peaceandlove ... so you're saying that religion is there to control people through fear? well, that's a bit shallow don't you think? You know that there're 2 sides in our religion (i'll just talk about Islam), there's the 'fear' side, and the more predominant is the 'reward' side. In general, even if you don't believe in God, you DO the right thing, don't you? So why are you so angry at someone who does the right thing, whatever his beliefs, as long as he doesn't affect you! And in Islam he should NOT affect you if he's a true follower of his religion (will take time to explain).
Now you say that we die and that's it, so you believe that life has NO purpose? Isn't that a bit ... rediculous? If that's true, i would go on steal, kill, lie, cheat, betray ... etc, without any regards to consequences. Or actually ... kill myself and be done with it!
You say that we're living in the stone age because we actually believe in God? Hate to break it to you man, but if you look at the Muslim world in the 1000s era, you'll see how we were the dominant nation in science. You'll see how 'believing in God' doesn't hinder science. Read in Islam and you'll see that our prophet ordered us to RESEARCH and seek science even if it's at the end of the universe. Read about Islam before you accuse anyone believing in God of being ignorant. Because if you didn't know ... NO-ONE can write something like Quran, been proven a lot before, so won't get into an arguement about that, many tried and failed. How can man write something that can't be replicated again? So ... God said the words in Islam, not a human being. Quran is the miracle of Islam, like healing and bringing back the dead was the miracle of Jesus (with God's permission, he isn't God as people believe, another subject though). Is there a better miracle than something that can live forever without needing a proof (Quran)?
Finally ... you talk about science as if it's a religion. You know that man hasn't discovered anything really, right? He just got a drop in a sea of ocean! So, if man is so arrogant as to think he made progress ... don't know what to call someone like that really!
You say you're a Homosexual Jew? How can you be a Jew without believe in God? I wonder! (ignore that if you're sarcastic)
Edited ... corrected some mistypings!
Egyptian, 27 Former EQ2, Guild Wars player Waiting on the next decent MMO Currently playing ... nothing.
Christians once thought Rome was the center of the world too. Fanatics can come from all walks of life. These fanatics are Muslim but I'll wager a months pay that there have been Christians (and other religous groups) in history who were just a crazed as there guys are. Is it within their right to propose such a thing? Sure. Will it actually happen? Not likely.
Keltic ... So, what if Mecca was really the center of the earth? Why bash the guy or, even worse, a whole nation before researching about the truth of what has been said?
I'll research a bit on this now, and come back later with results (hopefully).
EDIT:
I did a quick measurement ... took the total area of the left side of GMT and the right, shifted the line based on the difference in area to get equal areas ... India is the center.
If i just measure it with a ruler without taking areas into consideration ... GMT or somewhere near it is the center.
As for hard proof, i'll have to dig deeper, will get back to you if i reach something.
Just a note though ... even if the guy is wrong (which i had like 50% feeling he was), shouldn't differ much on the world's view of Muslims. For example, there's a guy in USA who says that there's nothing called Global Warming, and been preaching it a bit too much that some people actually are starting to believe him. Turns out he's been affiliated with some energy government thing, watched it on an 'American' news (a few weeks ago though). So, this guy might actually hurt the people living on earth by his actions (if it's even taken seriously in the first place), should i call Americans fanatics because one of them is an idiot? (well, 2 of them, add Bush to the mix :P)
It's simple ... don't judge a whole nation based on a few's actions. Man, isn't that sentence getting old? Said it too much that i'm starting to give up, i won't change the world anyway. Plus, it won't be long before China becomes the new Russia and the whole Middle East thing will be forgotten for a while. Just look at history and you'll know what i mean. So i won't bother, seeing as our lives is short enough not to bother THAT much about who thinks of who, how, and why.
Egyptian, 27 Former EQ2, Guild Wars player Waiting on the next decent MMO Currently playing ... nothing.
I'll reply to each thing you say, BASED on our TRUE religion, not some fanatical ideas or actions ...
Originally posted by peaceandloveAnyone that follows religion is delusional. I'm not picking on muslims; all are equally crazy. I have a seperate thread worthy story about my parents church that I'll post later to further prove my point. But, I'm not impressed that muslims advanced in science back in the day. They should have; being the second oldest civilization on the planet, one would hope to think that they would. But then they lost it. Was it because of a bum living in a cave, then flyng into the clouds on his magical flying unicorn? Who knows.
Second oldest is China, third is Rome, fourth is Islam, fifth is Britain. not going to talk about Mayans ... etc, i'm just making a general point here based on who affected the world in my opinion (chronologically).
The reason why we're in the current state ... think occupation, YEARS and years of occupation, sucking the blood out of our civilization and land, what did you expect? We now need someone to guide us in everything we do, we're so used to it. Don't think for second we're happy with our current situation, just take a quick look at our daily lives, of the media, you'll see how everyone is screaming at everyone to do their part so that we advance .
I am a good productive person without religion. Do you know why? Because I'm not an animal. I follow laws and boundries because I respect them. Not because I think some magical person is going to kill me with a lightening bolt or throwing my into a pit of fire to burn until the end of time. Nope, I do it because I am civil, rational, and intelligent. I think it's funny that people are scared of what would happen to the world if everyone realized that there are no deities. These are the same people that start wars in the name of some god. The other side is fighting in the name of a god too.
So you're saying that religion starts wars? hmm, are you sure? because last i checked Hitler wasn't really going to war BECAUSE of hating the jews, everyone hates them across history (sorry, fact), but he was a crazy idiot who had the fantasy of ruling the world, he just happened to hate jews along the way.
The Mangols, did they fight for religion? or to rule the world.
Britain, did they too fight for religion?
Crusaders ... special case :P, and it wasn't for religion, it was for the riches of the Middle East, they made their soldiers delusional about fighting for a cause.
France ... was that religion too?
Stalin ... religion? (talking about his oppression)
Russia and China right now occupying their neighbors.
Finally, USA ... was going to Iraq and Afghanistan for religion, or was it for Oil?
Endless examples, and you take a few wars to generalise!
Somebody is going to be disappointed. Another thing, after reading through the many various versions of the bibles out there (because you guys don't happen to agree with what it says) I have found out that all of these deities love me. Mmmm, that makes me feel so good and I feel like I have a purpose and that I'm apart of a magical kingdom, just like Mickey Mouse. These bibles also state that gods's laws a perfect. And rightly so, he's god right? So we should stone to death rebellious children? Seekout cities where people worship something other than YOUR deity and kill them and the women and children and burn the cities to the ground. THEN in this very same book, tell me thou shall not kill, and this magical god loves all? lol. That takes some serious balls to believe all of that and be serious about it.
WHO SAID we go and kill others who don't worship our God, those words taken OUT of context from our Quran where a special situation back when non-Muslims were killing Muslims, and taking their homes driving them out. You should look at the world back then, it was a f'ing hard and cruel world in that region.
Take a look JUST after those wars ended, NO non-Muslim was even touched, as long as he leaves us in peace (logic, ha?). We're ordered to live with them in peace as long as they do in return, and as long as they leave us PREACH our religion in their land (might sound weird at first), guess that's called freedom of speach and religion. We don't go to war against a nation just because they're not Muslims, we're ordered to spread our religion, BUT, in a peaceful way.
