This game is better than Sliverfall, TwoWorlds, Loki, DawnofMagic, and all the other RPGs that had potential this year. This is the one of the few RPGs that has come out to this year that is fun! Being at the top of the turd pile doesn't make it any less of a turd, just a shinier brown. TheWitcher makes Hellgate look like RPGMaker2000.
It looks like its pretty much doing "average" in reviews. That means its really just going to be a matter of personal taste. If you like this style of gameplay, you will like HG. There really isn't anything "wrong" with the game.
The Witcher doesn't have multi-player does it?
Apples and Oranges. Any single player (or even multiplayer) RPG trashes any MMO when it comes to immersion and story. Pick any MMO and ask yourself if you would play it if it was single player only. I doubt any MMO could survive that test.
This game is better than Sliverfall, TwoWorlds, Loki, DawnofMagic, and all the other RPGs that had potential this year. This is the one of the few RPGs that has come out to this year that is fun! Being at the top of the turd pile doesn't make it any less of a turd, just a shinier brown. TheWitcher makes Hellgate look like RPGMaker2000.
It looks like its pretty much doing "average" in reviews. That means its really just going to be a matter of personal taste. If you like this style of gameplay, you will like HG. There really isn't anything "wrong" with the game.
The Witcher doesn't have multi-player does it?
Apples and Oranges. Any single player (or even multiplayer) RPG trashes any MMO when it comes to immersion and story. Pick any MMO and ask yourself if you would play it if it was single player only. I doubt any MMO could survive that test.
You're comparing Hellgate to an MMO. So, looks like you're mixing the fruits up, too.
Nope, Witcher doesn't have multi-player but it has a hell of alot more atmosphere, detail, and thought put into it than Hellgate. And since Hellgates' multi-player is, heh, less than spectacularly implemented, that pretty much enables the comparison between the two singleplayer games.
The worst thing the devs did was let that "mmo" moniker float around in the hype until it was too late for them to "correct" the eager buyers about the actual platform of the game. They let their greed for that mmo market tap prevent them from properly aiming the game at the game section it was truly suited for.Diablo and Diablo 2 are not mmos. Titan Quest is not an mmo. And accordingly, Hellgate is not an mmo.
There is a big difference between multi-player and mmo. And as far as Hellgate goes, it's not even the technological equivelant of Diablo as far as the server implementation and performance are concerned.
And the QA department seems to have been let go also, considering the slipshod patches they put out. If they had just labeled HG as a singleplayer, it would have went alot further. And it would have lasted alot longer than the lifespan I'm forseeing for it currently.
I love this game!! It has great action lots of explosions and mucho zombie bashing. What more could you want? Its kinda like the old nes Contra in hell with rpg elements. Im tired of WoW clones any ways.
To the posters that said it has no PvP, the devs stated that PvP is coming, I cant wait.
I'm not going to try to counter every point made by people who dont like the game. I like it, I have a lot of fun playing it. Grouping is great, the gameplay is fast and the weapon customizing is fun. I'm enjoying this game more than any I've played in over a year.
Originally posted by EvilScribble Originally posted by Coldmeat
Originally posted by Cetra
Originally posted by Coldmeat If I want story, I'll read a book, thank you.
I did love the reviews mentioning repetitive combat in Hellgate. I wonder if HL2, TF2, QW, et all had repetetive combat brought up in their respective reviews?
rofl, please dude. How can the retarded zerging of brainless monsters be compared to playing against REAL PEOPLE. Even the computer A.I in HF2, Fear..etc and various fps games are so much better than yr hellgate london. And you know what. Real gamers want a great story to go with their awesome game. Good for you, if u like mashing yr left button with yr brain inside the closet. try harder.
