Beast Master was a horrible fiasco because it was totally unnecessary. The devs broke a working pet system rather than restore the skill mods needed to reactivate it.
copy of WoW, not really lol, do you even know what it entails? Entertainers and Crafters are Cl90 now anyway - what existed in the wake of the NGE wasnt a pet system - it was the bare remains of one.
Lots of people were very happy with the return of pets and BM, - they only broke the system at the NGE, regardless the new system is pretty damn good aside from pet levels 75-90 the whole system is well done.
Well most of my time in SWG was as a Bio Engineer and a CH.
So I'm going to disagree with you on the "most people are happy" and the "well done" part.
People who like pets were happy to have the ability to use pets... but that doesn't mean being happy with the system or how it was implemented.
The implemntation of the BM system was Horrid.. I had tons of resources from my time in game. So I was easily able to set up a lab and make pets. I sold pets for ungodly sums of money.. quality combat pets and that was under pricing the really absurd people.
However, I am also able to realize.. that many people who play the game currently never had access to the amount of resources I did.
The cost of the BM system when it started (for most people) was beyond horrid.. it was stupid.
As I said it didn't affect me because other than Geo Thermal I had houses full of resources. Geo was easy to get.
That doesn't mean it didn't affect many others.
The actual pet side.. is a fairly weak system as well.
However, as compared to the rest of the NGE...
Sure BM was a stellar system.. and in that sense I could agree with you that it was "well done". But only in comparison to the rest of the NGE...
Compared to the old pet system.. it was.. and still is... crap.
*closer*
Perhaps the person that mentioned WoW and BM from the hunter tree... was thinking that due to pet loyalty. In many ways that was something stolen from the UO pet system... or what it evolved into.
That system certainly predates the BM in WoW.. since I last played that game in 2002.
If you think Heroic Encounters are not ripped off of WoW then you've obviously never played WoW raids.
And collections are suppose to be "done as you go?" ROFL!!! In what context does a level 90 player EVER have in the NGE game to EVER kill 500 squills? For RP purposes? What purpose does any player of any level ever have to go to Ft Tuskan now outside of looting a Tuskan outfit and maybe a couple of color crystals (so common they go for 5k now). You get better XP grinding Legacy and terminals, and by the time Legacy dries up you're already too high in level to get anything from ever killing another Tuskan outside the ones in the instance.
I didnt mean you are going to get every single of the 100s of collections by leveling to 90, but the xp sure helps, many of the clickly collections you can do as you go along. Things like rancors and krayts killed lots of before the collections, so they come as you go along. You migh kill 500 squills over your time leveling and helping otehr to level. Sometimes people go leveling the tusken fort, its quite cool there.
About the encounters, im not saying there isnt something similar in WoW, but its hardly an original or unique idea - its just high end content.
And to the guy that said theres been no new content aside from chap 7 and 8, what about BM (its a completely different system to CH, a bit more complicated etc), expertise (yes, thats content, more skills, new animations etc), GCW rewards, Imp and reb theme park revamps, other leveling stuff, azure cabal etc. Even so, regardless of all this stuff, what does it matter if they are adding in content from now on - and no it wont be just more instances and collections, although they will add a few each chapter - they said they want to do to DWB-esque stuff etc, so its all good.
1. Besides rancors and krayts, what does a level 90 normally hunt? NOTHING. Why do I know this? Because before colletions there wasn't anyone anywhere killing anything else. The only reason anyone is out there killing things squills and chubas and tuskans now is for collections and collections alone. Even players who are leveling aren't killing these things. No matter what you say or make yourself believe, these quests are indeed grinds. Players leveling do grind on them sometimes, especially as they give good xp, there are quite a few other creatures lvl 90 players kill as well. Regardless, call this a grind if you must but i prefer not to be just handed rewards and titles, i like to earn them
2. Nobody goes to Ft Tuskan that isn't after a collection or a location badge. Occasionally some early preCU vet does but usually ends up depressed and posting here for the experience of it. Newbies do go there to explore actually.
3. "Not saying it isn't simmilar to WoW?" BS, its EXACTLY what WoW has, only in that game you aren't shuttled directly to the end boss, you have to also go through a dungeon to get there.shuttled directly to the end boss in swg? where did you come up with that?
You know what, dude? This is nonsense. You want people to play the game you love? Stop pimping the hand-me-down features that the devs have been putting in recently and start helping those who are rallying for real change in the NGE. Give me greater choice through the Expertise system, fix group XP, make the GCW meaningful and not just another lame grind, make crafters worthwhile again, make Entertainers worth something again, slow down combat, and bring back MORE (I know there is some but I want MORE) animation, then we can talk about me resubbing the account I canceled two months ago.
