While the games you call F2P only have a item shop, they ALL make your life miserable if you don't buy stuff from the item shop. Considering this, would you classefie Pirates of the Caribbean Online as F2P? It has a "don't pay a cent and play" plan. Do you consider its F2P business model correct for that category?
while i agreed that your statement is true for some (or a lot of) f2p mmorpgs, but GE definitely is not one of those. I know what i am saying because i have 6x level 100 characters and have been playing for 3 months without spending a cent in their cash shop. (and i finally spent some money few weeks ago because i feel bad to play their game without letting them to make a cent from me )
Originally posted by kaldyraOriginally posted by Ravens0ul
While the games you call F2P only have a item shop, they ALL make your life miserable if you don't buy stuff from the item shop. Considering this, would you classefie Pirates of the Caribbean Online as F2P? It has a "don't pay a cent and play" plan. Do you consider its F2P business model correct for that category?
while i agreed that your statement is true for some (or a lot of) f2p mmorpgs, but GE definitely is not one of those. I know what i am saying because i have 6x level 100 characters and have been playing for 3 months without spending a cent in their cash shop. (and i finally spent some money few weeks ago because i feel bad to play their game without letting them to make a cent from me )
Yeah sure you bought something from the item shop because you felt guilty. I suspect you bought something that was unattainable in game, and that's how these so called free to play games coerce.
Now you can never say it is free to play. Thanks for being honest. Most people who play these games are not and don't admit they have purchased from the item shop and insist it is free to play.
Originally posted by kaldyraOriginally posted by Ravens0ul
While the games you call F2P only have a item shop, they ALL make your life miserable if you don't buy stuff from the item shop. Considering this, would you classefie Pirates of the Caribbean Online as F2P? It has a "don't pay a cent and play" plan. Do you consider its F2P business model correct for that category?
while i agreed that your statement is true for some (or a lot of) f2p mmorpgs, but GE definitely is not one of those. I know what i am saying because i have 6x level 100 characters and have been playing for 3 months without spending a cent in their cash shop. (and i finally spent some money few weeks ago because i feel bad to play their game without letting them to make a cent from me )
Yeah sure you bought something from the item shop because you felt guilty. I suspect you bought something that was unattainable in game, and that's how these so called free to play games coerce.
Now you can never say it is free to play. Thanks for being honest. Most people who play these games are not and don't admit they have purchased from the item shop and insist it is free to play.
Saying an entire game is not free to play just because there are a few items that can be paid for with real life money is downright stupid. Those items are there to enhance the experience, like an XP boost or a gold drop % boost. Your whole arguement is ridiculous. You can download the game, you can get every piece of equipments and fights against mob and do anything you like for free, but we can not consider this game to be able to play for free because you have optional boosts you can buy for your characters...?
That's like going to a dinner where all the food is free but you have to pay for the drinks and then claim that you have to pay to eat there.
I love the last part of your post though. "Most people don't want to admit...". Oh darn Samurai.. you really got us now. our secret's out. It's true, it's all one big conspiracy to make you believe those games are free.
Saying an entire game is not free to play just because there are a few items that can be paid for with real life money is downright stupid. Those items are there to enhance the experience, like an XP boost or a gold drop % boost.
I'm so tired of these BS marketing claims.
"the items are there to 'enhance' the experience"
It's like going to your grocery store:
"If you want the tomatoes that don't have dents in them and taste better, pay more. It will enhance your experience."
I totally disagree. At no time are you 'hounded' into purchasing anything in GE/Sword. I have a full Clan of people who consistently play Sword/GE and never purchase anything from the cash shop. They have full Customer Support from K2 (IAH Games does as well). They get to participate in GM Events and XP events and get everything I get and they never have to pay a dime. Guild Wars on the other hand FORCES you to pay them $19.99 AT LEAST to get in. That does not occur with the other games.
I'm sorry, but this whole situation falls under the same mistake as WoW players claiming all other games copy/steal everything from WoW.
