Holy crap! You mean businesses are actually trying to make money! I think the sky is falling!
yep, the question is, how much will this stunt actually cost them, It could cost them anywhere from $32 to over $400 from me, hope their kick back was worth it.
It's actually the events, betas, and stress tests that are a disaster. Other than having a large amount of pre order choices the actual launch is still yet to be seen or judged. This is all pre-launch events.
Let's do some math so people can see why some of us take issue with Fileplanet's deal with Funcom. Funcom gives fileplanet 50,000 keys. Funcom has 350,000 signed up beta testers still waiting their chance. Fileplanet gets a lot of track regardless of AoC or not. 50,000 on a first come, first serve basis. $8 subscription fee is minimum these people have to pay for a shot if they dig deep enough for that deal 200,000 people sign up and pay $8 for a shot of a beta key. 100,000 people sign up and pay $15 because they didn't dig for the $8 deal $1,500,000 + $1,600,000 = $3,100,000 Bandwidth cost to upload 50,000 open beta clients = $3.05 per person $152,500 http://geekswithblogs.net/mikedopp/archive/2008/01/24/bandwidth-costs-and-time-for-sneakernet.aspx Yes, I'd say it is fairly obvious the AoC fans are getting screwed over royally by Fileplanet and this open beta. They'll make millions off something that will cost them $152,500 at the most upload costs because they already have their own hardware and would be replacing/using it regardless if they had the AoC open beta or not.
No ones forcing anyone to sign up with fileplanet, only one that is forcing someone is oneself for the chance to be in the beta. so IMO you'd be screwing yourself.
it's like the lottery mail scams that are popular now a days, no one is forcing you to send a check to these people in the hopes of receiving a so called lottery amount back. yes they are scamming, but by sending that check to them you are screwing yourself by your stupidity
Thank you, Templarga, you are correct. Sorry for the mistype. I've corrected it. You have to pay FILEPLANET for a CHANCE at an open beta key. As far as the rest of your posts. I'm glad your experiences with gamespot were so wonderful. For other people, just look at different forums, the pvp beta weekend is going horrible. Again, happy YOUR experiences are going good for you.
Oh, and for the record, I consider closed beta testing for a year or more with companies a lot more of a privilege than open beta. If Funcom can have thousands of people being beta testers for them for months on in without charging them for downloading data in closed beta, why start charging now?
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
If you are too broke to pay $2.99 for a beta, then find a job.
Thats the problem...nobody should have to pay jack to test a game! There are tons of other sites you can use that don't require a paid sub to access High Speed DLs. Heck even 'surprise' 'surprise' Fileplanet can use the non-sub DLs which is still pretty damn fast!
get a job, easy as that. thats pocket change unless ur like 13 years old, even then you shouldnt be playing this game.
if you are an adult and you cant handle that then you have other issues than this game
Still don't get the point! You don't charge ppl to test a game thats absurd, unless ur game sucks and your running out of money and need more! Oh wait yeah Vanguard did that too...."We're out of money lets release early and cash in on the 220,000 purchases and then fix the game with that money and screw over our customers!"
when are you going to understand, that you are not paying funcom anything? Funcom will not see a dime of that money. You are paying fileplanet for the service of downloading the client, you are not paying to play but paying for the bandwidth cost for the download. F
How much do you think Fileplanet payed Funcom to be the online gaming site that offers the client? Fileplanet stands a good chance of making a lot of money by people subscribing to get a chance to get in, think funcom will allow them to make that money without paying them something?
You have the official wording on Funcom's website saying you have to a member of Fileplanet to sign up for the May 1st Open beta, yet when follow the link to the Fileplanet website the word switches from member to subscriber. If a fine print sticky you've a Funcom dev admitting that yes you have to pay Fileplanet if you want a CHANCE at getting an open beta key.
Actually what I thought was funny was.. the Funcom announcemtn on 4-17 specificly states that you can sign up for open beta NOW (later they added a link to the "now open for sign ups page").
Yet of course when you go to fileplanet... you can't sign up until next week.
Now I could see if it was a mistake the other way around...
But how the heck does the company making a game.. get the date wrong.. (fileplanet says it won't open until next week because funcom hasn't given them the client yet..)
I don't know about the rest but I will agree with these statements:
Originally posted by Shannia
You have 2 different beta events being advertised at the same time and people don't know where to turn for help because Gamespot is a joke with very poor customer support. You have the Gamespot garbage going on and people have to torrent for the PvP weekend event and needing 12+ hours to download and patch.
