I don't believe it !! I missed out on all the ££££££ or $$$$$$ that I could have won instead of fatal1ty !
I think the fatal1tyette gaming handbag and matching accessories collection could have sold millions.
I should just believe in my genes, forget about skills and months of training.
Beside the joke, I do think female and male players should compete together. It would make the whole scene a bit more "glamorous" as well and would probably pull in more sponsorship.
I'm suprised it was written by the BBC and not the Daily Mail.
p.s. but on the matter of intelligence, which clearly relates to game playing, all current research in psychology shows that women are universally more intelligent than men, and in the specialist field of cognitive heuristics it shows that women are better at making "critical decisions" than men. Surely the latter is a key attribute for game playing?
And yet you say you are not a feminist ? , but yet you still do keep to put your self above "men" because you think science says your more clever ?.
If all current research says that women are more intelligent when it comes to critical decision making etc. , why is it then that its still men world wide domating and sitting in the most powerfull offices.
Seriously , don't even bring it up , and on the Danish CS Scene you have allways limped behind the male counterpart, when SoA existed and was the best, and now your behind NoA.
You can't play with the best of the best since your not really apart of that community since you keep seperating your self into gender tournaments where its girls vs girls and men vs men.
p.s. but on the matter of intelligence, which clearly relates to game playing, all current research in psychology shows that women are universally more intelligent than men, and in the specialist field of cognitive heuristics it shows that women are better at making "critical decisions" than men. Surely the latter is a key attribute for game playing?
I think you're confusing capacity for intelligence as opposed to actually being intelligent. I've met both men and women that are dumb as bricks as well as have met men and women that are sharp as tacks. Intelligence ultimately is about how you use what you have learned over the years, it's not something pre-determined at birth. Which is something I've read these so called "studies" say. Oh, their brain is 1/5th of an inch bigger, therefore they MUST be smarter, right?
In psychology I actually learned that men for the most part tend to use the side of the brain that deals with logic (math, science, physics etc.) and that women tend to use their creative side (writing, painting etc.) So, if I went by your logic, then the reality SHOULD be, that men are more "intelligent" and therefore more capable for the fields of nuclear physics, architecture etc. While women SHOULD end up being no more than aspiring artists that work as waitresses until they "hit it big" It could be pre-determinedly argued that "universally" men are more intelligent than women because they use the logical side of the brain as opposed to the side that simply wants to write poetry.
See this is what stinks about generalizations, and I think it low of you to try and bring the "intelligence" argument in here. But then again, considering the type of responses and childish threads I've seen here, I can see where one can't help but lower themselves if only for a short bit.
As for your defenses against your guild, you're obviously missing the signs/cues the players here are seeing. They see a thread named "It's OFFICIAL, girl gamers are better than boy gamers" You post an article, which by the way, has shown no actual proof to your thread's claims. Then on top of that you post the name of your guild "Femme Fatales" (if that doesn't sound to you as pro "female-only" then you need to find a french dictionary quick) and say you're recruiting. You can argue that your guild is not female only, but the way you have presented it lends credence to the opposite.
I'm going to use a hypothetical situation, and an extreme one at that. But maybe it'll give you a clue as to what I'm talking about. Warning, this will be very extreme and some might even consider it distasteful. But I like to show extremes because I think it can sometimes give clearer pictures of smaller, blurrier situations.
"It's OFFICIAL Nazi scientists have found out that people of color have lower intelligence than the white race (yes this actually happened)" then I post a thread with the findings of these so called scientists, which by the way didn't do any real research other than measure the skull size of the respective races. It didn't have any substantial evidence as to actually WHY the white race was "smarter" than colored people, only that the skull sizes were different. Big whoop.
At the end you post an endorsement for your guild called "the new Nazi revolutionaries". and how exactly do you expect people to react?
Now one can argue "Oh no, it's not being racist. See if you look at our page we actually accept people of all races, not only that, our name says we're revolutionaries, we're not the same blah blah blah" and yes, they might be completely right, their intentions might be completely harmless, but when people see the way it was presented in the article, how do you expect people to react?
