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Resubscribed after 4 months - Impressions
Morgaur
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So I was eager to play something and resubbed to Vanguard again. Its been 4 monts since I've tried it now, and excitingly logged on.
Well my character was still there, hooray. I have a 28 Cleric named Wolf on Halgar. To my excitement I noticed that performance was much better than before. I have a 8800GTS card with Vista 64 which dropped me to desktop now and then earlier. But now, after 4 months it seems that things have been happening. No CTD's after 3 hour playing. Thats good.
Cranking the game up to maximum on everything worked as a charm 
Sooooo I joined a full team in TK, healing with my Clerical spirits. Fighting of one mob, 2 mobs, 20 mobs until the team was going over a small crest where those 5 dots spiders are in there. 3 of us managed to get up this tiny tiny crest on that hill. The rest was stuck 1 meter below the others. Levitation didnt work, rope didnt work, we got stuck in the terrain, tried to Levitate off everything down there to no avail.
So there we were. A full team, pissed off that we couldnt get further in because of a tiny tiny 5 degrees steep hill. So we got more pissed off.
This piece of crap actually destroyed my game time tonight, not wanting me to play anymore. It broke up a very good group and made all of us angry. When evaccing half of us was left even tho we were standing like 2 meter apart from the rest of the team. All sat down at the stone and logged out, cursing this crap.
Now I remember why I left this game. Its not worth it, and VG is already deinstalled from my computer. Last time I tried to survive the game gave up because I fell through the world a zillion times and die horribly trying to get my tomb stone. That was the drop that time,
Unfortunately this thing just pulled me mentally straight back to that exact moment.
Sayonara!
Comments
Rather than getting pissed and logged some would see that as a challenge. I have had several smaller races I grouped with get stuck in spots in TK. Most time rope worked sometimes it did not. Other times we summoned people. You do know clerics have summon? Did you try and summon your teammates from below?
Are you one of those people who leaves a group when you die the first time or a group wipes out?
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Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
You are not going to believe this, OP, but I am glad you quit Vanguard because grouping with players like you undermines my experience when you
Vanguard is probably the most challenging MMORPG I have played, second only to Everquest 2. One of its features that I find to be appealing is the fact that it is challenging.
Performance is one reason to quit, inter alia. Frustration because you are challenged is altogether an entirely different matter. Seriously, LotR and WoW are a lot easier. EQ 2 is a lot easier and I think "deeper" than LotR and WoW combined.
It might be me with my background in Everquest 1, but I prefer immersion and challenge over simplicity and ease-of-gameplay.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I find myself very rarely getting stuck like that, every now and then using the stuck command will drop you into a place where you need to be. or coming at it from a different angle and using a rope. Summoning is the easiest way I would imagine. To completely forget about the game because of 1 slight mishap is..... strange.... to say the least. If that were the case I would stop playing pretty much every game I play right now, cause most games - if not all - have bugs.
Very true, however other games have nowhere near the amount of frustrating bugs the OP talked about, as in VG. I played VG since beta phase 2 and I just logged in 4 days ago after being gone for over 2 months. The game has not improved as much as some people say. There are still glaring issues with the game, and I find it hard to pay $15 a month for a game that should still be in beta...Except SWG lol because that game had character, no matter how screwed up it was.....and character will get you far ; )
Ok Im gonna try to answer a couple of you guys here as friendly as I can, even though it is hard to stay polite after reading utter crap about my playstyle and character that you in fact knows squat about.
Sevenwind
Rather than getting pissed and logged some would see that as a challenge
So the bugs are there to give me a challenge? I thought the content was there to give me a challenge. Sorry I do not see this as a challenge. I perceive this as a major game breaking annoyance that broke up a very very good group. Thats what pissed me and the team off.
You do know clerics have summon?
Of course hehe. Unfortunately I was on the painful end of the stick, otherwise I would just summon them of course.
Are you one of those people who leaves a group when you die the first time or a group wipes out?
Sorry dude. I have no problems dying and always just says "Shit happens dont worry", even tho it was a very very bad pull or ppl dont pay attention.
truenorthbg
Lol I have to say this again m8. Content should be challenging, and some of it is more so than both WoW and EQ2. But I dont find it challenging and fun to see that a very good group break up because of something like this. That is not challenging, but pure self torture. Im happy that I leave VG too.
And just for the record. Im not easily frustrated. I have beta tested a handful of Mmo's since Anarchy Online and to do that you cannot be easily frustrated. On the other hand Im no beta tester in this game. Im paying for it. Read above for answer to nr 2 on your list. I guess you call it a challenge the last time I quit to XP loss after falling 5-6 times to my death throught the world. I call it game breaking
maskedweasel
Agree with you. Most games have bugs. In this case it was destroying a very good team, and because I hade issues with this trouble earlier when I played it got even more to me hehe
Conclusion
I was kinda sad when I deinstalled the game. I know now that I will never play Vanguard again, unfortunately. I had a awesome time doing the Hunters League quests until all my troubles began after travelling to NT and north 4 monts ago. Another thing that was interesting is that this is prime time European play time and the servers was lightly populated.
