Listing one thing, in one sentence, is very limiting. I think more of a point/counter point format would work better if we are to learn anything from this thread, so here goes. 1) Sub-par graphics: a) I personally don’t see this as much of an issue because I suffer greatly from “Uncanny Valley” (google search) and find that the ‘better’ the character graphics, the less likely I am to play the game because I don’t require photo-realistic humans in my game... I get plenty of photo-realistic humans in my day-to-day life. But, you have to admit that they’ve worked something close to a miracle with the Chaos Engine (http://www.chaosgameengine.com/) which the game is built on and the art direction is top notch. b) The sub-par graphics in WoW are the ‘secret sauce’ which has allowed the game to reach such a stratospheric number of players… It runs passably on a PIII-800 with a video card made five years ago, which in turn opened the doors to around 5-6 million Asian gamers who don’t have access, in general, to 8800GTX based multi-gigahertz multi-core gaming systems. 2) Community: a) The community in WoW really sucks. b) The community on the Internet really sucks and WoW is simply a victim of the Internet not requiring a license to operate… The ‘Eternal September’ was truer than anyone was willing to admit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September). 3) Game Mechanics: a) A broad category which includes everything from ‘grind’ and ‘raiding’ to ‘easy mode PvP’ and ‘gear-based combat’. b) Any game mechanic in WoW has been gone over with a fine toothed comb by a crack team of marketing folks and psychologists for the sole purpose of keeping people playing the game. As with any game, the people who actually ‘made’ the game initially either moved on when it hit the shelves or were laid off shortly thereafter… This is the terrible truth of the games industry and for the most part is the reason most games have a ‘re-design’ about six months after release and generally tend to suck thereafter. 4) Games Industry Impact: a) WoW has nearly single-handedly destroyed the MMO space simply due to its success. Where it used to be that one could get VC for a “virtual world” with little more than a grand idea and some friends who wrote code with the expectation to hit around 100,000 users and therefore make silly money on the investment – now the MMO must be ‘triple-A’ budgeted and have an IP that cost more than the entire development budget of EQ… And if it hits less than 2 million, it is a failure. b) WoW’s success has created about 3 million MMO players out of thin air. The games phenomenal success has, in fact, created many, many more MMO players who will eventually play something else. I am open for debate on any of these points.
There are still some people who enjoying playing games and not spending their time bashing games that they once loved but have grown a profound hatred for. Anyone that would have the time to debate with your ramblings would much rather play the game they are enjoying. I'm sorry that WoW hurt your feelings and you are now so sad about the state of the MMO genre, but do not fear. One day someone will make a game that millions and millions of people love and chances are pretty good that you will love that game also. Don't lose hope. Your time will come. For now maybe you can play Guitar Hero. It brings a tear to my eye.
There are still some people who enjoying playing games and not spending their time bashing games that they once loved but have grown a profound hatred for. Anyone that would have the time to debate with your ramblings would much rather play the game they are enjoying. I'm sorry that WoW hurt your feelings and you are now so sad about the state of the MMO genre, but do not fear. One day someone will make a game that millions and millions of people love and chances are pretty good that you will love that game also. Don't lose hope. Your time will come. For now maybe you can play Guitar Hero. It brings a tear to my eye.
... Which could very well be the whole reason for the decline and fall of the gaming genere - people too busy playing games to have a legitimate thought-provoking discussion regarding them.
By the way, if you had actually 'read' the post, you would notice that I did not bash anything. In fact, I happen to have a 70 Draenei Shaman who has not only beaten Illidan into a quivering pulp but also hold a 'duelist' title for arena PvP... So, saying I'm 'bashing' WoW is clearly a wrong assumption.
And, since you brought up Guitar Hero I'll expound upon it as well... I don't actually own a console system but we have many, many of them where I work and I have to say the the design of Guitar Hero is pretty forward-thinking. And, if you're curious, half the consoles at work are Dev-Kits for 360, PS3, and the Wii.
I do not hate WoW, I hate BG's. The battlegrounds removed the players from interacting in the world, and it turned the best world into an empty farming world.
To put it exactly as you asked:
I hate WoW because they made a big giant world for us to play in, then turned it into a big giant empty world.
