Dargnon, that's like 30 people... That's exactly my point. 30 people in Rustess, 30 in Mos Eisley... Where are all the other people? I found a total of 3 people on all the planets that weren't in Rustess or Mos Eisley on Bloodfin last week, I found MAYBE 70 people total. That was on a Friday night, CST. Thank you for posting screenshots but sadly it only confirms how low the populations are.
Doing instances, collections...
you know there are like 100 various collections and to do them you have to wander across all of the planets, not stain in Resty or Eisley.
And each instance is for 8 ppl. Sometimes there are so many ppl doing them that you cant get in as it says "all instances of this dungeon are currently in use". At friday night i would guess there are at least 40 more ppl in instences at any time. Add some pilots that are doing their stuff in space, PvPing or trying to get gunships, add dozens of ppl doing collections on all of the planets... few hundred ppl online is imho OK as this game is only starting to attract more and more players.
Can someone who uses the term "cookie cutter instance" tell me exactly what that means to you? I get the impression that you are saying each instance is the same except for the skins on the NPC's. For example the new Exar Kun instance requires the group to adopt many different tactics thoughout the instance to complete it. You can't just DPS everything and hope to have a chance to finish it.
You know what they mean. When people say cookie cutter mmo.'s. ..Its the same here. If its PVE then its the same every time. If it were pvp and they add atmosheric flight..i mean the real deal..and pilotable AT-AT's that dont look retarded...thats something that is NOT cookie cutter. Thats something that is starwars.
No, that would be Battlefront which is cookie cutter. Were playing RPG not FPS.
The approval for NGE had nothing to do with LA, it was one guy with the idea of NGE and they had a completely different team work on it, the current dev team at the time had no clue about it, hence why patch notes were saying Squad leader will be fixed next patch, etc. You know professions that were still around.
The story was posted on here by that dev, I think, or one of the staff at this site.
Looks like I shall be subscribing again. I still don't have the money to commit to an rpg, *shakes fist at SOE for adding content! Hasn't SOE heard that they are dying? LOL.
Hopefully it is what people wanted, and a completely open pvp area like restuss.
Looks like I shall be subscribing again. I still don't have the money to commit to an rpg, *shakes fist at SOE for adding content! Hasn't SOE heard that they are dying? LOL. Hopefully it is what people wanted, and a completely open pvp area like restuss.
lol sorry obraik, the fact that all this was mentioned at a summit pretty much means it'll never make it into the game. Ranger revamp, player controlled capital ships.... honestly, don't get your hopes up.
QFE, summits are just a bunch of talk. Last year it was the "new" and "cool" "iconic" Animations for Jedi, and other professions. that never happened.
Looks like I shall be subscribing again. I still don't have the money to commit to an rpg, *shakes fist at SOE for adding content! Hasn't SOE heard that they are dying? LOL. Hopefully it is what people wanted, and a completely open pvp area like restuss.
Open PvP with At-Ats and Speeders? Give me a break. There isn't even atmosphereric flight... Adding it would make the game lag beyond playability...
Isn't going to happen. Don't be suckered in by the fanbois. From a technical standpoint these guys can't pull it off and make it worth your time.
Hoth probably will come to the game - don't be dismayed by haters as most havn't played the game in 3 years.
I played a week ago Sam. Where are those screenshots showing us healthy server populations? Still waiting on those...
Hoth isn't coming.
Bria, Bloodfin and Chimaera are known for high populations. 2-3 days old screens from chimaera, just random PvP and random event with GM in Eisley, this is how Chimaera looks every day (except for the giants lol):
... you call that high populations? I laughed when I read this, and saw those screenshots. Each server that has high population probably just had the max population number decreased, so the servers could handle the combat system. This in turn would make it seem an illusion, and that "high population" is practically nothing.
Isn't chapter 11 supposed to be done sometime in 2013?
That's impossible. The world ends in 2012.
Seriously, I remember when they promised Hoth back in 2004 at the first fan fest. Glad they finally got around to it.
This is the first time they've ever mentioned Hoth being added.
No, it's not. It was mentioned they planned to add Hoth as a big pvp planet with player controlled vehicles back at the very first fan fest in June 2004. I was at the fan fest that's how I know. There was about a thousand other things promised at that fan fest that never saw the light of day. That post you linked is no different. It's just some guy posting what was said at a summit.
Dargnon, that's like 30 people... That's exactly my point. 30 people in Rustess, 30 in Mos Eisley... Where are all the other people? I found a total of 3 people on all the planets that weren't in Rustess or Mos Eisley on Bloodfin last week, I found MAYBE 70 people total. That was on a Friday night, CST. Thank you for posting screenshots but sadly it only confirms how low the populations are.
Doing instances, collections...
you know there are like 100 various collections and to do them you have to wander across all of the planets, not stain in Resty or Eisley.
And each instance is for 8 ppl. Sometimes there are so many ppl doing them that you cant get in as it says "all instances of this dungeon are currently in use". At friday night i would guess there are at least 40 more ppl in instences at any time. Add some pilots that are doing their stuff in space, PvPing or trying to get gunships, add dozens of ppl doing collections on all of the planets... few hundred ppl online is imho OK as this game is only starting to attract more and more players.
