Some MMO dev's make the continual mistake of comparing Eastern mmo's to Western. They say wow there are millions of people playing L2 in Asia, it must be good, players must want this. What they fail to realize is that there are about 3 billion Chinese/Koreans/ etc... compared to 500 million North Americans. Western mmo players prefer a different style of play. Asian mmo makers just don't get it. I agree with the OP this game is not going to do as well as War or AoC. It will be like CoH, it will do ok, but only ok.
Zig is right Gameloading...just face it- this game is vaporware here in the states....I would bet next years salary that it wont even come close to CoH numbers, which, by the time WAR & AoC come out, will be very sub par in the american market.
No way that game is competing with any of the big dogs, nor taking members away form their playerbases.
Fanboi or not (and I think you might be) , you will be proven wrong on Aion..there is nothing spectacular or next gen about this title, and you've got to come up with something great to attract US players....we are nothing like the asian market.
Do you even know the meaning of the word vaporware? I don't think you do. Lineage reached to 100k ~ 120k subscribers in the US and that's for a game that is supposedly not be the taste of western gamers. Aion however is the taste of many western gamers so I see no reason why it can't do well.
Also there is nothing next gen about the other mmo's either. Saying that other mmo's are next gen while Aion is not only proves you have done no research on this game.
Also Zigmund is rarely right. In fact I have never seen him make a statement that's true. Zigmund always bases his arguement on stereotypes and even if you prove him wrong with evidence he will ignore it and keep his arguement anyway.
for instance
the arguement he currently uses is flawed. Lineage may be popular through out asia, the vast majority of subscribtions are from South Korea and it had millions of players in that region. Last time I checked the US + EU combined are a lot bigger than South Korea.
I don't see a problem with the races having their separate worlds. DAOC was set up so that the races could not go into each others zones and that game is great. Although I haven't played in years I assume its still the same way. And imo, DAOC is still one of the best mmos ever made.
Aion has pvp very similar to Dark age of Camelot which had a huge following. It's design is also similar to Warhammer which is expected to be pretty big. Having played DaoC and World of Warcraft I am pretty neutral on which system is better (Realm vs full out pvp).
In WoW PVP has some pretty big restrictions (unless your on a pvp server). also, 'experiencing' the other side's content is hardly 'experiencing'. By the time you can get there in WoW your way overpowered for the zone. Now, all the level appropriate zones in WoW would be similar to the Abyss (assuming Aion zones are gigantic).
Another thing I have read about Aion is that they are thinking about having random portals that will open up from one side to the other side. Thus allowing low levels to get into 'light' pvp. I would assume these portals would open up into lower level zones of the opposite faction (I could be wrong though).
However, from watching the videos, Aion has what almost no other MMO has. Interactive story telling. Sure EQ2 has speech, WoW has some neat stuff that happens in instances, and Final Fantasy XI probably comes the closest to having a lot of story telling mechanics. But watching the video of the level 10 quest in Aion showed a lot of story telling mechanics in play (watching the player doign well against the boss MOB and then getting hurled down, some more interaction, some more story telling machanics, mentor comes in, etc). If this holds true throughout the game I think it is a huge plus that severely outweighs whatever percieved negatives there are to realm pvp.
Remember that each game is designed differently. They do not want to make a WoW clone because, well, WoW already exists. They are out to make their own unique game. If people like it they will play it. Just like every video game, board game, and sport plays differently so will MMO's.
Some MMO dev's make the continual mistake of comparing Eastern mmo's to Western. They say wow there are millions of people playing L2 in Asia, it must be good, players must want this. What they fail to realize is that there are about 3 billion Chinese/Koreans/ etc... compared to 500 million North Americans. Western mmo players prefer a different style of play. Asian mmo makers just don't get it. I agree with the OP this game is not going to do as well as War or AoC. It will be like CoH, it will do ok, but only ok.
Zig is right Gameloading...just face it- this game is vaporware here in the states....I would bet next years salary that it wont even come close to CoH numbers, which, by the time WAR & AoC come out, will be very sub par in the american market.
No way that game is competing with any of the big dogs, nor taking members away form their playerbases.
Fanboi or not (and I think you might be) , you will be proven wrong on Aion..there is nothing spectacular or next gen about this title, and you've got to come up with something great to attract US players....we are nothing like the asian market.
First off, this game won't be "vaporware".
