say sod rifles, never tried pistoleer, think i will go do that.
c. emotional/moray: With teeh way that the company handles the vets (like myself) with such disdain and a cavalier attitude, why should i reward them with my partonage for a game that I did not want, never asked for, and was told that I should likeit or just leave.
I left, I am stuck in complex mmorpg hell as everyone wants to be WoW, and i want a deep complex game that has/had both a stories (quests) and at teh same time will let me find my own path to enjoyment, not some 23 year old programmers.
I was optimistic.. I was a beta tester of this game. I had a deep seeded love for the game. I holo grinded one of the first jedi, and made a Jedi Sentinel of master lvl. So yeah, I had a lot to go back to.. I even decided to abandon my old character and started brand new. Both times I was very disappointed. I'm not saying don't do it, I am just relating my let down when I gave it an honest shot.
nice try, but nope. most vets want a serious game, not to stand arround and talk about what a great view the theed falls are. That is about all we can do that is close to what the game was. As I replied above if you are lookign to play this sort of game right now from the reviews out there, there are MUCH better implimentations of the mechanism. can you tabula rasa?
nice try, but nope. most vets want a serious game, not to stand arround and talk about what a great view the theed falls are. That is about all we can do that is close to what the game was. As I replied above if you are lookign to play this sort of game right now from the reviews out there, there are MUCH better implimentations of the mechanism. can you tabula rasa?
Agreed. Why spend the money on something broken when there are other solidly built mmo's to choose from.
Is Vanguard an option? I haven't played it since beta, but i hear its getting alot better? Maybe it can turn into a similar game as pre-nge SWG? It certainly has alot of the same sandbox elements, like player housing loads of classes, huge seemless world, and good crafting? Maybe thats what SOE are trying to do, get all the old vets of SWG to play Vanguard, whilst stealing Wow players from Blizzard with the nge SWG?
I have never tried Vanguard. But I can relate to you on what your feeling and waiting for in a good mmo. For now, I have been satisfied in City of Heroes. It is nothing like swg or any other real in depth role playing game available. It does satisfy certain entertrainment needs until Age of Conan and or Stargate comes out.
Both SOE and LA did what no company should ever do, burn the customer base, not just with the NGE, but with lies, the deception and of past and present events.
It is best to use your energy in communicating with SOE and LA to have them provide incentives to bring back customers rather than to attempt to persuade the burnt customers.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Vangard appeals to the hardcore EQ crowd.I have never tried Vanguard. But I can relate to you on what your feeling and waiting for in a good mmo. For now, I have been satisfied in City of Heroes. It is nothing like swg or any other real in depth role playing game available. It does satisfy certain entertrainment needs until Age of Conan comes out.
On my nights when i have to satisfy my brian with a complex mmorpg, i actually went back to Anarchy Online. I love still how almost every item in the game as its own back story, even a rifle named after a Org i help start and in the description is the name of the officer that was the lead soldier in the org. there are other things like that in the game as well. It is complex even if the graphic are dated (still not bad to me mind you)
Sure I miss SWG-pre NGE, but I don't care how much I miss playing my character in that game as long as it remains as it is I'll never resub to it - ever.
I do succumb to this temptation once a year approx.... Partly because I liked old pre-cu game very much, partly because I want to play some MMO in star wars universe, partly because of what you said - SWG enviroment, which is partly still there - cantinas, housing...
Last time I played about 2 months in the spring and yes, they improved the game, added some new stuff, mainly re-packged old stuff and gave it back, but there are indeed things to do again in the game. All my toons are on bloodfin, which is very populated server right now.
But
the problem is that the game itself all mechanincs combat, crafter, pve, pvp whatever are broken without any sign of hope to be tuned. Yes, you can hang out in cantina for a while making jokes and flirting with some 40 years old freaks who are pretending to be 18 year old girl, but then you understand how much better to go to real life cantina and hang out there. There is Sony, there is online, but there is no entertaiment.
No sense for escapism, if the place where you are escaping is more broken then the real world.
A month or two ago I did feel the urge to experience the good old SWG days.
I logged onto the SWG Pre-CU EMU server. The playing experience wasn't that good, but it brought back some amazing memories and it was a nice feel.
I am not going back to the NGE. It ruins my whole day.
I've been tempted, I tried it back for chapter 4, left shortly after. I did return purely for the world. But the game being so empty and having no soul left in it made me quit again. There just was no point to it anymore. I had reached level 90 jedi... yay yipee! right? so was over 85% of the population.
Restuss was a mess, rebs helping out imps for quests lol! I almost couldn't believe it. I was seeing these big ships dropping off storm trooper and rebel NPC's fighting against each other and against faction PC's, but the rebs and the imp players were actually helping each other out one some of the quests (the destroying the satellite one if I remember correctly)
Yeah I've been tempted, but now I play KOTOR 1 and 2, BF 1 and 2 to pacify me from making the mistake of going back. I am slightly tempted after hearing what chapter 8 is supposed to bring back, but I know I'll probably be disappointed so I'm trying to stay away.
I have tried coming back. but every time I do I end up fighting with the controls for a few hours.