There are really messages saying that all instances of this dungeon are in use? Isn't that a clue to how sad the state of the game is right now?
Think about it. If the game starts to attract these "mysterious" players, do you think SOE is going to put up more servers to host these instances? I don't think they would make enough money to do that, unless there was a HUGE influx of players. Now add this in with the initial lag of adding many additional players, and how many people would leave from that. Seems to me they would be back at square one again, if not a step back. Ahh well ... just my opinion of course.
I don't mean to single you out, but your posts are just confirming what I have thought all along, and many other people. A slow death is STILL happening.
EDIT: Also just want to mention, if you are having fun playing the game by all means continue, and more power to you, but just don't expect much in terms of more players, more content, etc any time soon.
Looks like I shall be subscribing again. I still don't have the money to commit to an rpg, *shakes fist at SOE for adding content! Hasn't SOE heard that they are dying? LOL. Hopefully it is what people wanted, and a completely open pvp area like restuss.
Open PvP with At-Ats and Speeders? Give me a break. There isn't even atmosphereric flight... Adding it would make the game lag beyond playability...
Isn't going to happen. Don't be suckered in by the fanbois. From a technical standpoint these guys can't pull it off and make it worth your time.
Who knows, im not going to knock it before I try it. Better to appear wise and silent then open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Hoth probably will come to the game - don't be dismayed by haters as most havn't played the game in 3 years.
I played a week ago Sam. Where are those screenshots showing us healthy server populations? Still waiting on those...
Hoth isn't coming.
Bria, Bloodfin and Chimaera are known for high populations. 2-3 days old screens from chimaera, just random PvP and random event with GM in Eisley, this is how Chimaera looks every day (except for the giants lol):
... you call that high populations? I laughed when I read this, and saw those screenshots. Each server that has high population probably just had the max population number decreased, so the servers could handle the combat system. This in turn would make it seem an illusion, and that "high population" is practically nothing.
Iam calling that random players at random time. Not high population.
I played a week ago Sam. Where are those screenshots showing us healthy server populations? Still waiting on those...
Hoth isn't coming.
some guy posts the demanded screenies..below
Bria, Bloodfin and Chimaera are known for high populations. 2-3 days old screens from chimaera, just random PvP and random event with GM in Eisley, this is how Chimaera looks every day (except for the giants lol):
then comes the rationalization of why said demanded screenies dont show what they show ..
... you call that high populations? I laughed when I read this, and saw those screenshots. Each server that has high population probably just had the max population number decreased, so the servers could handle the combat system. This in turn would make it seem an illusion, and that "high population" is practically nothing.
more rationalization incoming..
Originally posted by Dargnon Iam calling that random players at random time. Not high population.
I really think people who keep ignoring the truth should read this link here that i done found in the vet forum because to be honest I think people have the definition of fanboi on this forum reversed. Vets scream at people who pretty much at their request and/or demand post proof. The proof gets posted and everyone goes "deny deny deny" and sticks their fingers in their ears. Its actualy pretty funny and fits this article to a T. Goes to search for the fanboi names from a vet slung around by the same guy relentlessly over and over again..
Population/Activity all fall victim to perception. Posting screen shots of a bunch of people is proof there are people in that one specific location. Trying to prove, high/low population without "hard" data eg: actual subscription numbers (taking into account free trials and inactive accounts) Number of concurrent users at a time, is imo a waste of time. People will see what they want to see, regardless.
They've done a good job with the instances so far.
I'd expect Hoth to be something that could potentially be built upon. It's free content and it's ok if it's pve for now. PvP instances have to be abound; if not hoth, then maybe something on endor.
Population/Activity all fall victim to perception. Posting screen shots of a bunch of people is proof there are people in that one specific location. Trying to prove, high/low population without "hard" data eg: actual subscription numbers (taking into account free trials and inactive accounts) Number of concurrent users at a time, is imo a waste of time. People will see what they want to see, regardless.
yes well they ask for screenshots saying its the end all and be all only way to prove stuff then they change their mind and say its not then they post screenshots of their own saying its the end al and be all ..
oh yeah and the photoshoped comments are pretty funny too.
From where I sit its looking like this
Those who hate the game or are mad or whatever can post screenshots and they are of course undeniably true
Those who play the game post screenshots and they are of course undeniably not true
its actually pretty funny to watch at this point in time and yeah i just came in to yank the chain again because i have never seen such mind games in my life as on this board ..
its pretty wierd actually how can one posters screenies be all truth and another posters screenies with people in them be all lies or nto be representative. We have peole posting screenshots that are supposed to be representative of "the bad" in the game and they seem to be okay but when someone posts a screenshot being representative of "the good" in the game they are not okay and all wrong and bad and stuff
in other words its all in the eye of the beholder and a great many people have CHOSEN to slant everything in one direction and REFUSE to look at what is in front of them UNLESS IT BACKS UP EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVE otherwise its bunk and "not reperesentative" of anything
so yes interesting games going on here but truly if you stand back for awhile and look well if your still able to look at it as just being a game and a message board that's what it shows. Again pretty interesting and insightful as to how people's minds work.
