Doesn't sound like a game I would play, as people doing sad lonely things like playing with lots of accounts at once make me feel that there are lots of special people who play. You know those people that shun the Social aspect of MMO's. Bit like the nasty kids in some very popular games at the moment. Or those loot only people etc etc
And another judge first, don't care to find out if it's true or not. Any of you care to pull off the hat trick of ignorant statements?
Doesn't sound like a game I would play, as people doing sad lonely things like playing with lots of accounts at once make me feel that there are lots of special people who play. You know those people that shun the Social aspect of MMO's. Bit like the nasty kids in some very popular games at the moment. Or those loot only people etc etc
And another judge first, don't care to find out if it's true or not. Any of you care to pull off the hat trick of ignorant statements?
Nope, not another judge first, I've played with multi boxers and they aren't usually the the nicest people. But from the reactions of the people that do, doesn't that ring a little true?
Nope, not another judge first, I've played with multi boxers and they aren't usually the the nicest people. But from the reactions of the people that do, doesn't that ring a little true?
And i've known plenty that were the nicest people around. So, because of your limitted experience, you choose to think ill of all of them.
So, are you going to think all video game players are violent murders because one shoots up a school?
Sweeping generalizations are for those too simpleminded or too lazy to actually judge people for their own actions. Try not to venture into that territory.
You obviously don't get it. The posters here, and myself are old school EQ players. We don't like five boxers or have any use for them. You would never have been allowed in a guild worth a crap in the old days. You would have been ridiculed and ostracized till we forced you to quit. Social games don't have people five boxing, and you were simply hogging a spawn for your bot crew. We don't care what your Guild Leader says, he is just as wrong minded about gaming as you are. Ostracized
$5 says I started playing EQ before you. I've played EQ off and on for the last 8 years so I know the changing landscape. Just because you, Mr. "Old School EQ Player", can't adjust to the way EQ is now played gives you NO right to attack it's current members for wanting to box to have fun in the game. Your response is bigoted and ignorant and you should be ashamed of it. To think, you want to dictate to other people how THEY should enjoy the game!? What are you? Abashi? Are you old school enough to remember how he changed the game and infuriated people by basically telling them how to enjoy it? Congratulations, you're so in tune with old EQ you now channel how Verant acted in it's early stages.
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account.
Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account. Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
Why are you people trying to dictate how people ENJOY a game within' the rules? WHY?!
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account. Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
Why are you people trying to dictate how people ENJOY a game within' the rules? WHY?!
We aren't, we are respecting the intent of the designers and the spirit of the game and MMOGs in general. The designers make the rules.
You want the benefit of multiple class skills, being more powerful with numbers, leveling faster in a group, then group up with other real people and share the experience and loot and deal with the annoyances that sometimes come along with having to interact and organize with other real people. Trade offs, good and bad, exist between grouping versus soloing, as the designers intend, and are taken into consideration when balancing the classes, skills of characters, and rewards for different playstyles in the game.
Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
W e are respecting the intent of the designers and the spirit of the game and MMOGs in general. The designers make the rules.
You want the benefit of multiple class skills, being more powerful with numbers, leveling faster in a group, then group up with other real people and share the experience and loot and deal with the annoyances that sometimes come along with having to interact and organize with other real people. Trade offs, good and bad, exist between grouping versus soloing, as the designers intend, and are taken into consideration when balancing the classes, skills of characters, and rewards for different playstyles in the game.
Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
Bravo Samuraisword! An Everquest game is being developed on a emulator by one of the original design team, HE HAS BANNED PLAYING MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS! We don't care what the game looks like now, it sucks, and that has been affirmed by WoW kicking EQ's ass! Original EQ was fantastic, this new game is crappola. We are tired of:
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account. Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
Why are you people trying to dictate how people ENJOY a game within' the rules? WHY?!
We aren't, we are respecting the intent of the designers and the spirit of the game and MMOGs in general. The designers make the rules.