And as far as "the game keeps getting better," its not. Not anymore. All they're adding in from now on is more Collections and Instances. I seriously hope you enjoy them, because that's all they said they're putting in from now on.Incorrect, they said they would not be doing that, they said they will add in a few each chapter but they want to focus on other things.
And you actually believe that they r doing other things? You must be lost when thinking of which company you are sticking up for.
We had been blatently lied to for so long and over so many things that anything that soe says doesnt hold its weight in crap.
Do I miss the old game? Hell yes i do.
But seriously...dont believe anything that soe tells you cause really only 40% is ever true.
Lots of people were very happy with the return of pets and BM, - they only broke the system at the NGE, regardless the new system is pretty damn good aside from pet levels 75-90 the whole system is well done.
Only? They ONLY broke the system. These SOE Asshats took and took and took and took some more. When are they going to get a clue and quit taking things without nothing in return? It is absolutely asinine how you can sit there and talk about these guys so nonchalantly.
And this barely lied stuff. Is that anything like a little bit pregnant? I don't know about you but where I come from barely lied is just plain lying, period.
Sheesh, it's hilarious sitting here watching you the self appointed current player who feels he must go through every post and come up with some kind of counter argument. Don't get me wrong I can respect that, but it's still funny to see and frankly a waste of time imho.
Wow, way to strut into a discussion and get the wrong end of the stick. I was putting forward the point that since the NGE, they havent ruined player progress, then the GCW was pointed out, but thats the only thing. Some other arguments were said like the pets, but i said that was broken at the NGE, hence why i used "only", out of context, it would seem wrong.
What barely lied stuff?
I counter arguments that lie and that i disagree with, the discussion is stimulating in the instances where we can hold a coherent discussion, otherwise i correct the vets who may get things a bit wrong, not actually playing the game and all.
isn't this forum supposed to be free of fanboi trolling?
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
When is the funeral? Thats the only way I would remotely get back to this game. It should have been buried along time ago.
What a pity SOE. That use to be the greatest game on the planet. Hopefully you will learn from your mistakes but from threads from other forums obviously not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
isn't this forum supposed to be free of fanboi trolling?
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
Where are all these fanboys, there arent many for a start and where do you get the idea that they are crusading to get you back? And there are acutally new people coming into the game everyday, most staying and enjoying.
isn't this forum supposed to be free of fanboi trolling?
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
Where are all these fanboys, there arent many for a start and where do you get the idea that they are crusading to get you back? And there are acutally new people coming into the game everyday, most staying and enjoying.
Im just wondering where you get this information from? New people everyday? I highly doubt that unless you are talking about the trial. If there was this influx of new people why would posters on the O forum try to drum up the morale and start a propaganda campaign? Why would people still be wanting server merges? If there were new people everyday one would have to assume that in the 2 years since the "vocal minority" left this game should be doing much better than it is.
Another question I would have to ask is how do you know that all of these new people that you claim are coming to this game are actually staying? Do you keep some sort head count? Do people have to in some way notify you that they are leaving? Do you work for SOE in some capacity where you can see the canceled accounts?
I always wonder why when a vet makes a claim that can not possibly be proven they are called out on it and yet when a defender of the game does the same exact thing they do not feel obligated to provide proof. Your claims are totally unsubstantiated and more based on opinion than anything else. Why does this claim carry more weight then one someone says the game is dead because Theed or the MO on dant is deserted?
If the game were healthy there wouldn't be multiple threads on the first page of the forums all the time complaining about low populations and asking for server merges.
isn't this forum supposed to be free of fanboi trolling?
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
Where are all these fanboys, there arent many for a start and where do you get the idea that they are crusading to get you back? And there are acutally new people coming into the game everyday, most staying and enjoying.
Im just wondering where you get this information from? New people everyday? I highly doubt that unless you are talking about the trial. If there was this influx of new people why would posters on the O forum try to drum up the morale and start a propaganda campaign? Why would people still be wanting server merges? If there were new people everyday one would have to assume that in the 2 years since the "vocal minority" left this game should be doing much better than it is.
Another question I would have to ask is how do you know that all of these new people that you claim are coming to this game are actually staying? Do you keep some sort head count? Do people have to in some way notify you that they are leaving? Do you work for SOE in some capacity where you can see the canceled accounts?
I always wonder why when a vet makes a claim that can not possibly be proven they are called out on it and yet when a defender of the game does the same exact thing they do not feel obligated to provide proof. Your claims are totally unsubstantiated and more based on opinion than anything else. Why does this claim carry more weight then one someone says the game is dead because Theed or the MO on dant is deserted?
