I feel that its a waste of time to explain to this guy what platform PUBLISHING means, so im not even going to bother.
And the first 2 assumptions are backwards, the game was delayed for about 4 months after the soe announcement and way after the release of the potc movie.
completly ignorant and misinforming everyone looking at these forums
In a nutshell
I write a book, ok now what......... Get it published so it can be sold to everyone around the world.
SOE is one of multiple MMO publishers, the other one i know of is NCsoft.
the op is very ignorant on this topic. I feel that its a waste of time to explain to this guy what platform PUBLISHING means, so im not even going to bother. And the first 2 assumptions are backwards, the game was delayed for about 4 months after the soe announcement and way after the release of the potc movie. completly ignorant and misinforming everyone looking at these forums
In a nutshell I write a book, ok now what......... Get it published so it can be sold to everyone around the world. SOE is one of multiple MMO publishers, the other one i know of is NCsoft.
People made the exact same argument with Vanguard. Look how that turned out.
I don't really have anything against SOE and I was just pointing out that they have some leverage in current FLS operations.
That being said the whole above discussion is really about deducting what mess was made by FLS and what mess was made by SOE. The point being that POTBS is a mess and it wasn't necessary. Just my opinion though.
whats the point in being children , ever since SOE made the big change to SWG , there classed as useless , well we all make mistakes you all really need to get over it , such sad sad little lifes you lead and yes if you want to call it im trolling , but this needed to be said because some of us like SOE.
It is good that you like SOE, somebody has to : )
The problem with SOE is that they DO NOT LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES.
Anyone who thinks SWG was the only (or even the biggest) mistake SOE is guilty of reallllllly has an issue with the tint on their rose colored glasses. That company have proven to be quite "toolish" over their ENTIRE gaming history. In every last game they have ever ran, there have been cases of borderline THEFT and complete ignorance of customer support and satisfaction.
To put it plainly, they are the Gene Simmons of gaming. They very directly have assured us all that they have no interest in making fun games...only in making money. They do not care how much of your enjoyment they take away from you, only how much potential enjoyment they can bleed your pockets for later. When faced with any form of argument against those choices...they have proven they will ALWAYS shut it down by deleting and banning all information they CAN control to make sure nothing is ever brought to light.
SWG is just one really good example....but they have repeated every action in SWG in their other games as well (Outside of another NGE...though they HAVE come very close in both Vanguard and EQ2 with their revamps of the game)
If you want to toss your line with that lot, I have nothing but disgust for you. Your money is being used to support the ideal that we are nothing more than walking wallets, and I personally think you should be taken into an alley and be beaten for reducing such a broad consumer base in such a way.
I can't see why any developper would want to do business with SOE
i also can´t understand why a developmer still will work with SOE togehter. everyone in the mmorpg community knows what they doeing with good games, also if the developmer says: "hey they are only our publisher, this dont have any other impact to the game.. ya rly!"
maybe SOE pays more or get lesser money for their job like other publishers.. and if a game developmer want make quick money they choose SOE. look at sigil, they have sayed a mmorpg is a sucess after hitting the 200k subscriber mark (or sold copys) .. after that they just sold their "project" lol.
They very directly have assured us all that they have no interest in making fun games...only in making money. They do not care how much of your enjoyment they take away from you, only how much potential enjoyment they can bleed your pockets for later.
This really sums it up. SOE has forgotten that they are in the entertainment business and all their games suffer for it. Other, more successful, developers keep the focus on player entertainment where SOE minimizes it.
I am so sick of SOE discussions. I have read so many posts from people hating SOE, but never ever has one of those told a single true line, what they did wrong with the exception of perhaps SWG, but then even this error might belong to lucas games. You are all ranting, crying and telling you have read from other cry babies. Every second one of you not even played a game from SOE, but hey it is so much fun to hit them.
