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genral and mmo gaming will always be a dude thing (sorry)
Housam
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im not sexist and i will probably be flamed....but gaming will always be a dude thing.....i know that female gamers are rising...but still...they are a tiny minoraty (like 2/3%) and no company is going to invest a few million £/$ to make a game specially for women. sorry....but it wont happen..
i know there are a few f2p mmo like maple story, angels online and sos that may appeal to younger girls...but they all kinda suck...
im sorry...i was wrong..plz dont kill me 
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For some good advice you might need to become abit more openminded. Cause honostly there more woman/girls doing games in particulair the mmo genre but also on all sorts of levels, from lead game designers to just players and lots in between, so stop living in hte past and breath the air of today my friend.
There will always be a large gender gap. It's not like guys are eventually going to like shopping. It's just not in the genes. It's not that the stores in the mall don't know how to cater to guys, or don't carry the things guys want. It's just the fact that guys like to go buy something they already know they want or need, and leave. Can you seriously imagine calling up your male friends just to go try on clothes at the Mall? Ok, a few of you guys can, but I'm telling you, you are definitely in the minority and you're going to stay there. It's the same for girl gamers. Yes, there will be some, but for the most part the girls will prefer shopping to fragging someone online.
Nothing wrong with the guys that like to shop, or the girls that like to game, but they're probably going to remain in the minority, no matter what developers or merchants do to attract them.
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i dont think girls want barbie mmorpg..
myu gf is waiting 2 darkfall online like i am soooo
Remember Old School Ultima Online
still...its a tiny majourity...and alot complain that no games are being made unisex...there all to manly...
still...its a tiny majourity...and alot complain that no games are being made unisex...there all to manly...
Really Housam?? I've yet to see any female gamers here .. including myself... ever cry this. The few that do are feminist nazis who even other female gamers detest. I'd rather barf than get stuck playing some frilly lil pink elves in pretty dresses game and i'd rather barf then play some game that tries to be something for everyone instead of just a kickass game. Ever thought that some of the designers of some of these said 'manly' games are actual girls..because you know what...they are. Games are Games regardless of a main target audience they still take into account things that females like whether you realize it or not.
BTW I like ripping off arms and bashing my oppenents with them just as much as any guy does.
Unless your some sort of PHd holding nerd that actually studies gaming culture & female gaming culture you really shouldn't spout such supposed knowledge especially when its completely opinionated drivel.
I really get tired of seeing these threads they make no sense and its realy nothing but some guys throwing their epeens around while everyone else sits back and has a really good laugh at their expense. BTW thanks for the chuckle.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I think you are wrong OP.
The only thing that was holding back female players in the past was upbringing. The advent of my generation has seen a complete change in the way we view the sexes. Since then there hasn't been as much "forced idealism" in what the role of a woman is. As such, more women are exposed to games at a younger age now...allowing them to be as integrated into that world as men are.
By the way...my wife also enjoys tearing off limbs and bashing things to death with them. Deep in her heart...shes more of a PvP player than I am. *sigh* I married a good'n
still...its a tiny majourity...and alot complain that no games are being made unisex...there all to manly...
Really Housam?? I've yet to see any female gamers here .. including myself... ever cry this. The few that do are feminist nazis who even other female gamers detest. I'd rather barf than get stuck playing some frilly lil pink elves in pretty dresses game and i'd rather barf then play some game that tries to be something for everyone instead of just a kickass game. Ever thought that some of the designers of some of these said 'manly' games are actual girls..because you know what...they are. Games are Games regardless of a main target audience they still take into account things that females like whether you realize it or not.
BTW I like ripping off arms and bashing my oppenents with them just as much as any guy does.
Unless your some sort of PHd holding nerd that actually studies gaming culture & female gaming culture you really shouldn't spout such supposed knowledge especially when its completely opinionated drivel.
I really get tired of seeing these threads they make no sense and its realy nothing but some guys throwing their epeens around while everyone else sits back and has a really good laugh at their expense. BTW thanks for the chuckle.
well...your a little different to most
anyway...i did actually do a study in psychlogy last year on gaming....i studyed 200 people in my collegae...i only got 2 girls who game regularly...