Just for your information, we're ORDERED NOT to kill women and children, and to respect prisoners of war, and treat them BETTER than we treat ourselves. Man, READ about Islam, this is pointless!
Stone to death rebellion children? HA? the rest i've replied to.
Another thing ... yes, laws that God put in Quran ARE perfect, read them, you'll know what i mean. You can rule a nation with them and have too much perfect society. But guess even we're so stupid not to rule with them.
You'll ask me if they're so perfect, why do we have to rule with the fear of punishment? Simple ... not all humans are like us (you and i); do the right thing without fear of punishment. So what's there to stop them from ruining that perfect society? Punishment!
It's like having someone in your neighborhood stealing, beating, killing innocent people. YOU tell me what should you do with him if you were a ruler?
I can go on forever. like if this god or magical bum on the unicorn or flying spegetti monster can cure the sick and deseased, why are there people in wheelchairs? People missing limbs? Babies born already dead? Don't they deserver god's love? Why didn't they get a chance?
Hey man, first of all, we're already dead when we're born (in a sense), why should someone die at the age of 0 or at the age of 100, both ARE the same. Why should humans die in the first place, ... no answer to that from anyone! Too many things unexplained in this world, and yet you assume that there's an answer to why do people get sick?
Just think how would the world be if there was no sickness and everyone lived forever ... heaven?
Sickness and suffering is part of life, if they don't exist the world would be so different it would be pointless to live (too easy might i say?)!
[quote]Back to my parents, I love them, but they are lost. I cannot hold an intelligent conversation with them. Religion stole them from me. I'm sad but happy at the same time because they have something together. They are very active and for the first time, they are happy, so I respect that. Could have gone with trvelling the world or somethng but whatever. My point is, if somebody believes in a magical man in the clouds, then fine. I think they are out of thier minds, but fine. I never walk up to these god people and say, "do you know that you are really suffering from delusion and are being controled by fear of a magical being that you will ever see but will kill you if you don't listen to what he says and will reward you with immortality if you do? So I expect the same treatment. Don't confront me about a deity. Leave them out of the schools. Leave them out of governments. Tell your god to stop talking to George Bush, and keep that silly crap to yourself.[/b][/quote]
Why are you so angry that people believe in God? Why don't you have respect of others' beliefs? I don't care if you believe or not, so why would you care about what i believe in? Why do you want people to stop believing in God (evident from you wanting to tell them they're delusional), THAT in itself is fanatisism my friend! Maybe you're so angry because as you mentioned earlier you think that religion is the reason for war, i tried to reply to that, waiting on your reply.
Edited ...
But guess even we're so stupid not to rule with them. (added 'not')
not all humans are like us (you and i) (added 'you and i')
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Keltic ... So, what if Mecca was really the center of the earth? Why bash the guy or, even worse, a whole nation before researching about the truth of what has been said? I'll research a bit on this now, and come back later with results (hopefully).
What makes muslims so special? I don't live in the UK , muslims have no influence here. They are trying to make a point that because of their religious beliefs we should change all of the lines on longitude, latitude, timezones, and then what will we refer to the region which once was know as the Middle "EAST"? Will they look in their god book for that one too and let us know? And Mecca is which direction? Where the head points or the other end waving in the air? Is there more on this? Why should ANYbodys religion have to change the rest of the world?
Sorry, won't reply to this shit talk, you're too sarcastic and irrespectable to deserve an answer, talk like a grown up and civilized person to deserve respect!
Read the post above the one you quoted, i said it's not an urgency, and i don't think it should be done, but everyone is free to say whatever they want. Same in your country, a lot are idiots and say things that should deserve them burning over! (before you go crazy on me, burning here is just a metaphor, oh God) Same in my country, same in Mr. Jones' .. etc. Or am i wrong?
note: i added an edit to that post you quoted!
Edited, mispellings!
Egyptian, 27 Former EQ2, Guild Wars player Waiting on the next decent MMO Currently playing ... nothing.
Given that Islam has its own calendar, with its own months, and it recons the current age from a different benchmark than the nominally Christian West does, and this affects the day to day lives of most Europeans and Americans in absolutely no way at all, I don't know what Enigma and Dekron are afraid of.
Just because some guy somewhere in the Islamic world proclaims Mecca to be the center of the universe, and decrees that the meridian passing through Mecca is Zero Degrees (you doofi realize of course that the Arabs, while very Moslem indeed, gave us the concept of zero, right?) doesn't mean that anyone in Europe or the Americas is going to slavishly obey this edict and undo centuries of reckoning of longitude tomorrow.
Nor is GMT going to cease to be "zulu time" for the US military any time soon. Regardless of the protestations of some cleric in the Middle East.
Besides, we all know that Paris is the center of the universe. Napoleon decreed this sometime in the early 19th Century, and I don't recall the Congress of Vienna ever formally repealing this decree...because the rest of Europe just ignored this nonsense the instant that Napoleon abdicated. The Brits naturally ignored it entirely. So this cleric's assertion has about as much of a chance of succeeding as Napoleon's did.
This entire thread is more of the reflexive bigotry of two not very bright individuals who insist on showcasing their ignorance and base hatred on a public forum.
Besides, they're both too cowardly to do anything about the "Muslim menace", for fear that they might have to leave their mothers' basements and be out of Cheeto distribution range. (Hint guys: the PX does stock Cheetos, so you need not fear that particular hardship if you ever visit goarmy.com and enlist).
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Originally posted by SioBabble Given that Islam has its own calendar, with its own months, and it recons the current age from a different benchmark than the nominally Christian West does, and this affects the day to day lives of most Europeans and Americans in absolutely no way at all, I don't know what Enigma and Dekron are afraid of ... (to the end of the post)
Finally a mature answer (the whole post, i just cut the quote for space). Thank you.
Edit ... note: i didn't read the whole thread, just the first page, but seams Sio has seen bad posts in the middle. Won't bother going back to read them though. Enough what he said.
Egyptian, 27 Former EQ2, Guild Wars player Waiting on the next decent MMO Currently playing ... nothing.
That's the biggest joke of them all. If you really would be an educated and rational person then you wouldn't be hating on religion but you would understand where religion comes from, how it came into existence and you'd especially understand what its many merits are. But that would make you realize you're not at all smarter or more special than people you have conditioned yourself to hate. Sad, so very sad...
peaceandlove ... man, the people you're discibing ARE in fact extremists and fanatics, Christian ones though, maybe not fanatics, but extremists. Medicine is the devil? LOOOOOOL, wow, our prophet used Medicine man, he didn't claim that if he didn't take medicine God will cure him outright. We say in Arabic ... USE your brain and then ask God for help (sounds much better in Arabic). Meaning ... don't just assume God will help you if you don't try to help yourself first.
But in general ... i think you had some kind of trauma related to religion in your life. Because the way you talk about religion is a bit ... over the top. But i agree with you, i too HATE the Church System as a whole, because people make someone too great among them and start to follow him like a prophet. And by the way, in Quran there's something about Christians and other religions doing that, and God forbid us to follow someone blindly without questioning his acts, or what he says.