Reading comprehension is not as hard as you may think. Let me make it simple for you... In HG:L, you have your selection of weaponry to use. You click, or hold the mouse button down, and generally run about trying to hit the mobs while not being hit. There are, of course the skills which you can use to augment your running around, and hitting mobs while not being hit yourself. Also, pets. And the RTS mission in Act 2. However, at it's basic core is essentially the same run and gun gameplay that is found in any other FPS by and large. Hell, Portal is probably the most fun I've had with an FPS in forever, and even as original, fun, and just damned awesome the gameplay was, there's really only what, a handfull of things you can do with the portal gun? See, this has exactly... Wait for it... ZERO to do with whether you're playing against the AI, or another player. The game mechanics remain the same. And they are, in fact, repetetive, as there is only so much you can do with the available weaponry. Therefore, decrying HG:L for having repetetive gameplay, but not leveling the same accusation against HL2, TF2, or any other FPS is disingenous at best. As for accusing someone of having their brain in the closet, you should probably write out complete words before questioning anyone elses intelligence.
Let ME make this simpler for YOU since you seem to have terrible overall reading skills yourself. You seem to have failed to answer the following quoted question with your stupid portal gun analogy: "rofl, please dude. How can the retarded zerging of brainless monsters be compared to playing against REAL PEOPLE" The argument is not what you can do with different weapons. It's actually what you can do when playing VS players compared to playing VS NPCs, in which your retarded and blatant portal gun analogy fails. The feature of being able to combat with AND against other players creates a highly dynamic environment unlike smashing through 130 AI zombies. As for flaming the quoted poster's word-abilities, I suggest you check your own vocabulary and don't use big words that you can't even spell right, Mr. Disingenuous.
Yep, I didn't answer his post about fighting other players vs fighting AI. Seeing as that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. Which was about core gameplay being repetetive. Core gameplay doesn't suddenly change because you switch from fighting AI to other players.
Kudos for catching the spelling error, though, Columbo. It's clearly the same as using u, and yr purposely.
Sadly, you missed the fact that I left out the apostrophe in 'else's'.
But comparing Vanguard to Hellgate London is ridiculous. Hellgate had 1/10 of the hype that Vanguard had. Vanguard was being hyped like crazy by the Bradfans. The only game that can come close to the level of infatuation and hype that Vanguard had is Darkfall.
I've never seen Vanguard discussed outside these forums. Not once. I've never seen it advertised anywhere either. Not even a review. They sent me a free copy on launch day, I've never even opened the package, let alone the box.
Hellgate on the other hand I've been reading about and discussing and watching previews and trailers for the last two years. This and Quake Wars have been the biggest titles on my Hypometer for 2007.
You guys must of lived under a rock then. Vanguard was hyped on every MMO related site for years. It was hyped in PC Gamer.
Vanguard was not even selling in my country I had to order it from England, whereas Hellgate is all over the place. Sure that's a strategy of the distributor here. In gameclubs all over this place, people atm either play WoW or Hellgate (usually 13-16 kids screaming on each other). Vanguard is not even installed on the computers. The few big words that Brad said in a couple of interviews is not overhype. Overhype is the amount of money spent on advertisment.
As you know VG sigil ran out of money and they had absolutely no money on additional advertisment during release. There were no VG banners no VG posters in shops no nothing. Even the manuals in the boxes were pretty... nonexistent unless you consider 10 page installation guide as a manual.
I am also having a lot of fun with this one. My only complaints are the repetitive level texture maps, and the grouping system. It is quite a chore to get one together at low traffic times, as there is no LFG system in place, you must seek out others in person to add them to your party. Other than that though, this game is fast paced, hack-and-slash goodness.
This game is better than Sliverfall, TwoWorlds, Loki, DawnofMagic, and all the other RPGs that had potential this year. This is the one of the few RPGs that has come out to this year that is fun! Being at the top of the turd pile doesn't make it any less of a turd, just a shinier brown. TheWitcher makes Hellgate look like RPGMaker2000.
It looks like its pretty much doing "average" in reviews. That means its really just going to be a matter of personal taste. If you like this style of gameplay, you will like HG. There really isn't anything "wrong" with the game.
The Witcher doesn't have multi-player does it?
Apples and Oranges. Any single player (or even multiplayer) RPG trashes any MMO when it comes to immersion and story. Pick any MMO and ask yourself if you would play it if it was single player only. I doubt any MMO could survive that test.