Whats going to happen when WAR and AoC hit us with their releases. I dont think this game will survive to be honest. Too bad, I loved "The Vision"
I am not trying to persuade you of anything. After reading your comments here and elsewhere (about TR) you seem easily frustrated and perhaps need a break for "gaming." Alternatively, you should consider other games such as EQ 2, WoW, or LotR.
You have difficultly 1) staying polite and 2) felt sad but claim 3) you are not easily frustrated. I believe you.
In case you do not "get it," the issue has a lot less to do with Vanguard or TR and more to do with YOU.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I am not trying to persuade you of anything. After reading your comments here and elsewhere (about TR) you seem easily frustrated and perhaps need a break for "gaming." Alternatively, you should consider other games such as EQ 2, WoW, or LotR.
You have difficultly 1) staying polite and 2) felt sad but claim 3) you are not easily frustrated. I believe you.
In case you do not "get it," the issue has a lot less to do with Vanguard or TR and more to do with YOU.
Sorry about the non politeness. Normally Im quite relaxed and I hate being an asshole. Sorry about that
I was just so damn frustrated that I again wanted to leave the game over the same old thing. That's what ticket me off.
And you are somewhat correct in that last sentence. But it should be like this: The issues have everything do do with Vanguard, and less to do with me.
Riddle me this.
Is it ok that the game broke a very good group, who had spent alot of time fighting the good content in this game?
Should we spend 30 more minutes fighting our way to find another route because of a bug?
And no thanks to WoW, EQ1 and EQ2. I've done them both, as well as AO, horizons, EvE, Lineage 2 and Ryzom.
I have tried Lord of the Rings and downloading the trial client again. Gonna go with that for a while. It was at least playable
No thanks.
I think you want me to engage in psychoanalysis exploring the contours of your brain with your guidance to determine whether it is YOU or the game. I do not need to that because I have read what you have said about Vanguard and TR. [When you get frustrated, you 1) quit and 2) post about it.]
There is nothing wrong playing LotR. I disliked it. You get easily frustrated (and you have Vista!). It is better for YOU and ME that you play LotR or WoW because when you get a little bump on your head in gaming (or life) you get easily frustrated.
Your frustration frustrates me (in-game) but amuses me here.
Good luck! (I really mean it)
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
The original poster was hampered by a bug (after giving the game a second chance) and you call it a challenge and insinuate that he is somehow bad for your gaming? No offense mate, but it is exactly that kind of mindset that keeps gaming companies under the impression they can release games in such sad states and get away with it.
More power to you if you don't let game flaws stop you, but that doesn't mean everyone should view them as some sort of task or level of difficulty and are somehow whiny quitters form not just quietly accepting them. That is one of the most ridiculous notions I have ever heard to be fully honest.
When did it become a bad thing to expect a functional product?
As for TK in VG that place is very buggy if you are a small race. I grouped with several people who got stuck in rocks or other things there. You know what, they got ropped, summoned, or /stuck and got summoned back into group. A minor inconvience and we're back on track. I don't experience it daily and to give up after ONE incident is beyond me, but I've grouped with people who will immediatly drop group without a word the moment they die.
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Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
I know the exact location the OP is talking about. Sadly, you technically aren't supposed to get up right there (it's a shortcut that bypasses a lot of enemies). If you run at just the right angle when facing the hill you can glitch up it.
There aren't many locations you can do this - but for you to get frustrated and quit over just THAT really tells me something. I find it rather comical, too - seeing as you could have gone 20 feet the other direction and fought your way back up to where that hill leads.
Like others have said - take a gaming break and cool your temper and/or frustrations before playing a game that requires any thought at all.
Bitching about a small bug, in a game that was riddled with them, and was hardly even playable at launch is beyond me. SOE has made leaps and bounds with this game, and I think are doing a great job picking up the pieces, and cleaning up the mess that Sigil left for them. I can actually play the game on my mid-range rig these days, without it looking like a slideshow. The performance is 100 times better than it was at launch, and countless bugs have been fixed since then. SOE is extremely aware that much work is still to be done on the game, concerning bugs, content, and performance, and have said so in interviews. It is finally becoming the game I have followed since conception.
Did I mention that it was not only me who quit? The entire group was pissed off and logged. We tried everything to get up there.
Anyway, I dont care. Its my impression not yours
You can smack talk all you want. Still doesent change the fact that AGAIN i left the game with the SAME type of problem which took away the small sparkle of hope hehe.