Don't use the Gamespot Torrent. The Funcom Download seems to be a far better choice.
Shannia 1 q for you are u gonna preorder or buy the game?
Great question. AmazingAvery is giving me a buddy pass for the game. As long as I like what I see from the launch version of the game from the buddy key, then yes, I'll buy it. I've been around the MMORPG arena for almost 15 years now. Now, I'm not expecting everything to be perfect but I don't expect there to be missing content or glaring bugs in newbie content either. If the release game is closer to a state of Vanguard at release instead of LoTRO at release, then chances are I wouldn't buy it. I'm not hard to please, I just don't believe in paying for "potential" either.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
EIDOS, you have single handedly set up Funcom's AoC to be one of the worst launches ever in regards to AAA MMORPGs. You have 17 different pre-order offers out there that we know of with Funcom's forum mods deleting/consolidating "help me" posts faster than Roger Clemens denying steroid allegations. You have 2 different beta events being advertised at the same time and people don't know where to turn for help because Gamespot is a joke with very poor customer support. You have no less than seven department store chains pointing their fingers back to EIDOS/Funcom because they have no clue what is going on with all the different offers. You have the Gamespot garbage going on and people have to torrent for the PvP weekend event and needing 12+ hours to download and patch. You have the official wording on Funcom's website saying you have to a member of Fileplanet to sign up for the May 1st Open beta, yet when follow the link to the Fileplanet website the word switches from member to subscriber. If a fine print sticky you've a Funcom dev admitting that yes you have to pay Fileplanet if you want a CHANCE at getting an open beta key. And above all, you have successfully done something I never thought I would say. You have made Sony's Platform Publishing look professional compared to the diasaster you got going on with this launch. The sad part is, it is AoC that will pay the price because after launch, you'll be off to the next game. Funcom will be the ones to lose money off this disaster, not you. Good job, EIDOS! Well done!
I agree with all of this. However, it all doesnt say if AoC is a good or bad game.
As a good strategist wins the battle long before it starts by good planning, so does a game company win its customers by good planning the start of the MMO. Apparently almost ALL MMo companies are bloddy amateurs in this department. This is just another tragic chapter in this never ending story how NOT to launch a MMO.
Lets hope the game is better than its "marketing".
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
EIDOS, you have single handedly set up Funcom's AoC to be one of the worst launches ever in regards to AAA MMORPGs. You have 17 different pre-order offers out there that we know of with Funcom's forum mods deleting/consolidating "help me" posts faster than Roger Clemens denying steroid allegations. You have 2 different beta events being advertised at the same time and people don't know where to turn for help because Gamespot is a joke with very poor customer support. You have no less than seven department store chains pointing their fingers back to EIDOS/Funcom because they have no clue what is going on with all the different offers. You have the Gamespot garbage going on and people have to torrent for the PvP weekend event and needing 12+ hours to download and patch. You have the official wording on Funcom's website saying you have to a member of Fileplanet to sign up for the May 1st Open beta, yet when follow the link to the Fileplanet website the word switches from member to subscriber. If a fine print sticky you've a Funcom dev admitting that yes you have to pay Fileplanet if you want a CHANCE at getting an open beta key. And above all, you have successfully done something I never thought I would say. You have made Sony's Platform Publishing look professional compared to the diasaster you got going on with this launch. The sad part is, it is AoC that will pay the price because after launch, you'll be off to the next game. Funcom will be the ones to lose money off this disaster, not you. Good job, EIDOS! Well done!
I agree with all of this. However, it all doesnt say if AoC is a good or bad game.
As a good strategist wins the battle long before it starts by good planning, so does a game company win its customers by good planning the start of the MMO. Apparently almost ALL MMo companies are bloddy amateurs in this department. This is just another tragic chapter in this never ending story how NOT to launch a MMO.
Lets hope the game is better than its "marketing".
Well, this is actually a post I can get behind.
It seems very few game companies really know how to present themselves.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
As much as I don't want tosay this, I agree.EIDOS screwed things up, on several fronts.
What's left for me, is to hope that this won't cause the failure (due to lack of subscribers) of AoC. I still plan on buying the game, even if I would rather go to FC Office and give them the money personally instead of throwing EIDOS anything.