Ok Hypothetical situation over. Your guild might be feminist, might not, quite frankly don't care. But the way you had presented it in the article led credence to a different opinion. What I really think happened here was. You saw an opportunity to get the attention of female gamers and supporters here and have them join your "non-segregated" guild by using the message of female empowerment and "we'll show them we can play just as good yadda yadda yadda" and instead this opportinity backfired on you by posters who really don't care one way or the other.
Word of advice, presentation is key. How you try to advertise yourself, guild etc. can depict you in a positive, or a negative way. In this case, it backfired. If your guild really isn't feminist (again, don't know, don't care) then you could have easily advertised it in a separate thread instead of advertising it at the end of a thread that had a questionable title, a questionable article and advertised a non-gender specific guild with a questionable name. What you ended up doing is portray what could easily be considered underlying negative motives. Especially once you mentioned that you actually do interviews to make sure the players were really who they were, basically what you did was raise another flag and again, make players question your real motives.
End Note: Femmes Fatales will be recruiting for WarHammer two months before it is released.
Keri
xoxoxo
It's cute that you're making a women only guild. I'm sure the women in my guild will be happy to beat down a bunch of feminists alongside their male counterparts.
Whilst I did not wish to discuss the guild, I do feel I need to comment here. If you read the myspace material (under construction) on Femmes Fatales you will see that we have no time for "feminism" or any other "ism" for that matter. Readers might notice your use of the phrase "beat down" and make their own assumptions. However. it would be nice if you would research things carefully before making wild assertions. It is often better to think before making gross assumptions.
You may not be a feminist but you certainly are sexist. The title you chose suggests it and your comments defending this post prove it. You have placed your gender above the other one and that makes you a Sexist. A disturbing trend I have found in many of the women I talk to these days. You have traded the quest for equality in for what? Lies and propaganda?
It really isn't your fault you think like this, modern media has turned men into a joke. The next time you are watching commercials take a critical look at how men are portrayed. They are inept, bumbling, morons who can't seem to screw in a light bulb. Knuckle dragging barbarians that are constantly one-up'd by a sexy looking female.
Please rethink feminism, your views of it may be slighlty prejudice by the image of the female it conjores up.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
End Note: Femmes Fatales will be recruiting for WarHammer two months before it is released.
Keri
xoxoxo
It's cute that you're making a women only guild. I'm sure the women in my guild will be happy to beat down a bunch of feminists alongside their male counterparts.
Whilst I did not wish to discuss the guild, I do feel I need to comment here. If you read the myspace material (under construction) on Femmes Fatales you will see that we have no time for "feminism" or any other "ism" for that matter. Readers might notice your use of the phrase "beat down" and make their own assumptions. However. it would be nice if you would research things carefully before making wild assertions. It is often better to think before making gross assumptions.
You may not be a feminist but you certainly are sexist. The title you chose suggests it and your comments defending this post prove it. You have placed your gender above the other one and that makes you a Sexist. A disturbing trend I have found in many of the women I talk to these days. You have traded the quest for equality in for what? Lies and propaganda?
It really isn't your fault you think like this, modern media has turned men into a joke. The next time you are watching commercials take a critical look at how men are portrayed. They are inept, bumbling, morons who can't seem to screw in a light bulb. Knuckle dragging barbarians that are constantly one-up'd by a sexy looking female.
Please rethink feminism, your views of it may be slighlty prejudice by the image of the female it conjores up.
I would give up on that , since im apart of the community she and her friends are playing in and i listen to their bullshit daily on irc, where frankly the moderators of the channel allow it , because guess what , some of them has good looks
Actually, have to grosely disagree with you Wickersham
Men and women alike often segregate themselves from the opposite sex, not because of being sexist, but because they want to group up with people that they are more likely to understand.
For many men, and for many women, its their own same sex.
This doesn't make them sexist, it makes them your average person who wants to fit in, in a group, easily.
If you ask me, you're the one who is being sexist, as you just pointed a deragotory finger at women in general because of your anger towards them. (note, I am a man, although some people might argue over the validity of that fact)
The comment " A disturbing trend I have found in many of the women I talk to these days." is a disturbingly stereotyped and generalized comment, that I've not found to be true.
So rather than putting people down
why don't you do as the lady said, do a little research before you open your fat sexist mouth
I'm guessing your girlfriend/wife saw you looking at this post and threatened to take away the lovin' if you didn't defend her honor, or stand up for the females.