Have fun in there in plastic land
As for TK in VG that place is very buggy if you are a small race. I grouped with several people who got stuck in rocks or other things there. You know what, they got ropped, summoned, or /stuck and got summoned back into group. A minor inconvience and we're back on track. I don't experience it daily and to give up after ONE incident is beyond me, but I've grouped with people who will immediatly drop group without a word the moment they die.
It isn't like this is the first problem the original poster encountered is it? He/she said it was his second chance with Vanguard. I doubt they had a bug free ride on their first trip and just got the impression that not enough had changed based on actually playing the game.
I don't think anyone is saying the game hasn't improved. Just that some might find it hasn't improved enough.
The OP becomes easily frustrated.
He is basically buying games and gets a little bump on his head then 1) quits and 2) posts about it. If you read the OP's other posts, as I have, you will see this is something he does. It has a lot less to do with the game (TR, Vanguard, e.g.) than with the POSTER.
It is not a "review" at all. It reads like, "Dear Diary, I bought TR and quit. [Day Two] Dear Diary, I bought Vanguard and quit." That is not a review. For a review, c.f.: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/157317
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Ok, I read all history and don't see the twisted background you do.
Played EVE and said it was the best MMO he ever played.
He tried and didn't like TR, can't say I blame him. The game is really one dimensional and lacks a lot. 1 total post in the TR forums... Meh.
He has played vanguard and has a 28 cleric from the original post. In fact most of his posts a couple months back are about liking the game despite the bugs (see the trend?). This is his third trip back to the game to see how things have progressed.
Tell me how long someone has to play a game before they are allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours?
When someone lists not crashing to desktop in 3 hours of gameplay as a highlight, then I think they have had more than they share of troubles with a game. Calling it a little bump on the head is being obtuse.
I didnt relize trying to bypass content by exploiting tarrian was a bug, you think maybe your not suppose to be able to get by that part unless you clear the way first, just a thought
I think that is a great point; i.e., he did not even encounter a bug. My view he is trying to
To Daffid, yes, I see the trend. Worst of all, however, is writing a "dear diary" vent on MMORPG and in the title claiming it is a "review." In my view, that is 1) dishonest and 2) misleading; but we might have different backgrounds on these matters.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I didn't see any quitting WoW/Lotro threads did you? So he didn't like Tabula Rasa and found Vanguard to still be to buggy for his tastes (I won't say he is exploiting as I don't know the area, but it doesn't sound like an exploit). It isn't like he is the only person having trouble finding a game to enjoy right now.
His post history is over 2 year with what less than 30 posts? Not exactly what I would call a trend, but if it helps you see him as discredited for having a different view than yours I guess that is fine. I notice you gloss over the games he says he did like which include Vanguard.
We could squabble over him not being hardcore enough to battle through bugs and it ruining your immersion, but that doesn't change what he and several others in his group experienced. *shrug*
You are missing the point, and I suspect trying to "argue to argue about arguing."
Overall, 1) it was not a bug that supposedly caused him to quit and 2) his post is not a "review." It is a "dear diary, here is why I quit Vanguard" but called a review.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
It sure sounds like a bug to me and some other people in this thread who said that area is buggy. Regardless of if the devs intended it or not, some people can do it and other get stuck in the geometry. Pretty textbook if you ask me.
Who cares how many games he quits? Seriously, how long does someone have to play a game before you are willing to grant them permission to post an IMPRESSION (not review, impression). Does he have to trudge through TR even though he found it lacking?
He posted 1 post about not likely TR and 1 post about bad experience in Vanguard. Wow, he sure it terrible.
You on the other hand have gone to no limits to attack the person posting an impression (not sure why you keep calling it a review) and completely ignoring what he is posting about (edit: keep in mind he wasn't alone in the frustration there). Perhaps his isn't the posting history you should be questioning....
I think you are really missing the point.
1. It is not a review.
2. It is not a bug (at least I do not think so).
3. I do not fully comprehend or understand your posts (might be me and not you, but I doubt it).
4. Frustration
He is easily frustrated and quits as a result. I suspected this when i read his original post because it was misleadingly titled "review." The OP changes MMOs faster than I change socks.
5. I am not going to engage in a psychological pursuit to determine whether it is HIM or the game; his history with 1) joining games, 2) getting frustrated, 3) quitting games, and 4) posting about it resolves that issue for ME.
I have not attacked the OP, and in fact he has apologized to me for being impolite.
I know a review when I read one. I know an attack on a game titled "review" when I see one as well. If you do not want me to hold you accountable, then do not post 1) misleading or 2) dishonest information.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
You sure do like numbering things.
I don't have a problem with it, I just think its kinda funny.
You sure do like numbering things.
I don't have a problem with it, I just think its kinda funny.
Tell me about it!It is a habit I have recently gotten into and cannot seem to get away from.
I think it can be effective though: i try to be 1) clear and 2) direct.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.