You want the benefit of multiple class skills, being more powerful with numbers, leveling faster in a group, then group up with other real people and share the experience and loot and deal with the annoyances that sometimes come along with having to interact and organize with other real people. Trade offs, good and bad, exist between grouping versus soloing, as the designers intend, and are taken into consideration when balancing the classes, skills of characters, and rewards for different playstyles in the game.
Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
You obviously don't get it. The posters here, and myself are old school EQ players. We don't like five boxers or have any use for them. You would never have been allowed in a guild worth a crap in the old days. You would have been ridiculed and ostracized till we forced you to quit. Social games don't have people five boxing, and you were simply hogging a spawn for your bot crew. We don't care what your Guild Leader says, he is just as wrong minded about gaming as you are. Ostracized
$5 says I started playing EQ before you. I've played EQ off and on for the last 8 years so I know the changing landscape. Just because you, Mr. "Old School EQ Player", can't adjust to the way EQ is now played gives you NO right to attack it's current members for wanting to box to have fun in the game. Your response is bigoted and ignorant and you should be ashamed of it. To think, you want to dictate to other people how THEY should enjoy the game!? What are you? Abashi? Are you old school enough to remember how he changed the game and infuriated people by basically telling them how to enjoy it? Congratulations, you're so in tune with old EQ you now channel how Verant acted in it's early stages.
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account.
Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
You will lose , I started Oct 1999. I left about 6 months into PoP, the expansion that destroyed EQ. I mostly grouped and played a Warrior, but my favorite was my Druid.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
We aren't, we are respecting the intent of the designers and the spirit of the game and MMOGs in general. The designers make the rules.
You want the benefit of multiple class skills, being more powerful with numbers, leveling faster in a group, then group up with other real people and share the experience and loot and deal with the annoyances that sometimes come along with having to interact and organize with other real people. Trade offs, good and bad, exist between grouping versus soloing, as the designers intend, and are taken into consideration when balancing the classes, skills of characters, and rewards for different playstyles in the game. Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
Good for you, but the game has changed, the designers have changed, and they are all for multiboxing.
Dude that sucks, but I'm guessing there is more to your story. =
On a side note, your grammar sucks. When I meet people who talk like you do in games, I immediately picture a 10 or 15 year old kid. I'm surprised a grown man with a wife and a kid rapes the English language as well as you did. Just something to think about. GL
Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
The same could be said that if they did NOT intend multiboxing they would have required only one account per person! But alas the greed of the business should be the first rule in applying logic.
The topic was about a man and his wife being banned for calling someone out on cheating using a 5-box setup and then was mysteriously banned from everquest. I do believe there is more to this story than we will ever know. However, fact is, multi-boxers as stated by samuraisword are cheaters.
They bypass a key feature of an MMORPG, the MMO part. They multi-play alright... just by themselves.
Monopolizing areas and items not allowing others to utilize whatever section of the world they may be in at the time. Not to mention taking the human element of MMO's right out of the game.
Now the guy that posted saying he was the 5 boxer and pays his 75 a month to do so, it being america and he has the right. He is absolutely right, he does.
He pays the money to do what he is doing, but in doing so, he is destroying what used to be a great game. On that note you supporting him is what is causing the hostility toward you rouan because your supporting EQ's destruction. Multi-boxing is lame, childish, and for social outcast.
My xbox analogy was ment to make you understand that your basically playing an MMO for yourself by yourself. Which ISN'T and NEVER will be the intention of a developer or designer of a M M O R P G. You my friend are the one letting your ignorance shine.
so go 24 box it up with the rest of the social deviants of EQ, pay your 75 bucks a month (LOL which is ridiculous in itself) and have fun. We the sane true players of MMORPG's know you are wrong, and the more you post otherwise, strengthens the opinion on the state of the game inside EQ1. Which sadly use to be great, but with ideals like yours, has taken a huge turn in the wrong direction.
*edit - On a side note, I would also bet money that Rouan multiboxes himself, or he wouldn't be so bent out of shape over the subject.... he is trying a little hard and getting very defensive over someone else using the multi-box method. I think this is where all his hostility is coming from.