Either that or I'm actually gonna question the validity of the fact that you are indeed a man. But I just think it boils down to you wanting to get some.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
What else is new? We have known for years that females are much better at computer games, Martial Arts and Dancing then males are. Only problem is that they are not encouraged to perform it as much as males are.
Martial arts? Are you insane? I would eat my monitor if a female wins a K-1, Pride or UFC tournament. Their inferior weight and strenght is a great disadvantage and they would get torn apart.
Heck there has even been female contendors trying to fight in the same weight class in boxing, thai-boxing and kick-boxing and they didnt stand a chance so get your facts straight man.
As for computer games I have seen no evidence supporting that claim. Last time I checked all the major FPS titles are won by males.
Dancing, never seen any data regarding that either but who cares. Is that even a competetive sport?
As for not being encouraged, well yeah we all have our excuses for failing at something.
Anyway this whole thread is a troll post and should be locked... Clearly the content of the OPs post has nothing to do with the topic.
I'm guessing your girlfriend/wife saw you looking at this post and threatened to take away the lovin' if you didn't defend her honor, or stand up for the females. Either that or I'm actually gonna question the validity of the fact that you are indeed a man. But I just think it boils down to you wanting to get some.
I already have one baby and not a well enough paying job, I don't need another. I'm all set with "getting some"
The solution to the conundrum that is me, is that you need a vitale piece of information, and thats that I'm a hemoraging hippie goodness
Originally posted by pencilrick Women might make for better social gamers, but if I had a nickel for everytime some female druid cast her heal 3 seconds too late...
The most female druids are big fat men who are half asleep, sorry to tell you the sad facts, but it had to be done.
This especially holds true for the druids in wow. I think of all the druids I've had to group with only 2 were women and I know them personally.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
End Note: Femmes Fatales will be recruiting for WarHammer two months before it is released.
Keri
xoxoxo
It's cute that you're making a women only guild. I'm sure the women in my guild will be happy to beat down a bunch of feminists alongside their male counterparts.
A femmes fatales member once made a thread about femmes fatales to recruit. turns out they act more like virtual sluts then anything else, because apparenty that makes them feel like "females"
I'm Quite amazed at how quickly this topic degraded. In my opinion, Gender doesnt matter on who is better at games. It comes down to skill, logic, and reaction time. Further more, I dont think us girls would feel a need to validate ourselves if boys werent so condesending. It's all over this post. All you have to do is read the first 4 pages to see what kind of responses we get from our male peers. However, I was happy to see that some ppl did actualy respond to the argument in a way that was thought provoking. All in all , i think this topic is a good example of life in genral XD some women want to make statements some men still feel women should be seen not heard, and some men like haveing an intellectual debate.
I'm Quite amazed at how quickly this topic degraded. In my opinion, Gender doesnt matter on who is better at games. It comes down to skill, logic, and reaction time. Further more, I dont think us girls would feel a need to validate ourselves if boys werent so condesending. It's all over this post. All you have to do is read the first 4 pages to see what kind of responses we get from our male peers. However, I was happy to see that some ppl did actualy respond to the argument in a way that was thought provoking. All in all , i think this topic is a good example of life in genral XD some women want to make statements some men still feel women should be seen not heard, and some men like haveing an intellectual debate.
Quickly degraded? It started in a pretty degraded form by claiming something without have any facts to back it up. The message content didnt even attempt to argue the merit of the topic so it is just a flame bait.
Sorry but just because you are a women doesnt mean you can say anything you want and then hide behind "women should be seen not heard" argument when people respond to you.
Awful thread title nothing to do with the post and if the opposite were said aka its official men are better gamers there would be uproar and perhaps the thread would be removed because of anti sexism forum rules.
However it is a girl posting with no factual proof and for what seems to be a troll bait. I think I even met femme fatales in daoc they werent actually that good.
Terrible piece of journalism by the bbc too, I am almost ashamed to be british.