What you said about Israel is sad, i agree with you, and that's why most of us hate USA. I do NOT hate the US people, i HATE your government, i wish Bush and his followers would be struck down by lightning or taken out by a terrorist. BUT, and 1000000 buts ... i do NOT wish a single US citizen to be harmed (not killed, but even harmed) in the process. See my point of view?
The problem with Israel is that the Arabs there are fighting amongst themselves, i said it a million times, we will NOT move forward till we become united. We fight each others, or stand watching others getting ripped, and do nothing. In the 70s when we united to drive Israel out of Egypt, it WORKED, why not do it again, i wonder! We don't have to spill blood to achieve peace, Saddat (the 70s president here) achieved it without a single drop of blood, he drove Israel out completely after years of negotiations and talks. But who was in at our backs, our brothers, see the difference? We won't achieve anything now without becoming united again. And don't take that out of context, i don't mean war!
Egyptian, 27 Former EQ2, Guild Wars player Waiting on the next decent MMO Currently playing ... nothing.
Peaceandlove, why don't you just take a little time out and realize that you are demonstrating the same fanaticism as any fundie, be that fundie Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, or whatever for any religion you care to think of out there.
Yes, religion HAS been a catalyst for violence throughout history. Yet religion also been an inspiration for art, literatoure, and science itself. Sir Issac Newton was a very devout Christian, yet his devotion spurred his scientific curiousity and his thirst to know just exactly how the universe works.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
No where in the article does it call the Muslims "crazy". That is your opinion, which is based on all propaganda.
BTW, if you do some research, anyone who uses GMT time is "crazy" because it is fake.
1. The TRUE GMT timeline should be drawn through the Great Pyramids. (Yeah, those "crazy" Africans have it right for thousandsofyears... LOL.).
2. The only reason why GMT is drawn through Britian is because might makes right. The British were the strongest empire in recent times, and so impressed their belief system, on others. Including their personal biased idea of time.
3. Do you want to bring up "crazy" religions? It was those "crazy" Christians who changed time. There was this "crazy" Christian named Constantine. He one day decided to do away with time as it had been followed for thousands, thousands, of years. Then out of thin air, create his own idea of time. He invited all the leaders of Christianity to a meeting at Nicea. "The Council of Nicea". Then Christianity forced all other religions to follow their idea of time a-la missionaries.
I'm sorry this was bugging me and I just had to respond... The majority of the world uses a revised Julian Calendar called the Gregorian Calendar, which has nothing to do with Constantine.
4. Those Muslims at your link are indeed onto something - that current ideas of time are as flawed as someone today claiming the Earth is flat. Alas, even those Muslims are not correct because as far as I know, even Mecca is not lined up with the Great Pyramids.
5. For those of you making a joke of where the "center" of the Earth is, please do not fly any airplanes, or steer any ships! LOL. You'll likely never see land again. Find a geography teacher, and ask them to educate you on what is the center of land mass of Earth.
(Scroll down to under the 5th pic for the info about how the Pyramids are located at the true center of the Earth. )
The amount of true math, involved in the Great Pyramids is beyond astounding. Whoever made them knew the exact size of the sun, knew the Earth was round more than 2,000 years before Columbus, knew the exact size of the Earth, knew the distance from the Earth to the Sun?!!To all you EvE players.. AU what?
Not even the British, and Europeans, and Christians, trying to change time, can refute the physical evidence of the Great Pyramids. (Hopefully they will never destroy them to erase the evidense.
If you really would be an educated and rational person then you wouldn't be hating on religion but you would understand where religion comes from, how it came into existence and you'd especially understand what its many merits are.
Now it is time for me to say this to you. You do not know shit about the history of religion, especially the origins of monotheism. Because of your ignorance you continually argue the same moot point. It's you who is the ignorant buffoon who constantly bashes and insults those with a difference of opinion. You know nothing except for the little research you do on each topic posted. The sheer number of bookmarks you must have to Wikipedia must outweigh that ego of yours! Your answers are almost textbook - literally. I've read many of your posts in which your arguments are near verbatim from printed sources. You are a fake, you know nothing.
Your whole life is based upon the countering of others posts on this, or other, web sites. And, you do it by by plagiarism - no thought of yours is original.
And to SioBabble,
We fear nothing. We just tire of the followers of Islam trying to push their pathetic beliefs onto others - with or without threats. Threats not necessarily physical harm, but also threat of lawsuits because the "feelings of Muslims were hurt".
A Muslim scientist claimed he "created" a formula that determined Mecca was the center of the world. Big deal, any scientist from any country can come up with a formula that would put their country/city as the center - even at the Antarctic.
If you really would be an educated and rational person then you wouldn't be hating on religion but you would understand where religion comes from, how it came into existence and you'd especially understand what its many merits are.
Now it is time for me to say this to you.
Should I be grateful you've somehow deemed yourself too good (or afraid) to say this before? Or did you decide this topic was already so bad that it could hurt going off-topic? And really, you saying this... Is it some kind of big event? Should I alert the press?
You do not know shit about the history of religion, especially the origins of monotheism.
I beg to differ. I really do. Of course I have no absolute knowledge of anything. But compared to some (like you) I know a whole lot. Some, of course, would say this comparison isn't any kind of reference. I'm inclined to agree with them.
Because of your ignorance you continually argue the same moot point.
Calling it ignorance doesn't make it ignorance. It's not because I'm right and you are wrong that it's ignorance. It's not because you don't like me (which you of course decided using a wealth of objective information, because you're not the kind of sad little person who'd judge someone else with little or no information) that it's ignorance.
That I have to constantly have to argue the same points (yes, not one, a few) is entirely up to you. The concepts of "Don't pretend a billion people are all the same" and "religion isn't evil" really aren't hard to grasp. Tho you'd make it seem otherwise...
It's you who is the ignorant buffoon who constantly bashes and insults those with a difference of opinion.
On the contrary. There are many religious people on these forums. I'm not going to bash them because they're religious and I'm not. There are even a few more or less sensible 9/11 truthers which I don't feel like "debating". The latter alone should speak for my immense tolerance.
I'd say you'd want me to be intolerant. That way I'd be on the same level as you are and then you wouldn't be as afraid of me.
Because let's not fool ourselves. You're an intolerant, small-minded person. Of course I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. For all I know you could be a very warm and caring person.
But your forum record suggests otherwise.
Some of your threads, of which I have taken the liberty to translate:
You know nothing except for the little research you do on each topic posted.
Notice how I avoid some topics? I avoid those of which I don't know enough to post something constructive about. Consider doing the same.
The sheer number of bookmarks you must have to Wikipedia must outweigh that ego of yours!
Actually, I don't use Wikipedia for serious stuff save to find sources besides Wikipedia or to find a good way to summarize something. If you actually knew how to use Wikipedia (and of course assuming for a sec that you would ever need any sources except for your own imagination) then you wouldn't be so dismissive towards it as it is a great way to find links to papers/articles/... .
Your answers are almost textbook - literally. I've read many of your posts in which your arguments are near verbatim from printed sources. You are a fake, you know nothing.
Wait a second. If I were to quote printed sources in stead of inventing something, then how do I know nothing? That doesn't make sense. According to your logic someone with an academic degree and a lot of knowledge doesn't know anything. Again, not making any sense whatsoever.
