Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
Eve online truly innovative but is it truly fun or just another hardcore game?
Angelbound
Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,437
I have been on the trial for a few days and I truly want to enjoy this game but why do I get the sense im in some kind of hardcore scam? Now im not bashing the game but this is how it feels to me, its one thing to loose your ships but to loose skills as well? On top of that the skills take a very long time so far mine can take up to 10 days I can just imagine what it will be at higher levels.
Now I dont mind hardcore games as long as I can play casually but I dont feel like this game is laid back as some people say, and I do enjoy pvp games just as much as I enjoy pve as long as it isnt cookie cutter. What is funny I am not really into sci fi unless its stargate but im finding I like everything about this game except the time sink and hardcore mentallity of this game.
I may be wrong here I just dont want to pay for a sub to learn im going to really dislike eve online. And if im wrong feel free to enlighten me thats why im here.
I guess you can say I really enjoyed city of heroes because it was fun and could be laid back but there was alot of other things that made me very bored with it.
Comments
It's a game that's not for everyone esp for people with short patience/attention span. Some people love it some people hate it.
I played the trial recently too, now im thinking of either subbing to EVE or going back to LOTRO... dunno really.
While I was playing in EVE I always felt I had no chance against the people playing for over 6 months, and I could never get into a bit of PvP even though I had a great destroyer and missile boat....
In my opinion its hard to get into the PvP at this stage, and the game is a bit too large. I found it to be a little bit dull aswell, but hey thats just me
Waiting 5 days to have another combat drone... wasn't fun for me. But the game had a great feeling the first weeks.
You can't lose skill points unless you fail to keep your clone up to date. Every station with a medical facility will have let you upgrade your clone, and the price is never out of range.
EVE isn't for everyone though, you will always lose ships, just a fact of life. Trick is to never fly what you can't afford to lose.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I understand thats a fact of life but not everyone has that attitude about life where you loose stuff all the time, and I really dont want real life to be my game. The last time I checked we use games to take a vacation from real life and its challenges.
And please dont give me the patience speech ive heard it before and that is not true for everyone, in this game things do take way longer then in most games ive played its not about the patience games are meant to enchance fun for you but not when it can take months while you are actually paying 30 dollars before you can have the fun your looking for.
Fun or hardcore? When did those two terms become exclusive?
Eve Online (based on what I've read and heard) is a game with a steep learning curve, higher-than-average time requirements (at least during the early stages of the game), high emphasis on organised players groups (corporations, is it?), and significant benefits to being a veteran player. By this I would definitely put it in the "hardcore" category of MMOGs.
Whether it's fun is a matter of taste though. ;-)
Eve is the ONLY game that i know that a 2 week old charictor can PvP agenst 3 year old chars and have a chance. (You will need numbers).
Also there are corps that help new players and Lots of alliances that will gladly take you in after a few months and 2 or so mill in SP.
Right now if you want to get ready for pvp then id focus on Frigates and Ignore Destroyers and Cruisers.
After about 2 months then you should have some basic skills trained and can start on Cruisers.
For PVE Cruisers and Destroyers rock early on. Rember that you can fit small guns/ launchers on them.
Eve is Either a Fun secondary game that you can play when you feellike it Because your main is down or on your nerves.
OR as a primary game in a corp thats part of a hardcore alliance. Unlike all the other games out there, Eve has Consequences and Quite a few Rewards for your time. There are alliances that have more members than some Servers in other games. Just rember that Alliances Might be hardcore that dosent mean that the Corp you join hasta be. All alliances need Pvpers and Carebears. One to mine and build, and Mission.
And the other to Pvp and hold/Claim the space, and attack the other's Carebears :P
No mater What you feellike dooing in eve you can do it. and the game happly scalles to your Current style of play.
ATM my corp mates and I are Missioning and haveing fun running lvl 4 missions. Soon we might join a alliance and pvp its up to you.
OH AND TRUST NOBODY UNTIL YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME FOR A LONG TIME!!!.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Let me explain a little better here, what I mean is hardcore pvp game and very time consuming, now I dont mind dedicating time to a game, hek im a eq1 vet and I put alot of time into it but of course ill never play another time sink like that because there are more important things in real life I will miss out on. Now what I mean by hardcore is feeling frustrated all the time instead of just having fun, now I dont mind steep learning curves either I love a challenge thats why I dont play wow and other game not half as challenging to me, of course there fun at first only then.
I just want some carefree gameplay elements in it to thats all im really saying here.
Well to be fare to EvE it takes more than a few days for a new person to reach the really good stuff.
But yea EvE is a pretty hardcore game overall and i think that's part of its charm. There are many types of gamers out there and EvE just caters to certain types of players.