Originally posted by Arcken Take this for what its worth. When I was in high school we did a reflex test, 1 person stood with a stop watch, 1 person held a ruler at a certain level, and when the person with the stop watch said GO!, the ruler would be dropped and the third person would have to catch it as fast as they could. We measured reflexes based on what part of the ruler their thumb would rest on when they caught it. Wanna know something interesting? the "boys" dominated the girls, I mean outright blew even the sport oriented females out of the water. As I recall only 2 girls in our class actually beat any guys, and the guys they beat well, they werent rather heavy set and unathletic. I have a theory about this, of course, and I think it goes back to how girls have been raised inthe past. For guys it was almost expected that youd participate in team sports, both in school and extracurricular. Even the way the boys on the playground played compared to the girls showed that as a social norm boys were exposed to more athletically inclined activities. That being said theres a thing called muscle memory, its the reason my wife is constantly amazed that I catch things she drops. As men weve been immersed in heavy amounts of athletics even if we didnt want to be. Girls on the other hand, even the ones doing high school sports and what not, were probably never exposed to the level of athleticism that boys were at such an early age. Its sad, but its how our society is. Ive got 3 girls, and I aim to break that stereotype, I wrestle with my 3 year old like shes a boy, and she loves it. I refuse to buy them kitchen toys, or barbie cash registers, or bratz toys for that matter. I dont want them thinking theyre supposed to be in the kitchen, looking hot, waiting to crank out kids. That if anything has been whats put women behind men, athletically speaking, they dont get immersed in physical activity like the boys, who are practically born into it. Of course this whole boys vs girls things is ridiculous, it only widens the gender gap further, when we need to be closing it up.
I commend you sir for being a good father. You know what other benefits will come from you wrestling with your daughter and teaching her to be more athletic? You won't have to worry about her safety when she goes out since she'll probably be able to kick the butts of more than half the men she'll meet lol!
If anyone watches Ninja Warrior then you can see how tough girls can be even though most of them dont make it through the whole course but they have the potential. In the show I have seen marines and olympic stars fail and seen fishermans finish the whole thing.
Originally posted by Nausicca I'm Quite amazed at how quickly this topic degraded. In my opinion, Gender doesnt matter on who is better at games. It comes down to skill, logic, and reaction time. Further more, I dont think us girls would feel a need to validate ourselves if boys werent so condesending. It's all over this post. All you have to do is read the first 4 pages to see what kind of responses we get from our male peers. However, I was happy to see that some ppl did actualy respond to the argument in a way that was thought provoking. All in all , i think this topic is a good example of life in genral XD some women want to make statements some men still feel women should be seen not heard, and some men like haveing an intellectual debate.
No offense, but why would you feel a need to validate yourself to the guys here that are being condescending to you?I never thought there would be women THAT insecure of themselves that they feel the need to validate their position to random idiots on the internet. As for us guys that did make valid arguments. We honestly don't care one way or the other whatever it is that you're trying to prove and quite frankly you should be worrying more about yourselves. If you want to be respected, you have to respect yourself and by throwing negative statements trying to prove your superiority over the other sex is not the way to go.
I'm Quite amazed at how quickly this topic degraded. In my opinion, Gender doesnt matter on who is better at games. It comes down to skill, logic, and reaction time. Further more, I dont think us girls would feel a need to validate ourselves if boys werent so condesending. It's all over this post. All you have to do is read the first 4 pages to see what kind of responses we get from our male peers. However, I was happy to see that some ppl did actualy respond to the argument in a way that was thought provoking. All in all , i think this topic is a good example of life in genral XD some women want to make statements some men still feel women should be seen not heard, and some men like haveing an intellectual debate.
No offense, but why would you feel a need to validate yourself to the guys here that are being condescending to you?I never thought there would be women THAT insecure of themselves that they feel the need to validate their position to random idiots on the internet. As for us guys that did make valid arguments. We honestly don't care one way or the other whatever it is that you're trying to prove and quite frankly you should be worrying more about yourselves. If you want to be respected, you have to respect yourself and by throwing negative statements trying to prove your superiority over the other sex is not the way to go.
You're absolutely right BAne82.
I'm all for equal rights, and equal treatment, but you can't have that when people are freaking out about whos better, everryone jsut needs to stop caring so much, and just live life.
Lifes good! be happy merry and well.
Or if that doesn't work for you, go light up a dube, and chill out.
Peace, its New years eve party time! (if I can find the place...)
This news article from the BBC certainly hits the right note. Girls are better gamers than their male counterparts. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3496963.stm The women challenging the stereotype that professional online gaming is the realm of geeky men alone.