Your whole life is based upon the countering of others posts on this, or other, web sites. And, you do it by by plagiarism
That's a baseless assumption. Since it's not your first, I suggest you make this one your last. In case you follow this advice: Congratulations on this 180° turn in your life!
no thought of yours is original.
On the contrary. I often form own opinions. Tho I rarely deem them funded enough for the public eye. Only when they're thoroughly researched I consider them ready. (theyre of course under constant scrutiny by myself)
One minor question: How do you form opinions? To the untrained eye (which I have, I'm forced to confess) it would seem you're entirely being directed by primitive fears (such as xenophobia). My optimism tells me I'm wrong in this.
But how exactly... Am I wrong? How do you form an opinion?
We fear nothing.
Except for Muslims it would seem.
We just tire of the followers of Islam trying to push their pathetic beliefs onto others- with or without threats.
So followers of Islam have pathetic beliefs. Why, that's nice...
Threats not necessarily physical harm, but also threat of lawsuits because the "feelings of Muslims were hurt".
Yea, those lawsuits would "hurt your feelings". A Muslim scientist claimed he "created" a formula that determined Mecca was the center of the world. Big deal, any scientist from any country can come up with a formula that would put their country/city as the center - even at the Antarctic.
Exactly. He's a moron.
Originally posted by peaceandlove I concur. I told him last year when he was sixteen that I didn't have to explain myself to a kid. Still don't.
I wasn't 16 last year. I wasn't 16 when I joined up. You accepted that assumption about my age as truth. Your assumption was wrong. How many other assumptions of yours are wrong?
Question: If you're too wise and too much of an ubermensch to explain yourself to kids, then what are you doing on an internet forum? Unless of course pretending to be too perfect to answer to kids makes a good excuse for not answering hard questions...
Especially to someone as unoriginal as he.
What kind of indicator is originality? None I'd think. Unless you're going to say "you're wrong because you're not original" to anyone that claims the Earth is an oblate spheroid... (the latter kinda sounds cool, doesn't it?)
Copy and paste quotes of others? Big deal.
I rarely copy-paste, as you might have noticed. No, not rarely, perhaps. Far too little for my taste. Far too little as a lot of the books I use as a reference aren't to be found online.
You see, I've agreed with myself not to be overly influenced by wishful thinking or own experiences when forming opinions. I like to rely on hard evidence whenever I can. I'm the guy of guy who says "Hey, yea, sure. But if you say there's a big giant monster on a cloud in the sky, then I'd like some evidence for that. Call me unoriginal if you want, for asking this unoriginal but needed question" I don't know if you can identify with that, but at least try.
I'd say that's a pretty sturdy outlook in life. Imagine everyone'd just make things up as they go. Then imagine being rolled into an emergency room of a hospital... "I think I'm going to forget all that textbook stuff today and just operate on feeling. For fun."
Yes, this kid has some freethinking issues.
You'll find that many people don't immediately think less of a person when he/she is young. So I'd shift to another word to be demeaning and indignant if I were you. Just to make sure your haughty message comes across. No need to thank me for this advice.
Anyways. You're the one going to biased sites (atheistempire...) to only see his own opinions reaffirmed. Whereas I seek opposite opinions to challenge my ideas. Why do you think I'm having this "discussion"?
I am not fooled by his post and replies.
If I wanted to fool you then you'd be fooled ("in the land of the blind...")
Notice that he has nothing to say but keeps trying to get information so he can google a response to look smart?
I don't think my prime objective is to look smart. The opposite is true as I'm replying to you, which really can't be considered to be smart (since it's a waste of time and all). So from that fact you can easily deduce I find being polite a lot more important than seeming smart. Polite because I bother to respond to you. Maybe it's a byproduct of spending time with children. I'm inclined to not give up on them, even if they can't seem to grasp something.
lol.
Not that I have experience, but I suggest you don't say "lol"... If you want to appear smart. And I take it you desire to appear smart as you're so afraid of making a fool of yourself that you don't want to argue with kids since there's a small possibility they might outwit you.
Just don't reply to him and he will have nothing to google and copy and paste as a reply.
You might have noticed I do ask questions. That's because I'm curious. Contrary to some I don't think I know everything...
For example when you posted that ahteistempire link. I was genuinly curious about what you meant with that link.
I could've just as easily started to discredit that site, discredit the statistics, interpret the statistics in a different way, make assumptions about what you were saying, ...
You only have to look up a few posts to see how you're wrong.
Althought I do not agree to change the time referrence, this thread underline the MAJOR issue we have with the Muslim world.
See, these guys, they want 1 thing: RESPECT. Just like about everyone else. Now their idea is presponderous since even if all Islamic countries would start using this new time, they would only be hurting themselves as the remaining of the world wouldn't have changed.
A small minority is abusing this lack of respect and fueling their power with it. All their angry screaming at the prophet Mahommet when depicted negatively, it is more because of respect then anything else. See, if I make a silly joke about Bush, the guy has no shortage of respect, and his position also command respect. But these guys with a bear and a hat...well...they don't exactly command respect.
Maybe someone could think of something to make them proud. A total lack of pride always lead to disaster.
PS: New York is the center of the World, everyone know that! :P
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
If you really would be an educated and rational person then you wouldn't be hating on religion but you would understand where religion comes from, how it came into existence and you'd especially understand what its many merits are.
Now it is time for me to say this to you. You do not know shit about the history of religion, especially the origins of monotheism. Because of your ignorance you continually argue the same moot point. It's you who is the ignorant buffoon who constantly bashes and insults those with a difference of opinion. You know nothing except for the little research you do on each topic posted. The sheer number of bookmarks you must have to Wikipedia must outweigh that ego of yours! Your answers are almost textbook - literally. I've read many of your posts in which your arguments are near verbatim from printed sources. You are a fake, you know nothing.
Your whole life is based upon the countering of others posts on this, or other, web sites. And, you do it by by plagiarism - no thought of yours is original.
And to SioBabble,
We fear nothing. We just tire of the followers of Islam trying to push their pathetic beliefs onto others - with or without threats. Threats not necessarily physical harm, but also threat of lawsuits because the "feelings of Muslims were hurt".
A Muslim scientist claimed he "created" a formula that determined Mecca was the center of the world. Big deal, any scientist from any country can come up with a formula that would put their country/city as the center - even at the Antarctic.
Good day to you both.
lol, Dekron. It's no use with Madace. He reads the first sentence and the last sentence and then goes on why you're wrong without facts to back them up.
It is kinda comical to watch his debates though. But if you really want to debate with him, it really doesn't work. You ever seen the episode of Family Guy when Peter talks about the guy debating with the Jackass (Donkey) concerning whether or not Kevin Bacon was on Footloose. The dialogue went something like this:
Man: Oh come on, it is clearly evident that Kevin Bacon was on Footloose!
Donkey: Nope. No he wasn't
Man: Yes he was! I mean, he was the main star it was like one of his first biggest movies!
Donkey: No it wasn't. It wasn't Kevin Bacon.
Man: Dude, yes it was. I bet you more than anything. I mean, it's common sense he was on Footloose! He danced throughout the entire thing!
Donkey: Nope. Not Kevin Bacon
Man: Ye....