So if you like a challenging long term game where its possible with lots of work to get on top game wise with a strong PvP system then yea EvE is for you. If however you enjoyed a WoW style of game and want more of that from EvE i.e. plenty of PvE safe zones from PvP and lots of hand holding with the game telling you where to go next. Then EvE MIGHT not be for you.
Nether less EvE is a good game and for those that like that sort of game play it provides a service.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
For the carefree gameplay elements you seek look no further than PVE.
Seriously, look no further than that, or you'll be dissapointed.
If you don't know prescisely why you are frustrated.... then read the tutorial.
If you think you know why you are frustrated, yet are somehow shocked to lose skills upon death... then read the tutorial. Again.
You can mitigate the impact of other frustrations or even avoid them completely by following some basic advice:
Update your clone. Insure your ship. Train your learning skills. Don't risk what you can't afford to replace. Get that ISK! (Salvage, mine, mission or 'rat)
And read the tutorial.
Continued performance of one's ship is best facilitated by not exploding.
Perusing CCPs boards, people that really enjoy Eve often admit its kind of boring most of the time and they're not flaming the game either. When you really think about how much time you spend waiting around, traveling or chatting, compared to the amount of time actually doing something exciting, it all brings it into perspective.
Eve is innovative, but not in a good way for most people.
Eve is like chess.
I am on my second day on the free trial.So far I am not enthused.I had played E&B when it was online.I am seeing several similarities.Feel free to tell me what differences there are other than on E&B besides you could get off the ship.I will say though,that this game's learning curve is a bit more extensive.
I dont think you actually understood what I meant or perhaps im not making myself clear enough, but I have done most of the tutorial and ive done it before when I tried the game long ago I probably should have mentioned that. Anyways that was not the frustration I was talking about, I was talking about the wait of skills and to get into things one might enjoy in the game and the frustrations of this kind of pvp game, and I dont enjoy games like wow I enjoy games that are less hardcore but challenging that I can play casually or longer on some days.
I do enjoy balanced pvp that I can jump in and out of like guild wars, wow was ok but far from balanced and being with a non mature crowd did not help.
Well personally..
What other game can you train a skill... and log out... come back and its done... You can get your character up and skill up w/o even playing the damn game.. how much more casual do you want? Taking a long break from the game because of work for a week... train a long skill that takes 10 days.. the time you get back, bam done. Going on a lunch break, head home, start a short skill, by the time your shift is over, its trained.
Personally I like eve simply for the real world training time. I can play as active as I want and get the money, or be as lazy as I want and still train my character with out really losing out lost time.
----------------------
Played (In order of favorite first to least): DAOC, EQ2, EVE, WOW, Vanguard, AC2, City of __, Guild Wars, LOTRO, EQ, Sword of New World, FFXI, Lineage 2, Second Life, DDO, Anarchy Online, RF Online, Archlord, Uru, Ragnarok Online, Shadowbane, Planetside, Auto Assault, Ryzom, Matrix Online, Horizons, Entropia, Sims, Runescape, Lineage 1, AC1, Dungeon Runners
EvE is the only game left where death actually means something.
EVE's model allows new players to take part in veteran operations, where other games will always exclude you for your first few months (or less if you powerlevel, but you still have to reach the max level to participate).
A veteran will always have more skill points, but after a few months that becomes less of a problem because not every skill point matters for every ship. My Battleship V does absolutely no good if I'm flying around in a cruiser, and if you match my skills in cruiser (plus secondaries), then we're on an even ground, if you can afford the same gear.
In EVE you only need to train one character. You never have to reexperience the "newbie" content in order to try something new with your character. Yes, high end training will take a month or more but its always a way to improve your character and try, often times, an entirely new game play technique. Which I find much more enjoyable than other games' grind to slowly gain each of your new skills.
EVE has no attainable "level max" the character will develop as long as there is something new you wish to try, and EVE continues to add new content to make sure that you can enjoy the gamestyle you like. Lastly, that new content isn't just available to the veteran to improve the "end game".
Time sink? Yes. You can spend hours traveling multiple systems looking for the best price, or the right equipment, you can get your ship fitted. And if unlucky, after hours of getting it fitted, you can jump into a pirate camp and lose everything. Or you can be that pirate who sits on a gate for hours and never sees an opponent, or be part of an alliance patrol that never encounters an intruder. But, most pilots learn where to go for a fight, and the pvp can be had and it will be a great time.
Learning the game isn't a five minute challenge, but the players know that and many devote hours to helping new players learn. Often times you have to hit the forums to find the best corporations to learn, and once you hit the forums you might stay there all day without signing into the game. EVE forums are a different experience than any other MMO's.