Pretty simple really, i see someone new, hanging around wherever, usually in eisley, sometime they ask me for help, a couple of weeks im still seeing that person around from time to time, names usually stick in my mind quite well. Also my guild always seems to have new players, and obviously its easy to know if they've left the game or not. Now, you have the option of believing this or what people like salvaje make up in their head, and remember im not here to try to get people back to the game, theres quite a few characters here i wouldnt want back. Of course people are calling for server merges on the forums, they always have done since the a few months after the NGE, the only reason its been a bit more on the hype recently is that a Dev, a few weeks ago stated that they were looking into the issue and working on it. On my server Theed or MO is barely ever deserted, except maybe in the early hours (and yes i know it wasnt like that PreNGE, i was there), but also the point is these places are no longer the main places to hang out; its Restuss, Mos eisley etc
Anyway, a couple of weeks back, i did post a bunch of pictures of places like Restuss showing the sort of amount of people, it doesnt prove new players of course, but i have much more evidence than anyone like iwantmyswg can claim.
Anyway, a couple of weeks back, i did post a bunch of pictures of places like Restuss showing the sort of amount of people, it doesnt prove new players of course, but i have much more evidence than anyone like iwantmyswg can claim.
You mean... that thread where you showed us a couple of pics from Restuss and Eisley, with definitely average numbers, after being asked to show proof of population density *outside* those twos ?
From the SOE boards: "I've noticed that not enough people are (quitting) Star Wars Galaxies and I and others would love to ( ) see this be gone (in future). That is why I say we act. I want everyone to fill up video game forums about how (bad) this game is compared to others. Go to game stores and try to make the game the (anything but) center of attention. (Berate) the game to people in game stores. Put games over (SWG) to hide it like a (WoW) game over a (Galaxies). Tell your friends (not) to play. Put an add of it on community notice boards. Whatever to make more people (not) play. And by doing all this, we might see (pre-cu). Who here is with me.
THE TIME IS NOW TO BRING SWG TO ITS (END)!"
Notice the changes I just made? Funnily enough, these are all things the "vets" have done in order to destroy SWG. But when the current playerbase decides to use your own tactics against you, it's no fun anymore.
Vets are getting pwned by their own tactics. I am so laughing at the bitter irony.
Notice the changes I just made? Funnily enough, these are all things the "vets" have done in order to destroy SWG. But when the current playerbase decides to use your own tactics against you, it's no fun anymore. Vets are getting pwned by their own tactics. I am so laughing at the bitter irony.
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
Notice the changes I just made? Funnily enough, these are all things the "vets" have done in order to destroy SWG. But when the current playerbase decides to use your own tactics against you, it's no fun anymore. Vets are getting pwned by their own tactics. I am so laughing at the bitter irony.
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
No, I mean vets crying (what else is new) when someone does the same thing they do in reverse.
Notice the changes I just made? Funnily enough, these are all things the "vets" have done in order to destroy SWG. But when the current playerbase decides to use your own tactics against you, it's no fun anymore. Vets are getting pwned by their own tactics. I am so laughing at the bitter irony.
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
No, I mean vets crying (what else is new) when someone does the same thing they do in reverse.
Crying?
All I see the fanbois doing is going to forums, trolling, flaming, lying, and pressing the report button every time they see something they want to silence.
We never have used those tactics. We don't need to, because we have the truth on our side, while you guys end up having to spin yourselves into orbit defending chronic liars like Smed.
I think what we are seeing here is NGE players flat out lying in an attempt to save their game.
This Saay fella has contradicted himself so many times its silly. He now is claiming that the game is gaining new players. Ive also seen Obraik make the same outrageous claims many times over the years.
The only truth is that the game continues to lose players. And the evidence lies within the official SWG forums. Every single week there are multitude of posts asking for server mergers or how can they get the vets to come back.
Should we be surprised ? Not really, the remaining 40k players have learned from the Master when it comes to bold faced lying. And now these players are out using Lies in an attempt to save the game.
The NGE faithful admit on their own forums its time to get the message out and save their game. How else are they going to do this but lie about the state of the game ? They cant think theyre being honest when posting a positive review of the game or making statements that all is well in SWG land.
A bunch of liers playing a game designed by liers using stolen subscription fees to develop it in secret. It will sure be sweet when they shut that game down for good
Notice the changes I just made? Funnily enough, these are all things the "vets" have done in order to destroy SWG. But when the current playerbase decides to use your own tactics against you, it's no fun anymore. Vets are getting pwned by their own tactics. I am so laughing at the bitter irony.