I am so sick of SOE discussions. I have read so many posts from people hating SOE, but never ever has one of those told a single true line, what they did wrong with the exception of perhaps SWG, but then even this error might belong to lucas games. You are all ranting, crying and telling you have read from other cry babies. Every second one of you not even played a game from SOE, but hey it is so much fun to hit them. Disgusting!
I can assure that SOE deserves AT LEAST most of the negative publicity they get.
What they did to SWG wasn't just unethical, it was illegal, hence they later offered refunds. When you secretly develop a new game behind the back of your playerbase for 7 months, all the while assuring them that balances and new content are coming to the existing game, then you suddenly announce that in matter of a week the game they have played for 2 + years is no more, and a new WoW-version of the game will take its place... Issues.
No doubt LucasArts had a lot to do with it but SOE is the company that mass-banned players from the forums, that secretly developed SWG: NGE for 7 months, and told the playerbase fixes were coming to the CURRENT version of the game they were playing. SOE even went as far to post development ideas for Ranger professions less than a week before they announced the NGE was going live.
SOE sold copies of an expansion that would be 100% useless in less than a month afterwards.
That is just SWG. SOE has upset a number of players from Vanguard, EQ 2, and other games as well.
I am so sick of SOE discussions. I have read so many posts from people hating SOE, but never ever has one of those told a single true line, what they did wrong with the exception of perhaps SWG, but then even this error might belong to lucas games. You are all ranting, crying and telling you have read from other cry babies. Every second one of you not even played a game from SOE, but hey it is so much fun to hit them. Disgusting!
And so are people that troll like you.
For every $OE "Hater" there are 2 or 3 people that have had bad service, legitimately felt deceived by one or more of $OE's business practices, or had a game they enjoyed changed out from under them.
Disliking $OE is a natural reaction to how they treat their customers, "hate" not withstanding.
There was a plenty of warning posted in this forum not to touch this game. I tried it on beta and waited after launch for players feedback, and what i got were all negative. I was one of the "few" people who doubted the SOE's deal with the game and got flame in here and in FLS forum. Now all I can say is "told you so!" Forgive me, I just want to gloat a lil' bit. : P
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Hi just so you all know it isent soe fault that vanguard was so bad but there doing a really good job in fixing it and i enjoy it now, and SWG is one of the best mmo's out there and it plays really well too, so before you bad mouth them make sure you check other mmo companies 1st, i love SOE games so no matter what anyone says bad about them i know it is only there opinium. And also the reason that SWG is the way it is now is becouse at least 60% of the population who played it thought it was too complicated and too hard so thay made it work for even the noobs of mmo, but like all hardcore gamers you just think about your self and never the new comers.
I can't see why any developper would want to do business with SOE
i also can´t understand why a developmer still will work with SOE togehter. everyone in the mmorpg community knows what they doeing with good games, also if the developmer says: "hey they are only our publisher, this dont have any other impact to the game.. ya rly!"
maybe SOE pays more or get lesser money for their job like other publishers.. and if a game developmer want make quick money they choose SOE. look at sigil, they have sayed a mmorpg is a sucess after hitting the 200k subscriber mark (or sold copys) .. after that they just sold their "project" lol.
nah SOE is a red rag to me.
Good point. I remember the outrage (check the forums here) when Perpetual made a deal with SOE to publish Gods & Heros, the STO crowd went nuts ( me included) with the thought that they might get there hands on the Star Trek MMO. We all know Perpetual self destructed themselves and SOE wasnt to blame at all, just a good example of what the gamers think of SOEs rep.
Hi just so you all know it isent soe fault that vanguard was so bad but there doing a really good job in fixing it and i enjoy it now, and SWG is one of the best mmo's out there and it plays really well too, so before you bad mouth them make sure you check other mmo companies 1st, i love SOE games so no matter what anyone says bad about them i know it is only there opinium. And also the reason that SWG is the way it is now is becouse at least 60% of the population who played it thought it was too complicated and too hard so thay made it work for even the noobs of mmo, but like all hardcore gamers you just think about your self and never the new comers.
So your saying that 200k plus people (many who played the game since it launched) should be happy that SOE changed SWG so a few "newcomers" would enjoy the game more??