Personally I think multiboxing is a weak way to play MMO games but I dont go out of my way to harrass someone for doing it. If there's a specific rule against it and they're 'owning' an area and making it generally unplayable for myself and others like camping an area and making sure his lil robots get everything before we can get even just 1 mob we need I'll turn him in. Otherwise I just leave them alone. If they want to play themselves and look like the uber dork they are fine its none of my busienss. But if they're getting in my way and being rude about it as if they're so cool for playing with 5 toons at once then I'll report them in a heart beat.
I've never had to do this. The few multiboxers I've ever met were oddly polite and actually asked to join a group I was in. I know this isn't the case with everyone of them out there but the same can be said for the average player some people are just asses.
Basically its a case by case basis on if I report people. Somethings like say gold farming, illegal power leveling services, etc etc I'll turn in immediately because those people who use those services piss me off but Multiboxing in a PvE game in a zone thats mostly devoid of other players just seems like a waste of my time to care. Now if they brought their lil robots into PvP yea I'd be pretty pissed since the whole point of PvP is to actually fight another player not a Player and his Robots.
I dont know what happened with the OP and his Wife so I can't comment to deeply but if this multiboxer was camping a spawn that they were trying to work up to I can understand the frustration but then EQ1 has always been that way with spawn camping the GM's generally don't do anything over camping boxing or not. There's corruption in every game but if he honestly did no wrong then going above the customer service reps head would of gotten him his account back. Obviously the OP must of been overly nasty in his replies which is a bannable offense.
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I don't get how anyone can defend "five-boxing". It's clear exploitation of the game, in my book.
Two boxing, if allowed by the TOS of a game, is something I don't really like, but at least I can understand. I've only met three two-boxers in recent years in games I've played and all three did it to keep a character belonging to a significant other on par when they couldn't play.
I've never personally witnessed 3+ boxing, but it's easy to imagine that most of those people are gold sellers or paid power levelers. It provides a hugely unfair advantage over "normal" players, to a degree that even doing so for "personal enjoyment", rather than profit, can not be justified.
Best Advice = Push for an MMO that allows only one account per person.
I do not defend or deny the right to multi box, I just argue that people keep saying it is an exploitation. If that were true it would be a violation of the ToS and if they have changed it fine. But last I recall (been three years since I played EQ, and will never play another SOE game as long as I live) it was not, so people need to stop making out that it is a crime.
SOE will never make multi boxing against its ToS because they are ALL about the bottom line, even if it means to sacrifice MOST of their player base. As long as it ranks a profit that is A OK with the BOARD members.
I agree, he is pretty quick to call someone ignorant, and uses 2nd grade grammar. I also picture him as a 10 year old child myself. *edit - On a side note, I would also bet money that Rouan multiboxes himself, or he wouldn't be so bent out of shape over the subject.... he is trying a little hard and getting very defensive over someone else using the multi-box method. I think this is where all his hostility is coming from.
Psst, he was referring to the OP. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the compliment from someone with such atrocious sentence structure, but I don't need your praise.
As for your side note, I'll take your money. I don't multi-box. I find enjoyment in the group game and in testing my abilities solo. I'm sure you'll cry yourself to sleep knowing I can solo King Tormax of Kael Drakkal though. However, I defend HIS right to multibox, because he has his fun that way. You, nor anyone, outside of SOE can say what he can or cannot do within' the game's rules. It's his money, his computer. He interacts with his guild, he interacts with his friends within' the game. YOU don't know the state of the group game within' EQ atm, YOU don't know what drove him to multi-box to continue to associate with the friends he's made while still having fun when they're not on. Maybe if people like YOU didn't drive off newbies we'd actually have less reason to multi-box since we'd have people to group with.
Now you got half the story from the OP's obviously rage fueled post, and the other from the boxer he complained about. You can choose to believe either, but remeber that server logs cannot be editted by ANY GM. So the OP has lied atleast once, how much more has he lied about and how much more would his story change after he calmed down?
Oh, and one final thing, if you're accusing an ENTIRE group of people for something, then yes, you, and your statement, are ignorant. It's a nice way of saying "STFU stupid, you don't know what you speak of."
Here is a cookie for being able to solo a raid mob from 14 expansions ago, I bet you feel real l33t now!
