Don't you find that your PVP-needs are satisfied by the new player-vs-player arena events?
Well, quite honestly, since I quit over a year ago, I haven't experienced the arena first hand. However I have watched my son play and it doesn't seem to appeal. I don't actually enjoy PVP for its own sake...I like having clear objectives to pursue and defend.
My background is Lineage 1/2, DAOC and Shadowbane prior to coming to WOW. In all of those games players control territory, (which imparts benefits to those who control it) and actively work to take it from others, or deny them access to it.
WOW doesn't seem to have anything like this as far as I can tell...which is why I'm currently playing EVE and helping my Alliance protect our little corner of space and terrorize our enemies.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Guild heavy end game, simplistic / worthless crafting, end game only focused devs, & blind followers that take no critisism even when its right on spot. Nothing wrong with hating a game when the game doesn't suit your needs.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I hate the dev's of the game. All you have to do to make your class more powerful than another is cry a lot on their forums. It's just one big game of tug-o-war.
And let's not even talk about the expansions they're making. Oh wow, you're introducing realm vs realm pvp with destructible buildings? I've NEVER seen that before in ANY other game! *sarcasm*
WTF was I playing from level 1 though 69 then?!?! In all reality.. the game ENDS when you reach 70 (cause then its just the same old Sh... over and over again).
I hate the bias towards tweens/young teens (this game brings a serious case of it out!), I played this game in middle school/early high school, doesn't mean I was immature, my friends dad played, he was a arrogant immature prick.
Though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays. -Sun Tzu, the Art of War
I was hoping for more RvR type PVP wear you could fight over land ala DAOC or AO. You know pvp were guilds could hold land or whatever and then have to fight to keep it or take it from others.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
...The WoW community. I find it young, immature, horribly selfish and makes grouping a royal pain.
This is technically two sentences.
And there is no single community in WoW. Level up past Barrens and join a guild that has an age requirement or something (there are many), and you'll be fine.
PC gamers are not kids, they're mostly adults. Some kids, yeah, but the whole kiddie thing is just an exaggeration by people with a superiority complex. Old school EQ players will remember "burned woods", and the newbie beggars, and all of that stuff.
The whole "my MMO is more mature" than WoW is pure hype. People are people, and only the insecure need to group people into arbitrary levels of maturity.
You may scoff now but with experience you're likely to fall into agreement with this point of view.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
...The WoW community. I find it young, immature, horribly selfish and makes grouping a royal pain.
This is technically two sentences.
And there is no single community in WoW. Level up past Barrens and join a guild that has an age requirement or something (there are many), and you'll be fine.
PC gamers are not kids, they're mostly adults. Some kids, yeah, but the whole kiddie thing is just an exaggeration by people with a superiority complex. Old school EQ players will remember "burned woods", and the newbie beggars, and all of that stuff.
The whole "my MMO is more mature" than WoW is pure hype. People are people, and only the insecure need to group people into arbitrary levels of maturity.
You may scoff now but with experience you're likely to fall into agreement with this point of view.
There is some truth in what you say - but only up to a point.
The WoW community is divided into two broad server groupings: US and European. There is very little cross-over between them. I have found these two communites to be very, very different in nature and quality.
When I first played WoW in the UK, I did so on the invitation of my old Guild mates from a different game. They were predominantly American. I played the free trial for a fortnight with these friends and found the general US community friendly, interesting and productive - in age it seems to be around 16-25 though there are many older players too.
However, at the end of my free trial, the discs I had bought compelled me to play on a European server. The European WoW community is a very different kettle of fish. I have played on five or six different Euro servers (all English-speaking - I have not tried the French, Spanish or Russian servers). Invariably, there is a large Scandinavian element with Swedes predominating - and in two years' playing, on and off, I have never met a player older than 18 with the average age on Euro-servers being, from my own (far from scientific) observations, around 14.
My experiences with this community have mostly been poor. I find the majority of players on the Euroservers to be aggressive, crass and horribly selfish. Grouping is a nightmare, ninja-ing is commonplace, players drop from groups whenever they feel like it, there is plenty of begging going on, spamming and concerted harrassment at almost all levels. I have tried joining some guilds - hought not one of the major, long-established guilds - but found that there was not much going on. The only guild that wanted to use my L70 priest, would not allow me to roll for priest gear on raids because that was a privilege reserved for guild officers who had stonger claims. Eventually, I was asked to leave the guild because my equipment was not strong enough.
Obviously, there are individual, heroic exceptions to the mainstream of my experience. However, I am longterm player of other MMOs including SWG (pre/post NGE), EQ2, CoV/H and Eve - and in every case found the communities far more attractive, welcoming and engaging.
I cannot believe that my negative experience of the Euro-WoW community is shared only by myself.
