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WOW, this game is awesome.

Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060

    If this is the best you've ever played, you need to get out and play more games.

     

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  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335

    Vanguard is a very good game, had it been released in it's current state it would have done much better.

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  • MChavezMChavez Member Posts: 142

    No, this game will not close down anytime soon. There is enough of a fanbase to keep it going. Whether or not there will be anything more than one or two game updates per year (i.e. an expansion) remains to be seen.

    Currently playing: No MMOs. They all suck.

  • AriocArioc Member Posts: 299

    I'd wager since SWG is still running and has a dev team Vanguard will be around for a while too and probably continue to get new content.

    Arioc Murkwood
    Environment Artist
    Sad but true.

  • MChavezMChavez Member Posts: 142

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    If this is the best you've ever played, you need to get out and play more games.
     

    If the OP meant fantasy based MMOs, well, I'd have to agree with the OP.

    Currently playing: No MMOs. They all suck.

  • varriusvarrius Member Posts: 106

    I did mean fantasy based.  I think EVE-online is the best MMO of all time, imo.  I have three accounts in eve.  But the Vanguard diplomacy system is just awesome.  I love the crafting, too.

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384
    Originally posted by varrius


    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 



    you need to play more MMOs...or better ones

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905

    Originally posted by Enigma

    Originally posted by varrius


    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 



    you need to play more MMOs...or better ones

    Originally posted by varrius (the OP)

    I did mean fantasy based.  I think EVE-online is the best MMO of all time, imo.  I have three accounts in eve.  But the Vanguard diplomacy system is just awesome.  I love the crafting, too.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    As usual, you didn't bother to read the entire thread, the OP already acknowledged that he likes another game more.

    Just jumping on the trolling bandwagon for just about everything these days....Do you even play MMOs? Do you have anything positive to say about any of them? Everywhere I see your post its just doom and gloom about them.

    Peggle is a fine game you know. I don't believe they have forums to troll however....

     

  • unsane13unsane13 Member Posts: 160

    this game is my number two favorite mmo I have ever played after EVE. I read tons of bad stuff about it but was intrigued by it enough to drop 20 bucks on it to give it a try and have been pleasantly surprised. I have played in no particular order

    UO, Lineage, Lineage 2, WOW, Everquest, Everquest 2, SWG, Tabula Rasa, FF XI, COX/COV, LOTRO, Second Life, AO, Planetside, Maple Story, DAoC, Darkeden, Dofus, D&D Online, Dungeon Runners, Fury, Knight Online, Mabinogi(Beta), PotBS (beta), Requiem: Bloodymare(Beta), RF online and so forth.

    and yes I have no life.

     

    this is however only my opinion and I'm sure everyone knows what they say about opinions.

    "For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, 'If I live, I will kill you. If I die, You are forgiven.' Such is the rule of honour..."

  • boojiboyboojiboy Member UncommonPosts: 1,553

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    If this is the best you've ever played, you need to get out and play more games.
     
    Bah, ignore the trolling Mr. OP.

    I've played many MMORPGs and I have had this much fun since the early days of EQ1.  The populations  are on the rise, the game is much improved and there seems to be much more planned for this game.  So I very much doubt it will be shut down.

  • April-RainApril-Rain Member UncommonPosts: 316

    Ive just bought it, after 2 yrs of wow i need something new.

    Playing: FFXIV
    Future: wishing for SWG 2, World of Warcraft Classic
    Played: Most current and extinct MMO's - 18 Years in....

    Interesting Fact - I own 27 Tarantula's

  • airstrikeairstrike Member UncommonPosts: 373
    Originally posted by varrius


    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

     I guess vanguard is the only mmo you played,or you must be on some realy potent stuff,wich will probably kill you in the next few days.

  • OrphesOrphes Member UncommonPosts: 3,039

     

    Originally posted by airstrike

    Originally posted by varrius


    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

     I guess vanguard is the only mmo you played,or you must be on some realy potent stuff,wich will probably kill you in the next few days.

     

    Ok, Kyleran, Enigma, airstrike and finally terranah.



    What games is appropriate to think is fun?

    As according to you if someone is liking something you guys don't, they are "stupid".