Thankfully companies like Nitendo, EA, and blizzard disagree with you OP. While the male playerbase remains static, the female playerbase is increasing all the time.
Where did you get that 2-3% estimate from?
Sorry Op, you got beaten to the punch if you look at the date stamps: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/167569
By the way, you should be open minded in more way then one... like the fact that your test group was limited. One man was nice enough to post the actual statistics in the other thread:
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higher than i though....i think peopel have misunderstood me...i dont hate female gamers at all...the more the merrior......but some (not pointing fingures) coplain of the lack of female based mmo....thats who i was talking about
first, context: i'm male, married 20 years, 3 kids, gaming for 10 or so in spare time....
Honestly, and there again this may sound sexist as well in the opposite way from OP, but I think women are more socially and emotionally intelligent than men. They can hold relationship concepts in their head, compare, contrast, extrapolate from them etc. ( I could go on and theorize as to why I think evolution has equipped them in this way, but no point really). They are just smarter in regard to social and emotional subjects on average.
Hence, the reason there are not many female gamers. The current MMO genre is geared towards strategies, goals and achievements. Forming party X consisting of parts a,b,c to work through some dungeon crawl is like the local kids playing airsplat capture the flag games in our neighborhood (no girls there either btw).
I honestly think that MMOs are too simplistic in regard to social structures and inter-personal relationships to be of interest to the average female. It would be like trying to entice me to play in a tic-tac-toe tournament. I think they look at it as simplistic and boring. The options: one guild, one party, duh. Can a player make another player believe a lie about yet another player and kill them, so I can confirm myself to yet another player etc. 10+ people relationship scenarios are trivial to the average woman, so I think they look at most MMOs as a man might look at tic-tac-toe: simplistic and boring.
NOTE: talking on average here, which is the context of the thread. I've enjoyed playing with numerous females in guild, and if you are one of those, don't think this implies you are emotionally dumb, maybe you are a genius both emotionally and strategically! hehe
I don't think it's possible to predict this. It all depends on the games on offer and current trends...
The only real problem here are people who want to catagorize games as 'male' or 'female' when really games as a whole are unisex. Just like how guys vary in their likes and dislikes girls do too. While one girl might enjoy sports games, others may not. One girl may enjoy bloody gory horror games and others might like ..dress up dolls. You can't design a game specifically around the idea that only guys or only girls are going to like this. Yes during any design process there's going to be talk of one type of player like this more than another type or how the core gear is more liked by an average male gamer than an average female gamer. But flat out stereotyping & catagorizing games is just plain retarded in this day and age and alot more devs these days try to attract both through more social aspects being added into games. Then again when I played Everquest 1 back in the dark ages half my guild was all female. Some where friendly open crafter types and others were gear crazy raid lovers.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Housam, hehe, it's probably safe to assume that when you come on to a public forum with generalised stereotypes as an opinion, you're probably gonna get flamed all over the shop.
But as Voltaire said, "I disagree with your opinion, but I will defend to the death your right to have one."
Good thing about statistics is that you can use them to make any kind of pointless point.
I can understand the use of statistics, in say the economy, politics, etc, personally, I really can't be arsed with considering how many females play games. I'm very glad the fairer sex can partake in the same hobbies that I love, heck my girlfriend plays more than I do!
Why can't gaming be a 'people thing'?
You sir are incorrect. It is not a "dude thing" you should do your research before making such ridiculous claims. In 2005 43% of online gamers were women. in 2007 37% of online gamers were women. The numbers could be greatly increased if games were made more women friendly. For links for these sources please read the article in these forums titled "some misconceptions clarified". We do not want games that are made specifically for women, we want more women friendly content added to games. Do you like playing games with all guys? do you think women want to play with just the girls? no we all want to play together so bring us games that we can all enjoy. Your made up stats are a joke. L0L!
i think peopel have misunderstood my point....ohwell..
www.theesa.com/archives/2007/07/2007_essential.php
the 38% figure is representative for women playing all video games
EQ2 fan sites
Awesome! Thank you for the correction. "dudes" need to face the fact that more women are playing and paying and should be considered when adding content to games. Having men make assumptions about what women do and do not like is part of the problem, maybe they should ask us what we like in games. Because this cute little fluffy creature nonsense more than misses the mark. If you take a look at the games women are playing you will see they are games that challenge our minds. We need real challenge and content, not just "big guns".
