Yes, we're all selfish people . Chilastra is the server I've been playing on since July 2003.
And yes, people DID complain about the populations before the NGE. Even back then people were asking for screenshots to proove that my server wasn't dead. Every game seems to have these sorta claims though, even WoW surprisingly.
The key difference being.. that as people claim "WoW is dying". Vivendi keeps reporting record profits in its gaming division. You can't make a "record" profit every report.. with less players..
And yes.. people claim that the population was dropping before the CU.. even Smed says that.
However, part of that is deciding to rewrite history a bit.
When EQ2/WoW launched yes people logging in dropped... I left and played EQ2 for one month and WoW for close to 2 months.
When I came back Starsider was MORE populated than ever. Actually if you look at the graphs.. you'll notice a big spike (showing an increase) in population 3 months or so after WoW launched.
Which was getting close to the CU (big drop).
I've commented on your post before.. but do you really want to try to compare this games populaton with that of WoW? or Pre-CU SWG?
People claim that all MMO's lose subs over time.. that's true. The one other thing they have in common? Radical change over time that drives the fans away. *gasp*
Anyway glad you're having fun in SWG. Very hard to find games that one can enjoy these days. (no that's not sarcasm). Enjoy it while it lasts... (I played Earth and Beyond... so its coming from that perspective).
How about an in game date stamp? Pictures are meaningless without proof of validity.
See the sign off time of the person in the chat box for a date and time stamp
Doesn't it read , March 4, 18:26 (6:26pm) 2008? How does that prove the time is different than what's on your system (also 6:26pm)?
And you have some bad ping, not to mention...11 fps?
What are you asking for? The times and dates are based on the NZ time zone since that's where I live...all times you see in the game are based on your client time, not the server time. Convert that time to US EST then you'll see that yes, my times I said are correct
The ping is explained by the above. As for the FPS, I prefer to run with AA and AF up somewhat high so in more populated areas I take a bit of a FPS hit if I don't turn the in-game settings down.
Yes, we're all selfish people . Chilastra is the server I've been playing on since July 2003.
And yes, people DID complain about the populations before the NGE. Even back then people were asking for screenshots to proove that my server wasn't dead. Every game seems to have these sorta claims though, even WoW surprisingly.
The key difference being.. that as people claim "WoW is dying". Vivendi keeps reporting record profits in its gaming division. You can't make a "record" profit every report.. with less players..
And yes.. people claim that the population was dropping before the CU.. even Smed says that.
However, part of that is deciding to rewrite history a bit.
When EQ2/WoW launched yes people logging in dropped... I left and played EQ2 for one month and WoW for close to 2 months.
When I came back Starsider was MORE populated than ever. Actually if you look at the graphs.. you'll notice a big spike (showing an increase) in population 3 months or so after WoW launched.
Which was getting close to the CU (big drop).
I've commented on your post before.. but do you really want to try to compare this games populaton with that of WoW? or Pre-CU SWG?
People claim that all MMO's lose subs over time.. that's true. The one other thing they have in common? Radical change over time that drives the fans away. *gasp*
Anyway glad you're having fun in SWG. Very hard to find games that one can enjoy these days. (no that's not sarcasm). Enjoy it while it lasts... (I played Earth and Beyond... so its coming from that perspective).
I think you misinterpreted my post and made some assumptiions. I don't believe WoW is dieing, I was pointing out that people in every game community like to jump in and claim "it's dieing", probably because they don't like the game (and by game I mean games in general) and feel if they don't want to play it then no one else does. I also don't believe I've compared the current population to WoW, Pre-cu or any other game.
Obraik, thank you for at least posting an image on here.
It's less than 50 people, which I said the MOST I ever saw on the Bloodfin server was 100 total on a given night, so it pretty much supports my claims...
Also, you claim to have been on that server since July of 2003 in this thread, but in other threads you claim to have started playing during the CU, months before the NGE hit... You seem to have created most of your accounts on here in 2005, which would also support that you actually began playing during the CU, which would mean you never actually played SWG Pre-CU.
So if you never actually played Pre-CU you would have no ability to compare populations or credibly advise people on the subject.
I can find your posts here that clearly state you began playing during the CU barely before the NGE took place, if you would like me to...
Also, Obraik, I found this on the official SWG forums...
Not only have you claimed to started playing SWG during the CU and just before the NGE went live, you registered on the official forums in September of 2005, literally 2 months before the NGE happened, which would also support your PRIOR claims of never having played Pre-CU SWG...