If this ultimately leads to the demise of a potentially great game...well, that's that for EIDOS in my eyes.
Shame really...it seemed to be more or less smooth for the longest time.
The game is not even out yet... hell the NDA hasent even been lifted yet and people are already saying that the game is going to fail
So there offering different rewards for pre-ordering, big deal, most of these will be useless after several levels anyways so why are people crying over it?
If you don't like how a publisher is handling there beta testing then don't do it, wait for the game to come out and read the reviews and what other people have to say in forums before buying it...
I'm tired of these cry babies whining because certain publishers are not catering to them the way they think they should be catered to.. For beta testing no less
I always wondered why a company releasing a BETA with a level cap of 13, would still make you download the entire client. If the bandwith costs to have 50k people downloading a 10gb+ file is to much for them to handle and they have to contract a 3rd party File Hosting site to distribute the client, why not trim the client down for only that content? This would cut down on Bandwith costs not only for Eidos/Funcom but for the end user as well. Im sure there are various technical reasons as to why this cant happen, but I've always pondered that.
I can think of several Gaming file related websites that have the same if not more amount of traffic daily and yet they remain "free-of-charge."
EIDOS, you have single handedly set up Funcom's AoC to be one of the worst launches ever in regards to AAA MMORPGs. You have 17 different pre-order offers out there that we know of with Funcom's forum mods deleting/consolidating "help me" posts faster than Roger Clemens denying steroid allegations. You have 2 different beta events being advertised at the same time and people don't know where to turn for help because Gamespot is a joke with very poor customer support. You have no less than seven department store chains pointing their fingers back to EIDOS/Funcom because they have no clue what is going on with all the different offers. You have the Gamespot garbage going on and people have to torrent for the PvP weekend event and needing 12+ hours to download and patch. You have the official wording on Funcom's website saying you have to a member of Fileplanet to sign up for the May 1st Open beta, yet when follow the link to the Fileplanet website the word switches from member to subscriber. If a fine print sticky you've a Funcom dev admitting that yes you have to pay Fileplanet if you want a CHANCE at getting an open beta key. And above all, you have successfully done something I never thought I would say. You have made Sony's Platform Publishing look professional compared to the diasaster you got going on with this launch. The sad part is, it is AoC that will pay the price because after launch, you'll be off to the next game. Funcom will be the ones to lose money off this disaster, not you. Good job, EIDOS! Well done!
The OP has fogotten the 5 dollar/euro charge for the early entry, now that does go to Eidos, in the UK the pre-order system is in disarray.
The CE are £60 the standard edition is £25 yet as stated the mounts and early entry was limited to the standard edition. Although GAME has put pressure on Eidos to provide standard edition mounts etc to the CE pre-orders.
I have picked up my pre-order for £15 from GAME as they have such bad pre-order numbers that stores are discounting already (go and have a nice chat with your local manager to get a deal.)
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yep, the question is, how much will this stunt actually cost them, It could cost them anywhere from $32 to over $400 from me, hope their kick back was worth it.
It's actually the events, betas, and stress tests that are a disaster. Other than having a large amount of pre order choices the actual launch is still yet to be seen or judged. This is all pre-launch events.
it's like the lottery mail scams that are popular now a days, no one is forcing you to send a check to these people in the hopes of receiving a so called lottery amount back. yes they are scamming, but by sending that check to them you are screwing yourself by your stupidity
Thank you, Templarga, you are correct. Sorry for the mistype. I've corrected it. You have to pay FILEPLANET for a CHANCE at an open beta key. As far as the rest of your posts. I'm glad your experiences with gamespot were so wonderful. For other people, just look at different forums, the pvp beta weekend is going horrible. Again, happy YOUR experiences are going good for you.
Oh, and for the record, I consider closed beta testing for a year or more with companies a lot more of a privilege than open beta. If Funcom can have thousands of people being beta testers for them for months on in without charging them for downloading data in closed beta, why start charging now?
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
pretty sure the pvp weekend doesnt hit off for another 15 min, so how are u judging it?