The worst thing the devs did was let that "mmo" moniker float around in the hype until it was too late for them to "correct" the eager buyers about the actual platform of the game. They let their greed for that mmo market tap prevent them from properly aiming the game at the game section it was truly suited for.Diablo and Diablo 2 are not mmos. Titan Quest is not an mmo. And accordingly, Hellgate is not an mmo.
I don't know a lot about HGL. Is it really an MMO? I thought it was just an online shooter.
No it is not an mmo. It is an action rpg with a multiplayer component. You can play it fps style if you want, or in third person. It can also be played offline singleplayer.
I'm sure no one cares and I probably won't sway anyone one way or another, but I'll throw my opinion out because why the hell not? :P
I'll start with a little background. I'm a full time student maintaining good grades. This is very time consuming, and I can just can't play games like WoW anymore. This game is perfect for me. When I get an hour or two free, I can hop on, blow up some demons and zombies, get some cool gear and log off. To me it is a wonderful stress relief and it is just fun. I have no problem paying the subscription fee to have new content added to a game that I think is fun to play.
I do see this game as getting repetitive if you lean toward the hardcore play style. (And I have done the whole raiding thing in WoW... I know what hardcore is) For the average player, who typically is not in the vocal minority, that has plenty of real life obligations, this game works well. There's nothing extremely revolutionary about it, but like I said above, it's just fun.
I just finished downloading my online purchased copy of HG:L about 18 hours ago, and spent the last 3 hours blasting my way through anything that would blow up and most things that wouldn't. Got my Evoker almost to level 6 just doing Single player mode, and I must say, it feels a lot like Half Life, which I absolutely loved.
Can't wait to try Multiplayer, though I doubt I'll be subscribing anytime soon. HG:L for me is going to be that game I roll into when I want a break from Guild Wars (don't really care about the extra goodies: just want a change of pace)..
I have found the skill tree a bit confusing, but that's probably because I've yet to crack a manual on the game. So far, though, I like what I see. It's simple, mindless escapism, which is just what I want after a long day of work.
Really, this thread maybe looks like a "hate" thread against Hellgate, but in reality I have nothing against this game. I understand it's fun for some people I guess it's a good relax. What I can't get over is that self-title RPG Authority Flagship call themselves.
I have no issue with whoever calls himself RPG authority. I have read too much reviews. I am going to take a plunge and buy it now. Logging off and going to pick up my copy.
If the game takes over my idle hours, I will not be online rambling here, for some time
I just wanted to say that I salute you for using failcat
Oh, and after trying Hellgate on a friend's PC for the better part of a week, I can say that although it is interesting in some ways I can't really say I feel that I want to purchase a copy of this to play online (note: I got 4 chars to 6, and an engineer to 19, and thats at least where I stand). It's just...its an okay game, but thats all I can say. It gets creative a few times, but the performance of this game, is absolutely in the crapper, to say the least. This was on an an 8600GT with an E6700 and 3 gigs of aggressive timing ram and this game stutters even low detail @ 1680x1050. Even Fury which used the UT3 engine didn't even lag remotely as much as this. It gets downright unplayable with lots of stuff going on (like sub 3FPS range).
Beyond crappy performance, they bleeped swear words. That's just sad for voice acting. Also, the game itself does look good, but its too linear all the way through to be interesting. Even Diablo 2 wasn't as forcefully linear as this game. This is like "you have 0 to do, whatsoever, other than the quest that moves you forward".
This game is better than Sliverfall, TwoWorlds, Loki, DawnofMagic, and all the other RPGs that had potential this year. This is the one of the few RPGs that has come out to this year that is fun! Being at the top of the turd pile doesn't make it any less of a turd, just a shinier brown. TheWitcher makes Hellgate look like RPGMaker2000.
It looks like its pretty much doing "average" in reviews. That means its really just going to be a matter of personal taste. If you like this style of gameplay, you will like HG. There really isn't anything "wrong" with the game.
The Witcher doesn't have multi-player does it?
Apples and Oranges. Any single player (or even multiplayer) RPG trashes any MMO when it comes to immersion and story. Pick any MMO and ask yourself if you would play it if it was single player only. I doubt any MMO could survive that test.