When we formed our guild on the RP server Shadow Council, one of the first things we did as a guild was raid (we were alliance,) the horde city of Crossroads. Most of us were lvl 30 or under, and it was the ballsiest thing. We crossed the plains without any clothes on, because we wanted our armor at full when we arrived in Crossroads, so there was this group of humans, gnomes, elves and dwarves traipsing across the desert naked, and that was our pic for our guild forums for almost a year. When all the level 60's arrived to smoosh us, they instead honored us, laughed at us, then smooshed us. We fought for a good half hour, and then, we all left, honoring our enemies as well. It was and still is one of my best memories of gaming, ever.
I do not want to relive glory days, my point is, this never happens now. The world is a sterile enviroment now, something Blizz tried to fix with the latest expansion, and a few other capture the flag kind of scenarios in the first world, but those tend to be abandoned, or over run by lvl 70's who just want to dominate the scene (griefers.) Everyone wants honor, or arena points now, and the entire game is run in little rooms. When we fought before BG, it was to win the field, and claim the battle won. It put level 30's side by side with level 60's. I remember harrassing a large group of 60's, when I was but lvl 32. My group succeeded, because they chased us all over the countryside, seeking revenge, while the battlefield was won by the alliance. Literally, a perfect strategic distraction, something you can only truely do in an immersive and player filled world. The forums were filled and used all the time, the alliance and the horde were on the same page (for that server anyways, although it seemed to be true on all servers.)
BG's were designed to capture other players from like minded games, and it was a slap dash measure that ruined what was turning into a fantastic world. Honor was the point system that was instituted to preceed BG, and as soon as it was turned on, it ruined the game. Now it was all 60's on the battlefield, grinding honor, not fighting to get a battle won. I know this all sounds rediculous, but it really is true for me. I never saw the same action, my guild fell apart as we lost our better players to honor oriented guilds, and even as I rose up thru the ranks a second time on a PvP server, I never was to be a part of anything monumentous again, untill I found EVE, where there is but one place to do things, no seperation between the war and the world.
When we formed our guild on the RP server Shadow Council, one of the first things we did as a guild was raid (we were alliance,) the horde city of Crossroads. Most of us were lvl 30 or under, and it was the ballsiest thing. We crossed the plains without any clothes on, because we wanted our armor at full when we arrived in Crossroads, so there was this group of humans, gnomes, elves and dwarves traipsing across the desert naked, and that was our pic for our guild forums for almost a year. When all the level 60's arrived to smoosh us, they instead honored us, laughed at us, then smooshed us. We fought for a good half hour, and then, we all left, honoring our enemies as well. It was and still is one of my best memories of gaming, ever. I do not want to relive glory days, my point is, this never happens now.
Actually this happened this passed weekend. Just because your guild didn't do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Yeah, it doesn't happen as often anymore, because most everyone has done it now. It had nothing to do with BG's though other than the fact that there's one more thing to do than there was before. And I hate to burst your bubble, but it wasn't all that ballsy. Anyone who's played for a while has tried something similar to this. In fact I'll do you one step better, we tried to take Thunder Bluff one time. We had a couple people sneak in with a warlock to a safe spot and start summoning people. We had about 40 people on Thunder Bluff before we attacked and we still got annihilated, but it was funny.
I hate the fact your success in WoW once you reach the level cap is almost totally dependant on whether not you join the top raid guild in each server, not how much work you put in, not how much skill you have playing your character, and not random luck due to the fact that raiding is the only way to get the high tier gear, except for doing the instanced pvp which also rewards great gear but the success in pvp is also dependant on, one already having the raid gear, or two having members of your raid guild pvp with you. There really isn't any chance to compete in this game unless you have a great guild, which in my experience means to join that one ''uber'' guild in each server. This also means, yeah the game is playable for more solo oriented types or small groupers that only like to play with close friends, but be warned, as far as compared to the others in the game and pvp, be ready to be owned. I supose you can take a weak toon and grind out the BGs and get decent gear that way if you don't have an epic guild, but it won't be easy or fun if you are the type that hates to get massacred much of the time even if you have skills and do the best you can, the gear difference is just too great.
oops, one sentence, oh yeah....