Donkey (interrupting Man): No it wasn't no it wasn't NO IT ..... HEE HAWWW HEE HAWWWW HEE HAWWW
lol, Dekron. Its sorta like that. No point in debating with him. It's sorta like arguing with the donkey. But I do give you an A for at least trying.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Originally posted by EnigmaHe reads the first sentence and the last sentence and then goes on why you're wrong without facts to back them up.
Err... As far as I can see it I've replied to everything Dekron said. I also used a few of his threads (existing facts, those threads) to prove my point.
That kinda nullifies your argument.
You said that I don't read the whole post. Wrong, since I replied to almost all of his sentences.
I used facts to back up one of my points, so your assumption that I don't use facts is wrong. (also in this post since I use my reply to Dekrons post as a fact/reference to back up my statements)
Originally posted by Enigma Man: Oh come on, it is clearly evident that Kevin Bacon was on Footloose! Donkey: Nope. No he wasn't Man: Yes he was! I mean, he was the main star it was like one of his first biggest movies! Donkey: No it wasn't. It wasn't Kevin Bacon. Man: Dude, yes it was. I bet you more than anything. I mean, it's common sense he was on Footloose! He danced throughout the entire thing! Donkey: Nope. Not Kevin Bacon Man: Ye.... Donkey (interrupting Man): No it wasn't no it wasn't NO IT ..... HEE HAWWW HEE HAWWWW HEE HAWWW
lol, Dekron. Its sorta like that. No point in debating with him. It's sorta like arguing with the donkey. But I do give you an A for at least trying.
I know it's off-topic, but.....
Family Guy! Woo!...Family Guy is always a perfect reference when trying to make a point.
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Originally posted by Enigma Man: Oh come on, it is clearly evident that Kevin Bacon was on Footloose! Donkey: Nope. No he wasn't Man: Yes he was! I mean, he was the main star it was like one of his first biggest movies! Donkey: No it wasn't. It wasn't Kevin Bacon. Man: Dude, yes it was. I bet you more than anything. I mean, it's common sense he was on Footloose! He danced throughout the entire thing! Donkey: Nope. Not Kevin Bacon Man: Ye.... Donkey (interrupting Man): No it wasn't no it wasn't NO IT ..... HEE HAWWW HEE HAWWWW HEE HAWWW
lol, Dekron. Its sorta like that. No point in debating with him. It's sorta like arguing with the donkey. But I do give you an A for at least trying.
I know it's off-topic, but.....
Family Guy! Woo!...Family Guy is always a perfect reference when trying to make a point.
God I love Family Guy
Amen to that! If I dont get Family Guy every night, I feel like I lost a little something that day!
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Originally posted by SioBabble Enlist in the Army and demand to be shipped to Iraq today. Do it.
I've already done so, but a shoulder surgery which left me with 80% mobility in my right arm has disqualified me. Twice I attempted to enlist in the marines. Twice I was denied because of my shoulder injury. Thirty-eight times. That's how many times I dislocated my shoulder. Thirty-eight. That's the extent of my shoulder injury.
Don't claim you know me or my history. And yes, MadAce, I am intolerant. Intolerant to ignorant people such as yourself. You copy and paste. That is the extent of your knowledge. Not research, not original thoughts and surely not original thought processes.
And yes, MadAce, I am intolerant. Intolerant to ignorant people such as yourself. You copy and paste. That is the extent of your knowledge. Not research, not original thoughts and surely not original thought processes. You are pathetic and I pity your life.
I'm sorry for your shoulder injury.
It would seem your general outlook on life is one of intolerance. Also one of "I'm too lazy to read an entire post". Tho the latter could probably be sufficiently explained by a near non-existent attention span.
Shame, because otherwise you'd know how easy it was to refute your... err... "arguments".
Last but not least: Like someone once said... Don't claim you know me or my history. You claim it as you'd never judge without any knowledge. ... Or would you? Nah. That'd be sheer ignorance.
Originally posted by Enigma Man: Oh come on, it is clearly evident that Kevin Bacon was on Footloose! Donkey: Nope. No he wasn't Man: Yes he was! I mean, he was the main star it was like one of his first biggest movies! Donkey: No it wasn't. It wasn't Kevin Bacon. Man: Dude, yes it was. I bet you more than anything. I mean, it's common sense he was on Footloose! He danced throughout the entire thing! Donkey: Nope. Not Kevin Bacon Man: Ye.... Donkey (interrupting Man): No it wasn't no it wasn't NO IT ..... HEE HAWWW HEE HAWWWW HEE HAWWW
lol, Dekron. Its sorta like that. No point in debating with him. It's sorta like arguing with the donkey. But I do give you an A for at least trying.
I know it's off-topic, but.....
Family Guy! Woo!...Family Guy is always a perfect reference when trying to make a point.
God I love Family Guy
Amen to that! If I dont get Family Guy every night, I feel like I lost a little something that day!
Lets just change the name of this thread to: Madace vs Dekron/Enigma. A never-ending debate between 2 irrational/bigoted Christians and a smartass. Good drama.
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peaceandlove ... so you're saying that religion is there to control people through fear? well, that's a bit shallow don't you think? You know that there're 2 sides in our religion (i'll just talk about Islam), there's the 'fear' side, and the more predominant is the 'reward' side. In general, even if you don't believe in God, you DO the right thing, don't you? So why are you so angry at someone who does the right thing, whatever his beliefs, as long as he doesn't affect you! And in Islam he should NOT affect you if he's a true follower of his religion (will take time to explain).
Now you say that we die and that's it, so you believe that life has NO purpose? Isn't that a bit ... rediculous? If that's true, i would go on steal, kill, lie, cheat, betray ... etc, without any regards to consequences. Or actually ... kill myself and be done with it!
You say that we're living in the stone age because we actually believe in God? Hate to break it to you man, but if you look at the Muslim world in the 1000s era, you'll see how we were the dominant nation in science. You'll see how 'believing in God' doesn't hinder science. Read in Islam and you'll see that our prophet ordered us to RESEARCH and seek science even if it's at the end of the universe. Read about Islam before you accuse anyone believing in God of being ignorant. Because if you didn't know ... NO-ONE can write something like Quran, been proven a lot before, so won't get into an arguement about that, many tried and failed. How can man write something that can't be replicated again? So ... God said the words in Islam, not a human being. Quran is the miracle of Islam, like healing and bringing back the dead was the miracle of Jesus (with God's permission, he isn't God as people believe, another subject though). Is there a better miracle than something that can live forever without needing a proof (Quran)?
Finally ... you talk about science as if it's a religion. You know that man hasn't discovered anything really, right? He just got a drop in a sea of ocean! So, if man is so arrogant as to think he made progress ... don't know what to call someone like that really!
You say you're a Homosexual Jew? How can you be a Jew without believe in God? I wonder! (ignore that if you're sarcastic)
Edited ... corrected some mistypings!
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Christians once thought Rome was the center of the world too. Fanatics can come from all walks of life. These fanatics are Muslim but I'll wager a months pay that there have been Christians (and other religous groups) in history who were just a crazed as there guys are. Is it within their right to propose such a thing? Sure. Will it actually happen? Not likely.
Keltic ... So, what if Mecca was really the center of the earth? Why bash the guy or, even worse, a whole nation before researching about the truth of what has been said?