This is and has been the state of EQ1 from much of PoP onward. Anti-social multi-boxers hogging prime spawns.
I am glad you are wasting $75 a month to play this dead game, if it weren't for a few multi-boxers, EQ1 would have been shut down long ago.
BTW, for all the nasty comments about "how bad the WoW community is", I had more people on "ignore" in EQ1 than any game before or since. EQ1 has the worst community post Velious.
Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
The same could be said that if they did NOT intend multiboxing they would have required only one account per person! But alas the greed of the business should be the first rule in applying logic.
The game does only require one account to play it. I don't understand what you are saying.
If you are suggesting it's up to the developers to prevent someone from operating multiple accounts, I don't know how that's possible. It's not unusual for multiple persons in the same household and IP address to be playing the same game on their own accounts, so they wouldn't want to ban or limit by IP address.
You obviously don't get it. The posters here, and myself are old school EQ players. We don't like five boxers or have any use for them. You would never have been allowed in a guild worth a crap in the old days. You would have been ridiculed and ostracized till we forced you to quit. Social games don't have people five boxing, and you were simply hogging a spawn for your bot crew. We don't care what your Guild Leader says, he is just as wrong minded about gaming as you are. Ostracized
$5 says I started playing EQ before you. I've played EQ off and on for the last 8 years so I know the changing landscape. Just because you, Mr. "Old School EQ Player", can't adjust to the way EQ is now played gives you NO right to attack it's current members for wanting to box to have fun in the game. Your response is bigoted and ignorant and you should be ashamed of it. To think, you want to dictate to other people how THEY should enjoy the game!? What are you? Abashi? Are you old school enough to remember how he changed the game and infuriated people by basically telling them how to enjoy it? Congratulations, you're so in tune with old EQ you now channel how Verant acted in it's early stages.
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account.
Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
You will lose , I started Oct 1999. I left about 6 months into PoP, the expansion that destroyed EQ. I mostly grouped and played a Warrior, but my favorite was my Druid.
Oh yah? well my daddy can beat up your daddy! lol these "I played longer than you and I'm more uber" arguments cracks me up every time
I box.....My wife boxes....why? Lack of groups is why. over the last several years the active players we grouped with daily left the game. We dont want to and will not. Do we take prime hunting spots for our selvs? No. We mostly stay in the old world zones and and the only ones there. Would we prefer to group. Yup, but sadly most of that is gone in EQ.
What is pathetic is most of EQ is now populated with bots, there are no players left due to SOE mismanagement and WoW's superior gameplay.
I just had to laugh at the part in red...I agree SOE mismanagement has slowly destroyed EQ1 over the years but WoW superior Gameplay my ass lol. WoW's a good game but it is not superior.
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And another judge first, don't care to find out if it's true or not. Any of you care to pull off the hat trick of ignorant statements?
And another judge first, don't care to find out if it's true or not. Any of you care to pull off the hat trick of ignorant statements?
Nope, not another judge first, I've played with multi boxers and they aren't usually the the nicest people. But from the reactions of the people that do, doesn't that ring a little true?
So, are you going to think all video game players are violent murders because one shoots up a school?
Sweeping generalizations are for those too simpleminded or too lazy to actually judge people for their own actions. Try not to venture into that territory.
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.$5 says I started playing EQ before you. I've played EQ off and on for the last 8 years so I know the changing landscape. Just because you, Mr. "Old School EQ Player", can't adjust to the way EQ is now played gives you NO right to attack it's current members for wanting to box to have fun in the game. Your response is bigoted and ignorant and you should be ashamed of it. To think, you want to dictate to other people how THEY should enjoy the game!? What are you? Abashi? Are you old school enough to remember how he changed the game and infuriated people by basically telling them how to enjoy it? Congratulations, you're so in tune with old EQ you now channel how Verant acted in it's early stages.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account.
Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
Why are you people trying to dictate how people ENJOY a game within' the rules? WHY?!
Why are you people trying to dictate how people ENJOY a game within' the rules? WHY?!
We aren't, we are respecting the intent of the designers and the spirit of the game and MMOGs in general. The designers make the rules.