Anja Maller, aka Vildkatten
Anja Maller lives a double life. By day she is a 26-year-old single mother studying to be a journalist. But when she gets in front of her computer, she becomes Vildkatten, the scourge of the online world of Counter-Strike. Ms Maller is part of a growing breed of professional female gamers who are shaking up the traditional image of a gamer as a male geek who spends hours in a darkened bedroom, shooting anything in sight. "I have played computer games since I was a kid," says Ms Maller, a member of the Danish clan, DoMe. "It was inevitable that at some time I would run into Counter-Strike. I ran into it three-and-a-half years ago and I just got hooked straight away. It is just so much fun." Tactics and concentration Since its release in March 1999, Counter-Strike has become the most popular online shoot-'em-up of all time.
Men dominate in Counter-Strike
Its simple premise pits counter-terrorists vs terrorists, and it is played by tens of thousands of gamers across the world. It is widely seen as something of a boy's game due to its violent nature. But Ms Maller says it's about much more than just running around with all guns blazing. "At a professional level, you have a lot more aspects in the game than just shooting, like tactics, team spirit, concentration. There is a lot you have to focus on when you are playing at a competitive level." Her clan was one of a handful of professional female teams talking part in last month's Cyber X Games in Las Vegas, competing for a slice of the $600,000 on offer in cash and prizes. The imbalance between men and women was clear to see, with almost 50 male teams taking part, compared with just seven female squads. And as in the world of sport, there were separate competitions for each gender. Seek sponsorship "It is good that we are having female competitions," says 24-year-old Louise Thomson, another member of the DoMe clan, known online as Aurora.
Counter-Strike is 99% male, so females that do come into this world feel overpowered or that they are not welcomed
Louise Thomsen
"But it is two steps up and one step down as we are segregating males and females. It's saying that the girls aren't as good as the males." Ms Thomson was also introduced to computers at an early age. When she first came across Counter-Strike, she thought the game looked boring. After giving it a try, she was hooked. "It's like reading a book," she says. "You can sit by yourself and entertain yourself. You are in a world of your own, in your own little world." Gaming over the internet has proved so popular that there are professional teams, backed by corporate sponsors, who compete in international competitions for big prize pots. But it's hard for female teams like DoMe to be taken seriously and attract the kind of backing that top male clans enjoy. "The prize money is not the same," says Ms Maller of the Cyber X Games. "The guys look at our competition as a side event. But we take it seriously, hoping that it will become just as big as the event for the guys." What women want Part of the blame can be laid at the door of the games industry.
The DoMe team in Las Vegas
Traditionally, video games have been made by men for men, with many believing that women are only interested in role-playing, puzzles or adventure games. Female gamers dispute this, saying that what makes a great game and what appeals to women is subjective. "It is stupid to put female labels on games, it is better to appeal to the individual," says Ms Thomson. "But there are stereotypes. Counter-Strike is 99% male so females that do come into this world feel overpowered or that they are not welcomed. If people just opened their minds and didn't see us as being male or female, it would be much better." End Note: Femmes Fatales will be recruiting for WarHammer two months before it is released. myspace page is http://www.myspace.com/femmesfatalesguild(under construction) also see http://www.girlgamers.co.uk/forums/mainindex.php http://thegamergirls.com/ http://gamegal.com/
Have a great New Year !!!
Keri
xoxoxo
Dear Ms. Keridwan. First of all, this article from BBC is from February, 2004. She is not 26 anymore, her current age is 30. Second, I heard that she failed at university due to computer gamning (spent more time on computer then studie). Third, well dunno what I shall say anymore. She also used to be a model and made some proff picture of herself which she posted on her Counterstrike Clan site. To be honest I think you can compare it with either emo or epeen.....
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I don't believe it !! I missed out on all the ££££££ or $$$$$$ that I could have won instead of fatal1ty !
I think the fatal1tyette gaming handbag and matching accessories collection could have sold millions.
I should just believe in my genes, forget about skills and months of training.
Beside the joke, I do think female and male players should compete together. It would make the whole scene a bit more "glamorous" as well and would probably pull in more sponsorship.
I'm suprised it was written by the BBC and not the Daily Mail.
And yet you say you are not a feminist ? , but yet you still do keep to put your self above "men" because you think science says your more clever ?.