GW was pretty much the first F2P MMO developed, or atleast released in the west. All those other games you've listed came long after GW was initially released. GW is the game that started the term "F2P" and pretty much the entire F2P craze that is abundant to this day. I see no reason to take it out of the classification that it created.
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Originally posted by sartoriusOriginally posted by boommer99
I totally disagree. At no time are you 'hounded' into purchasing anything in GE/Sword. I have a full Clan of people who consistently play Sword/GE and never purchase anything from the cash shop. They have full Customer Support from K2 (IAH Games does as well). They get to participate in GM Events and XP events and get everything I get and they never have to pay a dime. Guild Wars on the other hand FORCES you to pay them $19.99 AT LEAST to get in. That does not occur with the other games.
I'm sorry, but this whole situation falls under the same mistake as WoW players claiming all other games copy/steal everything from WoW.
GW was pretty much the first F2P MMO developed, or atleast released in the west. All those other games you've listed came long after GW was initially released. GW is the game that started the term "F2P" and pretty much the entire F2P craze that is abundant to this day. I see no reason to take it out of the classification that it created.
So I can download GW for free? or do I have to PAY for the client and thus PAY to play the game? GW is not a free to play game, it's subscription free, an enormous difference.
orignially posted by Gameloading
That's like going to a dinner where all the food is free but you have to pay for the drinks and then claim that you have to pay to eat there. If you are paying for drinks, that must be ordered, in able to eat food that you then won't be charged for, then of course you are paying for that food. The purchasing of the drinks was a necessity in order to get the meal. Only a fool would trick themselves into believing the food was therefore free.
It's like when people paid SOE $5 for shipping the SWG beta disk, and then claimed they weren't paying to play the beta.
It all depends on what your definition of F2P is. Many people consider it a game without a monthly subscription. Others think that you shouldnt pay anything for the game or subscription. However, in many of the so called F2P games, they have item malls where you must pay $$ (sometimes a lot) to have required items in order to advance. So many are not free at all. This makes sense, since the games have to generate some sort of revinue.
In the end, I think its fine that they list GW as a F2P game
Saying an entire game is not free to play just because there are a few items that can be paid for with real life money is downright stupid. Those items are there to enhance the experience, like an XP boost or a gold drop % boost.
I'm so tired of these BS marketing claims.
"the items are there to 'enhance' the experience"
It's like going to your grocery store:
"If you want the tomatoes that don't have dents in them and taste better, pay more. It will enhance your experience."
it's marketing bs.
No, your arguement is sillyt. It's rare that a game offers rare or good items in a cash shop, XP boosters and customization options are not required in any mmorpg thus it enhances the experience.
Originally posted by sartoriusOriginally posted by boommer99
I totally disagree. At no time are you 'hounded' into purchasing anything in GE/Sword. I have a full Clan of people who consistently play Sword/GE and never purchase anything from the cash shop. They have full Customer Support from K2 (IAH Games does as well). They get to participate in GM Events and XP events and get everything I get and they never have to pay a dime. Guild Wars on the other hand FORCES you to pay them $19.99 AT LEAST to get in. That does not occur with the other games.
I'm sorry, but this whole situation falls under the same mistake as WoW players claiming all other games copy/steal everything from WoW.
GW was pretty much the first F2P MMO developed, or atleast released in the west. All those other games you've listed came long after GW was initially released. GW is the game that started the term "F2P" and pretty much the entire F2P craze that is abundant to this day. I see no reason to take it out of the classification that it created.
So I can download GW for free? or do I have to PAY for the client and thus PAY to play the game? GW is not a free to play game, it's subscription free, an enormous difference.
orignially posted by Gameloading
That's like going to a dinner where all the food is free but you have to pay for the drinks and then claim that you have to pay to eat there. If you are paying for drinks, that must be ordered, in able to eat food that you then won't be charged for, then of course you are paying for that food. The purchasing of the drinks was a necessity in order to get the meal. Only a fool would trick themselves into believing the food was therefore free.
It's like when people paid SOE $5 for shipping the SWG beta disk, and then claimed they weren't paying to play the beta.