To reword it, item progression (the only true progression in WoW) is way too linear, world drops are a joke, and you equal what you are given, not what you earn. My opinion.
...The WoW community. I find it young, immature, horribly selfish and makes grouping a royal pain.
This is technically two sentences.
And there is no single community in WoW. Level up past Barrens and join a guild that has an age requirement or something (there are many), and you'll be fine.
PC gamers are not kids, they're mostly adults. Some kids, yeah, but the whole kiddie thing is just an exaggeration by people with a superiority complex. Old school EQ players will remember "burned woods", and the newbie beggars, and all of that stuff.
The whole "my MMO is more mature" than WoW is pure hype. People are people, and only the insecure need to group people into arbitrary levels of maturity.
You may scoff now but with experience you're likely to fall into agreement with this point of view.
There is some truth in what you say - but only up to a point.
The WoW community is divided into two broad server groupings: US and European. There is very little cross-over between them. I have found these two communites to be very, very different in nature and quality.
When I first played WoW in the UK, I did so on the invitation of my old Guild mates from a different game. They were predominantly American. I played the free trial for a fortnight with these friends and found the general US community friendly, interesting and productive - in age it seems to be around 16-25 though there are many older players too.
However, at the end of my free trial, the discs I had bought compelled me to play on a European server. The European WoW community is a very different kettle of fish. I have played on five or six different Euro servers (all English-speaking - I have not tried the French, Spanish or Russian servers). Invariably, there is a large Scandinavian element with Swedes predominating - and in two years' playing, on and off, I have never met a player older than 18 with the average age on Euro-servers being, from my own (far from scientific) observations, around 14.
My experiences with this community have mostly been poor. I find the majority of players on the Euroservers to be aggressive, crass and horribly selfish. Grouping is a nightmare, ninja-ing is commonplace, players drop from groups whenever they feel like it, there is plenty of begging going on, spamming and concerted harrassment at almost all levels. I have tried joining some guilds - hought not one of the major, long-established guilds - but found that there was not much going on. The only guild that wanted to use my L70 priest, would not allow me to roll for priest gear on raids because that was a privilege reserved for guild officers who had stonger claims. Eventually, I was asked to leave the guild because my equipment was not strong enough.
Obviously, there are individual, heroic exceptions to the mainstream of my experience. However, I am longterm player of other MMOs including SWG (pre/post NGE), EQ2, CoV/H and Eve - and in every case found the communities far more attractive, welcoming and engaging.
I cannot believe that my negative experience of the Euro-WoW community is shared only by myself.
You can't really call that a fair test, in one you started in your old guild, so naturally that will be more friendly than going on a european server alone. Also if we're going on ages im 22 and on a EU server... I've begin to understand after being on a EU server for perhaps 2 years and a half(on and off) that the majority of the server is complete noobs, but if you find a group of friends on the high end section of the games, then your much likely to have more maturity. Infact the majority of raiding guilds don't accept under 18's although ofcourse theres no way to find out whether the person is over 18, but you can generally tell in a application of how old the person may be. You know what, i could probably guess the American server is JUST the same, as you started out with that group of mature mates, you probably might not of seen it, but even so, alot of the time it doesnt matter where you were born, theres always gunna be the immature idiots around.
I actually loved Diablo because I was on the ladder ... but no way im going back to those days... takes away too much time :Phmm about WoW.... only played the trial and i liked it, but not gona buy it XD.
I hate that once I capped in WoW there was nothing but daily quests and raiding left. Especially as I was a warrior. But then I would guess any game with a level cap would be the same... hence I now play EvE
So basicly, EVE is WoW end game, but right from the start?
I am surprised that so many of you dislike the graphic 'look and feel' of WoW.
It is certainly in keeping with the original single-player Warcraft games - and though that does not necessarily have to be a plus in an MMO environment, I really think it works for WoW. The landscapes are all truly different and ingenious and, as another poster has said, the WoW developers have certainly thought hard about the layout of each landscape and even instance.