Also, Obraik, I found this on the official SWG forums... Not only have you claimed to started playing SWG during the CU and just before the NGE went live, you registered on the official forums in September of 2005, literally 2 months before the NGE happened, which would also support your PRIOR claims of never having played Pre-CU SWG...
Now you are suddenly claiming to have played since July of 2003?
Heh, congrats, you found my alt account. My main account however, is here, http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/user/profile.m?user_id=107794. Did it not seem a little odd to you that the post count was 0? That of course is the forum registration date, actual start date was July. What next, a screenshot of the accounts page? That is unlikely to happen however, as I'd rather not show my account name to the rest of the internet so they can attempt to hack my account
As for the dots on the radar, maybe later I'll post a blow up of the radar so you can count it properly
Here's the thing about Ob, you listen to him, go to Chilastra and play SWG with him and you will find out that he and his buds are all about trying to get people to have fun in the game. You may not like SWG now because it isn't pre-CU and whatnot, but there are people there trying to have fun and trying to help people to the same ends. The thing is, Obraik and several of his friends want their game to continue to be fun, not only for themselves but for others too. Rather than call him a fanboy in a derogatory way, maybe you could just say, "thanks for trying to get me involved, but I really didn't enjoy it as much as you do" and move on your way.
Also, the population argument has become pretty old now. SWG is old, just look at games that came out about the same time that were similarly popular, DOAC for example is only slightly older and suffering from similar problems even after essentially combining down to 4 servers. Like any game that is mature, if you don't know where to look for players, you won't find many players. Sadly, many mature games from the same timeframe also have large numbers of instances which make the game seem even more empty. SWG's recent path toward instances and collections are nothing but hurting the image of population being low. Go try to hunt down a popular collection spawn and you will see players. Get in a PA that makes instance runs and you will see players. Get on the imp or reb chat channels and you will find out where the pvp is happening.
Last piece of advice: if you don't like SWG and NGE, don't go back and try it just to write a negative review. Calling current players selfish for wanting to play SWG is nothing compared to intentionally attempting to blacklist their game for your own petty age old grudge against SOE.
Heh, like I said before, probably never played another MMO and tunnel visioned on this NGE.
If he has played SWG for nearly 5 years, what does that matter? You feel that for some reason playing several other mmos makes you more qualified to judge the state of a game you no longer play? I've played every game on the list to the left except 4 and some not listed on this site, but if I were to ask someone about SWG, Obraik would be the first person I would believe due to his devotion to the game.
Well Deander, you believe Obraik all you want, that is your right.
This thread is a direct result of Obraik fibbing to a potential gamer about the population levels of current SWG, that person subbing, and realizing he has been duped.
Sure, Obraik may have good intentions but he also seems to be a viral marketer casting the absoluted most positive light on SWG and SOE that he possibly can at any given point.
He isn't any more credible than the angry Veteran who hates SOE.
It's nothing personal but he has said before he hasn't even played SWG Pre-CU, so how can he possibly have a discussion about the populations compared to Pre-CU and now...?
Having done exactly what you said, I have tried the NGE on several occasions. I even resubbed without using the Vet Trial once. I tried it for 2 months. I think 2 months is enough time to draw very precise conclusions.
Population wise, I have seen more people in Pre-CU Tyrena Cantina at any given time than I have seen on any give server in the NGE during their peak hourse.
That much is absolute truth.
Pre-CU Tyrena Cantina had MORE people sitting around than an entire NGE server does now, at least if you hit all the hotspots... But when people come here and ask this question most of you will falsify this and say that the servers are doing well and populated.
I just wish that the fanbois and haters alike could be more honest in regards to this game. It isn't fair to someone who just wants an HONEST validation.
Well Deander, you believe Obraik all you want, that is your right. This thread is a direct result of Obraik fibbing to a potential gamer about the population levels of current SWG, that person subbing, and realizing he has been duped. Sure, Obraik may have good intentions but he also seems to be a viral marketer casting the absoluted most positive light on SWG and SOE that he possibly can at any given point. He isn't any more credible than the angry Veteran who hates SOE. It's nothing personal but he has said before he hasn't even played SWG Pre-CU, so how can he possibly have a discussion about the populations compared to Pre-CU and now...? Having done exactly what you said, I have tried the NGE on several occasions. I even resubbed without using the Vet Trial once. I tried it for 2 months. I think 2 months is enough time to draw very precise conclusions. Population wise, I have seen more people in Pre-CU Tyrena Cantina at any given time than I have seen on any give server in the NGE during their peak hourse. That much is absolute truth. Pre-CU Tyrena Cantina had MORE people sitting around than an entire NGE server does now, at least if you hit all the hotspots... But when people come here and ask this question most of you will falsify this and say that the servers are doing well and populated. I just wish that the fanbois and haters alike could be more honest in regards to this game. It isn't fair to someone who just wants an HONEST validation.