And here is where your wrong, because paying for drinks was not a necessity, you were not forced to buy those drinks, You don't have to pay for the drinks to get the food, just like you don't have to pay for items to be able to play the game.
We can simple ask ourself the question:
Can these games be played without ever spending a penny? The answer is YES, hence the game is free to play.
OP- sorry, but sounds less like you care about the classification and more about YOUR game being #1 on the list. I believe that no subscription = F2P. Since there's like 2-3 games out there that are "B2P" there is no need for that classification at this point.
That's just my opinion though, which I am entitled to.
OP- sorry, but sounds less like you care about the classification and more about YOUR game being #1 on the list. I believe that no subscription = F2P. Since there's like 2-3 games out there that are "B2P" there is no need for that classification at this point.
That's just my opinion though, which I am entitled to.
At no point have I touted that 'my' game should be number one. What I have touted is that Guild Wars seems WAY out of place.
The fact is, the other games in the category do not charge an entrance fee. They also do not charge a monthly fee and they also ALL launched this year.
Guild Wars fails on two of the three.
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Well, I partially agree with this. But just partially.
I don't know about all the games mentioned on the first post except for GE, but I can honestly say that GE really IS a f2p game. Why? Simple. Even though you can buy items from the Cash Shop, the game can be perfectly played without Cash Shop items. You won't get some things like some costumes, some UPCs (Unique Player Characters), special event costumes (this Christmas's special costume requires Cash items to be made) and you may get some XP/SP bonus with certain Cash items, along with other things, BUT you can still play it AND be as good as anyone else even if you don't buy Cash items.
I'll give an opposite example now: Silkroad Online. Joymax says it's f2p, but it's very hard to pay without Item Mall items. With the Item Mall, you may buy special costumes that gives bonus to your character, items that double your XP and/or SP for an entire month (so does GE, but GE's XP/SP items don't double the ammount, just increase by a certain percentage), pets that collect items for you (and since these pets only last for 30 days, there's also an item to "ressurrect" these pets after their period is over), items that help you upgrade your items (actually GE has one Cash item to help upgrading too, but it's not as good compared to SRO's ones) and much more. Also, since the game is always full of bots and thus giving "Server Traffic" errors frequently ("Server Traffic" = error shown when the server is full), they have made an Item Mall item called Premium that increases XP/SP, attack, defense, attack rating, chance of success on alchemy (alchemy = upgrade items) and much more AND allows you to connect even when the server is full. That means, instead of banning the bots, they prefer to push more Item Mall items to their players in order to grab even more cash from their players.
If you buy a Gold Premium (Gold = double XP/SP), an item-grabbing pet and some items to help with alchemy, you already have a BIG advantage over a f2p player, because:
- You'll get double XP/SP, thus leveling up faster;
- You'll be able to play even when the server is full;
- You don't have to stop to pick items from the floor because your pet will do it for you, what also increases your leveling speed;
- You have greatly increased chance of success on alchemy, so you can much more easily produce +7 or better items.
Anyway, my point is: some games really ARE f2p, while others just claim to be.
No you silly billys, while you argue about F2P vs P2P I have seen no one mention the simple fact that MMORPG and most of the world consider F2P as being "without a monthly fee regardless of the front end cost of the software" vs P2P which has a "monthly fee to access the game". It is as simple as that.
So under the definition that MMORPG clearly uses for F2P vs P2P you can see that GW does indeed belong in that category along with most of those horrid asian grindfest turdburger games.
Just look at thier games list and you will see a the break down of games that fall under P2P vs F2P as being defined exclusively by the monthly fee and no other cost.
If you think that the awards and voting should be different go make your own popular gaming website and have it set up however your heart desires.
Originally posted by GoddiQ Well, F2P does mean Free To Play, and it's Free To Play, so it does belong there, if you look at it that way. Besides, why is it so important? , it's not like the end of the world it's in that catagorry
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
As someone above posted, MMORPG (and probably the industry, really) views F2P as games not having a subscription fee. That's how they view it, period. The whole discussion is kind of just being anal about the definition of a phrase. As someone else said, who really cares? It won't affect a single game on the list, lol.