I personally was not looking forward to the 'cartoony' feel of WoW when I first heard about it but when I actually played the game, I found the visual context actually to be one of the game's strongest points, not 'cartoony' at all since the style allows for so much graphic detail.
The only problem I have had regarding WoW's visual ambience is that unofrtunately it allows for such limited visual customisation of your character at creation.
" And I hate to burst your bubble, but it wasn't all that ballsy. Anyone who's played for a while has tried something similar to this. In fact I'll do you one step better, we tried to take Thunder Bluff one time."
What was your point? The amount of ballsiness is not up to your standards? You can do me one better? I really don't understand why you even posted this, other than you disagree with me, and this was all you could pick apart. I played for a solid two years after BG's, and I still hold this same opinion, disagree and argue all you want, it ain't gonna change how I think. I do believe the thread was about why you hate WoW, not why you must defend your honorable game from horrible people like me who disagree.
Come to EVE, and see what a non capped, non-fought-in-tiny-rooms game is like.
first of all it would be probably the community..though i know there r mature people playing wow no doubt about it but if u just look at the official forums u get the idea...its all about nerf this nerf that u suck l2p..ntm i dont find wow pvp skill based at all.
There are still some people who enjoying playing games and not spending their time bashing games that they once loved but have grown a profound hatred for. Anyone that would have the time to debate with your ramblings would much rather play the game they are enjoying. I'm sorry that WoW hurt your feelings and you are now so sad about the state of the MMO genre, but do not fear. One day someone will make a game that millions and millions of people love and chances are pretty good that you will love that game also. Don't lose hope. Your time will come. For now maybe you can play Guitar Hero. It brings a tear to my eye.
... Which could very well be the whole reason for the decline and fall of the gaming genere - people too busy playing games to have a legitimate thought-provoking discussion regarding them.
By the way, if you had actually 'read' the post, you would notice that I did not bash anything. In fact, I happen to have a 70 Draenei Shaman who has not only beaten Illidan into a quivering pulp but also hold a 'duelist' title for arena PvP... So, saying I'm 'bashing' WoW is clearly a wrong assumption.
And, since you brought up Guitar Hero I'll expound upon it as well... I don't actually own a console system but we have many, many of them where I work and I have to say the the design of Guitar Hero is pretty forward-thinking. And, if you're curious, half the consoles at work are Dev-Kits for 360, PS3, and the Wii.
You didn't bash anything? In a topic titles "The ONE thing you hate about WoW in one sentence" you wrote a thesis. You obviously loved WoW at some point and now you have played so much that you are bored and don't want to play it anymore. You have found everything bad about it. You never want to play anything like it again. What you have to realize is that not everyone played that much. I said it somewhere else but take your best friend and spend 80 hours a week with them, and then you will probably find some outlet and pour out everything you dislike about them as well.
It is like my pre-marriage counseling the priest gave. He said as time goes on you will start to realize things you dislike about the other person but you have to override these with the things you do like about them and focus on those. This happens with everything you do whether it is a game, hobby, or another person.
I also was not bashing Guitar Hero, but instead I was suggesting another addictive game that has nothing to do with the one you have obviously burned yourself out on.
It's cool that you work at a game studio, whether you are a tester or dev i'm not sure, but I've got similar experience and I am not going to use it to pretend that it backs my views as being right or unquestionable. They are simply opinions we are both giving. I think that you are smart you are just blinded as to what it is you are talking about. Everyone that has burned themselves out on WoW never wants to play another game like it because... they have burned themselves out.
Developers have discussions and money talks. If a WoW clone comes out and people are sick of it guess what will happen. It will fail and no one will play. That will be the last time it happens unless a company is dumb enough to throw money away. What WoW did was bring millions into the genre and keep them busy for years leaving other game companies a ripe potential fan base if they built a new innovative and polished MMO.
I mean seriously what games have come out or are coming out that are WoW clones? Again the only answer anyone will have is Warhammer and if you look at the facts and really do your research they aren't that similar at all.
P.S. I really hate where WoW has gone with PvP and miss the first month of the game where battles were breaking out at every outpost while you leveled randomly and dynamically in the world. Now that was some fun PVP for the very short time it lasted.