Thats the problem...nobody should have to pay jack to test a game! There are tons of other sites you can use that don't require a paid sub to access High Speed DLs. Heck even 'surprise' 'surprise' Fileplanet can use the non-sub DLs which is still pretty damn fast!
get a job, easy as that. thats pocket change unless ur like 13 years old, even then you shouldnt be playing this game.if you are an adult and you cant handle that then you have other issues than this game
Still don't get the point! You don't charge ppl to test a game thats absurd, unless ur game sucks and your running out of money and need more! Oh wait yeah Vanguard did that too...."We're out of money lets release early and cash in on the 220,000 purchases and then fix the game with that money and screw over our customers!"
when are you going to understand, that you are not paying funcom anything? Funcom will not see a dime of that money. You are paying fileplanet for the service of downloading the client, you are not paying to play but paying for the bandwidth cost for the download. F
How much do you think Fileplanet payed Funcom to be the online gaming site that offers the client? Fileplanet stands a good chance of making a lot of money by people subscribing to get a chance to get in, think funcom will allow them to make that money without paying them something?Think before you post..
Actually what I thought was funny was.. the Funcom announcemtn on 4-17 specificly states that you can sign up for open beta NOW (later they added a link to the "now open for sign ups page").
Yet of course when you go to fileplanet... you can't sign up until next week.
Now I could see if it was a mistake the other way around...
But how the heck does the company making a game.. get the date wrong.. (fileplanet says it won't open until next week because funcom hasn't given them the client yet..)
I don't know about the rest but I will agree with these statements:
Don't use the Gamespot Torrent. The Funcom Download seems to be a far better choice.
http://rapidshare.com/files/108207123/aocpvp20080415.zip
Great question. AmazingAvery is giving me a buddy pass for the game. As long as I like what I see from the launch version of the game from the buddy key, then yes, I'll buy it. I've been around the MMORPG arena for almost 15 years now. Now, I'm not expecting everything to be perfect but I don't expect there to be missing content or glaring bugs in newbie content either. If the release game is closer to a state of Vanguard at release instead of LoTRO at release, then chances are I wouldn't buy it. I'm not hard to please, I just don't believe in paying for "potential" either.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
As a good strategist wins the battle long before it starts by good planning, so does a game company win its customers by good planning the start of the MMO. Apparently almost ALL MMo companies are bloddy amateurs in this department. This is just another tragic chapter in this never ending story how NOT to launch a MMO.
Lets hope the game is better than its "marketing".
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
As a good strategist wins the battle long before it starts by good planning, so does a game company win its customers by good planning the start of the MMO. Apparently almost ALL MMo companies are bloddy amateurs in this department. This is just another tragic chapter in this never ending story how NOT to launch a MMO.
Lets hope the game is better than its "marketing".
Well, this is actually a post I can get behind.
It seems very few game companies really know how to present themselves.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
As much as I don't want tosay this, I agree.EIDOS screwed things up, on several fronts.
What's left for me, is to hope that this won't cause the failure (due to lack of subscribers) of AoC. I still plan on buying the game, even if I would rather go to FC Office and give them the money personally instead of throwing EIDOS anything.
If this ultimately leads to the demise of a potentially great game...well, that's that for EIDOS in my eyes.
Shame really...it seemed to be more or less smooth for the longest time.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
The game is not even out yet... hell the NDA hasent even been lifted yet and people are already saying that the game is going to fail
So there offering different rewards for pre-ordering, big deal, most of these will be useless after several levels anyways so why are people crying over it?
If you don't like how a publisher is handling there beta testing then don't do it, wait for the game to come out and read the reviews and what other people have to say in forums before buying it...
I'm tired of these cry babies whining because certain publishers are not catering to them the way they think they should be catered to.. For beta testing no less
I always wondered why a company releasing a BETA with a level cap of 13, would still make you download the entire client. If the bandwith costs to have 50k people downloading a 10gb+ file is to much for them to handle and they have to contract a 3rd party File Hosting site to distribute the client, why not trim the client down for only that content? This would cut down on Bandwith costs not only for Eidos/Funcom but for the end user as well. Im sure there are various technical reasons as to why this cant happen, but I've always pondered that.
I can think of several Gaming file related websites that have the same if not more amount of traffic daily and yet they remain "free-of-charge."
TL;DR
The OP has fogotten the 5 dollar/euro charge for the early entry, now that does go to Eidos, in the UK the pre-order system is in disarray.
The CE are £60 the standard edition is £25 yet as stated the mounts and early entry was limited to the standard edition. Although GAME has put pressure on Eidos to provide standard edition mounts etc to the CE pre-orders.
I have picked up my pre-order for £15 from GAME as they have such bad pre-order numbers that stores are discounting already (go and have a nice chat with your local manager to get a deal.)