I'll research a bit on this now, and come back later with results (hopefully).
EDIT:
I did a quick measurement ... took the total area of the left side of GMT and the right, shifted the line based on the difference in area to get equal areas ... India is the center.
If i just measure it with a ruler without taking areas into consideration ... GMT or somewhere near it is the center.
As for hard proof, i'll have to dig deeper, will get back to you if i reach something.
Just a note though ... even if the guy is wrong (which i had like 50% feeling he was), shouldn't differ much on the world's view of Muslims. For example, there's a guy in USA who says that there's nothing called Global Warming, and been preaching it a bit too much that some people actually are starting to believe him. Turns out he's been affiliated with some energy government thing, watched it on an 'American' news (a few weeks ago though). So, this guy might actually hurt the people living on earth by his actions (if it's even taken seriously in the first place), should i call Americans fanatics because one of them is an idiot? (well, 2 of them, add Bush to the mix :P)
It's simple ... don't judge a whole nation based on a few's actions. Man, isn't that sentence getting old? Said it too much that i'm starting to give up, i won't change the world anyway. Plus, it won't be long before China becomes the new Russia and the whole Middle East thing will be forgotten for a while. Just look at history and you'll know what i mean. So i won't bother, seeing as our lives is short enough not to bother THAT much about who thinks of who, how, and why.
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I'll reply to each thing you say, BASED on our TRUE religion, not some fanatical ideas or actions ...
Second oldest is China, third is Rome, fourth is Islam, fifth is Britain. not going to talk about Mayans ... etc, i'm just making a general point here based on who affected the world in my opinion (chronologically).
The reason why we're in the current state ... think occupation, YEARS and years of occupation, sucking the blood out of our civilization and land, what did you expect? We now need someone to guide us in everything we do, we're so used to it. Don't think for second we're happy with our current situation, just take a quick look at our daily lives, of the media, you'll see how everyone is screaming at everyone to do their part so that we advance
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So you're saying that religion starts wars? hmm, are you sure? because last i checked Hitler wasn't really going to war BECAUSE of hating the jews, everyone hates them across history (sorry, fact), but he was a crazy idiot who had the fantasy of ruling the world, he just happened to hate jews along the way.
The Mangols, did they fight for religion? or to rule the world.
Britain, did they too fight for religion?
Crusaders ... special case :P, and it wasn't for religion, it was for the riches of the Middle East, they made their soldiers delusional about fighting for a cause.
France ... was that religion too?
Stalin ... religion? (talking about his oppression)
Russia and China right now occupying their neighbors.
Finally, USA ... was going to Iraq and Afghanistan for religion, or was it for Oil?
Endless examples, and you take a few wars to generalise!
WHO SAID we go and kill others who don't worship our God, those words taken OUT of context from our Quran where a special situation back when non-Muslims were killing Muslims, and taking their homes driving them out. You should look at the world back then, it was a f'ing hard and cruel world in that region.
Take a look JUST after those wars ended, NO non-Muslim was even touched, as long as he leaves us in peace (logic, ha?). We're ordered to live with them in peace as long as they do in return, and as long as they leave us PREACH our religion in their land (might sound weird at first), guess that's called freedom of speach and religion. We don't go to war against a nation just because they're not Muslims, we're ordered to spread our religion, BUT, in a peaceful way.
Just for your information, we're ORDERED NOT to kill women and children, and to respect prisoners of war, and treat them BETTER than we treat ourselves. Man, READ about Islam, this is pointless!
Stone to death rebellion children? HA? the rest i've replied to.
Another thing ... yes, laws that God put in Quran ARE perfect, read them, you'll know what i mean. You can rule a nation with them and have too much perfect society. But guess even we're so stupid not to rule with them.
You'll ask me if they're so perfect, why do we have to rule with the fear of punishment? Simple ... not all humans are like us (you and i); do the right thing without fear of punishment. So what's there to stop them from ruining that perfect society? Punishment!
It's like having someone in your neighborhood stealing, beating, killing innocent people. YOU tell me what should you do with him if you were a ruler?
Hey man, first of all, we're already dead when we're born (in a sense), why should someone die at the age of 0 or at the age of 100, both ARE the same. Why should humans die in the first place, ... no answer to that from anyone! Too many things unexplained in this world, and yet you assume that there's an answer to why do people get sick?
Just think how would the world be if there was no sickness and everyone lived forever ... heaven?
Sickness and suffering is part of life, if they don't exist the world would be so different it would be pointless to live (too easy might i say?)!
[quote]Back to my parents, I love them, but they are lost. I cannot hold an intelligent conversation with them. Religion stole them from me. I'm sad but happy at the same time because they have something together. They are very active and for the first time, they are happy, so I respect that. Could have gone with trvelling the world or somethng but whatever. My point is, if somebody believes in a magical man in the clouds, then fine. I think they are out of thier minds, but fine. I never walk up to these god people and say, "do you know that you are really suffering from delusion and are being controled by fear of a magical being that you will ever see but will kill you if you don't listen to what he says and will reward you with immortality if you do?
So I expect the same treatment. Don't confront me about a deity. Leave them out of the schools. Leave them out of governments. Tell your god to stop talking to George Bush, and keep that silly crap to yourself.[/b][/quote]
Why are you so angry that people believe in God? Why don't you have respect of others' beliefs? I don't care if you believe or not, so why would you care about what i believe in? Why do you want people to stop believing in God (evident from you wanting to tell them they're delusional), THAT in itself is fanatisism my friend! Maybe you're so angry because as you mentioned earlier you think that religion is the reason for war, i tried to reply to that, waiting on your reply.
Edited ...
But guess even we're so stupid not to rule with them. (added 'not')
not all humans are like us (you and i) (added 'you and i')
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Sorry, won't reply to this shit talk, you're too sarcastic and irrespectable to deserve an answer, talk like a grown up and civilized person to deserve respect!
Read the post above the one you quoted, i said it's not an urgency, and i don't think it should be done, but everyone is free to say whatever they want. Same in your country, a lot are idiots and say things that should deserve them burning over! (before you go crazy on me, burning here is just a metaphor, oh God) Same in my country, same in Mr. Jones' .. etc. Or am i wrong?
note: i added an edit to that post you quoted!
Edited, mispellings!
Egyptian, 27
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Currently playing ... nothing.
Given that Islam has its own calendar, with its own months, and it recons the current age from a different benchmark than the nominally Christian West does, and this affects the day to day lives of most Europeans and Americans in absolutely no way at all, I don't know what Enigma and Dekron are afraid of.
Just because some guy somewhere in the Islamic world proclaims Mecca to be the center of the universe, and decrees that the meridian passing through Mecca is Zero Degrees (you doofi realize of course that the Arabs, while very Moslem indeed, gave us the concept of zero, right?) doesn't mean that anyone in Europe or the Americas is going to slavishly obey this edict and undo centuries of reckoning of longitude tomorrow.
Nor is GMT going to cease to be "zulu time" for the US military any time soon. Regardless of the protestations of some cleric in the Middle East.