Completely untrue, and actually a pretty small minded point of view. "Dudes" and "chicks" often like the same stuff. People like youself who most likely do not have, and probably haven't ever had, a girlfriend think this way because they do not understand the reality that girls like the same crap as guys. My girlfriend and I play DDO together, and she is actually more into it than I am. I know many MANY girls who are the same way, and they are normal attractive ladies.
In fact I know a girl who is a model who LOVES EQ and has loved it since release. So, cut the crap, and just accept that because YOU don't know any girls who play personally doesn't mean they don't exist.
Well "online games" doesnt mean mmorpgs and "general" gaming only, 50% are puzzlegames etc, and only 13% are "Persistent Multi-Player Universe" which is what I guess is mmorpgs, and 15.0% Action/Sports/
Strategy/Role-Playgames. So using those numbers to point out the number of male/females playing mmos is quite wrong.
Altho I think it would be a great idea for developers to put in more female-friendly material, as someone said, the female gamerbase is growing. Taking AoC as a example, with the whole deal with them having "nipples" is in my eyes a good example of a rather sexist gamingindustry that shoots themselves in the foot. Dont get me wrong, Im a huge fan of age of conan, and I long to play it, but looking at the developer panel discussion video they had and how every person in the video turned into a drooling giggling 14yearold as soon as they started talking about the female chars and how "sexy" they would be.
But no Housam, gaming will not allways be a "dudething", and hopefully the face of games will change. And no Housam, female gaming doesnt equal "cute" games, but yes, it actually makes you rather sexist to think that:)
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A lot: 7: a considerable quantity or extent <a lot of money> <lots of friends>
Manly: 1 : having qualities generally associated with a man : strong, virile 2 : appropriate in character to a man <manly sports>
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You claim to have attended to higher education, so you are going to get the piss ripped out of you all the more for things like this. Your big mistakes were these:
Rash generalization - By founding your argument on a select group of individuals yet encompassing their whole subculture, you WILL incite a response from their fellows. Don't wanna name names? THEN SAY SO. Do not assume your select experience is all encompassing. Ask if said experience holds true elsewhere instead of assuming it does.
Suggestive articulation - State opinion as opinions, not with language that articulates them as fact. Do not use absolutes.
Fraudulent information - I notice you posted in the thread I linked above even before posting this one. Obviously though, you didn't READ it as you would have attained those statistics on player base right away and saved yourself a few burns. Don't make up statistics when real ones are readily available, it'll just degrade your credibility later.
By the way, although the number I asked were limited, a few individuals expressed to me that they don't even bat an eye at their college's psychology experiments and research unless they were being offered money to participate.
Essentially, you flung yourself into a heated topic without doing your research. I wondered for a time why the thread I started got so many disgruntled individuals, then I realized... it's not the subject people dislike, it's the rash inconsiderate uninformed posts that seem to frequently pop up eventually.
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"Big surprise... there was no protection by this urban light..."
I would like to see more female gamers (who like to play naked in front of a webcam). Hey I’m just being honest.
A fun quote from Spinal Tap
Ian: ..They are not gonna release the album...because they have decided that the cover is sexist.
Nigel: Well so what? What's wrong with being sexy? I mean there's no....
Ian: Sex-ist.
David: -ist, not sexy.
why do people think im trying to insult gals...geez..this is anoying
Quite astute. I agree with you in manner of speaking, but in my opinion indifference to gaming is not something which is hard-coded into the genetic makeup of women, like object orientated shopping with men. Simply put, I think it is more of a social acceptance issue currently, and the gender gap will close in a relatively short period of time. Give it twenty years and you'll see the gap has all but disappeared.