Where have I said I never played Pre-cu? Hard not to play Pre-cu when you've been playing since July 2003 and coming up on a 57 month Vet reward
As for the OP, he played on Corbantis, I'm on Chilastra. When ever I talk about populations, I usually try mention that my view is based on what I see on Chilastra. I'm well aware that there are servers such as Kauri that are rather low on population.
Furthermore, I haven't compared populations to pre-cu at all. I've never said there's more people now then there was at X time because I don't have any official numbers to prove or disprove that. I DO say that the population on Chilastra (and certainly others) is not dieing, though, because it's not. If you read more from what I say, then that's your own issue, there seems to be a number of people here that seem to believe there's more words on sentences people write then what there actually is.
Boy, you people just love to bash Obraik don't you? Let me be clear, I have played the game since about 4 weeks after it first came out. I started playing with five other friends. BEFORE the CU, all of them had already quit but me. The first two guilds I had joined had already shut down. The first player city I was in had already disappeared. And this was on Bloodfin.
My point is that the population was already going down before the CU and NGE. You are fooling yourselves if you believe otherwise. Now granted before it was a boat with several holes below the water line. The NGE blew a giant heaping crater into the boat.
The game is not that bad, and, to be quite honest, it is currently the only star wars game of its kind. I would love to see another, better Star Wars MMO out there, but until then I will take what I can get.
I understand the way the NGE was implemented generated tremendous anger, particularly from those who relished the alpha class status of jedi. But honestly, the real problem with the game was that it was released before it was ready. The nerf-counter nerfs, the powergrinding skills to get the best pvp multi-class killed the fun for most of my friends who played--- that was why they left well before the CU.
Pre-CU was a grand experiment that failed. I think it would have been much more successful if they had delayed the release by another six months, but even if that had happened to you really think the current population would be anywhere near its peak that occurred years ago?
Eisley o'course is the iconic new player ie. newbie starting place. Of course its populated with guilds recruiting and helpers. What happened to the rest of the cities/planets? And to repeat the game needs a engine/graphic update. It's outdated. I want to play but the gameplay and population aren't there anymore. 50-100 people in one area/planet isn't anything. I used to drive over every planet and run into people doing something but sadly it's not the case anymore.
Obraik is truly a gentleman, and a poster that earns my respect. I have read his replies over and over, especially after he gets bashed. He always responds with respect and a cool head.. most importantly with the facts that back up his statements. Not that it matters to you, what I think about you, I just think you handle yourself well m8.
Obraik is truly a gentleman, and a poster that earns my respect. I have read his replies over and over, especially after he gets bashed. He always responds with respect and a cool head.. most importantly with the facts that back up his statements. Not that it matters to you, what I think about you, I just think you handle yourself well m8. /Salute
Indeed. I have seen the same thing. Similarly, he plays on my server, and is just about the most helpful guy i know in game and on the official forums. Kudos Obraik, see ya in game!
Obraik, thank you for at least posting an image on here. It's less than 50 people, which I said the MOST I ever saw on the Bloodfin server was 100 total on a given night, so it pretty much supports my claims... Also, you claim to have been on that server since July of 2003 in this thread, but in other threads you claim to have started playing during the CU, months before the NGE hit... You seem to have created most of your accounts on here in 2005, which would also support that you actually began playing during the CU, which would mean you never actually played SWG Pre-CU. So if you never actually played Pre-CU you would have no ability to compare populations or credibly advise people on the subject. I can find your posts here that clearly state you began playing during the CU barely before the NGE took place, if you would like me to...
You may have been confusing me with him about the start times. I officially joined the game when the CU hit, having played on firend's accounts up till then. Archeus asked me to post a pic of populations up here a little while ago and i did - the point is we mustnt just go round trying to compare populations to Pre-CU because all that matters is that there is a enough to pvp/group/have fun with and to meet new people all the time. We all know populations were considerably higher pre-CU, and did you see that 100 all together or did you add up what you saw around the galaxy? just interested. Regardless i assure you Obraik has played since Pre-CU, you can ask anyone in the chilastra community, infact, he was in a player spotlight and i believe it says there also.
I'm sure Obraik is a terrific guy and brings a lot to an online community, and that I can admire.
However many people see the NGE as being very unethical and a dangerous business practice. Obraik, being a vocal supporter of post-NGE SWG and a recruiter of new gamers, is essentially helping to make this business practice a success.