If all current research says that women are more intelligent when it comes to critical decision making etc. , why is it then that its still men world wide domating and sitting in the most powerfull offices.
Seriously , don't even bring it up , and on the Danish CS Scene you have allways limped behind the male counterpart, when SoA existed and was the best, and now your behind NoA.
You can't play with the best of the best since your not really apart of that community since you keep seperating your self into gender tournaments where its girls vs girls and men vs men.
List of SOE lies
I think you're confusing capacity for intelligence as opposed to actually being intelligent. I've met both men and women that are dumb as bricks as well as have met men and women that are sharp as tacks. Intelligence ultimately is about how you use what you have learned over the years, it's not something pre-determined at birth. Which is something I've read these so called "studies" say. Oh, their brain is 1/5th of an inch bigger, therefore they MUST be smarter, right?
In psychology I actually learned that men for the most part tend to use the side of the brain that deals with logic (math, science, physics etc.) and that women tend to use their creative side (writing, painting etc.) So, if I went by your logic, then the reality SHOULD be, that men are more "intelligent" and therefore more capable for the fields of nuclear physics, architecture etc. While women SHOULD end up being no more than aspiring artists that work as waitresses until they "hit it big" It could be pre-determinedly argued that "universally" men are more intelligent than women because they use the logical side of the brain as opposed to the side that simply wants to write poetry.
See this is what stinks about generalizations, and I think it low of you to try and bring the "intelligence" argument in here. But then again, considering the type of responses and childish threads I've seen here, I can see where one can't help but lower themselves if only for a short bit.
As for your defenses against your guild, you're obviously missing the signs/cues the players here are seeing. They see a thread named "It's OFFICIAL, girl gamers are better than boy gamers" You post an article, which by the way, has shown no actual proof to your thread's claims. Then on top of that you post the name of your guild "Femme Fatales" (if that doesn't sound to you as pro "female-only" then you need to find a french dictionary quick) and say you're recruiting. You can argue that your guild is not female only, but the way you have presented it lends credence to the opposite.
I'm going to use a hypothetical situation, and an extreme one at that. But maybe it'll give you a clue as to what I'm talking about. Warning, this will be very extreme and some might even consider it distasteful. But I like to show extremes because I think it can sometimes give clearer pictures of smaller, blurrier situations.
"It's OFFICIAL Nazi scientists have found out that people of color have lower intelligence than the white race (yes this actually happened)" then I post a thread with the findings of these so called scientists, which by the way didn't do any real research other than measure the skull size of the respective races. It didn't have any substantial evidence as to actually WHY the white race was "smarter" than colored people, only that the skull sizes were different. Big whoop.
At the end you post an endorsement for your guild called "the new Nazi revolutionaries". and how exactly do you expect people to react?
Now one can argue "Oh no, it's not being racist. See if you look at our page we actually accept people of all races, not only that, our name says we're revolutionaries, we're not the same blah blah blah" and yes, they might be completely right, their intentions might be completely harmless, but when people see the way it was presented in the article, how do you expect people to react?
Ok Hypothetical situation over. Your guild might be feminist, might not, quite frankly don't care. But the way you had presented it in the article led credence to a different opinion. What I really think happened here was. You saw an opportunity to get the attention of female gamers and supporters here and have them join your "non-segregated" guild by using the message of female empowerment and "we'll show them we can play just as good yadda yadda yadda" and instead this opportinity backfired on you by posters who really don't care one way or the other.
Word of advice, presentation is key. How you try to advertise yourself, guild etc. can depict you in a positive, or a negative way. In this case, it backfired. If your guild really isn't feminist (again, don't know, don't care) then you could have easily advertised it in a separate thread instead of advertising it at the end of a thread that had a questionable title, a questionable article and advertised a non-gender specific guild with a questionable name. What you ended up doing is portray what could easily be considered underlying negative motives. Especially once you mentioned that you actually do interviews to make sure the players were really who they were, basically what you did was raise another flag and again, make players question your real motives.
Class dismissed.
QFT.
Amen brother.
List of SOE lies
It's cute that you're making a women only guild. I'm sure the women in my guild will be happy to beat down a bunch of feminists alongside their male counterparts.