     

    I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
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  • safwdsafwd Member Posts: 879

     

    Originally posted by Orphes


     
    Originally posted by airstrike

    Originally posted by varrius


    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

     I guess vanguard is the only mmo you played,or you must be on some realy potent stuff,wich will probably kill you in the next few days.

     

    Ok, Kyleran, Enigma and now airstrike.



    What games is appropriate to think is fun?

    As according to you if someone is liking something you guys don't, they are "stupid".

     

    Plus if they have even played Vanguard they have probably not played it since the horrible launch so they have no idea what the game is like now.

     

    Maybe they should make a Vanguard Refugees forum so these guys have somewhere to spout their anger and lack of actual information. It is working pretty good for the SWG guys.

    It is ok if you hate Vanguard, but its also ok that other dont.

  • TautologyTautology Member Posts: 188

    Originally posted by safwd


     
    Originally posted by Orphes


     
    Originally posted by airstrike

    Originally posted by varrius


    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

     I guess vanguard is the only mmo you played,or you must be on some realy potent stuff,wich will probably kill you in the next few days.

     

    Ok, Kyleran, Enigma and now airstrike.



    What games is appropriate to think is fun?

    As according to you if someone is liking something you guys don't, they are "stupid".

     

    Plus if they have even played Vanguard they have probably not played it since the horrible launch so they have no idea what the game is like now.

     

    Maybe they should make a Vanguard Refugees forum so these guys have somewhere to spout their anger and lack of actual information. It is working pretty good for the SWG guys.

    It is ok if you hate Vanguard, but its also ok that other dont.


    Good idea. 

    Even in the vanguard official forums people are stating how much Vanguard has improved.

    http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=30047

    http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=30641

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431

    My reason for leaving the game was the silly pvp. Granted its really a pve game with pvp duct taped to it as an after thought, but thats also affected the population on the pvp server. It washard to want to stick around when there are few people to kill, er I mean group with...

  • Hoobley_deletedHoobley_deleted Member Posts: 677

    Vanguard is vastly improved, there isn't a whole lot to hate about the game now, but some people will always see this game as it was at release.

     

    It's worth checking out (again).

  • Nul1Nul1 Member Posts: 24
    Originally posted by varrius

    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

    I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.



    1)It's low on endgame content.

    2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.

    3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!

    4)Hitching

    5)Character models are shit.

    6)On screen character performance is shit.

    7)Some animations are horrible.

    8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.

    9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.

    10)Font is horrible.

    11)Helmets are mostly ugly.

    12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.

    13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.

    14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.



    FYI: I've been joining the game on and off since May07. I just recently canceled my account, and waiting for GU6 at least this time.
  • Hoobley_deletedHoobley_deleted Member Posts: 677

    Originally posted by Nul1

    Originally posted by varrius


    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 
    I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.



    1)It's low on endgame content.

    2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.

    3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!

    4)Hitching

    5)Character models are shit.

    6)On screen character performance is shit.

    7)Some animations are horrible.

    8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.

    9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.

    10)Font is horrible.

    11)Helmets are mostly ugly.

    12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.

    13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.

    14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.



    FYI: I've been joining the game on and off since May07. I just recently canceled my account, and waiting for GU6 at least this time. I think almost everything you've listed here is due to be fixed or changed, isn't it?

     

    I imagine by GU6 from your last comment. :)

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Originally posted by Hoobley

    Originally posted by Nul1



    I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.



    1)It's low on endgame content.

    2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.

    3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!

    4)Hitching

    5)Character models are shit.

    6)On screen character performance is shit.

    7)Some animations are horrible.

    8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.

    9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.

    10)Font is horrible.

    11)Helmets are mostly ugly.

    12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.

    13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.

    14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.


    I think almost everything you've listed here is due to be fixed or changed, isn't it?



    I just have to comment on this, that if it's a year old game and is has this many major faults that are due to be changed. Then shouldn't we all agree that there is something seriously wrong with this game.



    I don't mean now that Vanguard wouldn't also have it's good sides, as it has also much good in it. It just would deserve a larger dedicated team to support and upgrade it, so that it could really be fixed and some time become a good game.



    As it is I don't think it can be considered good, it has its fans just because there isn't any similar and good game available.
     
  • xcryonicxxcryonicx Member Posts: 82

    this thread makes me miss my Raki Ranger. Vanguard did annoy me a lot with bugs and crappy performance, but I miss the game world and my characters for sure.