Besides, we all know that Paris is the center of the universe. Napoleon decreed this sometime in the early 19th Century, and I don't recall the Congress of Vienna ever formally repealing this decree...because the rest of Europe just ignored this nonsense the instant that Napoleon abdicated. The Brits naturally ignored it entirely. So this cleric's assertion has about as much of a chance of succeeding as Napoleon's did.
This entire thread is more of the reflexive bigotry of two not very bright individuals who insist on showcasing their ignorance and base hatred on a public forum.
Besides, they're both too cowardly to do anything about the "Muslim menace", for fear that they might have to leave their mothers' basements and be out of Cheeto distribution range. (Hint guys: the PX does stock Cheetos, so you need not fear that particular hardship if you ever visit goarmy.com and enlist).
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Finally a mature answer (the whole post, i just cut the quote for space). Thank you.
Edit ... note: i didn't read the whole thread, just the first page, but seams Sio has seen bad posts in the middle. Won't bother going back to read them though. Enough what he said.
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That's the biggest joke of them all. If you really would be an educated and rational person then you wouldn't be hating on religion but you would understand where religion comes from, how it came into existence and you'd especially understand what its many merits are. But that would make you realize you're not at all smarter or more special than people you have conditioned yourself to hate. Sad, so very sad...
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peaceandlove ... man, the people you're discibing ARE in fact extremists and fanatics, Christian ones though, maybe not fanatics, but extremists. Medicine is the devil? LOOOOOOL, wow, our prophet used Medicine man, he didn't claim that if he didn't take medicine God will cure him outright. We say in Arabic ... USE your brain and then ask God for help (sounds much better in Arabic). Meaning ... don't just assume God will help you if you don't try to help yourself first.
But in general ... i think you had some kind of trauma related to religion in your life. Because the way you talk about religion is a bit ... over the top. But i agree with you, i too HATE the Church System as a whole, because people make someone too great among them and start to follow him like a prophet. And by the way, in Quran there's something about Christians and other religions doing that, and God forbid us to follow someone blindly without questioning his acts, or what he says.
What you said about Israel is sad, i agree with you, and that's why most of us hate USA. I do NOT hate the US people, i HATE your government, i wish Bush and his followers would be struck down by lightning or taken out by a terrorist. BUT, and 1000000 buts ... i do NOT wish a single US citizen to be harmed (not killed, but even harmed) in the process. See my point of view?
The problem with Israel is that the Arabs there are fighting amongst themselves, i said it a million times, we will NOT move forward till we become united. We fight each others, or stand watching others getting ripped, and do nothing. In the 70s when we united to drive Israel out of Egypt, it WORKED, why not do it again, i wonder! We don't have to spill blood to achieve peace, Saddat (the 70s president here) achieved it without a single drop of blood, he drove Israel out completely after years of negotiations and talks. But who was in at our backs, our brothers, see the difference? We won't achieve anything now without becoming united again. And don't take that out of context, i don't mean war!
Egyptian, 27
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Peaceandlove, why don't you just take a little time out and realize that you are demonstrating the same fanaticism as any fundie, be that fundie Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, or whatever for any religion you care to think of out there.
Yes, religion HAS been a catalyst for violence throughout history. Yet religion also been an inspiration for art, literatoure, and science itself. Sir Issac Newton was a very devout Christian, yet his devotion spurred his scientific curiousity and his thirst to know just exactly how the universe works.
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Enough to make you change your mind?
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BTW, if you do some research, anyone who uses GMT time is "crazy" because it is fake.
1. The TRUE GMT timeline should be drawn through the Great Pyramids. (Yeah, those "crazy" Africans have it right for thousands of years... LOL.).
2. The only reason why GMT is drawn through Britian is because might makes right. The British were the strongest empire in recent times, and so impressed their belief system, on others. Including their personal biased idea of time.
3. Do you want to bring up "crazy" religions? It was those "crazy" Christians who changed time. There was this "crazy" Christian named Constantine. He one day decided to do away with time as it had been followed for thousands, thousands, of years. Then out of thin air, create his own idea of time. He invited all the leaders of Christianity to a meeting at Nicea. "The Council of Nicea". Then Christianity forced all other religions to follow their idea of time a-la missionaries.
I'm sorry this was bugging me and I just had to respond... The majority of the world uses a revised Julian Calendar called the Gregorian Calendar, which has nothing to do with Constantine.
4. Those Muslims at your link are indeed onto something - that current ideas of time are as flawed as someone today claiming the Earth is flat. Alas, even those Muslims are not correct because as far as I know, even Mecca is not lined up with the Great Pyramids.
5. For those of you making a joke of where the "center" of the Earth is, please do not fly any airplanes, or steer any ships! LOL. You'll likely never see land again. Find a geography teacher, and ask them to educate you on what is the center of land mass of Earth.
Some of many source links:
http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html
(Scroll down to under the 5th pic for the info about how the Pyramids are located at the true center of the Earth. )
The amount of true math, involved in the Great Pyramids is beyond astounding. Whoever made them knew the exact size of the sun, knew the Earth was round more than 2,000 years before Columbus, knew the exact size of the Earth, knew the distance from the Earth to the Sun?!! To all you EvE players.. AU what?
Not even the British, and Europeans, and Christians, trying to change time, can refute the physical evidence of the Great Pyramids. (Hopefully they will never destroy them to erase the evidense.
(For more read all books by Zecharia Sitchen )
Until then what? What? You just going to keep behaving like an irrational madman with no regard for scientific truth? Dude...
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What's your point? I'm assuming here you have one.
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Your whole life is based upon the countering of others posts on this, or other, web sites. And, you do it by by plagiarism - no thought of yours is original.
And to SioBabble,
We fear nothing. We just tire of the followers of Islam trying to push their pathetic beliefs onto others - with or without threats. Threats not necessarily physical harm, but also threat of lawsuits because the "feelings of Muslims were hurt".
A Muslim scientist claimed he "created" a formula that determined Mecca was the center of the world. Big deal, any scientist from any country can come up with a formula that would put their country/city as the center - even at the Antarctic.
Good day to you both.
Now it is time for me to say this to you.Should I be grateful you've somehow deemed yourself too good (or afraid) to say this before? Or did you decide this topic was already so bad that it could hurt going off-topic? And really, you saying this... Is it some kind of big event? Should I alert the press?
You do not know shit about the history of religion, especially the origins of monotheism.
I beg to differ. I really do. Of course I have no absolute knowledge of anything. But compared to some (like you) I know a whole lot. Some, of course, would say this comparison isn't any kind of reference. I'm inclined to agree with them.
Because of your ignorance you continually argue the same moot point.
Calling it ignorance doesn't make it ignorance. It's not because I'm right and you are wrong that it's ignorance. It's not because you don't like me (which you of course decided using a wealth of objective information, because you're not the kind of sad little person who'd judge someone else with little or no information) that it's ignorance.
That I have to constantly have to argue the same points (yes, not one, a few) is entirely up to you. The concepts of "Don't pretend a billion people are all the same" and "religion isn't evil" really aren't hard to grasp. Tho you'd make it seem otherwise...
It's you who is the ignorant buffoon who constantly bashes and insults those with a difference of opinion.
On the contrary. There are many religious people on these forums. I'm not going to bash them because they're religious and I'm not. There are even a few more or less sensible 9/11 truthers which I don't feel like "debating". The latter alone should speak for my immense tolerance.