I hate the fact your success in WoW once you reach the level cap is almost totally dependant on whether not you join the top raid guild in each server, not how much work you put in, not how much skill you have playing your character, and not random luck due to the fact that raiding is the only way to get the high tier gear, except for doing the instanced pvp which also rewards great gear but the success in pvp is also dependant on, one already having the raid gear, or two having members of your raid guild pvp with you. There really isn't any chance to compete in this game unless you have a great guild, which in my experience means to join that one ''uber'' guild in each server. This also means, yeah the game is playable for more solo oriented types or small groupers that only like to play with close friends, but be warned, as far as compared to the others in the game and pvp, be ready to be owned. I supose you can take a weak toon and grind out the BGs and get decent gear that way if you don't have an epic guild, but it won't be easy or fun if you are the type that hates to get massacred much of the time even if you have skills and do the best you can, the gear difference is just too great. oops, one sentence, oh yeah.... To reword it, item progression (the only true progression in WoW) is way too linear, world drops are a joke, and you equal what you are given, not what you earn. My opinion.
At one time, I would have agreed with you, but not anymore. Kara is very easy to get into, you only need 10 players and you can start running it with gear that you picked up from questing to 70. You'll get gear that is decent enough in Kara to PvP effectively, I do it everyday and I'm usually always in the top half of the BG (sometimes even 1 or 2) as far as damage goes with my Hunter with nothing but gear from Kara. Then once you start doing a little PvP you can pad your gear even further with honor and tokens. You can now get Season 1 arena gear from doing PvP and it's really not that difficult (not anything like it was to grind the honor rep before) and with that gear you can not only compete, but you can dominate. Sure, you are going to have to take a few lumps initially, but what do you expect? You want to just be able to go out your first day into PvP and own everyone? Please. It takes a little time and effort, but it's easily doable. You don't need a guild of 100 people. Get about 20 people in your guild and you'll have enough to do Kara on a pretty regular basis. Don't expect to get very far your first couple of tries, but gradually you'll start making your way thru it as you get geared up. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
I hate WoW haters! C'mon, WoW works and at least there's a game for more than 9 millions of us. I tried so many games and they are all hype, ahem potBS.
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There are still some people who enjoying playing games and not spending their time bashing games that they once loved but have grown a profound hatred for. Anyone that would have the time to debate with your ramblings would much rather play the game they are enjoying. I'm sorry that WoW hurt your feelings and you are now so sad about the state of the MMO genre, but do not fear. One day someone will make a game that millions and millions of people love and chances are pretty good that you will love that game also. Don't lose hope. Your time will come. For now maybe you can play Guitar Hero. It brings a tear to my eye.
1)horrible looking
2)spawned the worst MMO community in history
3)super easy
4)ruined almost every upcomming MMO due to everyone trying to rehash it for money purposes
as many times as i try to get into this...i just cant..id into a long rant on why...but take those 4 s the major points...im done.
Immature community with tendency towards epeen comparison.
... Which could very well be the whole reason for the decline and fall of the gaming genere - people too busy playing games to have a legitimate thought-provoking discussion regarding them.
By the way, if you had actually 'read' the post, you would notice that I did not bash anything. In fact, I happen to have a 70 Draenei Shaman who has not only beaten Illidan into a quivering pulp but also hold a 'duelist' title for arena PvP... So, saying I'm 'bashing' WoW is clearly a wrong assumption.
And, since you brought up Guitar Hero I'll expound upon it as well... I don't actually own a console system but we have many, many of them where I work and I have to say the the design of Guitar Hero is pretty forward-thinking. And, if you're curious, half the consoles at work are Dev-Kits for 360, PS3, and the Wii.
I hate The Burnig Crusade.
For me this expansion destroyed WoW... I like only Cavresn of Times and Karazhan from this expansion.
The only thing that I hate about WoW is the people who feel the need to constantly bash the game, because it is the "cool" thing to do on the boards.
The only thing I hate that most wow players wear pants when playing wow
I do not hate WoW, I hate BG's. The battlegrounds removed the players from interacting in the world, and it turned the best world into an empty farming world.
To put it exactly as you asked:
I hate WoW because they made a big giant world for us to play in, then turned it into a big giant empty world.