Also, there are many types of "Western" players so I always bristle at being told what western players like. Just because some people are vocal on forums doesn't mean they speak for everyone (on both sides of the argument).
It will come here and it will most likely draw a small yet devoted fanbase. Like L2 in the states/NA
It won't be number 1 or drag WoW from it's perch or give Conan or Warhammer any serious competition. But it will do well enough to exist. It is a somewhat esoteric concept with a somewhat dreamy art design that the average player won't be able to get into it.
But it will have it's supporters (me for one) so it should do well enough.
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I see I hit a sensitive note with the fanbois....I guess we will just have to see when Aion is released how right I know I am....I will stick with my story- no way this game is successful as AoC or WAR in America, and no way its even getting close to CoH type numbers.
And when it doesnt, trust that Ill be here throwing it in your faces. Ive played MMO's since 1997, and have learned to call failures before they even happen. I did it with Vanguard, UO2, Horizons, Dark & Light- the list goes on- you name it... Its a skill you develope over time after watching dozens of MMO's not only sink below expectations with their feature lists, but also put out titles that only a small minority is interested in.
Aion will be one of these Im afraid....perhaps it will be a big hit in Asia- sub par MMO's usually are...but not in America...sorry folks.
I see I hit a sensitive note with the fanbois....I guess we will just have to see when Aion is released how right I know I am....I will stick with my story- no way this game is successful as AoC or WAR in America, and no way its even getting close to CoH type numbers.
Aion will be one of these Im afraid....perhaps it will be a big hit in Asia- sub par MMO's usually are...but not in America...sorry folks.
Well, I coudn't disagree. People don't understand that this will be a niche game here because they like it so much. But it's not going to fail. Just not have huge numbers. It just doesn't have universal appeal. But, if NC is smart they will only open a few servers. In this way they will be able to consolidate the playerbase and then they can open additional servers if the need seems to be there.
The game will "do well" just not WoW numbers. And nor it should. People have to start realizing that it's ok to be a niche product.
I bet if I went into any of your houses I would find all sorts of "unpopular" tastes. Tastes in music, movies, furniture, clothing. Not everything has to have mass appeal, nor should it strive for this. I find nothing inherently wrong with mass appeal as I don't really see myself as so arrogant as to disregard the "humanity" of the masses. But where you get that "something unique" is when you get something that is so well done and so different that it can only "speak" to a small number of people.
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I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...I see Aion as another Tabula Rasa, which is in a free-fall at he moment and has Garriott coming up with lame excuse after lame excuse as to why it is failing....
Now- dont misquote me and think Im comparing the two games and saying they are the same- they are not....I just think the end result is the same....
outside of The Abyss (the pvp zone where PvPvE would take place), there would be no interaction between the 2 races. This means 2 things: You are limited to 1 part of the world when you choose a fraction (this is a MMO, remember), and THERE IS NO WORLD PVP. They claim to be aiming at Western MMO players, then they go and make a incomprehensably stupid design choice. Making it so that if your Asmodian, you can't experience the Elyos side of the world, and world pvp/raid towns/fight for dungeons is just rediculous - and would seem the biggest mistake ive ever seen in an MMO - this can barely be called an MMO anymore.
I didn't bother to read the rest of the thread. To be honest I haven't been following this game much but... I really had to respond.
In DAoC you have 3 realms Albion, Midgard and Hibernia. Outside of the Frontiers and battleground (call them The Abyss) you can't go from one realm to the other.
The dungeon Darkness Falls can only be entered by the realm who controls it (which is done through frontiers pvp) aka World pvp... for dungeons.
You've pretty much just described DAoC in your post. Then said it would be the dumbest design choice ever done by a developer... AND not a western game.
Well far as I know DAoC is usually considered a pretty good PvP/RvR game and is most definitely western.
So what exactly did I read wrong? Because everything you describe sounds a lot like DAoC concepts to me.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of competition ti will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
Oh, it's niche. And it does have people interested. It's not a "standard" fantasy game because of it's subject. And as I don't really see the need to reinvent the class system (I personally like the class system... just wish there was more flexibility so that one tank was different from another... but that's another discusstion) you of course are going to find the standard classes.
But there is no "minimum" to be a niche product. I mean, seriously, how many of you are active listeners of Karl Stockhausen's music? (who recently died by the way).
Probably none. There is possibly the smallest of the smallest group that even knows about him. Yet he was successful in what he did and had his fans.