Originally posted by GoddiQ Well, F2P does mean Free To Play, and it's Free To Play, so it does belong there, if you look at it that way. Besides, why is it so important? , it's not like the end of the world it's in that catagorry
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR: Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
More people eat at McDonalds, or KFC than eat at a quality sit down restaurant. Even more so than eat at a 5 star establishment. Britney Spears, etc. I'm pretty sure Club Penguin is pulling in better numbers than either GW, or GE. Same with Habbo Hotel, Webkinz, etc.
PS: Both Fury, and GE:TFotKFMC both required a box purchase initially, and one could argue that Fury still does given they gimp you pretty good for going the free route.
PSS: F2P means Free to PLAY, not Free to Purchase. GW costs nothing to play the game, hence F2P.
When people say free to play they mean no subscription, at least until some PR asshole comes along and spins it in another direction. Meaning, the people trying to sell you the games are making up the words and their definitions, not the fans of the games that are losing votes to Guild Wars.
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Originally posted by Coldmeat Originally posted by GoddiQ
Well, F2P does mean Free To Play, and it's Free To Play, so it does belong there, if you look at it that way.
Besides, why is it so important? , it's not like the end of the world it's in that catagorry
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
According to MMOGchart.com, that is not true. Where is your evidence?
That's probably because MMOGchart:
1: Only counts MMO's with a subscribtion fee
2: Does not touch on every mmorpg out there.
Just look up numbers of the amount of people playing games like Westward Journey Online 2, Fantasy Westward Journey, MU online and Yulgang online and you'll understand.
If it wasn't for World of Warcraft, the amount of people playing Free to play mmorpg's would be larger in the United States as well.
Well, F2P does mean Free To Play, and it's Free To Play, so it does belong there, if you look at it that way.
Besides, why is it so important? , it's not like the end of the world it's in that catagorry
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
More people eat at McDonalds, or KFC than eat at a quality sit down restaurant. Even more so than eat at a 5 star establishment. Britney Spears, etc. I'm pretty sure Club Penguin is pulling in better numbers than either GW, or GE. Same with Habbo Hotel, Webkinz, etc.
PS: Both Fury, and GE:TFotKFMC both required a box purchase initially, and one could argue that Fury still does given they gimp you pretty good for going the free route.
PSS: F2P means Free to PLAY, not Free to Purchase. GW costs nothing to play the game, hence F2P.
That has nothing to do with your arguement, your question was the people who cared. your opinion on the quality of those games had nothing to do with it.
It's a trick question. Their opinion doesn't count.
I was merely addressing your statement that oodles of people play free games. But so what? The majority aren't generating revenue for the company, all they are is dead weight tying up bandwidth, and adding to the server load. Hence, no one that actually matters really cares much about their opinions. What are they going to do, demand a refund? Threaten to take their non-existent business elsewhere?
Well, F2P does mean Free To Play, and it's Free To Play, so it does belong there, if you look at it that way.
Besides, why is it so important? , it's not like the end of the world it's in that catagorry
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
More people eat at McDonalds, or KFC than eat at a quality sit down restaurant. Even more so than eat at a 5 star establishment. Britney Spears, etc. I'm pretty sure Club Penguin is pulling in better numbers than either GW, or GE. Same with Habbo Hotel, Webkinz, etc.
PS: Both Fury, and GE:TFotKFMC both required a box purchase initially, and one could argue that Fury still does given they gimp you pretty good for going the free route.
PSS: F2P means Free to PLAY, not Free to Purchase. GW costs nothing to play the game, hence F2P.
Actually GE:Sword never REQUIRED a box purchase initially. IAH games gave 6 months free then went F2P and K2 Network only required you start your subscription, you never had to buy the box for either version.