I'd say you'd want me to be intolerant. That way I'd be on the same level as you are and then you wouldn't be as afraid of me.
Because let's not fool ourselves. You're an intolerant, small-minded person. Of course I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. For all I know you could be a very warm and caring person.
But your forum record suggests otherwise.
Some of your threads, of which I have taken the liberty to translate:
Muslims (yes, all of them, since they're all the same) want to force upon us a different timescale.
I hate Walmart.
Miss USA contestants are dumb.
A group of Iraqi refugees is bound to contain terrorists.
Doesn't seem very tolerant to me...
You know nothing except for the little research you do on each topic posted.
Notice how I avoid some topics? I avoid those of which I don't know enough to post something constructive about. Consider doing the same.
The sheer number of bookmarks you must have to Wikipedia must outweigh that ego of yours!
Actually, I don't use Wikipedia for serious stuff save to find sources besides Wikipedia or to find a good way to summarize something. If you actually knew how to use Wikipedia (and of course assuming for a sec that you would ever need any sources except for your own imagination) then you wouldn't be so dismissive towards it as it is a great way to find links to papers/articles/... .
Your answers are almost textbook - literally. I've read many of your posts in which your arguments are near verbatim from printed sources. You are a fake, you know nothing.
Wait a second. If I were to quote printed sources in stead of inventing something, then how do I know nothing? That doesn't make sense. According to your logic someone with an academic degree and a lot of knowledge doesn't know anything. Again, not making any sense whatsoever.
Your whole life is based upon the countering of others posts on this, or other, web sites. And, you do it by by plagiarism
That's a baseless assumption. Since it's not your first, I suggest you make this one your last. In case you follow this advice: Congratulations on this 180° turn in your life!
no thought of yours is original.
On the contrary. I often form own opinions. Tho I rarely deem them funded enough for the public eye. Only when they're thoroughly researched I consider them ready. (theyre of course under constant scrutiny by myself)
One minor question: How do you form opinions? To the untrained eye (which I have, I'm forced to confess) it would seem you're entirely being directed by primitive fears (such as xenophobia). My optimism tells me I'm wrong in this.
But how exactly... Am I wrong? How do you form an opinion?
We fear nothing.
Except for Muslims it would seem.
We just tire of the followers of Islam trying to push their pathetic beliefs onto others- with or without threats.
So followers of Islam have pathetic beliefs. Why, that's nice...
Threats not necessarily physical harm, but also threat of lawsuits because the "feelings of Muslims were hurt".
Yea, those lawsuits would "hurt your feelings".
A Muslim scientist claimed he "created" a formula that determined Mecca was the center of the world. Big deal, any scientist from any country can come up with a formula that would put their country/city as the center - even at the Antarctic.
Exactly. He's a moron.
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Althought I do not agree to change the time referrence, this thread underline the MAJOR issue we have with the Muslim world.
See, these guys, they want 1 thing: RESPECT. Just like about everyone else. Now their idea is presponderous since even if all Islamic countries would start using this new time, they would only be hurting themselves as the remaining of the world wouldn't have changed.
A small minority is abusing this lack of respect and fueling their power with it. All their angry screaming at the prophet Mahommet when depicted negatively, it is more because of respect then anything else. See, if I make a silly joke about Bush, the guy has no shortage of respect, and his position also command respect. But these guys with a bear and a hat...well...they don't exactly command respect.
Maybe someone could think of something to make them proud. A total lack of pride always lead to disaster.
PS: New York is the center of the World, everyone know that! :P
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Your whole life is based upon the countering of others posts on this, or other, web sites. And, you do it by by plagiarism - no thought of yours is original.
And to SioBabble,
We fear nothing. We just tire of the followers of Islam trying to push their pathetic beliefs onto others - with or without threats. Threats not necessarily physical harm, but also threat of lawsuits because the "feelings of Muslims were hurt".
A Muslim scientist claimed he "created" a formula that determined Mecca was the center of the world. Big deal, any scientist from any country can come up with a formula that would put their country/city as the center - even at the Antarctic.
Good day to you both.
lol, Dekron. It's no use with Madace. He reads the first sentence and the last sentence and then goes on why you're wrong without facts to back them up.It is kinda comical to watch his debates though. But if you really want to debate with him, it really doesn't work. You ever seen the episode of Family Guy when Peter talks about the guy debating with the Jackass (Donkey) concerning whether or not Kevin Bacon was on Footloose. The dialogue went something like this:
Man: Oh come on, it is clearly evident that Kevin Bacon was on Footloose!
Donkey: Nope. No he wasn't
Man: Yes he was! I mean, he was the main star it was like one of his first biggest movies!
Donkey: No it wasn't. It wasn't Kevin Bacon.
Man: Dude, yes it was. I bet you more than anything. I mean, it's common sense he was on Footloose! He danced throughout the entire thing!
Donkey: Nope. Not Kevin Bacon
Man: Ye....
Donkey (interrupting Man): No it wasn't no it wasn't NO IT ..... HEE HAWWW HEE HAWWWW HEE HAWWW
lol, Dekron. Its sorta like that. No point in debating with him. It's sorta like arguing with the donkey. But I do give you an A for at least trying.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
That kinda nullifies your argument.
You said that I don't read the whole post. Wrong, since I replied to almost all of his sentences.
I used facts to back up one of my points, so your assumption that I don't use facts is wrong. (also in this post since I use my reply to Dekrons post as a fact/reference to back up my statements)
I can't make it any more clear that you're wrong.
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I know it's off-topic, but.....
Family Guy! Woo!...Family Guy is always a perfect reference when trying to make a point.
God I love Family Guy
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I know it's off-topic, but.....
Family Guy! Woo!...Family Guy is always a perfect reference when trying to make a point.
God I love Family Guy
Amen to that! If I dont get Family Guy every night, I feel like I lost a little something that day!
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I've already done so, but a shoulder surgery which left me with 80% mobility in my right arm has disqualified me. Twice I attempted to enlist in the marines. Twice I was denied because of my shoulder injury. Thirty-eight times. That's how many times I dislocated my shoulder. Thirty-eight. That's the extent of my shoulder injury.
Don't claim you know me or my history. And yes, MadAce, I am intolerant. Intolerant to ignorant people such as yourself. You copy and paste. That is the extent of your knowledge. Not research, not original thoughts and surely not original thought processes.
You are pathetic and I pity your life.
It would seem your general outlook on life is one of intolerance. Also one of "I'm too lazy to read an entire post". Tho the latter could probably be sufficiently explained by a near non-existent attention span.
Shame, because otherwise you'd know how easy it was to refute your... err... "arguments".
Last but not least: Like someone once said... Don't claim you know me or my history. You claim it as you'd never judge without any knowledge. ... Or would you? Nah. That'd be sheer ignorance.
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I know it's off-topic, but.....
Family Guy! Woo!...Family Guy is always a perfect reference when trying to make a point.
God I love Family Guy
Amen to that! If I dont get Family Guy every night, I feel like I lost a little something that day!
Family Guy and Robot Chicken.
Lets just change the name of this thread to: Madace vs Dekron/Enigma. A never-ending debate between 2 irrational/bigoted Christians and a smartass. Good drama.
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