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
No, I mean vets crying (what else is new) when someone does the same thing they do in reverse.
Personally I'd love to see you NGE lovers do something like putting copies of SWG in front of other games. Oh wait, that's right, the odds of finding a boxed copy of SWG in a store are about the same as you being struck by lightning, twice. Well, I guess you all could visit gaming sites and rave about the game. Oops, I guess that's not really a great idea either since most people who visit those sites have already played SWG and hate it or they know all about SOE's history with that game and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. I guess you NGE lovers are just SOL. You'd be better off staying on your little SOE website and playing your game in peace than coming to sites like this and making an ass of yourself by promoting a game that many here don't like which happens to be run by a company that most would love to see collapse.
isn't this forum supposed to be free of fanboi trolling?
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
Where are all these fanboys, there arent many for a start and where do you get the idea that they are crusading to get you back? And there are acutally new people coming into the game everyday, most staying and enjoying.
Im just wondering where you get this information from? New people everyday? I highly doubt that unless you are talking about the trial. If there was this influx of new people why would posters on the O forum try to drum up the morale and start a propaganda campaign? Why would people still be wanting server merges? If there were new people everyday one would have to assume that in the 2 years since the "vocal minority" left this game should be doing much better than it is.
Another question I would have to ask is how do you know that all of these new people that you claim are coming to this game are actually staying? Do you keep some sort head count? Do people have to in some way notify you that they are leaving? Do you work for SOE in some capacity where you can see the canceled accounts?
I always wonder why when a vet makes a claim that can not possibly be proven they are called out on it and yet when a defender of the game does the same exact thing they do not feel obligated to provide proof. Your claims are totally unsubstantiated and more based on opinion than anything else. Why does this claim carry more weight then one someone says the game is dead because Theed or the MO on dant is deserted?
Pretty simple really, i see someone new, hanging around wherever, usually in eisley, sometime they ask me for help, a couple of weeks im still seeing that person around from time to time, names usually stick in my mind quite well. Also my guild always seems to have new players, and obviously its easy to know if they've left the game or not. Now, you have the option of believing this or what people like salvaje make up in their head, and remember im not here to try to get people back to the game, theres quite a few characters here i wouldnt want back. Of course people are calling for server merges on the forums, they always have done since the a few months after the NGE, the only reason its been a bit more on the hype recently is that a Dev, a few weeks ago stated that they were looking into the issue and working on it. On my server Theed or MO is barely ever deserted, except maybe in the early hours (and yes i know it wasnt like that PreNGE, i was there), but also the point is these places are no longer the main places to hang out; its Restuss, Mos eisley etc
Anyway, a couple of weeks back, i did post a bunch of pictures of places like Restuss showing the sort of amount of people, it doesnt prove new players of course, but i have much more evidence than anyone like iwantmyswg can claim.
Saay,
If I take you at your word (and I have no reason not to), your statement that new players are popping up on your server all the time is a sign that your server is doing fine. But what about the other 20-plus servers? From what I've read on these forums and on the official forums, about four servers have good populations. But realistically, how many of the other 20-odd servers are experiencing any kind of significant influx of new players? And I'm assuming the population bump you're seeing is from new players, not merely transfers or people from other servers rolling new characters on your server.
I'm glad to hear the population on your server seems to be improving, but it's just one slice of a 24- to 26-piece pie and doesn't adequately represent the health of the whole. For you to make that observation about your server and claim the whole game is progressing population-wise is as disengenuous as someone who arbitrarily claims 14k people remain as an overall player base.
Now, if you're regularly playing on every server and can make a broad observation about the state of the game, I can buy into that. But if you're not, I can only conclude that your server seems to be doing well and, according to forum posts here and on the official boards, other servers are ghost towns (with the overall exception of the four I referred to above).
To me, that does not sound like a game that is experiencing significant population growth. I think we can all agree, regardless of which side of the fence we sit, that significant population growth is about the only thing that bring this game back (and frankly, I don't see that happening).
As an aside, I can't remember the exact number of servers; if there are fewer than 24 or 26, my apologies for not getting the correct number.
Notice the changes I just made? Funnily enough, these are all things the "vets" have done in order to destroy SWG. But when the current playerbase decides to use your own tactics against you, it's no fun anymore. Vets are getting pwned by their own tactics. I am so laughing at the bitter irony.
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
No, I mean vets crying (what else is new) when someone does the same thing they do in reverse.