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GW is a terrible game anyway... so... ya... it goes near the bottom of my F2P rankings
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while i agreed that your statement is true for some (or a lot of) f2p mmorpgs, but GE definitely is not one of those. I know what i am saying because i have 6x level 100 characters and have been playing for 3 months without spending a cent in their cash shop. (and i finally spent some money few weeks ago because i feel bad to play their game without letting them to make a cent from me
)
while i agreed that your statement is true for some (or a lot of) f2p mmorpgs, but GE definitely is not one of those. I know what i am saying because i have 6x level 100 characters and have been playing for 3 months without spending a cent in their cash shop. (and i finally spent some money few weeks ago because i feel bad to play their game without letting them to make a cent from me
)
Yeah sure you bought something from the item shop because you felt guilty.
I suspect you bought something that was unattainable in game, and that's how these so called free to play games coerce.
Now you can never say it is free to play. Thanks for being honest. Most people who play these games are not and don't admit they have purchased from the item shop and insist it is free to play.
while i agreed that your statement is true for some (or a lot of) f2p mmorpgs, but GE definitely is not one of those. I know what i am saying because i have 6x level 100 characters and have been playing for 3 months without spending a cent in their cash shop. (and i finally spent some money few weeks ago because i feel bad to play their game without letting them to make a cent from me
)
Yeah sure you bought something from the item shop because you felt guilty.
I suspect you bought something that was unattainable in game, and that's how these so called free to play games coerce.
Now you can never say it is free to play. Thanks for being honest. Most people who play these games are not and don't admit they have purchased from the item shop and insist it is free to play.
Saying an entire game is not free to play just because there are a few items that can be paid for with real life money is downright stupid. Those items are there to enhance the experience, like an XP boost or a gold drop % boost. Your whole arguement is ridiculous. You can download the game, you can get every piece of equipments and fights against mob and do anything you like for free, but we can not consider this game to be able to play for free because you have optional boosts you can buy for your characters...?
That's like going to a dinner where all the food is free but you have to pay for the drinks and then claim that you have to pay to eat there.
I love the last part of your post though. "Most people don't want to admit...". Oh darn Samurai.. you really got us now. our secret's out. It's true, it's all one big conspiracy to make you believe those games are free.
"the items are there to 'enhance' the experience"
It's like going to your grocery store:
"If you want the tomatoes that don't have dents in them and taste better, pay more. It will enhance your experience."
it's marketing bs.
GW was pretty much the first F2P MMO developed, or atleast released in the west. All those other games you've listed came long after GW was initially released. GW is the game that started the term "F2P" and pretty much the entire F2P craze that is abundant to this day. I see no reason to take it out of the classification that it created.
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with formal manifestations of respect, even by those most familiar with him."
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GW was pretty much the first F2P MMO developed, or atleast released in the west. All those other games you've listed came long after GW was initially released. GW is the game that started the term "F2P" and pretty much the entire F2P craze that is abundant to this day. I see no reason to take it out of the classification that it created.
So I can download GW for free? or do I have to PAY for the client and thus PAY to play the game? GW is not a free to play game, it's subscription free, an enormous difference.
orignially posted by Gameloading
That's like going to a dinner where all the food is free but you have to pay for the drinks and then claim that you have to pay to eat there.
If you are paying for drinks, that must be ordered, in able to eat food that you then won't be charged for, then of course you are paying for that food. The purchasing of the drinks was a necessity in order to get the meal. Only a fool would trick themselves into believing the food was therefore free.
It's like when people paid SOE $5 for shipping the SWG beta disk, and then claimed they weren't paying to play the beta.
It all depends on what your definition of F2P is. Many people consider it a game without a monthly subscription. Others think that you shouldnt pay anything for the game or subscription. However, in many of the so called F2P games, they have item malls where you must pay $$ (sometimes a lot) to have required items in order to advance. So many are not free at all. This makes sense, since the games have to generate some sort of revinue.
In the end, I think its fine that they list GW as a F2P game
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"the items are there to 'enhance' the experience"
It's like going to your grocery store:
"If you want the tomatoes that don't have dents in them and taste better, pay more. It will enhance your experience."
it's marketing bs.