I hate wow because it's better than any other freaking mmorpg on the market atm, each time you try out another mmo all you can think of is; "okay blizzard did this better, that too, and this?? what the hell is that anyway???!!!".
one of my friends who stopped wow couldn't have said it better; "there's no other mmorpg on the market worth a damn, guess we are left to wait for Age of Conan" But i kinda fear that the next wow expansion will somehow finds it's way on our desk anyway, because before tbc came i was like "pfft haven't played wow for months and won't buy that expansion....." 2 days after release i had bought that damn expansion and i didn't regret buying it.
Wow is just too good, too funny, too much quality entertainment in any case, may it be a very very retarded person asking the most stupid question that makes you go like; "haha oh yes, this game really brings people from all the corners of the world here"... a broad selection of all kinds of people makes wow more vivid, alive, and most of all FUN.
I hate wow because it's better than any other freaking mmorpg on the market atm, each time you try out another mmo all you can think of is; "okay blizzard did this better, that too, and this?? what the hell is that anyway???!!!".
one of my friends who stopped wow couldn't have said it better; "there's no other mmorpg on the market worth a damn, guess we are left to wait for Age of Conan" But i kinda fear that the next wow expansion will somehow finds it's way on our desk anyway, because before tbc came i was like "pfft haven't played wow for months and won't buy that expansion....." 2 days after release i had bought that damn expansion and i didn't regret buying it.
Wow is just too good, too funny, too much quality entertainment in any case, may it be a very very retarded person asking the most stupid question that makes you go like; "haha oh yes, this game really brings people from all the corners of the world here"... a broad selection of all kinds of people makes wow more vivid, alive, and most of all FUN.
Be cool, man. No-one is saying that WoW isn't an excellent game, perhaps even the best out there. This thread though is just about the ONE thing you don't like about it. No need for the full-on fanboi counter-attack.
Basically, been there done that in the past. And the same saying goes for over three or so years in WoW. I'm convinced that these types of fantasy games are just a mere phase that will eventually fade. And finally, developers will begin creating more original content over what we usually see, that being: Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes, the like. The majority of the MMORPG population are most attracted to the growing trend. I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed WoW for a long time, and played since release. It's just time for something new, and my subscription has been canceled since a couple weeks ago.
Sorry, I know all of that wasn't one sentence. But, I needed to throw in some more.
Listing one thing, in one sentence, is very limiting.
I think more of a point/counter point format would work better if we are to learn anything from this thread, so here goes.
1) Sub-par graphics:
a) I personally don’t see this as much of an issue because I suffer greatly from “Uncanny Valley” (google search) and find that the ‘better’ the character graphics, the less likely I am to play the game because I don’t require photo-realistic humans in my game... I get plenty of photo-realistic humans in my day-to-day life. But, you have to admit that they’ve worked something close to a miracle with the Chaos Engine (http://www.chaosgameengine.com/) which the game is built on and the art direction is top notch.
b) The sub-par graphics in WoW are the ‘secret sauce’ which has allowed the game to reach such a stratospheric number of players… It runs passably on a PIII-800 with a video card made five years ago, which in turn opened the doors to around 5-6 million Asian gamers who don’t have access, in general, to 8800GTX based multi-gigahertz multi-core gaming systems.
2) Community:
a) The community in WoW really sucks.
b) The community on the Internet really sucks and WoW is simply a victim of the Internet not requiring a license to operate… The ‘Eternal September’ was truer than anyone was willing to admit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September).
3) Game Mechanics:
a) A broad category which includes everything from ‘grind’ and ‘raiding’ to ‘easy mode PvP’ and ‘gear-based combat’.
b) Any game mechanic in WoW has been gone over with a fine toothed comb by a crack team of marketing folks and psychologists for the sole purpose of keeping people playing the game. As with any game, the people who actually ‘made’ the game initially either moved on when it hit the shelves or were laid off shortly thereafter… This is the terrible truth of the games industry and for the most part is the reason most games have a ‘re-design’ about six months after release and generally tend to suck thereafter.
4) Games Industry Impact:
a) WoW has nearly single-handedly destroyed the MMO space simply due to its success. Where it used to be that one could get VC for a “virtual world” with little more than a grand idea and some friends who wrote code with the expectation to hit around 100,000 users and therefore make silly money on the investment – now the MMO must be ‘triple-A’ budgeted and have an IP that cost more than the entire development budget of EQ… And if it hits less than 2 million, it is a failure.
b) WoW’s success has created about 3 million MMO players out of thin air. The games phenomenal success has, in fact, created many, many more MMO players who will eventually play something else.
Comments
It's a toss up for me between:
"end game raids are 4+ hours with 24-man plus group sizes"
and
"the world is static and unchanging." (i.e. Ironforge can never get sacked, that pig will always be at spot x, etc)
Don't you find that your PVP-needs are satisfied by the new player-vs-player arena events?