All NC needs are enough people to like the game to keep the bills being paid. I imagine it will be far larger in Korea and that will significantly pay for the developement.
As far as CoX games. I think they do very well but the long term appeal seems to be hard to maintain. That has nothing to do with the subject matter but everything to do with the development arc.
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I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
Finally a game with Graphics, design and animations to rival Lineage2's UnrealEngine art.
However im also eagerly wathcing AoC for its... "open" PvP system to hopefully Rival L2 and EvEs PvP systems. This game still seems to lack alot of the finesse in animations and design still thou. The new trailer was nice, but severly edited.
And not to forget Spellborn which hopefully will also bring a new era to Arena-Style PvP/gameplay togheter with the "make your own look" system. Also lack animation design astill sadly.
Warhammer you say?, well hopefully it'll be the next WoW in line, with hopefully focus on World-PvP.. like oldstyle WoW. But i stopeed follow this game with all the extended releases, which are good but gives me headaches to recieve - so i wait and see.
I definetly wont swollow all the warhammer Hype, as the Hype meter sais nothing, just look at games like Vanguard, DnL (lol) and so on... you will just get dissapointed by eating all the hype.
On a sidenote, i believe it will be many years unthill we see another game with a playerbase like WoWs. Numer 1 reason is most WoW players game from the "outside". These new games will mostely get players from the other mmorpgs, and most likely spread out. This is why even a "small" mmorpg title like EvE is considered one of the best mmorpg out there in its area (open PvP, Sci-Fi, Sandboxgames etc....).
WoWs playerbase size is coused alot by all the comercials they did to the gamers outside the mmorpg land. WoW grew like a monster while not taking or killing other games (to an extent ofcourse ).
Also just becouse many of these "new" mmorpg players liked WoW, does not mean they are what ppl in here call western-players. Many of these gamers have yet only played WoW... How do you know what other games theyll play?
Personally id say Aion looks ALOT more like the WoW style then AoC does... So according to the Western-Styled logic more WoW players would jump to Aion making it larger then AoC!
Shees..
And aslong as a game has enough playerbase to actively fill 1 big server, the game itself can be as good as any other to the ones on that server. Just look at games like EvE. Many players there wouldnt touch WoW with a 3 meter stick.
p.s - English is my second language, im perfectly aware of spellingmistakes and others errors...
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Thats funny. What do you think when they develop a mmo their expecting a player base of MILLIONS like wow? Or do you look at it like ..well not as big as WOW ...I was right its a flop.. lmao. Get a clue the developers KNOW their game wont be like WOW and expect a certain size player base and try to grow from there. Saying you know about Vanguard lol everyone new about that yet its still going.
So just because a MMO did not turn out like YOU expected does not mean you are right. So sorry its not a skill.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
You honestly think AOC will have more subs world wide than Aion? Interesting...
" Its a skill you develope over time" Thats funny. What do you think when they develop a mmo their expecting a player base of MILLIONS like wow? Or do you look at it like ..well not as big as WOW ...I was right its a flop.. lmao. Get a clue the developers KNOW their game wont be like WOW and expect a certain size player base and try to grow from there. Saying you know about Vanguard lol everyone new about that yet its still going. So just because a MMO did not turn out like YOU expected does not mean you are right. So sorry its not a skill.
Evidently YOU need to get a clue-I said nothing about WoW..go back and read all of my posts, then you can respond again with some sense...
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
You honestly think AOC will have more subs world wide than Aion? Interesting...
No contest...not even close....like I said- go look at the pre-launch community over at the AoC official site..it wont even be close....
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
Uumm..I guess you guys forgot we're talking about America here..not Asia where they dont know the diff between a grindfest and an MMO.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
You honestly think AOC will have more subs world wide than Aion? Interesting...
No contest...not even close....like I said- go look at the pre-launch community over at the AoC official site..it wont even be close....
having registations at the community forum means jack. there are plenty of MMO's that had many, many registations on forums that by far did not live up to in subscribtion numbers. Please don't delude yourself by thinking forum registrations are any indication of future subscribtions.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
That was my point. Your attitude completley gets in the way of your message..Alot of us have been playing MMOs for a long time and understand the way things work.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
Uumm..I guess you guys forgot we're talking about America here..not Asia where they dont know the diff between a grindfest and an MMO.