I think you mistake crying for amusement. The vets have nothing more to lose. Most of the more rational ones know that Pre-CU will never come back and to be honest I dont want it to. We are also quite aware of the fact that we can not bring SOE down. Thats fine as well.
I just find it amusing that people want to try and pimp out this cheap, fat, and diseased whore of a game. It is an act of desperation. That much is obvious. I guess you have to decide for yourself what is more pitiful. The vets who come to the vet forum to discuss the game as it was and the incompetence that SOE has shown for years (and is well documented) or the lonely desperate player trying to get people to go on some publicity crusade to try and get more people to play this game so he is not so alone and his game does not get shutdown. It is like giving CPR to a week old corpse but sometimes hope is enough to get people through I guess.
Further acts of desperation on the SOE boards today, oi:
"everyone go register at mmorpg.com and give it a "10" in every category " I'm actually speechless, and that's rare.
And we can have 10x the people give it a "0". Nothing at all to be gained there.
Well what got me about this post was that it was in among a bunch of posts about serious bugs that people have been complaining about for years in some cases. Other posts near it were about new serious bugs in one of the heroic instances. So how could people come here and honestly rate the game at a 10 on all the variables in light of that? I guess you leave the word "honestly" out. It saddens me to see some current players adopting the same attitude to other players that SOE has had over the years--just lie to them. That's a sad thing tbh.
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Lots of people were very happy with the return of pets and BM, - they only broke the system at the NGE, regardless the new system is pretty damn good aside from pet levels 75-90 the whole system is well done.
Well most of my time in SWG was as a Bio Engineer and a CH.
So I'm going to disagree with you on the "most people are happy" and the "well done" part.
People who like pets were happy to have the ability to use pets... but that doesn't mean being happy with the system or how it was implemented.
The implemntation of the BM system was Horrid.. I had tons of resources from my time in game. So I was easily able to set up a lab and make pets. I sold pets for ungodly sums of money.. quality combat pets and that was under pricing the really absurd people.
However, I am also able to realize.. that many people who play the game currently never had access to the amount of resources I did.
The cost of the BM system when it started (for most people) was beyond horrid.. it was stupid.
As I said it didn't affect me because other than Geo Thermal I had houses full of resources. Geo was easy to get.
That doesn't mean it didn't affect many others.
The actual pet side.. is a fairly weak system as well.
However, as compared to the rest of the NGE...
Sure BM was a stellar system.. and in that sense I could agree with you that it was "well done". But only in comparison to the rest of the NGE...
Compared to the old pet system.. it was.. and still is... crap.
*closer*
Perhaps the person that mentioned WoW and BM from the hunter tree... was thinking that due to pet loyalty. In many ways that was something stolen from the UO pet system... or what it evolved into.
That system certainly predates the BM in WoW.. since I last played that game in 2002.
About the encounters, im not saying there isnt something similar in WoW, but its hardly an original or unique idea - its just high end content.
And to the guy that said theres been no new content aside from chap 7 and 8, what about BM (its a completely different system to CH, a bit more complicated etc), expertise (yes, thats content, more skills, new animations etc), GCW rewards, Imp and reb theme park revamps, other leveling stuff, azure cabal etc. Even so, regardless of all this stuff, what does it matter if they are adding in content from now on - and no it wont be just more instances and collections, although they will add a few each chapter - they said they want to do to DWB-esque stuff etc, so its all good.
1. Besides rancors and krayts, what does a level 90 normally hunt? NOTHING. Why do I know this? Because before colletions there wasn't anyone anywhere killing anything else. The only reason anyone is out there killing things squills and chubas and tuskans now is for collections and collections alone. Even players who are leveling aren't killing these things. No matter what you say or make yourself believe, these quests are indeed grinds. Players leveling do grind on them sometimes, especially as they give good xp, there are quite a few other creatures lvl 90 players kill as well. Regardless, call this a grind if you must but i prefer not to be just handed rewards and titles, i like to earn them
2. Nobody goes to Ft Tuskan that isn't after a collection or a location badge. Occasionally some early preCU vet does but usually ends up depressed and posting here for the experience of it. Newbies do go there to explore actually.
3. "Not saying it isn't simmilar to WoW?" BS, its EXACTLY what WoW has, only in that game you aren't shuttled directly to the end boss, you have to also go through a dungeon to get there.shuttled directly to the end boss in swg? where did you come up with that?
You know what, dude? This is nonsense. You want people to play the game you love? Stop pimping the hand-me-down features that the devs have been putting in recently and start helping those who are rallying for real change in the NGE. Give me greater choice through the Expertise system, fix group XP, make the GCW meaningful and not just another lame grind, make crafters worthwhile again, make Entertainers worth something again, slow down combat, and bring back MORE (I know there is some but I want MORE) animation, then we can talk about me resubbing the account I canceled two months ago.