This, coupled with the observation that he rarely discusses current problems with the game (or marginalizes them) , is not helping to achieve accountablity of SoE as the provider of a product and service.
He chooses his words very carefully and responds only to things that do not place him (or SWG) in a position of scrutiny. It's truely a talent in how he does it, but transparent to those who see it.
But again, I'm sure he's a great guy and I would like the opportunity to know him in another game that offers a dynamic and exciting community similar to pre-CU SWG. Until then I view him as a supporter of something that I find fundamentally wrong.
I'm sure Obraik is a terrific guy and brings a lot to an online community, and that I can admire. However many people see the NGE as being very unethical and a dangerous business practice. Obraik, being a vocal supporter of post-NGE SWG and a recruiter of new gamers, is essentially helping to make this business practice a success. This, coupled with the observation that he rarely discusses current problems with the game (or marginalizes them) , is not helping to achieve accountablity of SoE as the provider of a product and service. He chooses his words very carefully and responds only to things that do not place him (or SWG) in a position of scrutiny. It's truely a talent in how he does it, but transparent to those who see it. But again, I'm sure he's a great guy and I would like the opportunity to know him in another game that offers a dynamic and exciting community similar to pre-CU SWG. Until then I view him as a supporter of something that I find fundamentally wrong.
Well, the "problems" people have with the game is going to vary from person to person. For example, some here see the combat speed as a problem with the game at the moment whereas I prefer the faster speed.
As I've mentioned in the past, the issues I have aren't always relavent to these forums as many won't be able to relate to them (as they don't play the game and probably don't know what I'm talking about). I post these on the official forums where my issues are more likely to get more support from other players and more likely to be viewed by the Devs.
I'm sure Obraik is a terrific guy and brings a lot to an online community, and that I can admire. However many people see the NGE as being very unethical and a dangerous business practice. Obraik, being a vocal supporter of post-NGE SWG and a recruiter of new gamers, is essentially helping to make this business practice a success. This, coupled with the observation that he rarely discusses current problems with the game (or marginalizes them) , is not helping to achieve accountablity of SoE as the provider of a product and service. He chooses his words very carefully and responds only to things that do not place him (or SWG) in a position of scrutiny. It's truely a talent in how he does it, but transparent to those who see it. But again, I'm sure he's a great guy and I would like the opportunity to know him in another game that offers a dynamic and exciting community similar to pre-CU SWG. Until then I view him as a supporter of something that I find fundamentally wrong.
Well, the "problems" people have with the game is going to vary from person to person. For example, some here see the combat speed as a problem with the game at the moment whereas I prefer the faster speed.
As I've mentioned in the past, the issues I have aren't always relavent to these forums as many won't be able to relate to them (as they don't play the game and probably don't know what I'm talking about). I post these on the official forums where my issues are more likely to get more support from other players and more likely to be viewed by the Devs.
Well that's part of the problem. You're actively recruiting people into a game that has problems, and you're not discussing those probelms here where those recruits may see them before you encourage them to pay for a subscription.
I'm sure Obraik is a terrific guy and brings a lot to an online community, and that I can admire. However many people see the NGE as being very unethical and a dangerous business practice. Obraik, being a vocal supporter of post-NGE SWG and a recruiter of new gamers, is essentially helping to make this business practice a success. This, coupled with the observation that he rarely discusses current problems with the game (or marginalizes them) , is not helping to achieve accountablity of SoE as the provider of a product and service. He chooses his words very carefully and responds only to things that do not place him (or SWG) in a position of scrutiny. It's truely a talent in how he does it, but transparent to those who see it. But again, I'm sure he's a great guy and I would like the opportunity to know him in another game that offers a dynamic and exciting community similar to pre-CU SWG. Until then I view him as a supporter of something that I find fundamentally wrong.
Well, the "problems" people have with the game is going to vary from person to person. For example, some here see the combat speed as a problem with the game at the moment whereas I prefer the faster speed.
As I've mentioned in the past, the issues I have aren't always relavent to these forums as many won't be able to relate to them (as they don't play the game and probably don't know what I'm talking about). I post these on the official forums where my issues are more likely to get more support from other players and more likely to be viewed by the Devs.
Well that's part of the problem. You're actively recruiting people into a game that has problems, and you're not discussing those probelms here where those recruits may see them before you encourage them to pay for a subscription.
I'm not going to write a mini-review of the game in every post I make. If a problem I have is relavent to the discussion I'll mention it. Bringing up that I want reward armour craftable because it's useless in its current form isn't going to be relavent in alot of discussions, for example.