When we formed our guild on the RP server Shadow Council, one of the first things we did as a guild was raid (we were alliance,) the horde city of Crossroads. Most of us were lvl 30 or under, and it was the ballsiest thing. We crossed the plains without any clothes on, because we wanted our armor at full when we arrived in Crossroads, so there was this group of humans, gnomes, elves and dwarves traipsing across the desert naked, and that was our pic for our guild forums for almost a year. When all the level 60's arrived to smoosh us, they instead honored us, laughed at us, then smooshed us. We fought for a good half hour, and then, we all left, honoring our enemies as well. It was and still is one of my best memories of gaming, ever.
I do not want to relive glory days, my point is, this never happens now. The world is a sterile enviroment now, something Blizz tried to fix with the latest expansion, and a few other capture the flag kind of scenarios in the first world, but those tend to be abandoned, or over run by lvl 70's who just want to dominate the scene (griefers.) Everyone wants honor, or arena points now, and the entire game is run in little rooms. When we fought before BG, it was to win the field, and claim the battle won. It put level 30's side by side with level 60's. I remember harrassing a large group of 60's, when I was but lvl 32. My group succeeded, because they chased us all over the countryside, seeking revenge, while the battlefield was won by the alliance. Literally, a perfect strategic distraction, something you can only truely do in an immersive and player filled world. The forums were filled and used all the time, the alliance and the horde were on the same page (for that server anyways, although it seemed to be true on all servers.)
BG's were designed to capture other players from like minded games, and it was a slap dash measure that ruined what was turning into a fantastic world. Honor was the point system that was instituted to preceed BG, and as soon as it was turned on, it ruined the game. Now it was all 60's on the battlefield, grinding honor, not fighting to get a battle won. I know this all sounds rediculous, but it really is true for me. I never saw the same action, my guild fell apart as we lost our better players to honor oriented guilds, and even as I rose up thru the ranks a second time on a PvP server, I never was to be a part of anything monumentous again, untill I found EVE, where there is but one place to do things, no seperation between the war and the world.
Actually this happened this passed weekend. Just because your guild didn't do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Yeah, it doesn't happen as often anymore, because most everyone has done it now. It had nothing to do with BG's though other than the fact that there's one more thing to do than there was before. And I hate to burst your bubble, but it wasn't all that ballsy. Anyone who's played for a while has tried something similar to this. In fact I'll do you one step better, we tried to take Thunder Bluff one time. We had a couple people sneak in with a warlock to a safe spot and start summoning people. We had about 40 people on Thunder Bluff before we attacked and we still got annihilated, but it was funny.
I hate the fact your success in WoW once you reach the level cap is almost totally dependant on whether not you join the top raid guild in each server, not how much work you put in, not how much skill you have playing your character, and not random luck due to the fact that raiding is the only way to get the high tier gear, except for doing the instanced pvp which also rewards great gear but the success in pvp is also dependant on, one already having the raid gear, or two having members of your raid guild pvp with you. There really isn't any chance to compete in this game unless you have a great guild, which in my experience means to join that one ''uber'' guild in each server. This also means, yeah the game is playable for more solo oriented types or small groupers that only like to play with close friends, but be warned, as far as compared to the others in the game and pvp, be ready to be owned. I supose you can take a weak toon and grind out the BGs and get decent gear that way if you don't have an epic guild, but it won't be easy or fun if you are the type that hates to get massacred much of the time even if you have skills and do the best you can, the gear difference is just too great.
oops, one sentence, oh yeah....
To reword it, item progression (the only true progression in WoW) is way too linear, world drops are a joke, and you equal what you are given, not what you earn. My opinion.
And there is no single community in WoW. Level up past Barrens and join a guild that has an age requirement or something (there are many), and you'll be fine.
PC gamers are not kids, they're mostly adults. Some kids, yeah, but the whole kiddie thing is just an exaggeration by people with a superiority complex. Old school EQ players will remember "burned woods", and the newbie beggars, and all of that stuff.
The whole "my MMO is more mature" than WoW is pure hype. People are people, and only the insecure need to group people into arbitrary levels of maturity.