And as far as "the game keeps getting better," its not. Not anymore. All they're adding in from now on is more Collections and Instances. I seriously hope you enjoy them, because that's all they said they're putting in from now on.Incorrect, they said they would not be doing that, they said they will add in a few each chapter but they want to focus on other things.
And you actually believe that they r doing other things? You must be lost when thinking of which company you are sticking up for.
We had been blatently lied to for so long and over so many things that anything that soe says doesnt hold its weight in crap.
Do I miss the old game? Hell yes i do.
But seriously...dont believe anything that soe tells you cause really only 40% is ever true.
OLD!
And this barely lied stuff. Is that anything like a little bit pregnant? I don't know about you but where I come from barely lied is just plain lying, period.
Sheesh, it's hilarious sitting here watching you the self appointed current player who feels he must go through every post and come up with some kind of counter argument. Don't get me wrong I can respect that, but it's still funny to see and frankly a waste of time imho.
Wow, way to strut into a discussion and get the wrong end of the stick. I was putting forward the point that since the NGE, they havent ruined player progress, then the GCW was pointed out, but thats the only thing. Some other arguments were said like the pets, but i said that was broken at the NGE, hence why i used "only", out of context, it would seem wrong.What barely lied stuff?
I counter arguments that lie and that i disagree with, the discussion is stimulating in the instances where we can hold a coherent discussion, otherwise i correct the vets who may get things a bit wrong, not actually playing the game and all.
isn't this forum supposed to be free of fanboi trolling?
The last of the SHDWS in Shadow Valley Cantina, Ahazi
the fanbois want your money back in $OE's pockets which isn't going to happen not with me at least....
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
When is the funeral? Thats the only way I would remotely get back to this game. It should have been buried along time ago.
What a pity SOE. That use to be the greatest game on the planet. Hopefully you will learn from your mistakes but from threads from other forums obviously not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
Where are all these fanboys, there arent many for a start and where do you get the idea that they are crusading to get you back? And there are acutally new people coming into the game everyday, most staying and enjoying.
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
Where are all these fanboys, there arent many for a start and where do you get the idea that they are crusading to get you back? And there are acutally new people coming into the game everyday, most staying and enjoying.
Im just wondering where you get this information from? New people everyday? I highly doubt that unless you are talking about the trial. If there was this influx of new people why would posters on the O forum try to drum up the morale and start a propaganda campaign? Why would people still be wanting server merges? If there were new people everyday one would have to assume that in the 2 years since the "vocal minority" left this game should be doing much better than it is.
Another question I would have to ask is how do you know that all of these new people that you claim are coming to this game are actually staying? Do you keep some sort head count? Do people have to in some way notify you that they are leaving? Do you work for SOE in some capacity where you can see the canceled accounts?
I always wonder why when a vet makes a claim that can not possibly be proven they are called out on it and yet when a defender of the game does the same exact thing they do not feel obligated to provide proof. Your claims are totally unsubstantiated and more based on opinion than anything else. Why does this claim carry more weight then one someone says the game is dead because Theed or the MO on dant is deserted?
If the game were healthy there wouldn't be multiple threads on the first page of the forums all the time complaining about low populations and asking for server merges.
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
Where are all these fanboys, there arent many for a start and where do you get the idea that they are crusading to get you back? And there are acutally new people coming into the game everyday, most staying and enjoying.
Im just wondering where you get this information from? New people everyday? I highly doubt that unless you are talking about the trial. If there was this influx of new people why would posters on the O forum try to drum up the morale and start a propaganda campaign? Why would people still be wanting server merges? If there were new people everyday one would have to assume that in the 2 years since the "vocal minority" left this game should be doing much better than it is.
Another question I would have to ask is how do you know that all of these new people that you claim are coming to this game are actually staying? Do you keep some sort head count? Do people have to in some way notify you that they are leaving? Do you work for SOE in some capacity where you can see the canceled accounts?
I always wonder why when a vet makes a claim that can not possibly be proven they are called out on it and yet when a defender of the game does the same exact thing they do not feel obligated to provide proof. Your claims are totally unsubstantiated and more based on opinion than anything else. Why does this claim carry more weight then one someone says the game is dead because Theed or the MO on dant is deserted?