No matter your first impressions of EVE, find a corporation that can help you experience the game at its finest before you dump it. Though you can play solo, most of this game is meant to be played with the support of others, not necessarily ganged.
__
Playing: AoC
Hiatus: EVE
Eve is like chess only for the most harcore players who dedicate themselves into politics of the game. They may represent 2% of the player base, perhaps ?...
Actually it means a loss of ISK, not only for you, but for the whole universe of Eve. But mainly for you.Eve I'd say is very hardcore and very casual at the same time.
It's hardcore in that dying hurts, you have to think, you have to learn, you have to plan ahead to succeed, and if you make a mistake you will be punished for it mercilessly.
It's casual in that skills train in real-time so only playing a day or two a week doesn't really hurt you (playing more will get you more ISK but you don't need lots of ISK, you need to use what you have wisely), and you don't have to play for huge chunks of time to see real results.
Problem with Eve, and I don't mean this to be rude, is that it actually takes a level of intelligence to understand and play
Where games like WoW a 5yr old could pick up and understand
Not insulting just stating facts
If they dumb down the beginning a little, make the UI more configurable and intuitive, improve the actual damage given and damage taken experience and allow a more individual configuration of ships, and by that I mean make your ship look different to other people's then you would gain a greater amount of people playing Eve
But then you would lose what allows Eve to retain its charm
Well remember that if you keep your clones up to date you don't lose skill points. This was not originally the case. So EvE has actually become less hardcore of course some people even bemoan this but CCP has not listen to them so far .
Also remember that you can insure your ships. For example a Caldari Condor can be insure for 1.4k ISK with a pay off of 14k ISK and Condors run about 20k on the market if I remeber right. So with insurance you can certainly keep losses reseaonable even if you are kind of not so good.
As for being at a disadvantage against people 6months older than you. Althoug some Eve players will say that isn't true I think it is, but after 6months or maybe 3 months it becomes less and less true. There is no doubt that someone was has trained frigate skills for 1 month is better than a newb. Anyone saying otherwise is lying. However once you get to even just the Tech 2 frigates, like Interceptors or get to battleships you are basically able to do a lot of good stuff. Are you great at everything? No but you can be competent at a few things.
So there is a sweet spot . You can get right into the action in PvP in Eve but that requires join a throw away frigate gang or something.
As to whether its actually fun for the OP I can't really anwser that, Eve is a game you have to find reasons to like. And unforatunately some of the types of ships that might change people's minds just aren't avaialable at first. Running with an Interceptor is far different than some kind of tanking missle boat cruiser and for those people looking for faster paced fly by the seat of your pants action you can try that in a normal frigate but its not really the same.
Well, they actually have dumbed down the beginning a little. And people still don't bother with the tutorial because they think they'll "learn it as they play" like any other game, and you just can't do that in Eve. And that's not a bad thing.
And I would vote for ship customization, at least as far as paintjobs go. I'd love it if our corp, for example, could have fleet colors/insignias.
Well the thing about eve is , your skills train it self even while offline , but yes loosing ships will never be fun unless you have the funds to keep going, and basicly i dont find skilling up for the first 2+ months to be able to do anything really and then it would be small, eve is a hardcore game, which is why it doesnt have so many players as some mmo's , like WoW f.x , its not child friendly like WoW is
.
I loved the year i played eve online , closed beta / open beta and a few months into retail start , but then the air kinda went out of the baloon, seing as its the same stuff you do all over again, either you mine or you "rat" , as in killing pve mobs for money, or you pvp / craft, basicly it.
List of SOE lies
I actually found it anything but hardcore.I kinda got bored playing it as the animations and overall gameplay lacked too many ideas that should have been in there.IMO those are not and should not be called skills at all.The reason is because it takes nothing to learn them or for a better word EARN them.You click a skill item and wait for time to pass by then you get it.It reminds me of RF online mining while i am not even playing the game.
This is what the game should have had and it would have rocked.
1 planet exploration/mobs/housing/battles.
2 Ship animations with you in 3rd or first person view actually maintaining a full set of skills to manouvre a ship.I mean with you actually inside the ship with tons of panels and instruments all around you.Perhaps you have a crew that you have to give each one specific set of instructions that can make or break your battles or quests.There should be alot more animation and hands on control for the gunnery part of the ship also.
3 There really isn't a whole lot of animation in the game so the battles should be a heck of a lot more animated and exciting.
This game appeared to me anyhow as being a very simplistic/old game engine.IMO scrap this game and build it all over from scratch again using modern day tech and it would prolly rock. How realistic is it having huge ships with only you doing all the work?where is your crew? lol.I think only small one manned vessels should be all a single player can use,unless you travel the universe hiring/seeking out NPC 's to man your ship.Perhaps you have to fight battles to free mercenaries to fight with you.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.