You may scoff now but with experience you're likely to fall into agreement with this point of view.
There is some truth in what you say - but only up to a point.
The WoW community is divided into two broad server groupings: US and European. There is very little cross-over between them. I have found these two communites to be very, very different in nature and quality.
When I first played WoW in the UK, I did so on the invitation of my old Guild mates from a different game. They were predominantly American. I played the free trial for a fortnight with these friends and found the general US community friendly, interesting and productive - in age it seems to be around 16-25 though there are many older players too.
However, at the end of my free trial, the discs I had bought compelled me to play on a European server. The European WoW community is a very different kettle of fish. I have played on five or six different Euro servers (all English-speaking - I have not tried the French, Spanish or Russian servers). Invariably, there is a large Scandinavian element with Swedes predominating - and in two years' playing, on and off, I have never met a player older than 18 with the average age on Euro-servers being, from my own (far from scientific) observations, around 14.
My experiences with this community have mostly been poor. I find the majority of players on the Euroservers to be aggressive, crass and horribly selfish. Grouping is a nightmare, ninja-ing is commonplace, players drop from groups whenever they feel like it, there is plenty of begging going on, spamming and concerted harrassment at almost all levels. I have tried joining some guilds - hought not one of the major, long-established guilds - but found that there was not much going on. The only guild that wanted to use my L70 priest, would not allow me to roll for priest gear on raids because that was a privilege reserved for guild officers who had stonger claims. Eventually, I was asked to leave the guild because my equipment was not strong enough.
Obviously, there are individual, heroic exceptions to the mainstream of my experience. However, I am longterm player of other MMOs including SWG (pre/post NGE), EQ2, CoV/H and Eve - and in every case found the communities far more attractive, welcoming and engaging.
I cannot believe that my negative experience of the Euro-WoW community is shared only by myself.
You can't really call that a fair test, in one you started in your old guild, so naturally that will be more friendly than going on a european server alone. Also if we're going on ages im 22 and on a EU server... I've begin to understand after being on a EU server for perhaps 2 years and a half(on and off) that the majority of the server is complete noobs, but if you find a group of friends on the high end section of the games, then your much likely to have more maturity. Infact the majority of raiding guilds don't accept under 18's although ofcourse theres no way to find out whether the person is over 18, but you can generally tell in a application of how old the person may be. You know what, i could probably guess the American server is JUST the same, as you started out with that group of mature mates, you probably might not of seen it, but even so, alot of the time it doesnt matter where you were born, theres always gunna be the immature idiots around.
I actually loved Diablo because I was on the ladder
... but no way im going back to those days... takes away too much time :Phmm about WoW.... only played the trial and i liked it, but not gona buy it XD.
I hate that once I capped in WoW there was nothing but daily quests and raiding left. Especially as I was a warrior.
But then I would guess any game with a level cap would be the same... hence I now play EvE
So basicly, EVE is WoW end game, but right from the start?
I am surprised that so many of you dislike the graphic 'look and feel' of WoW.
It is certainly in keeping with the original single-player Warcraft games - and though that does not necessarily have to be a plus in an MMO environment, I really think it works for WoW. The landscapes are all truly different and ingenious and, as another poster has said, the WoW developers have certainly thought hard about the layout of each landscape and even instance.
I personally was not looking forward to the 'cartoony' feel of WoW when I first heard about it but when I actually played the game, I found the visual context actually to be one of the game's strongest points, not 'cartoony' at all since the style allows for so much graphic detail.
The only problem I have had regarding WoW's visual ambience is that unofrtunately it allows for such limited visual customisation of your character at creation.
" And I hate to burst your bubble, but it wasn't all that ballsy. Anyone who's played for a while has tried something similar to this. In fact I'll do you one step better, we tried to take Thunder Bluff one time."
What was your point? The amount of ballsiness is not up to your standards? You can do me one better? I really don't understand why you even posted this, other than you disagree with me, and this was all you could pick apart. I played for a solid two years after BG's, and I still hold this same opinion, disagree and argue all you want, it ain't gonna change how I think. I do believe the thread was about why you hate WoW, not why you must defend your honorable game from horrible people like me who disagree.