No, your arguement is sillyt. It's rare that a game offers rare or good items in a cash shop, XP boosters and customization options are not required in any mmorpg thus it enhances the experience.
GW was pretty much the first F2P MMO developed, or atleast released in the west. All those other games you've listed came long after GW was initially released. GW is the game that started the term "F2P" and pretty much the entire F2P craze that is abundant to this day. I see no reason to take it out of the classification that it created.
So I can download GW for free? or do I have to PAY for the client and thus PAY to play the game? GW is not a free to play game, it's subscription free, an enormous difference.
orignially posted by Gameloading
That's like going to a dinner where all the food is free but you have to pay for the drinks and then claim that you have to pay to eat there.
If you are paying for drinks, that must be ordered, in able to eat food that you then won't be charged for, then of course you are paying for that food. The purchasing of the drinks was a necessity in order to get the meal. Only a fool would trick themselves into believing the food was therefore free.
It's like when people paid SOE $5 for shipping the SWG beta disk, and then claimed they weren't paying to play the beta.
And here is where your wrong, because paying for drinks was not a necessity, you were not forced to buy those drinks, You don't have to pay for the drinks to get the food, just like you don't have to pay for items to be able to play the game.
We can simple ask ourself the question:
Can these games be played without ever spending a penny? The answer is YES, hence the game is free to play.
OP- sorry, but sounds less like you care about the classification and more about YOUR game being #1 on the list. I believe that no subscription = F2P. Since there's like 2-3 games out there that are "B2P" there is no need for that classification at this point.
That's just my opinion though, which I am entitled to.
The fact is, the other games in the category do not charge an entrance fee. They also do not charge a monthly fee and they also ALL launched this year.
Guild Wars fails on two of the three.
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Well, I partially agree with this. But just partially.
I don't know about all the games mentioned on the first post except for GE, but I can honestly say that GE really IS a f2p game. Why? Simple. Even though you can buy items from the Cash Shop, the game can be perfectly played without Cash Shop items. You won't get some things like some costumes, some UPCs (Unique Player Characters), special event costumes (this Christmas's special costume requires Cash items to be made) and you may get some XP/SP bonus with certain Cash items, along with other things, BUT you can still play it AND be as good as anyone else even if you don't buy Cash items.
I'll give an opposite example now: Silkroad Online. Joymax says it's f2p, but it's very hard to pay without Item Mall items. With the Item Mall, you may buy special costumes that gives bonus to your character, items that double your XP and/or SP for an entire month (so does GE, but GE's XP/SP items don't double the ammount, just increase by a certain percentage), pets that collect items for you (and since these pets only last for 30 days, there's also an item to "ressurrect" these pets after their period is over), items that help you upgrade your items (actually GE has one Cash item to help upgrading too, but it's not as good compared to SRO's ones) and much more. Also, since the game is always full of bots and thus giving "Server Traffic" errors frequently ("Server Traffic" = error shown when the server is full), they have made an Item Mall item called Premium that increases XP/SP, attack, defense, attack rating, chance of success on alchemy (alchemy = upgrade items) and much more AND allows you to connect even when the server is full. That means, instead of banning the bots, they prefer to push more Item Mall items to their players in order to grab even more cash from their players.
If you buy a Gold Premium (Gold = double XP/SP), an item-grabbing pet and some items to help with alchemy, you already have a BIG advantage over a f2p player, because:
- You'll get double XP/SP, thus leveling up faster;
- You'll be able to play even when the server is full;
- You don't have to stop to pick items from the floor because your pet will do it for you, what also increases your leveling speed;
- You have greatly increased chance of success on alchemy, so you can much more easily produce +7 or better items.
Anyway, my point is: some games really ARE f2p, while others just claim to be.
Fortunately, GE is f2p.
No you silly billys, while you argue about F2P vs P2P I have seen no one mention the simple fact that MMORPG and most of the world consider F2P as being "without a monthly fee regardless of the front end cost of the software" vs P2P which has a "monthly fee to access the game". It is as simple as that.
