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Mythic being craven?
MrVicchio
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Now, up to this point, Mythic has been pretty upfront about who they are, what's going on and why. I salute them for this.
They have up until now, been on the up and up, and upfront about controversial decisions such as delays and the like. I've been a big fan of this. But when that video clip hit, that oen the dissappearing reappearing player..
Yeah, that stealth clip. I got more then just a bit upset with them. Everyone KNOWS what a controversial issue stealth is in WAR, and this thread is not to discuss STEALTH but the fact that Mythic is hiding. (which is punny if you think about it) Hiding the facts from the fans, from everyone. I believe they intend not only to add Stealth, but it will be "More" then what little we've seen or know about.
Why do I say this? Simply put, they have been very "No Stealth, at least as you know it" in WAR. Yet as of last week, I was 99.9% sure there were little or no invisible people shinanigans in WAR. Now not only have they OPENLY shown this to be the case, they did so at a major press event. But they erfuse to discuss this, nothings been mentioned, no word out there to alleviate the sudden "GASP!" this let slip from many a fans mouths.
That to me says that Stealth isn't just going to show up as a "30 second high energy drain" affair, but will be far more then that. Otherwise they'd have informed us something about what's going down with this. They let the fire go out, they let it subside, it's "just a short term stealth, don't worry" and then in 30-45 days we'll learn it's integral as a gameplay element. to "Balance out ranged DPS" or some crap like that.
You mark this thread, I'll even dig it back up when I'm proven correct and use it like a trout and smack all who doubt me.
(Or... they'll do the same when it proves I am panicing for no reason. I'll GLADLY take the trout for that to be true)
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I don't mean to disrespect you feelings about this issue, but I don't understand why it's necessary for Mythic to keep the fanbase 100% informed on every little thing they are trying out. In other words, I don't see this as an issue.
See how that works? Besides, saying one thing, then releasing a video showing just the opposite... is a BIG thing.
Period.
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As Im in beta I cant confirm or deny anything, but lets talk hypothetically for a sec.
Its beta, things come and go, things are tried and canceled. Just because you saw something doesnt mean its in its final form, its going in, or is set in stone.
During this beta things have been added, removed, tweaked, and then completely revamped, stealth in war could be the same way.
And this is one of the very bad things about not having official forums. Everyting is obscure, in shadows. There isn't a direct and clear communication.
Of course fanboys love not having official forums. But fanboys are not known by their good reasoning.
Well DAOC did well with out an official forums, VN turned into the official forums.
However, I agree, official forums are better than not having them for a variety of reasons.
Look on most issues, something new they are testing.. no biggie.
But don't SHOW IT at a major event and not talk about it.
THAT folks i my point, the fact that we know nothing but what's from Paris so far, which is very little.
That leads to speculation, it's that what a forum is for? Yes, yes it is.
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I'm sorry, but unless you've spent several years following the Darkfall forums, you have no clue how bad developer-feedback can be. (Personally, I believe the Darkfall forums are serving as someone's Ph.D. thesis on how much abuse people will take online, and still keep coming back for more.)
Remember, Mythic has a LOT of stuff on their plate right now, and addressing every controversy about videos, etc. has to have a low priority. The truth will be known in time. I would just relax until you hear something official.
well the speak frequently at warhammeralliance.com however, as I said, if its still in testing they cant clarify. They also may not want to clarify.
If they wanted it clear, they would have made an announcement. As they have not done so....
They did not introduce the form of stealth commonly seen throughout other MMO's.
What they added is an (as they are calling it) "Ambush" ability.
--- No massive criticals
--- Costs AP to maintain
--- Short duration
Of course we all know how "trixy" Mythic is on occasion.
I'm sure they had intentions to add such an ability in the past, but did not refer to it as "stealth" due fact that many people would see the word stealth and get the wrong impression.
Hence all of the "No Stealth" talk.
They wouldn't tell us anything anyway with an official forum since its Beta information...they only tell us things when its more finalized. Anyway try to Stay on topic please Altairzq.
I think we should sit tight and see OP about the 'stealth' it is in beta and considering they've never formally said anything means they're still toying around with it. It could very well end up on the cutting floor by the time they go gold. I don't think they lied to be honest since as another poster pointed out earlier today they never said "No Stealth Period..." just that thye "Don't Want Stealth" which I admit I misintepreted but at the same time the fact they dont like stealth in the present form of most games makes me feel a tad just a tiny tad bit more comfortable for waiting to see what happens before I damn them to the depths of hell.
BTW as to it being in the "Beta" client they used at the show...they dont exactly have time to make a special client just for the event...they've been using the Direct Beta Client so it makes sense that its in there ... though it'd of been nice if they'd of just turned off those classes atleast for the show.
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Lets be honest, when have things like "stealth" been in beta and NOT made it to release?
I'm all for saying bugs will be removed, exploits closed and what not but a mechanic like that is obviously being made part of the class and the likelihood of it being removed is, well, you guess.
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Even if there was an official forum they would still hold back things that they aren't ready to release to public yet. Just look at all the grief this stealth thing is causing. Of course they aren't going to announce it until they are sure that they want it to be a part of the game. Having official forums wouldn't change that.
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Lets be honest, when have things like "stealth" been in beta and NOT made it to release?
I'm all for saying bugs will be removed, exploits closed and what not but a mechanic like that is obviously being made part of the class and the likelihood of it being removed is, well, you guess.
Things in beta can change a lot during the final days, even for open beta. Fact is, way after live, a simple nerf and totally nullify a skill.As for stealths, its potency depends critically on implementation. A stealthed character maybe walking so slowly that it can hardly be of any use against mobile character. If you go afk and got hit by a crawling stealthed enemy blame yourself. If a stealth character is not allowed to deliver a crippling series of strikes right out of stealthed position (yes stupid WoW idea), that a stealthed guy is no more painful than a long range fire ball shooting mage, or a ranger firing from hilltop.