No we are not. if you look at the post you quoted you will notice he said TOTAL SUBS. not NA subs.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
That was my point. Your attitude completley gets in the way of your message..Alot of us have been playing MMOs for a long time and understand the way things work.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
Uumm..I guess you guys forgot we're talking about America here..not Asia where they dont know the diff between a grindfest and an MMO.
No we are not. if you look at the post you quoted you will notice he said TOTAL SUBS. not NA subs.
So wether a game is successful or not depends on if it is based on a style of play you like and where the majority of subscriptions are as opposed to the total number of subscriptions? Make sure to steer clear of any future business ventures.
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
That was my point. Your attitude completley gets in the way of your message..Alot of us have been playing MMOs for a long time and understand the way things work.
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Zig is right Gameloading...just face it- this game is vaporware here in the states....I would bet next years salary that it wont even come close to CoH numbers, which, by the time WAR & AoC come out, will be very sub par in the american market.
No way that game is competing with any of the big dogs, nor taking members away form their playerbases.
Fanboi or not (and I think you might be) , you will be proven wrong on Aion..there is nothing spectacular or next gen about this title, and you've got to come up with something great to attract US players....we are nothing like the asian market.
Do you even know the meaning of the word vaporware? I don't think you do. Lineage reached to 100k ~ 120k subscribers in the US and that's for a game that is supposedly not be the taste of western gamers. Aion however is the taste of many western gamers so I see no reason why it can't do well.
Also there is nothing next gen about the other mmo's either. Saying that other mmo's are next gen while Aion is not only proves you have done no research on this game.
Also Zigmund is rarely right. In fact I have never seen him make a statement that's true. Zigmund always bases his arguement on stereotypes and even if you prove him wrong with evidence he will ignore it and keep his arguement anyway.
for instance
the arguement he currently uses is flawed. Lineage may be popular through out asia, the vast majority of subscribtions are from South Korea and it had millions of players in that region. Last time I checked the US + EU combined are a lot bigger than South Korea.
I don't see a problem with the races having their separate worlds. DAOC was set up so that the races could not go into each others zones and that game is great. Although I haven't played in years I assume its still the same way. And imo, DAOC is still one of the best mmos ever made.
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Hmm..let's see...
Aion has pvp very similar to Dark age of Camelot which had a huge following. It's design is also similar to Warhammer which is expected to be pretty big. Having played DaoC and World of Warcraft I am pretty neutral on which system is better (Realm vs full out pvp).
In WoW PVP has some pretty big restrictions (unless your on a pvp server). also, 'experiencing' the other side's content is hardly 'experiencing'. By the time you can get there in WoW your way overpowered for the zone. Now, all the level appropriate zones in WoW would be similar to the Abyss (assuming Aion zones are gigantic).
Another thing I have read about Aion is that they are thinking about having random portals that will open up from one side to the other side. Thus allowing low levels to get into 'light' pvp. I would assume these portals would open up into lower level zones of the opposite faction (I could be wrong though).
However, from watching the videos, Aion has what almost no other MMO has. Interactive story telling. Sure EQ2 has speech, WoW has some neat stuff that happens in instances, and Final Fantasy XI probably comes the closest to having a lot of story telling mechanics. But watching the video of the level 10 quest in Aion showed a lot of story telling mechanics in play (watching the player doign well against the boss MOB and then getting hurled down, some more interaction, some more story telling machanics, mentor comes in, etc). If this holds true throughout the game I think it is a huge plus that severely outweighs whatever percieved negatives there are to realm pvp.
Remember that each game is designed differently. They do not want to make a WoW clone because, well, WoW already exists. They are out to make their own unique game. If people like it they will play it. Just like every video game, board game, and sport plays differently so will MMO's.
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Zig is right Gameloading...just face it- this game is vaporware here in the states....I would bet next years salary that it wont even come close to CoH numbers, which, by the time WAR & AoC come out, will be very sub par in the american market.
No way that game is competing with any of the big dogs, nor taking members away form their playerbases.
Fanboi or not (and I think you might be) , you will be proven wrong on Aion..there is nothing spectacular or next gen about this title, and you've got to come up with something great to attract US players....we are nothing like the asian market.
First off, this game won't be "vaporware".
Also, there are many types of "Western" players so I always bristle at being told what western players like. Just because some people are vocal on forums doesn't mean they speak for everyone (on both sides of the argument).