The game play is like a hard arcade game now.
Face it the game stinks for me.
Though a friend told me if I did the right drugs it would be fun again. but then any thing would be fun LOL
Whenever I feel tempted SOE comes along with a 21-day trial (of whcih December should be my 4th this year) and I realize again just how unappealing SWG has become to me. The combat system is remarkably dull, awkward, and boring IMO. Crafting just doesn't have the same feeling for me, and socially I find the game is only a shadow of it's former self.
All in all I find it a mediochre game now, and in a market full of decently made MMO's this one is just weak IMO. And when another MMO borrows the best elements of SWG (i.e. player housing/cities) then SWG will be off the radar for me.
I would drop everything I am playing right now for a Pre-CU working world. It had its bugs and such but nothing has compared to it since.
I wouldnt go back to SWG as it is now because its not what it was. What good would it do me to want to play SWG (the real SWG) when all I would log into is a farce?
For those of you who still play it, I will explain myself better. They gutted the previous 32 professions. Completely elimating most of them and the ability to mix and match (which is huge). They pushed away a vast majority of their subscribers which infused the world with fun stuff to do. They destroyed combat in the game compared to what it is, IE it is vastly different and in my honest opinion vastly inferior to the way it was. I understand they continue to reintroduce stuff to the world... stuff that was in the game more than 2 years ago.
I have so many great memories of SWG Pre-CU. From leveling up medic on Lok with a group killing nym to raiding DWB as a musician. From killing 7 bases in one night as well as 100s of imps to partying with those same players hours after when everybody's bars were full black.
All that aside the major reason I wont go back is SOE pulled a bait and switch. Pre-CU SOE had said over and over they had a sandbox to help current issues. a month before it came out there were some leaks that the entire combat system had been replaced with eq2, solving none of the problems that were in the game currently and lessening the game overall. I wont go back to a company that doesnt respect the people who play their game. If I went back I am asking them to do it again. I wont do it.
I went back a while ago when you could log in and play for free on an old account. I actually played, leveled ~25 levels and started doing PvP and base busting. I only stayed maybe 3 weeks cause i started getting bored and began seeing what they had really turned the game into.
Even after all t he clamor over Doctor buffs and food and spice, the PvP had turned into who has the higher rank buffs and npc's win, and world PvP barely existed outside of the designated zone.
Servers are relatively barren, and old dungeons and hunting grounds have been nerfed till there no longer enjoyable. Combat is majorly dumbed down and awful to look at, some of the proffessions are kind of fun to play, but I'm still being pigeonholed and limited in my play style by a profession.
Going back, mostly made me miss the good times I had back in the day even more, but it was fun rummaging through my old houses that were left, and having good times with the old guildies.
I don't really know what my point is with all this, just sharing my experience of going back. There's more I could complain about, but im tired of bitchin haha.
i am really disgusted with this nge nonsense. i quit about a week after giving nge a chance. the game is ruined, and its not that im upset just cause such an amazing mmo is going to $hit, but because it was the ONLY one that portrays a STAR WARS UNIVERSE which to me is what ultimately gave the game its main appeal. i could talk about pre-cu all day and how it should be revived, but it wont do any good cause we're dealing with $OE.... and quite frankly, they lost me after eol got wiped.... yeah thats a while back.... (infantry online for those that dont know)
To respond to the question posed by this post's heading, I have a one-word answer:
Nope.
-- Xix
"I know what you're thinking: 'Why, oh WHY, didn't I take the BLUE pill?'"
Am I tempted to come back to the current game? Hell no. Let me say that again in case you misunderstood - HELL NO!!!
$OE completely broke the game not once but twice. They screwed the players over dozens of times (and continue to do so, according to some of the threads I read in this and in the current forum) and I haven't forgiven them for the last time they did it to me (the NGE), nor will I forgive them anytime soon. That day one issues like rubberbanding are still issues says more than enough about their priorities. Regarding your notion that I should swallow (note spelling) my pride and rejoin this blighted miasma of a game - well, get over it, as the fanbois are so apt to comment.
As for your analogy regarding WW2 and Germany - your comment is such utter stupidity that it deserves no further comment.
(note: nutjob emoticon used only because there wasn't a twit emoticon)
Waiting 3 years for another MMO company to release a SW-themed game sounds fine to me, as long as it's done well and said company doesn't completely jack the game and the subscriber base multiple times.
Your post is either the worst example of trolling I've yet found or the most ludicrous, desperate for groupmates plea I've yet witnessed - I can't tell which yet.
And now back to my silence I go. Adios.
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server
NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
Now Playing: World of Warcrack
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Get this into your head please: what the Germans (and others) did in WWII has NOT been 'forgiven by everyone'. Too many things done were unforgivable. What is happening, is that new generations aren't blamed for the sins of their parents, as long as they're not repeating them. There is a rather large and unsubtle difference. In my opinion, comparing WWII with a game company is in extremely bad taste, and remarkably stupid.
As to SOE: they can go rot. They destroyed everything I enjoyed in SWG, and no way in hell am I going to go back to the skeleton that remains.
Linna