SOE's games are like flaming car wrecks. Everyone loves to watch them go down but few will pay to actually be in them.
I think that wins the Quote of the Day Award.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
whats the point in being children , ever since SOE made the big change to SWG , there classed as useless , well we all make mistakes you all really need to get over it , such sad sad little lifes you lead and yes if you want to call it im trolling , but this needed to be said because some of us like SOE.
um, the fallacy in your thinking is that swg was "the" mistake soe made. there is quite a long list of flops/failures/horrid decisions made in the myriad of games which call soe home. the biggest problem is that most people don't undrstand soe's commitment to, and i paraphrase because i'm too lazy to look up the actual quote, "delivering a plethora of average mmo-type games via the station pass, instead of making a great mmo".
keep that in mind and you'll never have questions about why matrix, vanguard, swg, eq, eq2, et cetera aren't the greatest games out there.
i look at it like walmart and target. my biggest irk with stores is the check out lines, by the time i'm there, i'm ready to leave the store. target has a commitment that if any line has more than like 2 people in it, they're opening new registers until the lines are all small. walmart really doesn't give a damn how long you wait to check out. they figure that their slave-labor-produced low priced items will outweigh the inconvenience of my waiting 15 minutes to pay for a couple of 12 packs of soda and a bag of chips. in my case, they're dead wrong and i go out of my way to patronize target instead.
same with soe -- they routinely ignore FAITHFUL, paying customers and do whatever the hell they want. i'll stick with the Targets of the MMO world and the MMO walmart types be damned.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I am so sick of SOE discussions. I have read so many posts from people hating SOE, but never ever has one of those told a single true line, what they did wrong with the exception of perhaps SWG, but then even this error might belong to lucas games. You are all ranting, crying and telling you have read from other cry babies. Every second one of you not even played a game from SOE, but hey it is so much fun to hit them. Disgusting!
being a person that has played pretty much every mmo out there for at least several months, i can state that there is little truth in the above quoted post. there have been many posts (on just this site) going into quite a bit of detail about numerous soe-only decisions which were horrible for station-pass games.
from the very beginning and the incredibly family-unfriendly marathon-long EQ raids, up to the latest fiascos associated with station-pass games.
heck, it's to the point that a team can make a craptastic game, trick soe into buying it and soe would end up being blamed for everything wrong in the game, based upon 1 their track record and 2 the bad press they have in the gaming community based upon gamers' personal experiences with soe.
fanboys are bad. fanboys are the opposite of a gamer. it would be great if all fanboys/gamers actually had tags, so you'd know in advance how to treat posts made by the person(s) in question. but, we don't have that.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Hate Soe It's the cool thing to do All the people in tinfoil hats say so All games assosciated with SOE suck Even if there are people who like them. All the people in tinfoil hats say so EQ is proof SOE games suck Even though it's made more money than 95% of the MMOs ever released All the people in tinfoil hats say so People who post random hate for games they've never played KNOW what they're talking about They know because they know things that must be true, even if they aren't All the people in tinfoil hats say so Random internet n00bs can speak for everyone with authority Because people who don't hate SOE just don't know All the people in tinfoil hats say so Idiots proliferate in the absence of reason.
opinions are opinions. facts are facts.
nice set of opinions in the above quote.
every idiot in the world has an opinion. not very many idiots have factual information; because, at that point, they're an informed individual.
but, as usual, it's just a generic "all you guys hate soe for no reason" post, without any factual information. why is it i rarely ever see factual information DEFENDING soe in any thread any place? yet, on the side complaining about soe, i can normally find a wealth of factual information?
fanboys. the ruination of online gaming.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
LOL here we go again with the club of SOE haters... whine whine whine... so far I haven't seen a game living up to my expectations... and I don't whine about it no one is forcing people to play the games.
Kinda sad to see people can't get over it and play something else instead of filling forums with complaints.
As far as I'm conserned most mmo games will be subject to changes or have final changes before launch which will not be to many peoples likening.