You're comparing Hellgate to an MMO. So, looks like you're mixing the fruits up, too.
Nope, Witcher doesn't have multi-player but it has a hell of alot more atmosphere, detail, and thought put into it than Hellgate. And since Hellgates' multi-player is, heh, less than spectacularly implemented, that pretty much enables the comparison between the two singleplayer games.
The worst thing the devs did was let that "mmo" moniker float around in the hype until it was too late for them to "correct" the eager buyers about the actual platform of the game. They let their greed for that mmo market tap prevent them from properly aiming the game at the game section it was truly suited for.Diablo and Diablo 2 are not mmos. Titan Quest is not an mmo. And accordingly, Hellgate is not an mmo.
There is a big difference between multi-player and mmo. And as far as Hellgate goes, it's not even the technological equivelant of Diablo as far as the server implementation and performance are concerned.
And the QA department seems to have been let go also, considering the slipshod patches they put out. If they had just labeled HG as a singleplayer, it would have went alot further. And it would have lasted alot longer than the lifespan I'm forseeing for it currently.
Meh, I just played the demo. It seemed "ok". Like I said, it seemed more like a preference issue to me more then anything else.
I haven't really read much into the MMO portion of the game. There are not many reviews out yet either. I go with the following 4 (PCGamer, Gamespy, Gamespot, and Games for Windows) There are to many other "reviewers" out there. Its averaging a 7.4...
Not great but not bad either I guess. I'm not going to go running out to buy it but I will definately keep it in mind. Call of Duty 4 is out. Nuff said. MMOs have to much competition from other genres that frankly are doing things much better. HG:L would have been better off distancing itself from the trainwreck ridden MMO genre. Just by being associated with it probably cost it points off the score lol....
I guess the point of this thread was the OP took offence to the makers getting called RPG authorities. Like no company ever did something like that....At different points SOE and Turbine both where very arrogant. Remember "DDO the MMO that changes everything" or the "unstoppable 500lb gorilla of gaming, EQ" when gamers speculated that nothing would ever outdo it (even though several Asian games already were at the time)???
I guess the point of this thread was the OP took offence to the makers getting called RPG authorities. Like no company ever did something like that....At different points SOE and Turbine both where very arrogant. Remember "DDO the MMO that changes everything"???
Heh, and now every developer from NCsoft on down to the Korean grind mill are all "The worlds' leading developer of mmorpgs". lol
And yeah, Witcher is more of a personal taste. So is any game, for that matter.
Far as COD 4, I'm gonna maybe get that in a week or so. Just picked up Gears of War.
Well I enjoyed Hellgate quite a bit but the bugs have really just made me table this game. I can't enjoy a game that freezed, crashes, and become unresponsive for 5-10 minutes at a time. Heh I'm pretty tollerant of bugs I played vanguard to lvl 47 but seriously HG needs some debugging. I made the run to temple station 3 times before I was able to get through and the last time I was pretty sure it was going to die. I'd be in the tunnels area and mobs would wander like they couldn't see me and the zone out portal was missing.... Being familiar with this condition I waited like 15 minutes for the portal to appear.
Generally the game reminds me of D2 in every way and I'd say if they got rid of the bugs and you liked D2 there isn't any question about liking this game. It is definitely D3 with a few twists.
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It looks like its pretty much doing "average" in reviews. That means its really just going to be a matter of personal taste. If you like this style of gameplay, you will like HG. There really isn't anything "wrong" with the game.The Witcher doesn't have multi-player does it?
Apples and Oranges. Any single player (or even multiplayer) RPG trashes any MMO when it comes to immersion and story. Pick any MMO and ask yourself if you would play it if it was single player only. I doubt any MMO could survive that test.
It looks like its pretty much doing "average" in reviews. That means its really just going to be a matter of personal taste. If you like this style of gameplay, you will like HG. There really isn't anything "wrong" with the game.The Witcher doesn't have multi-player does it?
Apples and Oranges. Any single player (or even multiplayer) RPG trashes any MMO when it comes to immersion and story. Pick any MMO and ask yourself if you would play it if it was single player only. I doubt any MMO could survive that test.
