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ow wait,,u cant
Only those claiming they have something tangible are required to prove it.
Lets take another example. You tell me you have an invisible airplane. I dont have to prove the invisible airplane doesnt exist - you are the one that has to convince me it does. If you cant, or wont, it is reasonable to claim BS.
LOL says who ? Is that like a law of nature ?
It's a law of commen sense. Something that most who still folow DF seem to be heavily lacking.
Its not a law of commen sense. You have to prove it doesnt exist just as much as you want us to prove it does exist. Plus we have screenshot's, Video's, Developer blogs, Developers doing Interviews but that is not proof enough for you but you cant come up with one thing that proves it does not exist.Perfect example is God. I dont have to prove God exists for people to believe he is real.
You need to learn commen sense before posting but I have already told you that.
Sooner or Later
um you prove that DF is vaporwareow wait,,u cant
Only those claiming they have something tangible are required to prove it.
Lets take another example. You tell me you have an invisible airplane. I dont have to prove the invisible airplane doesnt exist - you are the one that has to convince me it does. If you cant, or wont, it is reasonable to claim BS.
LOL says who ? Is that like a law of nature ?
Lets take an example. You tell me you are making a game. I say, cool, can I play it ? You say, no you have to wait for it to finish. Then you can try if for free. The thing you are not saying then is OMG, it is vaporware or BS. The only one who has that right is the investors - and they are still paying the bills.
Says folks using basic reason and logical thought?
OK, lets use your example. 2 years go by, and I start taking signups for beta on my website! 6 months later I remove it. I let you know the whole time that beta is around the corner...and continue that for another year and a half. Then I announce a clan beta will begin soon! Even taking personal info on a few guilds that have been approved for the clan beta. But the clan beta never starts. 2 years later I announce a "fully functional and stable" beta build is complete! (nevermind that I have been suggesting I had a suitable beta build for at least several years) Nothing significant happens for about another year and a half...and here we are.
So, what do you think of my game? It has the most impressive feature list, promises the biggest virtual world ever, gameplay never before seen. So good it will sell itself. Can you play it now, under NDA? No...we are like...looking for a publisher, or something. But dont worry, we have also created the most sophisticated AI testing bots ever seen. Pros are testing it, we dont want any public beta testers to break NDA and sell our awesome secrets to the competition. Besides, I have investors. No investor has ever lost money on a game project, so you know I am legitimate and am not talking crap. Really. Now, I have to go work on my invisible plane.
We would give troll a link to beta and they would scream vaporware.
They would be playing the game and yet they would still scream about it never coming out in general chat.
Let us waste our time on this game, don't waste yours if you really think this game will never see the light.
No one has to prove anything. MMORPG.com has a set of listing criteria. If a developers project satisfies that criteria it is listed if it does not it won't be. If you think DFO may not satisfy that criteria PM MMORPG staff. listings are not decided by petition and I suspect never will be.
Oh wait this entire thread is flame bait and nothing to do with getting DFO de-listed . You gottta laugh the amount of energy people waste to get a rise
GG
Than maybe that should be changed? Change is always good.
Sure, I'd like to see them broaden there mandate. A couple of things they have reported in news that won't be getting listings looked interesting to me.
I think there needs to be some kind of quality control as to what gets listed and supported here... I mean you have games like Atriarch for example that is never going to see the light of day.. What's the point of it being here? It's not like people can discuss a game that they will eventually get to play.....
They could have those type of games "listed". But there shouldn't be any kind of forums or reporting on tem unless they enter a phase of development where it's really clear that they are coming out..
Darkfall has yet to even begin to approach a phase like that after 7 years.
This is increadible...
why the f**k do people come in here if they so passionately hate the game?
hey i got an idea, lets wipe out all christians on the planet! They say there is a god, and in the past they have committed genocide over this god making humanity look bad, and all they have to show that god exists is a book and a handful of unverified miracles!
This is what i see in this thread...
(i by no means am posting this do degrade or pay out christianity. I am using sarcasm.)
If you dont think a handful of videos, countless pictures and Dev journals are enough, not to mention a reputable staff member amonst their ranks, i don't know what will convince you. DONT play the "DF has been in development for 7-9 years" card because Darkfall got taken over from RazorWax by Aventurine. They then went and overhauled EVERYTHING! A FRESH START! so, that makes development time only really about 4 YEARS!!! F**k me if expect a small time company to produce a REVOLUTIONARY MMO in the space of 4 years. I mean seriously, thats roughly the same a AoC, HOWEVER, AoC have decided to rush things and are spewing out and unfinished product.
MMO's need to be rid of deadlines. The one thing that causes all these cry's of "Vapor Ware" is the fact that DF has NO deadline and a well capable of funding themselves.