You want the benefit of multiple class skills, being more powerful with numbers, leveling faster in a group, then group up with other real people and share the experience and loot and deal with the annoyances that sometimes come along with having to interact and organize with other real people. Trade offs, good and bad, exist between grouping versus soloing, as the designers intend, and are taken into consideration when balancing the classes, skills of characters, and rewards for different playstyles in the game.
Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
You want the benefit of multiple class skills, being more powerful with numbers, leveling faster in a group, then group up with other real people and share the experience and loot and deal with the annoyances that sometimes come along with having to interact and organize with other real people. Trade offs, good and bad, exist between grouping versus soloing, as the designers intend, and are taken into consideration when balancing the classes, skills of characters, and rewards for different playstyles in the game.
Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
Bravo Samuraisword! An Everquest game is being developed on a emulator by one of the original design team, HE HAS BANNED PLAYING MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS! We don't care what the game looks like now, it sucks, and that has been affirmed by WoW kicking EQ's ass! Original EQ was fantastic, this new game is crappola. We are tired of:
Raiders
Multi-boxers
Soloers
Expansions of piss poor nature
Why are you people trying to dictate how people ENJOY a game within' the rules? WHY?!
We aren't, we are respecting the intent of the designers and the spirit of the game and MMOGs in general. The designers make the rules.
You want the benefit of multiple class skills, being more powerful with numbers, leveling faster in a group, then group up with other real people and share the experience and loot and deal with the annoyances that sometimes come along with having to interact and organize with other real people. Trade offs, good and bad, exist between grouping versus soloing, as the designers intend, and are taken into consideration when balancing the classes, skills of characters, and rewards for different playstyles in the game.
Again, if the designers intended players to be able to control multiple characters at once, and receive the benefits of doing so, then the game design would allow every player to control multiple characters with a single account. You just want to use a cheat code by multiboxing and circumvent design. By doing so you negatively impact other players fun by introducing lifeless characters and bots into the game, and try to gain an artificial advantage in a competitive environment and thus ruin that aspect of the game.
Bravo, and well and eloquently said.
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.$5 says I started playing EQ before you. I've played EQ off and on for the last 8 years so I know the changing landscape. Just because you, Mr. "Old School EQ Player", can't adjust to the way EQ is now played gives you NO right to attack it's current members for wanting to box to have fun in the game. Your response is bigoted and ignorant and you should be ashamed of it. To think, you want to dictate to other people how THEY should enjoy the game!? What are you? Abashi? Are you old school enough to remember how he changed the game and infuriated people by basically telling them how to enjoy it? Congratulations, you're so in tune with old EQ you now channel how Verant acted in it's early stages.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account.
Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
You will lose , I started Oct 1999. I left about 6 months into PoP, the expansion that destroyed EQ. I mostly grouped and played a Warrior, but my favorite was my Druid.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Samuraisword is correct in everything he said, not only related to EQ but MMORPG's in general.
Rouan is wrong, and if multiboxing is FUN! then go hook your xbox 360 up to 16 other xbox 360's and play yourself in Halo 3 till you puke.
It doesn't belong in MMO's
Good for you, but the game has changed, the designers have changed, and they are all for multiboxing.
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Dude that sucks, but I'm guessing there is more to your story. =
On a side note, your grammar sucks. When I meet people who talk like you do in games, I immediately picture a 10 or 15 year old kid. I'm surprised a grown man with a wife and a kid rapes the English language as well as you did. Just something to think about. GL
The same could be said that if they did NOT intend multiboxing they would have required only one account per person! But alas the greed of the business should be the first rule in applying logic.
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The topic was about a man and his wife being banned for calling someone out on cheating using a 5-box setup and then was mysteriously banned from everquest. I do believe there is more to this story than we will ever know. However, fact is, multi-boxers as stated by samuraisword are cheaters.
They bypass a key feature of an MMORPG, the MMO part. They multi-play alright... just by themselves.
Monopolizing areas and items not allowing others to utilize whatever section of the world they may be in at the time. Not to mention taking the human element of MMO's right out of the game.