You're comparing Hellgate to an MMO. So, looks like you're mixing the fruits up, too.
Nope, Witcher doesn't have multi-player but it has a hell of alot more atmosphere, detail, and thought put into it than Hellgate. And since Hellgates' multi-player is, heh, less than spectacularly implemented, that pretty much enables the comparison between the two singleplayer games.
The worst thing the devs did was let that "mmo" moniker float around in the hype until it was too late for them to "correct" the eager buyers about the actual platform of the game. They let their greed for that mmo market tap prevent them from properly aiming the game at the game section it was truly suited for.Diablo and Diablo 2 are not mmos. Titan Quest is not an mmo. And accordingly, Hellgate is not an mmo.
There is a big difference between multi-player and mmo. And as far as Hellgate goes, it's not even the technological equivelant of Diablo as far as the server implementation and performance are concerned.
And the QA department seems to have been let go also, considering the slipshod patches they put out. If they had just labeled HG as a singleplayer, it would have went alot further. And it would have lasted alot longer than the lifespan I'm forseeing for it currently.
I love this game!! It has great action lots of explosions and mucho zombie bashing. What more could you want? Its kinda like the old nes Contra in hell with rpg elements. Im tired of WoW clones any ways.
To the posters that said it has no PvP, the devs stated that PvP is coming, I cant wait.
I'm not going to try to counter every point made by people who dont like the game. I like it, I have a lot of fun playing it. Grouping is great, the gameplay is fast and the weapon customizing is fun. I'm enjoying this game more than any I've played in over a year.
rofl, please dude. How can the retarded zerging of brainless monsters be compared to playing against REAL PEOPLE. Even the computer A.I in HF2, Fear..etc and various fps games are so much better than yr hellgate london.
And you know what. Real gamers want a great story to go with their awesome game. Good for you, if u like mashing yr left button with yr brain inside the closet.
try harder.
Reading comprehension is not as hard as you may think.
Let me make it simple for you...
In HG:L, you have your selection of weaponry to use. You click, or hold the mouse button down, and generally run about trying to hit the mobs while not being hit. There are, of course the skills which you can use to augment your running around, and hitting mobs while not being hit yourself. Also, pets. And the RTS mission in Act 2. However, at it's basic core is essentially the same run and gun gameplay that is found in any other FPS by and large.
Hell, Portal is probably the most fun I've had with an FPS in forever, and even as original, fun, and just damned awesome the gameplay was, there's really only what, a handfull of things you can do with the portal gun?
See, this has exactly... Wait for it... ZERO to do with whether you're playing against the AI, or another player. The game mechanics remain the same. And they are, in fact, repetetive, as there is only so much you can do with the available weaponry. Therefore, decrying HG:L for having repetetive gameplay, but not leveling the same accusation against HL2, TF2, or any other FPS is disingenous at best.
As for accusing someone of having their brain in the closet, you should probably write out complete words before questioning anyone elses intelligence.
Let ME make this simpler for YOU since you seem to have terrible overall reading skills yourself. You seem to have failed to answer the following quoted question with your stupid portal gun analogy:
"rofl, please dude. How can the retarded zerging of brainless monsters be compared to playing against REAL PEOPLE"
The argument is not what you can do with different weapons. It's actually what you can do when playing VS players compared to playing VS NPCs, in which your retarded and blatant portal gun analogy fails. The feature of being able to combat with AND against other players creates a highly dynamic environment unlike smashing through 130 AI zombies.
As for flaming the quoted poster's word-abilities, I suggest you check your own vocabulary and don't use big words that you can't even spell right, Mr. Disingenuous.
Yep, I didn't answer his post about fighting other players vs fighting AI. Seeing as that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. Which was about core gameplay being repetetive. Core gameplay doesn't suddenly change because you switch from fighting AI to other players.
Kudos for catching the spelling error, though, Columbo. It's clearly the same as using u, and yr purposely.
Sadly, you missed the fact that I left out the apostrophe in 'else's'.
So...
Hellgate on the other hand I've been reading about and discussing and watching previews and trailers for the last two years. This and Quake Wars have been the biggest titles on my Hypometer for 2007.