I'm sure Obraik is a terrific guy and brings a lot to an online community, and that I can admire. However many people see the NGE as being very unethical and a dangerous business practice. Obraik, being a vocal supporter of post-NGE SWG and a recruiter of new gamers, is essentially helping to make this business practice a success. This, coupled with the observation that he rarely discusses current problems with the game (or marginalizes them) , is not helping to achieve accountablity of SoE as the provider of a product and service. He chooses his words very carefully and responds only to things that do not place him (or SWG) in a position of scrutiny. It's truely a talent in how he does it, but transparent to those who see it. But again, I'm sure he's a great guy and I would like the opportunity to know him in another game that offers a dynamic and exciting community similar to pre-CU SWG. Until then I view him as a supporter of something that I find fundamentally wrong.
Well, the "problems" people have with the game is going to vary from person to person. For example, some here see the combat speed as a problem with the game at the moment whereas I prefer the faster speed.
As I've mentioned in the past, the issues I have aren't always relavent to these forums as many won't be able to relate to them (as they don't play the game and probably don't know what I'm talking about). I post these on the official forums where my issues are more likely to get more support from other players and more likely to be viewed by the Devs.
Well that's part of the problem. You're actively recruiting people into a game that has problems, and you're not discussing those probelms here where those recruits may see them before you encourage them to pay for a subscription.
I'm not going to write a mini-review of the game in every post I make. If a problem I have is relavent to the discussion I'll mention it. Bringing up that I want reward armour craftable because it's useless in its current form isn't going to be relavent in alot of discussions, for example.
Your example isn't a problem - it's by design.
Ruberbanding is a probelm that affects a great number of people but I don't see you offering that info. Nor does misfiring specials. Do you inform new gamers of these issues?
As I said before when you offer new people links to helpful tips how about offering them a link to problems as well so they can decide if they even want to start a game that has those issues. I think that's only fair.
But again that doesn't even cover the ethical issues of supporting the NGE. I'm sure you will tell people that you don't have a probelm with it, but that still doesn't make it accpetable IMO. It's still supporting a corporation and a game that will intentionally dump it's paying subscribers for more money.
So, I suppose that is the fundamental difference between you and I. As a consumer I cannot roll over and accept what's happened for my own consumer protection and choose to speak out against it. Essentially I see you as part of the problem because of your acceptance of it and encouraging others to do the same.
Also, Obraik, I found this on the official SWG forums... Not only have you claimed to started playing SWG during the CU and just before the NGE went live, you registered on the official forums in September of 2005, literally 2 months before the NGE happened, which would also support your PRIOR claims of never having played Pre-CU SWG...
Now you are suddenly claiming to have played since July of 2003?
Heh, congrats, you found my alt account. My main account however, is here, http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/user/profile.m?user_id=107794. Did it not seem a little odd to you that the post count was 0? That of course is the forum registration date, actual start date was July. What next, a screenshot of the accounts page? That is unlikely to happen however, as I'd rather not show my account name to the rest of the internet so they can attempt to hack my account
As for the dots on the radar, maybe later I'll post a blow up of the radar so you can count it properly
Obraik, while I barely know him beyond his posts always seems to have great information. Helps people get into the game, and wants people in general to have fun with the game. Regardless of how old a forum account is. Now that he showed his main forum acct for justification of a previous attack was unnecessary as I started in 2003, quit after 5 months due to a couple patchs came back multiple times before CU, then came back during CU, and needed an account to sell stuff on the trade forum so my account is nearly a year and a half after my original start date.
Some people just don't use the main forums for their MMo's as they rarely provide information worthwhile, that I can't get from a secondary source.
Obraik, while I barely know him beyond his posts always seems to have great information. Helps people get into the game, and wants people in general to have fun with the game.
True enough, but I wish he'd take that enthusiasm and helpfulness to a game and company that's more deserving of it.
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And yes.. people claim that the population was dropping before the CU.. even Smed says that.
However, part of that is deciding to rewrite history a bit.
When EQ2/WoW launched yes people logging in dropped... I left and played EQ2 for one month and WoW for close to 2 months.
When I came back Starsider was MORE populated than ever. Actually if you look at the graphs.. you'll notice a big spike (showing an increase) in population 3 months or so after WoW launched.
Which was getting close to the CU (big drop).
I've commented on your post before.. but do you really want to try to compare this games populaton with that of WoW? or Pre-CU SWG?