Now the guy that posted saying he was the 5 boxer and pays his 75 a month to do so, it being america and he has the right. He is absolutely right, he does.
He pays the money to do what he is doing, but in doing so, he is destroying what used to be a great game. On that note you supporting him is what is causing the hostility toward you rouan because your supporting EQ's destruction. Multi-boxing is lame, childish, and for social outcast.
My xbox analogy was ment to make you understand that your basically playing an MMO for yourself by yourself. Which ISN'T and NEVER will be the intention of a developer or designer of a M M O R P G. You my friend are the one letting your ignorance shine.
so go 24 box it up with the rest of the social deviants of EQ, pay your 75 bucks a month (LOL which is ridiculous in itself) and have fun. We the sane true players of MMORPG's know you are wrong, and the more you post otherwise, strengthens the opinion on the state of the game inside EQ1. Which sadly use to be great, but with ideals like yours, has taken a huge turn in the wrong direction.
*edit - On a side note, I would also bet money that Rouan multiboxes himself, or he wouldn't be so bent out of shape over the subject.... he is trying a little hard and getting very defensive over someone else using the multi-box method. I think this is where all his hostility is coming from.
Personally I think multiboxing is a weak way to play MMO games but I dont go out of my way to harrass someone for doing it. If there's a specific rule against it and they're 'owning' an area and making it generally unplayable for myself and others like camping an area and making sure his lil robots get everything before we can get even just 1 mob we need I'll turn him in. Otherwise I just leave them alone. If they want to play themselves and look like the uber dork they are fine its none of my busienss. But if they're getting in my way and being rude about it as if they're so cool for playing with 5 toons at once then I'll report them in a heart beat.
I've never had to do this. The few multiboxers I've ever met were oddly polite and actually asked to join a group I was in. I know this isn't the case with everyone of them out there but the same can be said for the average player some people are just asses.
Basically its a case by case basis on if I report people. Somethings like say gold farming, illegal power leveling services, etc etc I'll turn in immediately because those people who use those services piss me off but Multiboxing in a PvE game in a zone thats mostly devoid of other players just seems like a waste of my time to care. Now if they brought their lil robots into PvP yea I'd be pretty pissed since the whole point of PvP is to actually fight another player not a Player and his Robots.
I dont know what happened with the OP and his Wife so I can't comment to deeply but if this multiboxer was camping a spawn that they were trying to work up to I can understand the frustration but then EQ1 has always been that way with spawn camping the GM's generally don't do anything over camping boxing or not. There's corruption in every game but if he honestly did no wrong then going above the customer service reps head would of gotten him his account back. Obviously the OP must of been overly nasty in his replies which is a bannable offense.
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I don't get how anyone can defend "five-boxing". It's clear exploitation of the game, in my book.
Two boxing, if allowed by the TOS of a game, is something I don't really like, but at least I can understand. I've only met three two-boxers in recent years in games I've played and all three did it to keep a character belonging to a significant other on par when they couldn't play.
I've never personally witnessed 3+ boxing, but it's easy to imagine that most of those people are gold sellers or paid power levelers. It provides a hugely unfair advantage over "normal" players, to a degree that even doing so for "personal enjoyment", rather than profit, can not be justified.
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Best Advice = Push for an MMO that allows only one account per person.
I do not defend or deny the right to multi box, I just argue that people keep saying it is an exploitation. If that were true it would be a violation of the ToS and if they have changed it fine. But last I recall (been three years since I played EQ, and will never play another SOE game as long as I live) it was not, so people need to stop making out that it is a crime.
SOE will never make multi boxing against its ToS because they are ALL about the bottom line, even if it means to sacrifice MOST of their player base. As long as it ranks a profit that is A OK with the BOARD members.
As for your side note, I'll take your money. I don't multi-box. I find enjoyment in the group game and in testing my abilities solo. I'm sure you'll cry yourself to sleep knowing I can solo King Tormax of Kael Drakkal though. However, I defend HIS right to multibox, because he has his fun that way. You, nor anyone, outside of SOE can say what he can or cannot do within' the game's rules. It's his money, his computer. He interacts with his guild, he interacts with his friends within' the game. YOU don't know the state of the group game within' EQ atm, YOU don't know what drove him to multi-box to continue to associate with the friends he's made while still having fun when they're not on. Maybe if people like YOU didn't drive off newbies we'd actually have less reason to multi-box since we'd have people to group with.