Well, quite honestly, since I quit over a year ago, I haven't experienced the arena first hand. However I have watched my son play and it doesn't seem to appeal. I don't actually enjoy PVP for its own sake...I like having clear objectives to pursue and defend.
My background is Lineage 1/2, DAOC and Shadowbane prior to coming to WOW. In all of those games players control territory, (which imparts benefits to those who control it) and actively work to take it from others, or deny them access to it.
WOW doesn't seem to have anything like this as far as I can tell...which is why I'm currently playing EVE and helping my Alliance protect our little corner of space and terrorize our enemies.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
______________ MMO took this or that from WoW.
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Guild heavy end game, simplistic / worthless crafting, end game only focused devs, & blind followers that take no critisism even when its right on spot. Nothing wrong with hating a game when the game doesn't suit your needs.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I hate the dev's of the game. All you have to do to make your class more powerful than another is cry a lot on their forums. It's just one big game of tug-o-war.
And let's not even talk about the expansions they're making. Oh wow, you're introducing realm vs realm pvp with destructible buildings? I've NEVER seen that before in ANY other game! *sarcasm*
"The Endgame is when the game really begins"
WTF was I playing from level 1 though 69 then?!?! In all reality.. the game ENDS when you reach 70 (cause then its just the same old Sh... over and over again).
How about 2 words:
End Game
The community has more retards than a retard convention in Retardville on Saint Retard's Day.
Other than that, it's a great game.
I hate the bias towards tweens/young teens (this game brings a serious case of it out!), I played this game in middle school/early high school, doesn't mean I was immature, my friends dad played, he was a arrogant immature prick.
Though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
The PVP
I was hoping for more RvR type PVP wear you could fight over land ala DAOC or AO. You know pvp were guilds could hold land or whatever and then have to fight to keep it or take it from others.
------------------------------
You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
The endless grind.
You should do stuff coz you enjoy it not becouse you have to so you get gear so you can do the stuff that you like.
A life? Where can I download one of those?
The overwhelming success it gained & holds that (imo) pressures developing high budget MMOGs.
Well WoW in beta was super sweet but after that when they hit 1mil mark they game went down hill.
What do i hate about WoW?
It's not like old school mmos it has ripped off old ideas(that is fine to barrow and such)and turned good ideas into ones that don't work.
Playing: Everthing
Played: DAoC,AC2,EvE,SWG,WAR,MXO,CoX,EQ2,L2,LOTRO,SB,UO,WoW.
I have played every MMO that has ever come out.
Umm... the whole thing really.
The lack of imagination from people hating it.
And there is no single community in WoW. Level up past Barrens and join a guild that has an age requirement or something (there are many), and you'll be fine.
PC gamers are not kids, they're mostly adults. Some kids, yeah, but the whole kiddie thing is just an exaggeration by people with a superiority complex. Old school EQ players will remember "burned woods", and the newbie beggars, and all of that stuff.
The whole "my MMO is more mature" than WoW is pure hype. People are people, and only the insecure need to group people into arbitrary levels of maturity.
You may scoff now but with experience you're likely to fall into agreement with this point of view.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Why would anyone wanna be mature? Tryed it, not fun!
I don't even need a sentence.
Grinding.
And there is no single community in WoW. Level up past Barrens and join a guild that has an age requirement or something (there are many), and you'll be fine.
PC gamers are not kids, they're mostly adults. Some kids, yeah, but the whole kiddie thing is just an exaggeration by people with a superiority complex. Old school EQ players will remember "burned woods", and the newbie beggars, and all of that stuff.
The whole "my MMO is more mature" than WoW is pure hype. People are people, and only the insecure need to group people into arbitrary levels of maturity.
You may scoff now but with experience you're likely to fall into agreement with this point of view.
There is some truth in what you say - but only up to a point.
The WoW community is divided into two broad server groupings: US and European. There is very little cross-over between them. I have found these two communites to be very, very different in nature and quality.
When I first played WoW in the UK, I did so on the invitation of my old Guild mates from a different game. They were predominantly American. I played the free trial for a fortnight with these friends and found the general US community friendly, interesting and productive - in age it seems to be around 16-25 though there are many older players too.
However, at the end of my free trial, the discs I had bought compelled me to play on a European server. The European WoW community is a very different kettle of fish. I have played on five or six different Euro servers (all English-speaking - I have not tried the French, Spanish or Russian servers). Invariably, there is a large Scandinavian element with Swedes predominating - and in two years' playing, on and off, I have never met a player older than 18 with the average age on Euro-servers being, from my own (far from scientific) observations, around 14.