Pretty simple really, i see someone new, hanging around wherever, usually in eisley, sometime they ask me for help, a couple of weeks im still seeing that person around from time to time, names usually stick in my mind quite well. Also my guild always seems to have new players, and obviously its easy to know if they've left the game or not. Now, you have the option of believing this or what people like salvaje make up in their head, and remember im not here to try to get people back to the game, theres quite a few characters here i wouldnt want back. Of course people are calling for server merges on the forums, they always have done since the a few months after the NGE, the only reason its been a bit more on the hype recently is that a Dev, a few weeks ago stated that they were looking into the issue and working on it. On my server Theed or MO is barely ever deserted, except maybe in the early hours (and yes i know it wasnt like that PreNGE, i was there), but also the point is these places are no longer the main places to hang out; its Restuss, Mos eisley etc
Anyway, a couple of weeks back, i did post a bunch of pictures of places like Restuss showing the sort of amount of people, it doesnt prove new players of course, but i have much more evidence than anyone like iwantmyswg can claim.
You mean... that thread where you showed us a couple of pics from Restuss and Eisley, with definitely average numbers, after being asked to show proof of population density *outside* those twos ?
"Peace through superior firepower"
From the SOE boards: "I've noticed that not enough people are (quitting) Star Wars Galaxies and I and others would love to ( ) see this be gone (in future). That is why I say we act. I want everyone to fill up video game forums about how (bad) this game is compared to others. Go to game stores and try to make the game the (anything but) center of attention. (Berate) the game to people in game stores. Put games over (SWG) to hide it like a (WoW) game over a (Galaxies). Tell your friends (not) to play. Put an add of it on community notice boards. Whatever to make more people (not) play. And by doing all this, we might see (pre-cu). Who here is with me.
THE TIME IS NOW TO BRING SWG TO ITS (END)!"
Notice the changes I just made? Funnily enough, these are all things the "vets" have done in order to destroy SWG. But when the current playerbase decides to use your own tactics against you, it's no fun anymore.
Vets are getting pwned by their own tactics. I am so laughing at the bitter irony.
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
"Peace through superior firepower"
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
No, I mean vets crying (what else is new) when someone does the same thing they do in reverse.
It's funny, I thought we were laughing.
"Peace through superior firepower"
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
No, I mean vets crying (what else is new) when someone does the same thing they do in reverse.
Crying?
All I see the fanbois doing is going to forums, trolling, flaming, lying, and pressing the report button every time they see something they want to silence.
We never have used those tactics. We don't need to, because we have the truth on our side, while you guys end up having to spin yourselves into orbit defending chronic liars like Smed.
I think what we are seeing here is NGE players flat out lying in an attempt to save their game.
This Saay fella has contradicted himself so many times its silly. He now is claiming that the game is gaining new players. Ive also seen Obraik make the same outrageous claims many times over the years.
The only truth is that the game continues to lose players. And the evidence lies within the official SWG forums. Every single week there are multitude of posts asking for server mergers or how can they get the vets to come back.
Should we be surprised ? Not really, the remaining 40k players have learned from the Master when it comes to bold faced lying. And now these players are out using Lies in an attempt to save the game.
The NGE faithful admit on their own forums its time to get the message out and save their game. How else are they going to do this but lie about the state of the game ? They cant think theyre being honest when posting a positive review of the game or making statements that all is well in SWG land.
A bunch of liers playing a game designed by liers using stolen subscription fees to develop it in secret. It will sure be sweet when they shut that game down for good
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
No, I mean vets crying (what else is new) when someone does the same thing they do in reverse.
Personally I'd love to see you NGE lovers do something like putting copies of SWG in front of other games. Oh wait, that's right, the odds of finding a boxed copy of SWG in a store are about the same as you being struck by lightning, twice. Well, I guess you all could visit gaming sites and rave about the game. Oops, I guess that's not really a great idea either since most people who visit those sites have already played SWG and hate it or they know all about SOE's history with that game and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. I guess you NGE lovers are just SOL. You'd be better off staying on your little SOE website and playing your game in peace than coming to sites like this and making an ass of yourself by promoting a game that many here don't like which happens to be run by a company that most would love to see collapse.
The NGE fanboys have decided to invade the vet forum to convince us to come back. You see the game is in a bit of a mess these days and most of the servers are empty. They have realized that new people aren't coming in so as a last ditch measure they are trying to get the vets back.
Where are all these fanboys, there arent many for a start and where do you get the idea that they are crusading to get you back? And there are acutally new people coming into the game everyday, most staying and enjoying.