So under the definition that MMORPG clearly uses for F2P vs P2P you can see that GW does indeed belong in that category along with most of those horrid asian grindfest turdburger games.
Just look at thier games list and you will see a the break down of games that fall under P2P vs F2P as being defined exclusively by the monthly fee and no other cost.
If you think that the awards and voting should be different go make your own popular gaming website and have it set up however your heart desires.
Well, F2P does mean Free To Play, and it's Free To Play, so it does belong there, if you look at it that way.
Besides, why is it so important? , it's not like the end of the world it's in that catagorry
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
According to MMOGchart.com, that is not true. Where is your evidence?
As someone above posted, MMORPG (and probably the industry, really) views F2P as games not having a subscription fee. That's how they view it, period. The whole discussion is kind of just being anal about the definition of a phrase. As someone else said, who really cares? It won't affect a single game on the list, lol.
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More people eat at McDonalds, or KFC than eat at a quality sit down restaurant. Even more so than eat at a 5 star establishment. Britney Spears, etc. I'm pretty sure Club Penguin is pulling in better numbers than either GW, or GE. Same with Habbo Hotel, Webkinz, etc.
PS: Both Fury, and GE:TFotKFMC both required a box purchase initially, and one could argue that Fury still does given they gimp you pretty good for going the free route.
PSS: F2P means Free to PLAY, not Free to Purchase. GW costs nothing to play the game, hence F2P.
When people say free to play they mean no subscription, at least until some PR asshole comes along and spins it in another direction. Meaning, the people trying to sell you the games are making up the words and their definitions, not the fans of the games that are losing votes to Guild Wars.
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Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
According to MMOGchart.com, that is not true. Where is your evidence?
That's probably because MMOGchart:1: Only counts MMO's with a subscribtion fee
2: Does not touch on every mmorpg out there.
Just look up numbers of the amount of people playing games like Westward Journey Online 2, Fantasy Westward Journey, MU online and Yulgang online and you'll understand.
If it wasn't for World of Warcraft, the amount of people playing Free to play mmorpg's would be larger in the United States as well.
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
More people eat at McDonalds, or KFC than eat at a quality sit down restaurant. Even more so than eat at a 5 star establishment. Britney Spears, etc. I'm pretty sure Club Penguin is pulling in better numbers than either GW, or GE. Same with Habbo Hotel, Webkinz, etc.
PS: Both Fury, and GE:TFotKFMC both required a box purchase initially, and one could argue that Fury still does given they gimp you pretty good for going the free route.
PSS: F2P means Free to PLAY, not Free to Purchase. GW costs nothing to play the game, hence F2P.
That has nothing to do with your arguement, your question was the people who cared. your opinion on the quality of those games had nothing to do with it.
It's a trick question. Their opinion doesn't count.
I was merely addressing your statement that oodles of people play free games. But so what? The majority aren't generating revenue for the company, all they are is dead weight tying up bandwidth, and adding to the server load. Hence, no one that actually matters really cares much about their opinions. What are they going to do, demand a refund? Threaten to take their non-existent business elsewhere?
Because it might take away some votes from their super favoritest game EVAR:
Granola Espaniola - The Flyght of the Korean Fairie Mangina Chyld.
The more pressing question is who actually cares about F2P games?
considering that worldwide there are more people playing Free to play mmorpg's than pay to play mmo's, I'd say quite a lot.
More people eat at McDonalds, or KFC than eat at a quality sit down restaurant. Even more so than eat at a 5 star establishment. Britney Spears, etc. I'm pretty sure Club Penguin is pulling in better numbers than either GW, or GE. Same with Habbo Hotel, Webkinz, etc.
PS: Both Fury, and GE:TFotKFMC both required a box purchase initially, and one could argue that Fury still does given they gimp you pretty good for going the free route.
PSS: F2P means Free to PLAY, not Free to Purchase. GW costs nothing to play the game, hence F2P.
Actually GE:Sword never REQUIRED a box purchase initially. IAH games gave 6 months free then went F2P and K2 Network only required you start your subscription, you never had to buy the box for either version.
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