My experiences with this community have mostly been poor. I find the majority of players on the Euroservers to be aggressive, crass and horribly selfish. Grouping is a nightmare, ninja-ing is commonplace, players drop from groups whenever they feel like it, there is plenty of begging going on, spamming and concerted harrassment at almost all levels. I have tried joining some guilds - hought not one of the major, long-established guilds - but found that there was not much going on. The only guild that wanted to use my L70 priest, would not allow me to roll for priest gear on raids because that was a privilege reserved for guild officers who had stonger claims. Eventually, I was asked to leave the guild because my equipment was not strong enough.
Obviously, there are individual, heroic exceptions to the mainstream of my experience. However, I am longterm player of other MMOs including SWG (pre/post NGE), EQ2, CoV/H and Eve - and in every case found the communities far more attractive, welcoming and engaging.
I cannot believe that my negative experience of the Euro-WoW community is shared only by myself.
Faction grinding stinks
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!
How you hate wow hmm.....
ah yes...
I hate wow because it's better than any other freaking mmorpg on the market atm, each time you try out another mmo all you can think of is; "okay blizzard did this better, that too, and this?? what the hell is that anyway???!!!".
one of my friends who stopped wow couldn't have said it better; "there's no other mmorpg on the market worth a damn, guess we are left to wait for Age of Conan" But i kinda fear that the next wow expansion will somehow finds it's way on our desk anyway, because before tbc came i was like "pfft haven't played wow for months and won't buy that expansion....." 2 days after release i had bought that damn expansion and i didn't regret buying it.
Wow is just too good, too funny, too much quality entertainment in any case, may it be a very very retarded person asking the most stupid question that makes you go like; "haha oh yes, this game really brings people from all the corners of the world here"... a broad selection of all kinds of people makes wow more vivid, alive, and most of all FUN.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
"The sheer lack of original content to date."
Basically, been there done that in the past. And the same saying goes for over three or so years in WoW. I'm convinced that these types of fantasy games are just a mere phase that will eventually fade. And finally, developers will begin creating more original content over what we usually see, that being: Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes, the like. The majority of the MMORPG population are most attracted to the growing trend. I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed WoW for a long time, and played since release. It's just time for something new, and my subscription has been canceled since a couple weeks ago.
Sorry, I know all of that wasn't one sentence. But, I needed to throw in some more.
I hate how people have to jump around in pvp, instead of using their skills wisely.
It really annoys the hell out of me and theres only one thing you can do about it if your the right class, CC.
Listing one thing, in one sentence, is very limiting.
I think more of a point/counter point format would work better if we are to learn anything from this thread, so here goes.
1) Sub-par graphics:
a) I personally don’t see this as much of an issue because I suffer greatly from “Uncanny Valley” (google search) and find that the ‘better’ the character graphics, the less likely I am to play the game because I don’t require photo-realistic humans in my game... I get plenty of photo-realistic humans in my day-to-day life. But, you have to admit that they’ve worked something close to a miracle with the Chaos Engine (http://www.chaosgameengine.com/) which the game is built on and the art direction is top notch.
b) The sub-par graphics in WoW are the ‘secret sauce’ which has allowed the game to reach such a stratospheric number of players… It runs passably on a PIII-800 with a video card made five years ago, which in turn opened the doors to around 5-6 million Asian gamers who don’t have access, in general, to 8800GTX based multi-gigahertz multi-core gaming systems.
2) Community:
a) The community in WoW really sucks.
b) The community on the Internet really sucks and WoW is simply a victim of the Internet not requiring a license to operate… The ‘Eternal September’ was truer than anyone was willing to admit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September).
3) Game Mechanics:
a) A broad category which includes everything from ‘grind’ and ‘raiding’ to ‘easy mode PvP’ and ‘gear-based combat’.
b) Any game mechanic in WoW has been gone over with a fine toothed comb by a crack team of marketing folks and psychologists for the sole purpose of keeping people playing the game. As with any game, the people who actually ‘made’ the game initially either moved on when it hit the shelves or were laid off shortly thereafter… This is the terrible truth of the games industry and for the most part is the reason most games have a ‘re-design’ about six months after release and generally tend to suck thereafter.
4) Games Industry Impact:
a) WoW has nearly single-handedly destroyed the MMO space simply due to its success. Where it used to be that one could get VC for a “virtual world” with little more than a grand idea and some friends who wrote code with the expectation to hit around 100,000 users and therefore make silly money on the investment – now the MMO must be ‘triple-A’ budgeted and have an IP that cost more than the entire development budget of EQ… And if it hits less than 2 million, it is a failure.
b) WoW’s success has created about 3 million MMO players out of thin air. The games phenomenal success has, in fact, created many, many more MMO players who will eventually play something else.
I am open for debate on any of these points.