You guys must of lived under a rock then. Vanguard was hyped on every MMO related site for years. It was hyped in PC Gamer.
Vanguard was not even selling in my country I had to order it from England, whereas Hellgate is all over the place. Sure that's a strategy of the distributor here. In gameclubs all over this place, people atm either play WoW or Hellgate (usually 13-16 kids screaming on each other). Vanguard is not even installed on the computers. The few big words that Brad said in a couple of interviews is not overhype. Overhype is the amount of money spent on advertisment.As you know VG sigil ran out of money and they had absolutely no money on additional advertisment during release. There were no VG banners no VG posters in shops no nothing. Even the manuals in the boxes were pretty... nonexistent unless you consider 10 page installation guide as a manual.
REALITY CHECK
I don't know a lot about HGL. Is it really an MMO? I thought it was just an online shooter.
It looks like its pretty much doing "average" in reviews. That means its really just going to be a matter of personal taste. If you like this style of gameplay, you will like HG. There really isn't anything "wrong" with the game.The Witcher doesn't have multi-player does it?
Apples and Oranges. Any single player (or even multiplayer) RPG trashes any MMO when it comes to immersion and story. Pick any MMO and ask yourself if you would play it if it was single player only. I doubt any MMO could survive that test.
The worst thing the devs did was let that "mmo" moniker float around in the hype until it was too late for them to "correct" the eager buyers about the actual platform of the game. They let their greed for that mmo market tap prevent them from properly aiming the game at the game section it was truly suited for.Diablo and Diablo 2 are not mmos. Titan Quest is not an mmo. And accordingly, Hellgate is not an mmo.
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-Currently looking forward to FFXIV
-Currently playing EvE and Global Agenda
No it is not an mmo. It is an action rpg with a multiplayer component. You can play it fps style if you want, or in third person. It can also be played offline singleplayer.
I'm sure no one cares and I probably won't sway anyone one way or another, but I'll throw my opinion out because why the hell not? :P
I'll start with a little background. I'm a full time student maintaining good grades. This is very time consuming, and I can just can't play games like WoW anymore. This game is perfect for me. When I get an hour or two free, I can hop on, blow up some demons and zombies, get some cool gear and log off. To me it is a wonderful stress relief and it is just fun. I have no problem paying the subscription fee to have new content added to a game that I think is fun to play.
I do see this game as getting repetitive if you lean toward the hardcore play style. (And I have done the whole raiding thing in WoW... I know what hardcore is) For the average player, who typically is not in the vocal minority, that has plenty of real life obligations, this game works well. There's nothing extremely revolutionary about it, but like I said above, it's just fun.
I just finished downloading my online purchased copy of HG:L about 18 hours ago, and spent the last 3 hours blasting my way through anything that would blow up and most things that wouldn't. Got my Evoker almost to level 6 just doing Single player mode, and I must say, it feels a lot like Half Life, which I absolutely loved.
Can't wait to try Multiplayer, though I doubt I'll be subscribing anytime soon. HG:L for me is going to be that game I roll into when I want a break from Guild Wars (don't really care about the extra goodies: just want a change of pace)..
I have found the skill tree a bit confusing, but that's probably because I've yet to crack a manual on the game. So far, though, I like what I see. It's simple, mindless escapism, which is just what I want after a long day of work.
Really, this thread maybe looks like a "hate" thread against Hellgate, but in reality I have nothing against this game. I understand it's fun for some people I guess it's a good relax. What I can't get over is that self-title RPG Authority Flagship call themselves.
REALITY CHECK
I have no issue with whoever calls himself RPG authority. I have read too much reviews. I am going to take a plunge and buy it now. Logging off and going to pick up my copy.
If the game takes over my idle hours, I will not be online rambling here, for some time
I just wanted to say that I salute you for using failcat
Oh, and after trying Hellgate on a friend's PC for the better part of a week, I can say that although it is interesting in some ways I can't really say I feel that I want to purchase a copy of this to play online (note: I got 4 chars to 6, and an engineer to 19, and thats at least where I stand). It's just...its an okay game, but thats all I can say. It gets creative a few times, but the performance of this game, is absolutely in the crapper, to say the least. This was on an an 8600GT with an E6700 and 3 gigs of aggressive timing ram and this game stutters even low detail @ 1680x1050. Even Fury which used the UT3 engine didn't even lag remotely as much as this. It gets downright unplayable with lots of stuff going on (like sub 3FPS range).