It will come here and it will most likely draw a small yet devoted fanbase. Like L2 in the states/NA
It won't be number 1 or drag WoW from it's perch or give Conan or Warhammer any serious competition. But it will do well enough to exist. It is a somewhat esoteric concept with a somewhat dreamy art design that the average player won't be able to get into it.
But it will have it's supporters (me for one) so it should do well enough.
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I see I hit a sensitive note with the fanbois....I guess we will just have to see when Aion is released how right I know I am....I will stick with my story- no way this game is successful as AoC or WAR in America, and no way its even getting close to CoH type numbers.
And when it doesnt, trust that Ill be here throwing it in your faces. Ive played MMO's since 1997, and have learned to call failures before they even happen. I did it with Vanguard, UO2, Horizons, Dark & Light- the list goes on- you name it... Its a skill you develope over time after watching dozens of MMO's not only sink below expectations with their feature lists, but also put out titles that only a small minority is interested in.
Aion will be one of these Im afraid....perhaps it will be a big hit in Asia- sub par MMO's usually are...but not in America...sorry folks.
Well, I coudn't disagree. People don't understand that this will be a niche game here because they like it so much. But it's not going to fail. Just not have huge numbers. It just doesn't have universal appeal. But, if NC is smart they will only open a few servers. In this way they will be able to consolidate the playerbase and then they can open additional servers if the need seems to be there.
The game will "do well" just not WoW numbers. And nor it should. People have to start realizing that it's ok to be a niche product.
I bet if I went into any of your houses I would find all sorts of "unpopular" tastes. Tastes in music, movies, furniture, clothing. Not everything has to have mass appeal, nor should it strive for this. I find nothing inherently wrong with mass appeal as I don't really see myself as so arrogant as to disregard the "humanity" of the masses. But where you get that "something unique" is when you get something that is so well done and so different that it can only "speak" to a small number of people.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I dont even think its niche material....CoH is a successful niche product, and theres no way its going to attract that kind of following, not when its fantasy and its got the type of fantasy competition it will have next year.
And, to top it off, CoH numbers are falling as well....not enough depth...I see Aion as another Tabula Rasa, which is in a free-fall at he moment and has Garriott coming up with lame excuse after lame excuse as to why it is failing....
Now- dont misquote me and think Im comparing the two games and saying they are the same- they are not....I just think the end result is the same....
In DAoC you have 3 realms Albion, Midgard and Hibernia. Outside of the Frontiers and battleground (call them The Abyss) you can't go from one realm to the other.
The dungeon Darkness Falls can only be entered by the realm who controls it (which is done through frontiers pvp) aka World pvp... for dungeons.
You've pretty much just described DAoC in your post. Then said it would be the dumbest design choice ever done by a developer... AND not a western game.
Well far as I know DAoC is usually considered a pretty good PvP/RvR game and is most definitely western.
So what exactly did I read wrong? Because everything you describe sounds a lot like DAoC concepts to me.
Oh, it's niche. And it does have people interested. It's not a "standard" fantasy game because of it's subject. And as I don't really see the need to reinvent the class system (I personally like the class system... just wish there was more flexibility so that one tank was different from another... but that's another discusstion) you of course are going to find the standard classes.
But there is no "minimum" to be a niche product. I mean, seriously, how many of you are active listeners of Karl Stockhausen's music? (who recently died by the way).
Probably none. There is possibly the smallest of the smallest group that even knows about him. Yet he was successful in what he did and had his fans.
All NC needs are enough people to like the game to keep the bills being paid. I imagine it will be far larger in Korea and that will significantly pay for the developement.
As far as CoX games. I think they do very well but the long term appeal seems to be hard to maintain. That has nothing to do with the subject matter but everything to do with the development arc.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
Im with you sovrath
Finally a game with Graphics, design and animations to rival Lineage2's UnrealEngine art.
However im also eagerly wathcing AoC for its... "open" PvP system to hopefully Rival L2 and EvEs PvP systems. This game still seems to lack alot of the finesse in animations and design still thou. The new trailer was nice, but severly edited.
And not to forget Spellborn which hopefully will also bring a new era to Arena-Style PvP/gameplay togheter with the "make your own look" system. Also lack animation design astill sadly.
Warhammer you say?, well hopefully it'll be the next WoW in line, with hopefully focus on World-PvP.. like oldstyle WoW. But i stopeed follow this game with all the extended releases, which are good but gives me headaches to recieve
- so i wait and see.