Im just wondering where you get this information from? New people everyday? I highly doubt that unless you are talking about the trial. If there was this influx of new people why would posters on the O forum try to drum up the morale and start a propaganda campaign? Why would people still be wanting server merges? If there were new people everyday one would have to assume that in the 2 years since the "vocal minority" left this game should be doing much better than it is.
Another question I would have to ask is how do you know that all of these new people that you claim are coming to this game are actually staying? Do you keep some sort head count? Do people have to in some way notify you that they are leaving? Do you work for SOE in some capacity where you can see the canceled accounts?
I always wonder why when a vet makes a claim that can not possibly be proven they are called out on it and yet when a defender of the game does the same exact thing they do not feel obligated to provide proof. Your claims are totally unsubstantiated and more based on opinion than anything else. Why does this claim carry more weight then one someone says the game is dead because Theed or the MO on dant is deserted?
Pretty simple really, i see someone new, hanging around wherever, usually in eisley, sometime they ask me for help, a couple of weeks im still seeing that person around from time to time, names usually stick in my mind quite well. Also my guild always seems to have new players, and obviously its easy to know if they've left the game or not. Now, you have the option of believing this or what people like salvaje make up in their head, and remember im not here to try to get people back to the game, theres quite a few characters here i wouldnt want back. Of course people are calling for server merges on the forums, they always have done since the a few months after the NGE, the only reason its been a bit more on the hype recently is that a Dev, a few weeks ago stated that they were looking into the issue and working on it. On my server Theed or MO is barely ever deserted, except maybe in the early hours (and yes i know it wasnt like that PreNGE, i was there), but also the point is these places are no longer the main places to hang out; its Restuss, Mos eisley etc
Anyway, a couple of weeks back, i did post a bunch of pictures of places like Restuss showing the sort of amount of people, it doesnt prove new players of course, but i have much more evidence than anyone like iwantmyswg can claim.
Saay,If I take you at your word (and I have no reason not to), your statement that new players are popping up on your server all the time is a sign that your server is doing fine. But what about the other 20-plus servers? From what I've read on these forums and on the official forums, about four servers have good populations. But realistically, how many of the other 20-odd servers are experiencing any kind of significant influx of new players? And I'm assuming the population bump you're seeing is from new players, not merely transfers or people from other servers rolling new characters on your server.
I'm glad to hear the population on your server seems to be improving, but it's just one slice of a 24- to 26-piece pie and doesn't adequately represent the health of the whole. For you to make that observation about your server and claim the whole game is progressing population-wise is as disengenuous as someone who arbitrarily claims 14k people remain as an overall player base.
Now, if you're regularly playing on every server and can make a broad observation about the state of the game, I can buy into that. But if you're not, I can only conclude that your server seems to be doing well and, according to forum posts here and on the official boards, other servers are ghost towns (with the overall exception of the four I referred to above).
To me, that does not sound like a game that is experiencing significant population growth. I think we can all agree, regardless of which side of the fence we sit, that significant population growth is about the only thing that bring this game back (and frankly, I don't see that happening).
As an aside, I can't remember the exact number of servers; if there are fewer than 24 or 26, my apologies for not getting the correct number.
You mean it's worked for them, and people are flocking back in hordes to fill the servers ?
No, I mean vets crying (what else is new) when someone does the same thing they do in reverse.
I think you mistake crying for amusement. The vets have nothing more to lose. Most of the more rational ones know that Pre-CU will never come back and to be honest I dont want it to. We are also quite aware of the fact that we can not bring SOE down. Thats fine as well.
I just find it amusing that people want to try and pimp out this cheap, fat, and diseased whore of a game. It is an act of desperation. That much is obvious. I guess you have to decide for yourself what is more pitiful. The vets who come to the vet forum to discuss the game as it was and the incompetence that SOE has shown for years (and is well documented) or the lonely desperate player trying to get people to go on some publicity crusade to try and get more people to play this game so he is not so alone and his game does not get shutdown. It is like giving CPR to a week old corpse but sometimes hope is enough to get people through I guess.
Further acts of desperation on the SOE boards today, oi:
"everyone go register at mmorpg.com and give it a "10" in every category
I'm actually speechless, and that's rare.
And we can have 10x the people give it a "0". Nothing at all to be gained there.
And we can have 10x the people give it a "0". Nothing at all to be gained there.
Well what got me about this post was that it was in among a bunch of posts about serious bugs that people have been complaining about for years in some cases. Other posts near it were about new serious bugs in one of the heroic instances. So how could people come here and honestly rate the game at a 10 on all the variables in light of that? I guess you leave the word "honestly" out. It saddens me to see some current players adopting the same attitude to other players that SOE has had over the years--just lie to them. That's a sad thing tbh.