Eve online changed for the worse as an example and I hoped it would get better but it didn't and I changed to other games instead of wasting my energy on being frustrated on why ccp is not making the game better.
LOL here we go again with the club of SOE haters... whine whine whine... so far I haven't seen a game living up to my expectations... and I don't whine about it no one is forcing people to play the games.
Instead you whine about people whining about SOE. lol
Maybe... or maybe I tired reading forum fillings which really does not lead to anything.
In your case you don't have a better arguments so I won't hold it against you.
If a complaint about a game directed to the game creators/company isn't changing the game why go in all forums complain about it?? This does ofcourse not go for only SOE and it's games but for all other games which people is flaming and crying that sucks.
I mean seriously if people really believe that filling the forums in mmorpg and like with your endless whine about how much you dislike certain games you're really have little to spend your energy on.
Try to get over it and move on. I mean if it was important for your life and I mean for your real life you could go out in the streets protesting but since this is a game it's no worth getting angry for.
I have happily moved on from games I didn't like.. Try to focus your energy on something else... nit or start drawing a picture.... maybe create your own perfect game.
(Sadly, some of the links don't work now because they are part of the old FLS {pre-release} forums)
Then do a search on the current FLS boards about the Spanish Server and marketing in Spain (IIRC there was none and hence the spanish server is all but dead?)
This is not just whining about percieved past wrongs of SOE in relation to another game - this is a direct comment on SOE's performance in relation to THIS GAME.
And it is not just a "whine" based on perceived wrongs... in relation to this game there are established facts.
What upset many of the "fans" of PotBS was that this game needed good marketing and a good (retail) launch to have the best possible chance at a good start.
It didn't get that.
It may not have made a difference - but we will never know.
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the op is very ignorant on this topic.
I feel that its a waste of time to explain to this guy what platform PUBLISHING means, so im not even going to bother.
And the first 2 assumptions are backwards, the game was delayed for about 4 months after the soe announcement and way after the release of the potc movie.
completly ignorant and misinforming everyone looking at these forums
In a nutshell
I write a book, ok now what......... Get it published so it can be sold to everyone around the world.
SOE is one of multiple MMO publishers, the other one i know of is NCsoft.
People made the exact same argument with Vanguard. Look how that turned out.
I don't really have anything against SOE and I was just pointing out that they have some leverage in current FLS operations.
That being said the whole above discussion is really about deducting what mess was made by FLS and what mess was made by SOE. The point being that POTBS is a mess and it wasn't necessary. Just my opinion though.
It is good that you like SOE, somebody has to : )
The problem with SOE is that they DO NOT LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES.
With Smedley at the helm, they never will.
Tecmo Bowl.
I'm with Thunderous.
Anyone who thinks SWG was the only (or even the biggest) mistake SOE is guilty of reallllllly has an issue with the tint on their rose colored glasses. That company have proven to be quite "toolish" over their ENTIRE gaming history. In every last game they have ever ran, there have been cases of borderline THEFT and complete ignorance of customer support and satisfaction.
To put it plainly, they are the Gene Simmons of gaming. They very directly have assured us all that they have no interest in making fun games...only in making money. They do not care how much of your enjoyment they take away from you, only how much potential enjoyment they can bleed your pockets for later. When faced with any form of argument against those choices...they have proven they will ALWAYS shut it down by deleting and banning all information they CAN control to make sure nothing is ever brought to light.
SWG is just one really good example....but they have repeated every action in SWG in their other games as well (Outside of another NGE...though they HAVE come very close in both Vanguard and EQ2 with their revamps of the game)
If you want to toss your line with that lot, I have nothing but disgust for you. Your money is being used to support the ideal that we are nothing more than walking wallets, and I personally think you should be taken into an alley and be beaten for reducing such a broad consumer base in such a way.
maybe SOE pays more or get lesser money for their job like other publishers.. and if a game developmer want make quick money they choose SOE. look at sigil, they have sayed a mmorpg is a sucess after hitting the 200k subscriber mark (or sold copys) .. after that they just sold their "project" lol.
nah SOE is a red rag to me.