Beyond crappy performance, they bleeped swear words. That's just sad for voice acting. Also, the game itself does look good, but its too linear all the way through to be interesting. Even Diablo 2 wasn't as forcefully linear as this game. This is like "you have 0 to do, whatsoever, other than the quest that moves you forward".
/rant
It looks like its pretty much doing "average" in reviews. That means its really just going to be a matter of personal taste. If you like this style of gameplay, you will like HG. There really isn't anything "wrong" with the game.The Witcher doesn't have multi-player does it?
Apples and Oranges. Any single player (or even multiplayer) RPG trashes any MMO when it comes to immersion and story. Pick any MMO and ask yourself if you would play it if it was single player only. I doubt any MMO could survive that test.
You're comparing Hellgate to an MMO. So, looks like you're mixing the fruits up, too.
Nope, Witcher doesn't have multi-player but it has a hell of alot more atmosphere, detail, and thought put into it than Hellgate. And since Hellgates' multi-player is, heh, less than spectacularly implemented, that pretty much enables the comparison between the two singleplayer games.
The worst thing the devs did was let that "mmo" moniker float around in the hype until it was too late for them to "correct" the eager buyers about the actual platform of the game. They let their greed for that mmo market tap prevent them from properly aiming the game at the game section it was truly suited for.Diablo and Diablo 2 are not mmos. Titan Quest is not an mmo. And accordingly, Hellgate is not an mmo.
There is a big difference between multi-player and mmo. And as far as Hellgate goes, it's not even the technological equivelant of Diablo as far as the server implementation and performance are concerned.
And the QA department seems to have been let go also, considering the slipshod patches they put out. If they had just labeled HG as a singleplayer, it would have went alot further. And it would have lasted alot longer than the lifespan I'm forseeing for it currently.
Meh, I just played the demo. It seemed "ok". Like I said, it seemed more like a preference issue to me more then anything else.
I haven't really read much into the MMO portion of the game. There are not many reviews out yet either. I go with the following 4 (PCGamer, Gamespy, Gamespot, and Games for Windows) There are to many other "reviewers" out there. Its averaging a 7.4...
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/hellgatelondon/review.html?mode=web&om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;theysay
Not great but not bad either I guess. I'm not going to go running out to buy it but I will definately keep it in mind. Call of Duty 4 is out. Nuff said. MMOs have to much competition from other genres that frankly are doing things much better. HG:L would have been better off distancing itself from the trainwreck ridden MMO genre. Just by being associated with it probably cost it points off the score lol....
I guess the point of this thread was the OP took offence to the makers getting called RPG authorities. Like no company ever did something like that....At different points SOE and Turbine both where very arrogant. Remember "DDO the MMO that changes everything" or the "unstoppable 500lb gorilla of gaming, EQ" when gamers speculated that nothing would ever outdo it (even though several Asian games already were at the time)???
And yeah, Witcher is more of a personal taste. So is any game, for that matter.
Far as COD 4, I'm gonna maybe get that in a week or so. Just picked up Gears of War.
Well I enjoyed Hellgate quite a bit but the bugs have really just made me table this game. I can't enjoy a game that freezed, crashes, and become unresponsive for 5-10 minutes at a time. Heh I'm pretty tollerant of bugs I played vanguard to lvl 47 but seriously HG needs some debugging. I made the run to temple station 3 times before I was able to get through and the last time I was pretty sure it was going to die. I'd be in the tunnels area and mobs would wander like they couldn't see me and the zone out portal was missing.... Being familiar with this condition I waited like 15 minutes for the portal to appear.
Generally the game reminds me of D2 in every way and I'd say if they got rid of the bugs and you liked D2 there isn't any question about liking this game. It is definitely D3 with a few twists.
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Ethion