People claim that all MMO's lose subs over time.. that's true. The one other thing they have in common? Radical change over time that drives the fans away. *gasp*
Anyway glad you're having fun in SWG. Very hard to find games that one can enjoy these days. (no that's not sarcasm). Enjoy it while it lasts... (I played Earth and Beyond... so its coming from that perspective).
See the sign off time of the person in the chat box for a date and time stamp
Doesn't it read , March 4, 18:26 (6:26pm) 2008? How does that prove the time is different than what's on your system (also 6:26pm)?
And you have some bad ping, not to mention...11 fps?
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See the sign off time of the person in the chat box for a date and time stamp
Doesn't it read , March 4, 18:26 (6:26pm) 2008? How does that prove the time is different than what's on your system (also 6:26pm)?
And you have some bad ping, not to mention...11 fps?
What are you asking for? The times and dates are based on the NZ time zone since that's where I live...all times you see in the game are based on your client time, not the server time. Convert that time to US EST then you'll see that yes, my times I said are correctThe ping is explained by the above. As for the FPS, I prefer to run with AA and AF up somewhat high so in more populated areas I take a bit of a FPS hit if I don't turn the in-game settings down.
And yes.. people claim that the population was dropping before the CU.. even Smed says that.
However, part of that is deciding to rewrite history a bit.
When EQ2/WoW launched yes people logging in dropped... I left and played EQ2 for one month and WoW for close to 2 months.
When I came back Starsider was MORE populated than ever. Actually if you look at the graphs.. you'll notice a big spike (showing an increase) in population 3 months or so after WoW launched.
Which was getting close to the CU (big drop).
I've commented on your post before.. but do you really want to try to compare this games populaton with that of WoW? or Pre-CU SWG?
People claim that all MMO's lose subs over time.. that's true. The one other thing they have in common? Radical change over time that drives the fans away. *gasp*
Anyway glad you're having fun in SWG. Very hard to find games that one can enjoy these days. (no that's not sarcasm). Enjoy it while it lasts... (I played Earth and Beyond... so its coming from that perspective).
I think you misinterpreted my post and made some assumptiions. I don't believe WoW is dieing, I was pointing out that people in every game community like to jump in and claim "it's dieing", probably because they don't like the game (and by game I mean games in general) and feel if they don't want to play it then no one else does. I also don't believe I've compared the current population to WoW, Pre-cu or any other game.
Obraik, thank you for at least posting an image on here.
It's less than 50 people, which I said the MOST I ever saw on the Bloodfin server was 100 total on a given night, so it pretty much supports my claims...
Also, you claim to have been on that server since July of 2003 in this thread, but in other threads you claim to have started playing during the CU, months before the NGE hit... You seem to have created most of your accounts on here in 2005, which would also support that you actually began playing during the CU, which would mean you never actually played SWG Pre-CU.
So if you never actually played Pre-CU you would have no ability to compare populations or credibly advise people on the subject.
I can find your posts here that clearly state you began playing during the CU barely before the NGE took place, if you would like me to...
Tecmo Bowl.
Also, Obraik, I found this on the official SWG forums...
Not only have you claimed to started playing SWG during the CU and just before the NGE went live, you registered on the official forums in September of 2005, literally 2 months before the NGE happened, which would also support your PRIOR claims of never having played Pre-CU SWG...
Now you are suddenly claiming to have played since July of 2003?
Tecmo Bowl.
Heh, like I said before, probably never played another MMO and tunnel visioned on this NGE.
As for the dots on the radar, maybe later I'll post a blow up of the radar so you can count it properly
Lets all bash Obraik now...
Here's the thing about Ob, you listen to him, go to Chilastra and play SWG with him and you will find out that he and his buds are all about trying to get people to have fun in the game. You may not like SWG now because it isn't pre-CU and whatnot, but there are people there trying to have fun and trying to help people to the same ends. The thing is, Obraik and several of his friends want their game to continue to be fun, not only for themselves but for others too. Rather than call him a fanboy in a derogatory way, maybe you could just say, "thanks for trying to get me involved, but I really didn't enjoy it as much as you do" and move on your way.
Also, the population argument has become pretty old now. SWG is old, just look at games that came out about the same time that were similarly popular, DOAC for example is only slightly older and suffering from similar problems even after essentially combining down to 4 servers. Like any game that is mature, if you don't know where to look for players, you won't find many players. Sadly, many mature games from the same timeframe also have large numbers of instances which make the game seem even more empty. SWG's recent path toward instances and collections are nothing but hurting the image of population being low. Go try to hunt down a popular collection spawn and you will see players. Get in a PA that makes instance runs and you will see players. Get on the imp or reb chat channels and you will find out where the pvp is happening.