This really sums it up. SOE has forgotten that they are in the entertainment business and all their games suffer for it. Other, more successful, developers keep the focus on player entertainment where SOE minimizes it.
I am so sick of SOE discussions. I have read so many posts from people hating SOE, but never ever has one of those told a single true line, what they did wrong with the exception of perhaps SWG, but then even this error might belong to lucas games. You are all ranting, crying and telling you have read from other cry babies. Every second one of you not even played a game from SOE, but hey it is so much fun to hit them.
Disgusting!
I can assure that SOE deserves AT LEAST most of the negative publicity they get.
What they did to SWG wasn't just unethical, it was illegal, hence they later offered refunds. When you secretly develop a new game behind the back of your playerbase for 7 months, all the while assuring them that balances and new content are coming to the existing game, then you suddenly announce that in matter of a week the game they have played for 2 + years is no more, and a new WoW-version of the game will take its place... Issues.
No doubt LucasArts had a lot to do with it but SOE is the company that mass-banned players from the forums, that secretly developed SWG: NGE for 7 months, and told the playerbase fixes were coming to the CURRENT version of the game they were playing. SOE even went as far to post development ideas for Ranger professions less than a week before they announced the NGE was going live.
SOE sold copies of an expansion that would be 100% useless in less than a month afterwards.
That is just SWG. SOE has upset a number of players from Vanguard, EQ 2, and other games as well.
Tecmo Bowl.
And so are people that troll like you.
For every $OE "Hater" there are 2 or 3 people that have had bad service, legitimately felt deceived by one or more of $OE's business practices, or had a game they enjoyed changed out from under them.
Disliking $OE is a natural reaction to how they treat their customers, "hate" not withstanding.
There was a plenty of warning posted in this forum not to touch this game. I tried it on beta and waited after launch for players feedback, and what i got were all negative. I was one of the "few" people who doubted the SOE's deal with the game and got flame in here and in FLS forum. Now all I can say is "told you so!" Forgive me, I just want to gloat a lil' bit. : P
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Hi just so you all know it isent soe fault that vanguard was so bad but there doing a really good job in fixing it and i enjoy it now, and SWG is one of the best mmo's out there and it plays really well too, so before you bad mouth them make sure you check other mmo companies 1st, i love SOE games so no matter what anyone says bad about them i know it is only there opinium. And also the reason that SWG is the way it is now is becouse at least 60% of the population who played it thought it was too complicated and too hard so thay made it work for even the noobs of mmo, but like all hardcore gamers you just think about your self and never the new comers.
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maybe SOE pays more or get lesser money for their job like other publishers.. and if a game developmer want make quick money they choose SOE. look at sigil, they have sayed a mmorpg is a sucess after hitting the 200k subscriber mark (or sold copys) .. after that they just sold their "project" lol.
nah SOE is a red rag to me.
Good point. I remember the outrage (check the forums here) when Perpetual made a deal with SOE to publish Gods & Heros, the STO crowd went nuts ( me included) with the thought that they might get there hands on the Star Trek MMO. We all know Perpetual self destructed themselves and SOE wasnt to blame at all, just a good example of what the gamers think of SOEs rep.
So your saying that 200k plus people (many who played the game since it launched) should be happy that SOE changed SWG so a few "newcomers" would enjoy the game more??