WAR is still in CB, long way to live. Balancing is only being tested out along with tech issues. I would not be overly alarmed at the trial and error setting now. Actually being a massive RVR based game, the stealthing skill of one enemy is hardly going to matter, unless you intend to walk into the RVR zone alone. If you go alongside a huge zerg, the single invisible stealthed enemy will serve no more than being a scout. In the DAoC days, invisible toons are only good in scaling the walls and ambushing solo/duo travellers. They are largely ineffective against the main zerg army.
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Owww poor Kickstart.... *shakes head*
Even if there was an official forum they would still hold back things that they aren't ready to release to public yet. Just look at all the grief this stealth thing is causing. Of course they aren't going to announce it until they are sure that they want it to be a part of the game. Having official forums wouldn't change that.
Yes, but then it would be clear that they are holding back things, while now you don't know. Maybe they are recording the podcast, maybe they are writing the newsletter, maybe not.Another thing is that there is not a place to make our voice be heard. Rigth now in an official forum there would be one, two or three threads about this subject and somebody would be "forced" to say something, while now it's all spread through several non official forums and our strength is thinned out. And this is why they don't want official forums.
Lets be honest, when have things like "stealth" been in beta and NOT made it to release?
I'm all for saying bugs will be removed, exploits closed and what not but a mechanic like that is obviously being made part of the class and the likelihood of it being removed is, well, you guess.
Well, right off the bat, I recall that Mages had invisibility in the WOW beta, but they couldn't get it balanced right and they took it away. It took them quite awhile to put it back again I believe, (1st expansion?)
Second, if they are experimenting with an "Ambush" ability in CB, they might not bother to tell many people about it until they figure out how they are going to implement it, or even if it will be implemented.
Think of this as an experimental period, and yes, it could be withdrawn at the last minute should it prove to not be viable.
And I can think of a lot of ways to implement this w/o making it over-powered, one simple one is to require the person to stand perfectly still, and have it burn some sort of power while its activated. Then they would have to place themselves carefully to make it work.
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uhm guys, you don't show "possibly gonna be removed testing it out abilities" to major press events like Paris.
That's my point here.
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Again, why not, Mage invisibility was clearly available in demos of WOW before it was released, along with the fact that Pallys used to be able to do terrific damage, which was also taken away just before launch.
But I never said they were taking "Ambush" away. I think right now they are trying to find the best way to balance it before they release the information to the general public.
Expect 'stealth' to be there in some form. Hey, if George Bush Sr. can say "Read my lips, no new taxes" then why can't Mythic change their mind about including some form off stealth. Its just a game, after all.
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Read my lips, WAR will have stealth
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I think that a lot of people don't care for stealth because of the way WOW handled it. Let's face it, it isn't stealth - it is utter invisibility.
To be honest, I am against stealth in WAR myself - simply because I worry that EA Mythic will make it like WOW's concept. However, if they can come up with something that actually makes sense, then I will be more than happy to give it a chance.
After playing:
DAoC
CoX
WoW
To name the three big stealth games with PVP elements as part of the game, I have come to the conclusion that allowing a class to go invisible is unacceptable. Period. Invisibility is not something that adds anything to the game. If I get killed, repeatedly by someone that "appears" suddenly and catches me off guard, I'm gonna get highly annoyed.
I don't buy the whole "short duration heavy penalty" claims, that's crap.
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However, I can still have the perspective to see... (oh and I also played an infiltrator in DAoC for a long time).
That if a large amount of people only were interested in WAR due to the promises Mythic made. They then go and buy the game.. only to find out they were lied to...
Ya to me I'd see that as an issue.
Perhaps not one to be brought up atm.. but if quite a few people waste money on a false promise.. ya I'm sure I'd see it as an issue. Especially since I don't know of any company that will give you a refund on an MMO after you open the box...
This might be why the OP is upset... dunno... but this is just how I see it...
To be honest tho.. Mythic has never lied or misinformed anyone in the past. They certainly never told anyone that ToA wouldn't affect RvR in DAoC or anything like that.. just as one example of something they never did.
OP:
I can't do anything but agree. But to be honest, a few points I would like to point out here:
- Take Paul with a pinch of salt. Come on people, get this into your heads, this guy is a hate him or love him case. We all know he exaggerates about everything and I bet we will have both stealth and pure healer arch-types in the final game. Paul is purely entertainment and don't see him as nothing else please!
- Even if stealth now IS in the game, it's the next question we have to face, which is, how much can it be exploited and how STRONG is the ability itself? If we see stealth as strong as in EQ2 for an example, we have an extremely huge issue and reason to bash the makers with our flame-bats. If we have very mild and smooth stealth that is only a VERY minimal advantage, well why bother?
I think I WILL be annoyed, but right now I have huge doubts that stealth will be as good as some specific games where you can hit, stealth, hit, stealth ... well, I just call it "peekaboo" type of gameplay cus it looks so childish.
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I don't understand posts like this - i really just don't get it.
You are upset that stealth is going into the game (and they hid it) - what is the problem?!
The game IS IN DEVELOPMENT - that translates as nothing being set in stone and you are a fool to think otherwise... Could the lack of info possibly be because they do not know for themselves yet?
This whole post and other like it is basically an uproar about the word "stealth"...
Shouldn't it be about the fact as to whether or not stealth creates a huge imbalance or ruins the game through constantly having to watch your back?
This is something that NO ONE will know until the game is released and people get to level 40 and have their character maxed out and encounter any classes that might have stealth.
That said, posts like this are just premature and a bit dumb tbh - wanna make yourself look stupid? Start a topic just like this one.