Last piece of advice: if you don't like SWG and NGE, don't go back and try it just to write a negative review. Calling current players selfish for wanting to play SWG is nothing compared to intentionally attempting to blacklist their game for your own petty age old grudge against SOE.
If he has played SWG for nearly 5 years, what does that matter? You feel that for some reason playing several other mmos makes you more qualified to judge the state of a game you no longer play? I've played every game on the list to the left except 4 and some not listed on this site, but if I were to ask someone about SWG, Obraik would be the first person I would believe due to his devotion to the game.
Well Deander, you believe Obraik all you want, that is your right.
This thread is a direct result of Obraik fibbing to a potential gamer about the population levels of current SWG, that person subbing, and realizing he has been duped.
Sure, Obraik may have good intentions but he also seems to be a viral marketer casting the absoluted most positive light on SWG and SOE that he possibly can at any given point.
He isn't any more credible than the angry Veteran who hates SOE.
It's nothing personal but he has said before he hasn't even played SWG Pre-CU, so how can he possibly have a discussion about the populations compared to Pre-CU and now...?
Having done exactly what you said, I have tried the NGE on several occasions. I even resubbed without using the Vet Trial once. I tried it for 2 months. I think 2 months is enough time to draw very precise conclusions.
Population wise, I have seen more people in Pre-CU Tyrena Cantina at any given time than I have seen on any give server in the NGE during their peak hourse.
That much is absolute truth.
Pre-CU Tyrena Cantina had MORE people sitting around than an entire NGE server does now, at least if you hit all the hotspots... But when people come here and ask this question most of you will falsify this and say that the servers are doing well and populated.
I just wish that the fanbois and haters alike could be more honest in regards to this game. It isn't fair to someone who just wants an HONEST validation.
Tecmo Bowl.
As for the OP, he played on Corbantis, I'm on Chilastra. When ever I talk about populations, I usually try mention that my view is based on what I see on Chilastra. I'm well aware that there are servers such as Kauri that are rather low on population.
Furthermore, I haven't compared populations to pre-cu at all. I've never said there's more people now then there was at X time because I don't have any official numbers to prove or disprove that. I DO say that the population on Chilastra (and certainly others) is not dieing, though, because it's not. If you read more from what I say, then that's your own issue, there seems to be a number of people here that seem to believe there's more words on sentences people write then what there actually is.
Boy, you people just love to bash Obraik don't you? Let me be clear, I have played the game since about 4 weeks after it first came out. I started playing with five other friends. BEFORE the CU, all of them had already quit but me. The first two guilds I had joined had already shut down. The first player city I was in had already disappeared. And this was on Bloodfin.
My point is that the population was already going down before the CU and NGE. You are fooling yourselves if you believe otherwise. Now granted before it was a boat with several holes below the water line. The NGE blew a giant heaping crater into the boat.
The game is not that bad, and, to be quite honest, it is currently the only star wars game of its kind. I would love to see another, better Star Wars MMO out there, but until then I will take what I can get.
I understand the way the NGE was implemented generated tremendous anger, particularly from those who relished the alpha class status of jedi. But honestly, the real problem with the game was that it was released before it was ready. The nerf-counter nerfs, the powergrinding skills to get the best pvp multi-class killed the fun for most of my friends who played--- that was why they left well before the CU.
Pre-CU was a grand experiment that failed. I think it would have been much more successful if they had delayed the release by another six months, but even if that had happened to you really think the current population would be anywhere near its peak that occurred years ago?
Eisley o'course is the iconic new player ie. newbie starting place. Of course its populated with guilds recruiting and helpers. What happened to the rest of the cities/planets? And to repeat the game needs a engine/graphic update. It's outdated. I want to play but the gameplay and population aren't there anymore. 50-100 people in one area/planet isn't anything. I used to drive over every planet and run into people doing something but sadly it's not the case anymore.
Thanks Obraik for being your own person.
Obraik is truly a gentleman, and a poster that earns my respect. I have read his replies over and over, especially after he gets bashed. He always responds with respect and a cool head.. most importantly with the facts that back up his statements. Not that it matters to you, what I think about you, I just think you handle yourself well m8.
/Salute
Indeed. I have seen the same thing. Similarly, he plays on my server, and is just about the most helpful guy i know in game and on the official forums. Kudos Obraik, see ya in game!