Whilst I did not wish to discuss the guild, I do feel I need to comment here. If you read the myspace material (under construction) on Femmes Fatales you will see that we have no time for "feminism" or any other "ism" for that matter. Readers might notice your use of the phrase "beat down" and make their own assumptions. However. it would be nice if you would research things carefully before making wild assertions. It is often better to think before making gross assumptions.
myspace.com/femmesfatalesguild
myspace.com/femmesfatalesguild
You may not be a feminist but you certainly are sexist. The title you chose suggests it and your comments defending this post prove it. You have placed your gender above the other one and that makes you a Sexist. A disturbing trend I have found in many of the women I talk to these days. You have traded the quest for equality in for what? Lies and propaganda?It really isn't your fault you think like this, modern media has turned men into a joke. The next time you are watching commercials take a critical look at how men are portrayed. They are inept, bumbling, morons who can't seem to screw in a light bulb. Knuckle dragging barbarians that are constantly one-up'd by a sexy looking female.
Please rethink feminism, your views of it may be slighlty prejudice by the image of the female it conjores up.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
It's cute that you're making a women only guild. I'm sure the women in my guild will be happy to beat down a bunch of feminists alongside their male counterparts.
Whilst I did not wish to discuss the guild, I do feel I need to comment here. If you read the myspace material (under construction) on Femmes Fatales you will see that we have no time for "feminism" or any other "ism" for that matter. Readers might notice your use of the phrase "beat down" and make their own assumptions. However. it would be nice if you would research things carefully before making wild assertions. It is often better to think before making gross assumptions.
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You may not be a feminist but you certainly are sexist. The title you chose suggests it and your comments defending this post prove it. You have placed your gender above the other one and that makes you a Sexist. A disturbing trend I have found in many of the women I talk to these days. You have traded the quest for equality in for what? Lies and propaganda?It really isn't your fault you think like this, modern media has turned men into a joke. The next time you are watching commercials take a critical look at how men are portrayed. They are inept, bumbling, morons who can't seem to screw in a light bulb. Knuckle dragging barbarians that are constantly one-up'd by a sexy looking female.
Please rethink feminism, your views of it may be slighlty prejudice by the image of the female it conjores up.
I would give up on that , since im apart of the community she and her friends are playing in and i listen to their bullshit daily on irc, where frankly the moderators of the channel allow it , because guess what , some of them has good looks
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Actually, have to grosely disagree with you Wickersham
Men and women alike often segregate themselves from the opposite sex, not because of being sexist, but because they want to group up with people that they are more likely to understand.
For many men, and for many women, its their own same sex.
This doesn't make them sexist, it makes them your average person who wants to fit in, in a group, easily.
If you ask me, you're the one who is being sexist, as you just pointed a deragotory finger at women in general because of your anger towards them. (note, I am a man, although some people might argue over the validity of that fact)
The comment " A disturbing trend I have found in many of the women I talk to these days." is a disturbingly stereotyped and generalized comment, that I've not found to be true.
So rather than putting people down
why don't you do as the lady said, do a little research before you open your fat sexist mouth
Have a nice day
oh and as for the overall premise of this article
GET OVER YOURSELVES
GAMES ARE FOR HAVING FUN
IT DOESNT FREAKING MATTER WHOS BETTER
SHUT UP, STOP BEING CRITICAL, AND HAVE FUN!
I'm guessing your girlfriend/wife saw you looking at this post and threatened to take away the lovin' if you didn't defend her honor, or stand up for the females.
Either that or I'm actually gonna question the validity of the fact that you are indeed a man. But I just think it boils down to you wanting to get some.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
You confusing my little brain, I was moving from one side to the swingometer to the other.
Martial arts? Are you insane? I would eat my monitor if a female wins a K-1, Pride or UFC tournament. Their inferior weight and strenght is a great disadvantage and they would get torn apart.
Heck there has even been female contendors trying to fight in the same weight class in boxing, thai-boxing and kick-boxing and they didnt stand a chance so get your facts straight man.
As for computer games I have seen no evidence supporting that claim. Last time I checked all the major FPS titles are won by males.
Dancing, never seen any data regarding that either but who cares. Is that even a competetive sport?
As for not being encouraged, well yeah we all have our excuses for failing at something.
Anyway this whole thread is a troll post and should be locked... Clearly the content of the OPs post has nothing to do with the topic.
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maybe I'm just over tired from work, but I don't think that makes any sense, or at the very least it makes none to me....