Come to EVE, and see what a non capped, non-fought-in-tiny-rooms game is like.
Mostly come so I can pod yah.
... Which could very well be the whole reason for the decline and fall of the gaming genere - people too busy playing games to have a legitimate thought-provoking discussion regarding them.
By the way, if you had actually 'read' the post, you would notice that I did not bash anything. In fact, I happen to have a 70 Draenei Shaman who has not only beaten Illidan into a quivering pulp but also hold a 'duelist' title for arena PvP... So, saying I'm 'bashing' WoW is clearly a wrong assumption.
And, since you brought up Guitar Hero I'll expound upon it as well... I don't actually own a console system but we have many, many of them where I work and I have to say the the design of Guitar Hero is pretty forward-thinking. And, if you're curious, half the consoles at work are Dev-Kits for 360, PS3, and the Wii.
You didn't bash anything? In a topic titles "The ONE thing you hate about WoW in one sentence" you wrote a thesis. You obviously loved WoW at some point and now you have played so much that you are bored and don't want to play it anymore. You have found everything bad about it. You never want to play anything like it again. What you have to realize is that not everyone played that much. I said it somewhere else but take your best friend and spend 80 hours a week with them, and then you will probably find some outlet and pour out everything you dislike about them as well.
It is like my pre-marriage counseling the priest gave. He said as time goes on you will start to realize things you dislike about the other person but you have to override these with the things you do like about them and focus on those. This happens with everything you do whether it is a game, hobby, or another person.
I also was not bashing Guitar Hero, but instead I was suggesting another addictive game that has nothing to do with the one you have obviously burned yourself out on.
It's cool that you work at a game studio, whether you are a tester or dev i'm not sure, but I've got similar experience and I am not going to use it to pretend that it backs my views as being right or unquestionable. They are simply opinions we are both giving. I think that you are smart you are just blinded as to what it is you are talking about. Everyone that has burned themselves out on WoW never wants to play another game like it because... they have burned themselves out.
Developers have discussions and money talks. If a WoW clone comes out and people are sick of it guess what will happen. It will fail and no one will play. That will be the last time it happens unless a company is dumb enough to throw money away. What WoW did was bring millions into the genre and keep them busy for years leaving other game companies a ripe potential fan base if they built a new innovative and polished MMO.
I mean seriously what games have come out or are coming out that are WoW clones? Again the only answer anyone will have is Warhammer and if you look at the facts and really do your research they aren't that similar at all.
P.S. I really hate where WoW has gone with PvP and miss the first month of the game where battles were breaking out at every outpost while you leveled randomly and dynamically in the world. Now that was some fun PVP for the very short time it lasted.
I hate that their downtime is on Tuesday, my only day off
Actually I hate this as well. I also hate how it is usually an 8 hour downtime with a delay of 1-3 hours weekly. This is too much maintenance.
At one time, I would have agreed with you, but not anymore. Kara is very easy to get into, you only need 10 players and you can start running it with gear that you picked up from questing to 70. You'll get gear that is decent enough in Kara to PvP effectively, I do it everyday and I'm usually always in the top half of the BG (sometimes even 1 or 2) as far as damage goes with my Hunter with nothing but gear from Kara. Then once you start doing a little PvP you can pad your gear even further with honor and tokens. You can now get Season 1 arena gear from doing PvP and it's really not that difficult (not anything like it was to grind the honor rep before) and with that gear you can not only compete, but you can dominate. Sure, you are going to have to take a few lumps initially, but what do you expect? You want to just be able to go out your first day into PvP and own everyone? Please. It takes a little time and effort, but it's easily doable. You don't need a guild of 100 people. Get about 20 people in your guild and you'll have enough to do Kara on a pretty regular basis. Don't expect to get very far your first couple of tries, but gradually you'll start making your way thru it as you get geared up. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
The one thing I hate about WoW is it is not SANDBOX.
arenas/battlegrounds... it makes world pvp non existant, take it away and watch how many people will go crazy for wow
All PVE atmosphere except undead areas.
Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.
I hate WoW haters! C'mon, WoW works and at least there's a game for more than 9 millions of us. I tried so many games and they are all hype, ahem potBS.
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