Now you got half the story from the OP's obviously rage fueled post, and the other from the boxer he complained about. You can choose to believe either, but remeber that server logs cannot be editted by ANY GM. So the OP has lied atleast once, how much more has he lied about and how much more would his story change after he calmed down?
Oh, and one final thing, if you're accusing an ENTIRE group of people for something, then yes, you, and your statement, are ignorant. It's a nice way of saying "STFU stupid, you don't know what you speak of."
Here is a cookie for being able to solo a raid mob from 14 expansions ago, I bet you feel real l33t now!
This is and has been the state of EQ1 from much of PoP onward. Anti-social multi-boxers hogging prime spawns.
I am glad you are wasting $75 a month to play this dead game, if it weren't for a few multi-boxers, EQ1 would have been shut down long ago.
BTW, for all the nasty comments about "how bad the WoW community is", I had more people on "ignore" in EQ1 than any game before or since. EQ1 has the worst community post Velious.
The same could be said that if they did NOT intend multiboxing they would have required only one account per person! But alas the greed of the business should be the first rule in applying logic.
The game does only require one account to play it. I don't understand what you are saying.
If you are suggesting it's up to the developers to prevent someone from operating multiple accounts, I don't know how that's possible. It's not unusual for multiple persons in the same household and IP address to be playing the same game on their own accounts, so they wouldn't want to ban or limit by IP address.
I left EQ after Velious. Didn't like the path the community was headed down so I moved on. Shame to see what has happened to the community.
I'll take your $5. I was one of the 10,000 who logged on that first day of release and played for over 4 years straight until SOE ruined the game after Brad left.$5 says I started playing EQ before you. I've played EQ off and on for the last 8 years so I know the changing landscape. Just because you, Mr. "Old School EQ Player", can't adjust to the way EQ is now played gives you NO right to attack it's current members for wanting to box to have fun in the game. Your response is bigoted and ignorant and you should be ashamed of it. To think, you want to dictate to other people how THEY should enjoy the game!? What are you? Abashi? Are you old school enough to remember how he changed the game and infuriated people by basically telling them how to enjoy it? Congratulations, you're so in tune with old EQ you now channel how Verant acted in it's early stages.
I also mostly soloed, and soloing is about playing one character and relying on that character's skills only. Multiboxers are cheaters, circumventing game design by artificially creating their own hybrids and using bots to accomplish solo what they were not intended to accomplish solo and benefiting from multiple class skills without grouping and sharing experience and loot. If the designers intended players to be able to play multiple characters at the same time, they would allow every player to do so with a single account.
Multiboxers ruin immersion, by filling the game with lifeless soulless characters and bots. Based on my experience multiboxers are rude, hog mobs and entire areas, to powerlevel a character or farm items for goldselling. That doesn't make me bigoted, it is fact based on my experience.
You will lose , I started Oct 1999. I left about 6 months into PoP, the expansion that destroyed EQ. I mostly grouped and played a Warrior, but my favorite was my Druid.
Oh yah? well my daddy can beat up your daddy! lol these "I played longer than you and I'm more uber" arguments cracks me up every time
What is pathetic is most of EQ is now populated with bots, there are no players left due to SOE mismanagement and WoW's superior gameplay.
Wow what a derail this turned into.
But as long as its derailed........
I box.....My wife boxes....why? Lack of groups is why. over the last several years the active players we grouped with daily left the game. We dont want to and will not. Do we take prime hunting spots for our selvs? No. We mostly stay in the old world zones and and the only ones there. Would we prefer to group. Yup, but sadly most of that is gone in EQ.
I just had to laugh at the part in red...I agree SOE mismanagement has slowly destroyed EQ1 over the years but WoW superior Gameplay my ass lol. WoW's a good game but it is not superior.
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