You don't use SOE, SOE uses YOU
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SOE's games are like flaming car wrecks. Everyone loves to watch them go down but few will pay to actually be in them.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
um, the fallacy in your thinking is that swg was "the" mistake soe made. there is quite a long list of flops/failures/horrid decisions made in the myriad of games which call soe home. the biggest problem is that most people don't undrstand soe's commitment to, and i paraphrase because i'm too lazy to look up the actual quote, "delivering a plethora of average mmo-type games via the station pass, instead of making a great mmo".
keep that in mind and you'll never have questions about why matrix, vanguard, swg, eq, eq2, et cetera aren't the greatest games out there.
i look at it like walmart and target. my biggest irk with stores is the check out lines, by the time i'm there, i'm ready to leave the store. target has a commitment that if any line has more than like 2 people in it, they're opening new registers until the lines are all small. walmart really doesn't give a damn how long you wait to check out. they figure that their slave-labor-produced low priced items will outweigh the inconvenience of my waiting 15 minutes to pay for a couple of 12 packs of soda and a bag of chips. in my case, they're dead wrong and i go out of my way to patronize target instead.
same with soe -- they routinely ignore FAITHFUL, paying customers and do whatever the hell they want. i'll stick with the Targets of the MMO world and the MMO walmart types be damned.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
being a person that has played pretty much every mmo out there for at least several months, i can state that there is little truth in the above quoted post. there have been many posts (on just this site) going into quite a bit of detail about numerous soe-only decisions which were horrible for station-pass games.
from the very beginning and the incredibly family-unfriendly marathon-long EQ raids, up to the latest fiascos associated with station-pass games.
heck, it's to the point that a team can make a craptastic game, trick soe into buying it and soe would end up being blamed for everything wrong in the game, based upon 1 their track record and 2 the bad press they have in the gaming community based upon gamers' personal experiences with soe.
fanboys are bad. fanboys are the opposite of a gamer. it would be great if all fanboys/gamers actually had tags, so you'd know in advance how to treat posts made by the person(s) in question. but, we don't have that.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
opinions are opinions. facts are facts.
nice set of opinions in the above quote.
every idiot in the world has an opinion. not very many idiots have factual information; because, at that point, they're an informed individual.
but, as usual, it's just a generic "all you guys hate soe for no reason" post, without any factual information. why is it i rarely ever see factual information DEFENDING soe in any thread any place? yet, on the side complaining about soe, i can normally find a wealth of factual information?
fanboys. the ruination of online gaming.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
LOL here we go again with the club of SOE haters... whine whine whine... so far I haven't seen a game living up to my expectations... and I don't whine about it no one is forcing people to play the games.
Kinda sad to see people can't get over it and play something else instead of filling forums with complaints.
As far as I'm conserned most mmo games will be subject to changes or have final changes before launch which will not be to many peoples likening.
Eve online changed for the worse as an example and I hoped it would get better but it didn't and I changed to other games instead of wasting my energy on being frustrated on why ccp is not making the game better.
Instead you whine about people whining about SOE. lol
Maybe... or maybe I tired reading forum fillings which really does not lead to anything.
In your case you don't have a better arguments so I won't hold it against you.
If a complaint about a game directed to the game creators/company isn't changing the game why go in all forums complain about it?? This does ofcourse not go for only SOE and it's games but for all other games which people is flaming and crying that sucks.
I mean seriously if people really believe that filling the forums in mmorpg and like with your endless whine about how much you dislike certain games you're really have little to spend your energy on.
Try to get over it and move on. I mean if it was important for your life and I mean for your real life you could go out in the streets protesting but since this is a game it's no worth getting angry for.
I have happily moved on from games I didn't like.. Try to focus your energy on something else... nit or start drawing a picture.... maybe create your own perfect game.
For those of you who seem to think this is all some kind of irrational SOE hate fest by disguntled ex-SWG players you need to read this thread
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/156251
(Sadly, some of the links don't work now because they are part of the old FLS {pre-release} forums)
Then do a search on the current FLS boards about the Spanish Server and marketing in Spain (IIRC there was none and hence the spanish server is all but dead?)
This is not just whining about percieved past wrongs of SOE in relation to another game - this is a direct comment on SOE's performance in relation to THIS GAME.
And it is not just a "whine" based on perceived wrongs... in relation to this game there are established facts.
What upset many of the "fans" of PotBS was that this game needed good marketing and a good (retail) launch to have the best possible chance at a good start.
It didn't get that.
It may not have made a difference - but we will never know.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.