You may have been confusing me with him about the start times. I officially joined the game when the CU hit, having played on firend's accounts up till then. Archeus asked me to post a pic of populations up here a little while ago and i did - the point is we mustnt just go round trying to compare populations to Pre-CU because all that matters is that there is a enough to pvp/group/have fun with and to meet new people all the time. We all know populations were considerably higher pre-CU, and did you see that 100 all together or did you add up what you saw around the galaxy? just interested. Regardless i assure you Obraik has played since Pre-CU, you can ask anyone in the chilastra community, infact, he was in a player spotlight and i believe it says there also.
I'm sure Obraik is a terrific guy and brings a lot to an online community, and that I can admire.
However many people see the NGE as being very unethical and a dangerous business practice. Obraik, being a vocal supporter of post-NGE SWG and a recruiter of new gamers, is essentially helping to make this business practice a success.
This, coupled with the observation that he rarely discusses current problems with the game (or marginalizes them) , is not helping to achieve accountablity of SoE as the provider of a product and service.
He chooses his words very carefully and responds only to things that do not place him (or SWG) in a position of scrutiny. It's truely a talent in how he does it, but transparent to those who see it.
But again, I'm sure he's a great guy and I would like the opportunity to know him in another game that offers a dynamic and exciting community similar to pre-CU SWG. Until then I view him as a supporter of something that I find fundamentally wrong.
As I've mentioned in the past, the issues I have aren't always relavent to these forums as many won't be able to relate to them (as they don't play the game and probably don't know what I'm talking about). I post these on the official forums where my issues are more likely to get more support from other players and more likely to be viewed by the Devs.
As I've mentioned in the past, the issues I have aren't always relavent to these forums as many won't be able to relate to them (as they don't play the game and probably don't know what I'm talking about). I post these on the official forums where my issues are more likely to get more support from other players and more likely to be viewed by the Devs.
Well that's part of the problem. You're actively recruiting people into a game that has problems, and you're not discussing those probelms here where those recruits may see them before you encourage them to pay for a subscription.
As I've mentioned in the past, the issues I have aren't always relavent to these forums as many won't be able to relate to them (as they don't play the game and probably don't know what I'm talking about). I post these on the official forums where my issues are more likely to get more support from other players and more likely to be viewed by the Devs.
Well that's part of the problem. You're actively recruiting people into a game that has problems, and you're not discussing those probelms here where those recruits may see them before you encourage them to pay for a subscription.
I'm not going to write a mini-review of the game in every post I make. If a problem I have is relavent to the discussion I'll mention it. Bringing up that I want reward armour craftable because it's useless in its current form isn't going to be relavent in alot of discussions, for example.As I've mentioned in the past, the issues I have aren't always relavent to these forums as many won't be able to relate to them (as they don't play the game and probably don't know what I'm talking about). I post these on the official forums where my issues are more likely to get more support from other players and more likely to be viewed by the Devs.
Well that's part of the problem. You're actively recruiting people into a game that has problems, and you're not discussing those probelms here where those recruits may see them before you encourage them to pay for a subscription.
I'm not going to write a mini-review of the game in every post I make. If a problem I have is relavent to the discussion I'll mention it. Bringing up that I want reward armour craftable because it's useless in its current form isn't going to be relavent in alot of discussions, for example.Your example isn't a problem - it's by design.
Ruberbanding is a probelm that affects a great number of people but I don't see you offering that info. Nor does misfiring specials. Do you inform new gamers of these issues?
As I said before when you offer new people links to helpful tips how about offering them a link to problems as well so they can decide if they even want to start a game that has those issues. I think that's only fair.
But again that doesn't even cover the ethical issues of supporting the NGE. I'm sure you will tell people that you don't have a probelm with it, but that still doesn't make it accpetable IMO. It's still supporting a corporation and a game that will intentionally dump it's paying subscribers for more money.
So, I suppose that is the fundamental difference between you and I. As a consumer I cannot roll over and accept what's happened for my own consumer protection and choose to speak out against it. Essentially I see you as part of the problem because of your acceptance of it and encouraging others to do the same.
As for the dots on the radar, maybe later I'll post a blow up of the radar so you can count it properly
Obraik, while I barely know him beyond his posts always seems to have great information. Helps people get into the game, and wants people in general to have fun with the game. Regardless of how old a forum account is. Now that he showed his main forum acct for justification of a previous attack was unnecessary as I started in 2003, quit after 5 months due to a couple patchs came back multiple times before CU, then came back during CU, and needed an account to sell stuff on the trade forum so my account is nearly a year and a half after my original start date.
Some people just don't use the main forums for their MMo's as they rarely provide information worthwhile, that I can't get from a secondary source.
True enough, but I wish he'd take that enthusiasm and helpfulness to a game and company that's more deserving of it.