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905

     

    Originally posted by Vrika
    Originally posted by Hoobley

     

    Originally posted by Nul1



    I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.



    1)It's low on endgame content. - true BUT its designed to be a virtual world not an "endgame" driven world like WoW...however todays players can't seem to entertain themselves in a virtual world they need to be told what to do next. SOE is taking care of that unfortunately. Looks like they are going to go with the raid endgame anyway. I'm sure over the next few years they will turn this into EQ-raids 2.5

    2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.
    Sure it does, maybe not as much as you would like but diplomacy affects a few things.

    3)Some think
    crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10! There is the key phrase..."some think". Thats an opinion.


    4)Hitching -true

    5)Character models are shit. -
    opinion

    6)On screen character performance is shit. -
    opinion, I have no issues HOWEVER in the past the game had issues. Not sure what you mean by "on screen performance" anyway. Could be PC / connection related?

    7)Some animations are horrible. -
    opinion, I don't like some myself but I can say that of every MMO I have ever played

    8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests. -
    true as in any MMO

    9)Default UI is clunky and ugly. -
    opinion

    10)Font is horrible. - opinion and not very relevant either, I mean who complains about the "font" in a game?

    11)Helmets are mostly ugly. - opinion, though I tend to agree in some cases, I don't like helms in most games. WoW has some pretty horrible helmets, so what?

    12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.
    opinion

    13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit. -
    opinion

    14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming. and last but not least...opinion

    I think almost everything you've listed here is due to be fixed or changed, isn't it?

     

    I just have to comment on this, that if it's a year old game and is has this many major faults that are due to be changed. Then shouldn't we all agree that there is something seriously wrong with this game.



    I don't mean now that Vanguard wouldn't also have it's good sides, as it has also much good in it. It just would deserve a larger dedicated team to support and upgrade it, so that it could really be fixed and some time become a good game.



    As it is I don't think it can be considered good, it has its fans just because there isn't any similar and good game available.



    Thats possible but many of the points on that list are subjective based on personal taste. I think many games look and play like garbage but thats my opinion.

    So out of that 14 point list 3 maybe 4 are actually technically valid the rest are based on opinion and individual taste attempting to be passed off as fact.

  • coffeecoffee Member Posts: 2,007

    What turns me off Vanguard;

    1. Graphics are not impressive in anyway.. all looks like plasic and nothing seems to fit together, technicaly I guess they are impressive but visualy and design wise are just basic and boring.
    1. Cambat is vage.. the only way you know if you have hit an enemy or blocked etc is to look at the combat log as there is little to no indication in the combat animations.
    2. The animal races (riki or whatever) are just human models with a fox head.. where is the double knee configuration? lazy ass developers or just dont have talent to do that.

    Saying that I will try the trial when/if its released but till then Vanguard is off my MMO radar.

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  • De4th_M0nKeeDe4th_M0nKee Member Posts: 203

    Originally posted by Hoobley


    Vanguard is vastly improved, there isn't a whole lot to hate about the game now, but some people will always see this game as it was at release.
     
    It's worth checking out (again).
    Yes I will see it as it was at release, and look back in fondness in comparison to what it has been made into. It was a horrible product at release don't get me wrong! Half finished and full of bugs but with promise, if only the people running the show had stuck to the idea behind the game.

     

    The current owners of Vanguard, have a different idea about the direction the game should take. They are the owners, thats their right.

    I used to pay them to play. I stopped paying them, because that direction looked and smelled an awful lot like a sewage filled stagnant cesspool to me. That is my right.

     

     

    It's not worth checking out. (ever)

     

     

    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Give a fish a man and he will eat for a month!

  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,094

    1. If someone cares for graphics so much that it decides about what game he's playing, he should play egoshooters and not roleplaying games.

    2. I cant help people that arent impressed with Vanguards art and graphics. For me, its much more than I ever asked for. The viewing distances you can have in this game are simply amazing. And the various races have been matched beautifully, for example, the halfling houses are done exactly right.

    3. People who want visually perfect combat should play, guess what, damn egoshooters. Combat in Vanguard is simply superb; I keep wondering how I will ever be able to stand a game without these combat features. I frankly dont even have time to check the combat animations, because I have so much else to do.

    4. Sorry, but I dont care for animal races.

     

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