The solution to the conundrum that is me, is that you need a vitale piece of information, and thats that I'm a hemoraging hippie goodness
I just want everyone to be happy and get along!
Women might make for better social gamers, but if I had a nickel for everytime some female druid cast her heal 3 seconds too late...
The most female druids are big fat men who are half asleep, sorry to tell you the sad facts, but it had to be done.
In most cases you can apply the following:
G - Guy
I - In
R - Real
L - Life
This especially holds true for the druids in wow. I think of all the druids I've had to group with only 2 were women and I know them personally.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
It's cute that you're making a women only guild. I'm sure the women in my guild will be happy to beat down a bunch of feminists alongside their male counterparts.
A femmes fatales member once made a thread about femmes fatales to recruit. turns out they act more like virtual sluts then anything else, because apparenty that makes them feel like "females"
I'm Quite amazed at how quickly this topic degraded. In my opinion, Gender doesnt matter on who is better at games. It comes down to skill, logic, and reaction time. Further more, I dont think us girls would feel a need to validate ourselves if boys werent so condesending. It's all over this post. All you have to do is read the first 4 pages to see what kind of responses we get from our male peers. However, I was happy to see that some ppl did actualy respond to the argument in a way that was thought provoking. All in all , i think this topic is a good example of life in genral XD some women want to make statements some men still feel women should be seen not heard, and some men like haveing an intellectual debate.
Sorry but just because you are a women doesnt mean you can say anything you want and then hide behind "women should be seen not heard" argument when people respond to you.
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Awful thread title nothing to do with the post and if the opposite were said aka its official men are better gamers there would be uproar and perhaps the thread would be removed because of anti sexism forum rules.
However it is a girl posting with no factual proof and for what seems to be a troll bait. I think I even met femme fatales in daoc they werent actually that good.
Terrible piece of journalism by the bbc too, I am almost ashamed to be british.
I commend you sir for being a good father. You know what other benefits will come from you wrestling with your daughter and teaching her to be more athletic? You won't have to worry about her safety when she goes out since she'll probably be able to kick the butts of more than half the men she'll meet lol!
I thought this thread was locked?
If anyone watches Ninja Warrior then you can see how tough girls can be even though most of them dont make it through the whole course but they have the potential. In the show I have seen marines and olympic stars fail and seen fishermans finish the whole thing.
Nagano ftw
No offense, but why would you feel a need to validate yourself to the guys here that are being condescending to you?I never thought there would be women THAT insecure of themselves that they feel the need to validate their position to random idiots on the internet. As for us guys that did make valid arguments. We honestly don't care one way or the other whatever it is that you're trying to prove and quite frankly you should be worrying more about yourselves. If you want to be respected, you have to respect yourself and by throwing negative statements trying to prove your superiority over the other sex is not the way to go.
MEN vs WOMEN in video games.
It's all about exoperience and some hand eye coordination.
But any old gamer can tell you it's the 8 year old gamers who will decimate us older folk.
As for women in gaming, the more the better.
All male gamers should ecourage female gamers. In the long run we will have more cool girls to date.
Happy New Year
Everyone
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No offense, but why would you feel a need to validate yourself to the guys here that are being condescending to you?I never thought there would be women THAT insecure of themselves that they feel the need to validate their position to random idiots on the internet. As for us guys that did make valid arguments. We honestly don't care one way or the other whatever it is that you're trying to prove and quite frankly you should be worrying more about yourselves. If you want to be respected, you have to respect yourself and by throwing negative statements trying to prove your superiority over the other sex is not the way to go.
You're absolutely right BAne82.I'm all for equal rights, and equal treatment, but you can't have that when people are freaking out about whos better, everryone jsut needs to stop caring so much, and just live life.
Lifes good! be happy merry and well.
Or if that doesn't work for you, go light up a dube, and chill out.
Peace, its New years eve party time! (if I can find the place...)
Dear Ms. Keridwan. First of all, this article from BBC is from February, 2004. She is not 26 anymore, her current age is 30. Second, I heard that she failed at university due to computer gamning (spent more time on computer then studie
). Third, well dunno what I shall say anymore. She also used to be a model and made some proff picture of herself which she posted on her Counterstrike Clan site. To be honest I think you can compare it with either emo or epeen.....
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