I definetly wont swollow all the warhammer Hype, as the Hype meter sais nothing, just look at games like Vanguard, DnL (lol) and so on... you will just get dissapointed by eating all the hype.
On a sidenote, i believe it will be many years unthill we see another game with a playerbase like WoWs. Numer 1 reason is most WoW players game from the "outside". These new games will mostely get players from the other mmorpgs, and most likely spread out. This is why even a "small" mmorpg title like EvE is considered one of the best mmorpg out there in its area (open PvP, Sci-Fi, Sandboxgames etc....).
WoWs playerbase size is coused alot by all the comercials they did to the gamers outside the mmorpg land. WoW grew like a monster while not taking or killing other games (to an extent ofcourse
).
Also just becouse many of these "new" mmorpg players liked WoW, does not mean they are what ppl in here call western-players. Many of these gamers have yet only played WoW... How do you know what other games theyll play?
Personally id say Aion looks ALOT more like the WoW style then AoC does... So according to the Western-Styled logic more WoW players would jump to Aion making it larger then AoC!
Shees..
And aslong as a game has enough playerbase to actively fill 1 big server, the game itself can be as good as any other to the ones on that server. Just look at games like EvE. Many players there wouldnt touch WoW with a 3 meter stick.
p.s - English is my second language, im perfectly aware of spellingmistakes and others errors...
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" Its a skill you develope over time"
Thats funny. What do you think when they develop a mmo their expecting a player base of MILLIONS like wow? Or do you look at it like ..well not as big as WOW ...I was right its a flop.. lmao. Get a clue the developers KNOW their game wont be like WOW and expect a certain size player base and try to grow from there. Saying you know about Vanguard lol everyone new about that yet its still going.
So just because a MMO did not turn out like YOU expected does not mean you are right. So sorry its not a skill.
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
You honestly think AOC will have more subs world wide than Aion? Interesting...
Evidently YOU need to get a clue-I said nothing about WoW..go back and read all of my posts, then you can respond again with some sense...
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
You honestly think AOC will have more subs world wide than Aion? Interesting...
No contest...not even close....like I said- go look at the pre-launch community over at the AoC official site..it wont even be close....
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
Uumm..I guess you guys forgot we're talking about America here..not Asia where they dont know the diff between a grindfest and an MMO.
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
You honestly think AOC will have more subs world wide than Aion? Interesting...
No contest...not even close....like I said- go look at the pre-launch community over at the AoC official site..it wont even be close....
having registations at the community forum means jack. there are plenty of MMO's that had many, many registations on forums that by far did not live up to in subscribtion numbers. Please don't delude yourself by thinking forum registrations are any indication of future subscribtions.
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
That was my point. Your attitude completley gets in the way of your message..Alot of us have been playing MMOs for a long time and understand the way things work.
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
Uumm..I guess you guys forgot we're talking about America here..not Asia where they dont know the diff between a grindfest and an MMO.
No we are not. if you look at the post you quoted you will notice he said TOTAL SUBS. not NA subs.
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
That was my point. Your attitude completley gets in the way of your message..Alot of us have been playing MMOs for a long time and understand the way things work.
umm..are you willing to clarify that a bit?
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
Uumm..I guess you guys forgot we're talking about America here..not Asia where they dont know the diff between a grindfest and an MMO.
No we are not. if you look at the post you quoted you will notice he said TOTAL SUBS. not NA subs.
So wether a game is successful or not depends on if it is based on a style of play you like and where the majority of subscriptions are as opposed to the total number of subscriptions? Make sure to steer clear of any future business ventures.
I will bet you Aion will have more total subs than AOC.
I truly had to LOL./LMAO at that one....tell you what- go post that over in the AoC forums, or better yet- visit the official AoC community and count how many board members they have 4 months before the launch of their game......hah!
keep in mind that he said total subscribtion, as in, worldwide.
keep in mind that Funcom's previous game, AO, barely had 150k ~ 200k subscribers at peak. to Compare, NCsoft's previous games, Lineage and Lineage 2 had millions of subscribers. Lineage 1 had over 5 million subscribers at one point and lineage 2 peaked around 4 million subscribers. both games still have around 1 million subscribers years after release.
That Aion will have more total subscribers than Age of Conan is pretty much a given.
That was my point. Your attitude completley gets in the way of your message..Alot of us have been playing MMOs for a long time and understand the way things work.
umm..are you willing to clarify that a bit?
That was directed at Valant