Just throwing my opinion in here:
This game isn't going to come out, and it is widely believed that it isn't. Mention Darkfall anywhere else, and you will get the response of "vaporware". This would be because of how long this game has taken to develop- so far. Even if they release the game today or ten years from now, its just going to die at this point due to age so the disappointment will remain and the game will vanish just the same.
There was a beta announced in 2003? Did anybody get in, and have proof of that? If not, I'm willing to say that the OP might have been on to something when they were talking about this being a scam or study. Given enough money I imagine I could make it seem like I was developing an MMO too.
Why am I here? Because of all the comments about Darkfall being vaporware. I was curious to look in here, and I am honestly surprised people think this will come out. But hey, I don't suppose there's any harm leaving the forums up although it isn't fair to games like Rappelz when Darkfall is the one with an easily accessed forum.
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proof please : ) If its has everythig promised or close too and it snot lag infested it will killa ny mmo out there in gameplay
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I provided proof. A lot of people have provided proof.
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*sigh*
i thought this ended last night...
the AoC fanbois don't shut up do they?...
Lets sort out the fact:
1) the current version of DarkFall has only been in development for about 4-5 years
(if some bigger company came and took over funcom and decided to keep the concepts and throw out any work done on it, would you count dev time from the very beginning or from the take over?)
2) the beta that almost happened was just before the take over (i think). It may be why beta never went ahead.
3) lag will probably only be determined by your computer and internet speed. DF is going to be using Server Cluster Technology. Aventurine have admitted themselves that this is unproven technology, and if it works, it would revolutionise server setups.
4) the reason for not much game content filtering out to the public because DF (as stated before many times) does NOT have a PR guy/team. A small group of programmers probably have enough on their hands creating a revolutionising mmo than to worry about feeding the public.
5) there is enought proof that DF office exists, weather you AoC fanbios bent on converting DF fans will aknowledge it or not.
6) DF devs want exploring the game to be fun. by releasing a whole heap of info before launch, they would take away the fun of exploring since you already know that some place does this and that place holds this etc...
7) Throw more questions at me... if you can. (sensible ones...)
If you want a discussion on the matter of Aventurine history and beta here and beta there be my guest, but you Sir dont have a clue. Another nosayer that failed.=)
I'm not going to play AoC. I am Lamaria on their official forums, so you can see that I gave up on it sometime ago, and was awfully late to the info-boat on it. For that matter I am not going to play any MMO right now, nor do I see myself doing so anytime in the near future. So you can put the idea that I am some sort of "fanboi" in its proper place.
The evidence I provided was the amount of time Darkfall has spent in development according to its own followers. I don't know of any games that have spent that amount of time in development, being published and being successful.
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
ok your not a fanboi. i apologize.
I still do not retract my previous statement however because i believe it applies to alot of DF naysayers here (not you Gazenthia)
I dont know what other DF fans have been saying, but Darkfall started around 2000-2001 as the company 'RazorWax' but got taken over around 2003-2004 by a company who had previously done military simulations for some country, called Aventurine. When that happened, a whole engine overhaul happened and most artwork was redone (3d models, textures etc).
Since then Aventurine has been copping a whole heap of shit from what i believe are threatened Game developers and their fans. lets face it, If darkfall has all the things it promises, it will be sucessfull.
First things first, your post was unnecessarily nasty and hostile. Absolutely no need for the tone of your post, and clearly you do not want a discussion about the game. Its clear you skimmed my post, saw red, and just went all ARHUAHAHGGGGGGHHHH because the response does not fit as a reply to what I said.
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
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Why would anyone create such a silly petition?
This should probably end the thread.
While I have no doubts that DF will never release....why on earth would I care if it has a forum here? Frankly, as long as its MMO related, I see no issue either. Besides, removing it would also remove my daily "attempt to get these guys to think instead of rant" spree I enjoy. I'm not above admitting it, I like debate. What can I say?
f**k this... i was typing out responses and i accidentally pressed refresh... lost about 10 minutes of typing.
Ill post later with responses once i get half assed enough again.
btw, where is the topic starter? Kairarr ?
so he/she just starts a topic and leaves, not giving any further input to justify any questions raised.
Please be so brave enough and post this on the official DF forums. This is a cowardly attack on DF. The topic starter, most probably a AoC fanboi, posts an attack on a forum where not very many DF supporters lurk, and where a whole heap of DF crittics lurk, and tries to claim victory by rallying support.
I'm quite new to here but i suggest if there are any mods bothering to read this, BAN some of the AoC fanbois from the DarkFall forums here (if possible)! That would settle things, and you will know if someone a biggoted idiot if they create alts just to diss DF.
im not finished here though.