I remember a time when you would see more people doing a random base bust on a weekday than the entire population of Bloodfin at primetime on a Friday .
Did they ever add in thse ISD's that they had video and everything for like 3 years ago at a fan fest?
Not in the way that was shown in that video. You can board and liberate an ISD as of Chapter 8 though.
And that is how I think this Hoth experience is going to proceed.
Yes, in the near future, there will be guild controlled capitol ships. That be cool and exciting!
<later>
Ta Da! Here you go, a Capitol Ship that you can liberate in an instance server. Cool and exciting, enjoy!
Don't expect what is first stated. After the spin and hype, the goods will be delivered of a fraction of what was promised, plagued with bugs and balancing problems.
As for atmospheric flight. Never going to happen. The amount of lag with the ground system would be too great to make fast speeds possible for air/spacecraft unless the perception range is reduced greatly. At which case, models are going to be "popping" into view too closely. That is problem number 1.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
why would anyone think they would put something like atmospheric flight in a 5 year old game? in my mind this would never happen even if it was popular as the technology likely would nto support it and they would be working on a new game.. games have lifepsans. and I doubt that the coding could support it.
what constitutes a crowd? lessee anything where there is more then 10 people jammed into a small space is a crowd to me . Oh yeah the lag was horrible in those 25 vs 25 PLAYER PVP generated events and i never went.. I was more happy with the smaller stuff with no more then about 10 people max per side
what is proof? I have seen enough proof to choke a horse for both cases
will this argument ever end? lord probably not I bet this eternal argument will be stil going on even if they did introduce another SWG to take over cause it looks like a definate habit to me..
What is each side trying to convnce each other of? HELL if i know lol
why would anyone think they would put something like atmospheric flight in a 5 year old game? in my mind this would never happen even if it was popular as the technology likely would nto support it and they would be working on a new game.. games have lifepsans. and I doubt that the coding could support it. There will never be atmospheric flight in SWG. The ground game engine doesn't even have a Z-axis and the current devs don't know enough about the space game engine to adapt it to ground play. what constitutes a crowd? lessee anything where there is more then 10 people jammed into a small space is a crowd to me . Oh yeah the lag was horrible in those 25 vs 25 PLAYER PVP generated events and i never went.. I was more happy with the smaller stuff with no more then about 10 people max per side If there really are thousands of players currently playing then it shouldn't be hard to post a screenshot of 100 people in one place during primetime. what is proof? I have seen enough proof to choke a horse for both cases will this argument ever end? lord probably not I bet this eternal argument will be stil going on even if they did introduce another SWG to take over cause it looks like a definate habit to me.. What is each side trying to convnce each other of? HELL if i know lol see you /waves
i think it is safe to say that us vets win another one from the looks of it. this isn't really fun anymore as we win every time and really the fanbois and $OE really can't put up any kind of fight.
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you know there are like 100 various collections and to do them you have to wander across all of the planets, not stain in Resty or Eisley.
And each instance is for 8 ppl. Sometimes there are so many ppl doing them that you cant get in as it says "all instances of this dungeon are currently in use". At friday night i would guess there are at least 40 more ppl in instences at any time. Add some pilots that are doing their stuff in space, PvPing or trying to get gunships, add dozens of ppl doing collections on all of the planets... few hundred ppl online is imho OK as this game is only starting to attract more and more players.
You know what they mean. When people say cookie cutter mmo.'s. ..Its the same here. If its PVE then its the same every time. If it were pvp and they add atmosheric flight..i mean the real deal..and pilotable AT-AT's that dont look retarded...thats something that is NOT cookie cutter. Thats something that is starwars.
No, that would be Battlefront which is cookie cutter. Were playing RPG not FPS.
im glad they are adding hoth too, but same as above, ...its too little too late.
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The approval for NGE had nothing to do with LA, it was one guy with the idea of NGE and they had a completely different team work on it, the current dev team at the time had no clue about it, hence why patch notes were saying Squad leader will be fixed next patch, etc. You know professions that were still around.
The story was posted on here by that dev, I think, or one of the staff at this site.
Looks like I shall be subscribing again. I still don't have the money to commit to an rpg, *shakes fist at SOE for adding content! Hasn't SOE heard that they are dying? LOL.
Hopefully it is what people wanted, and a completely open pvp area like restuss.
Uhh, it was a joke.
Obraik is pulling your leg.
QFE, summits are just a bunch of talk. Last year it was the "new" and "cool" "iconic" Animations for Jedi, and other professions. that never happened.
Isn't going to happen. Don't be suckered in by the fanbois. From a technical standpoint these guys can't pull it off and make it worth your time.
Tecmo Bowl.
Hoth isn't coming.
Bria, Bloodfin and Chimaera are known for high populations. 2-3 days old screens from chimaera, just random PvP and random event with GM in Eisley, this is how Chimaera looks every day (except for the giants lol):
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img238.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img240.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img241.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img243.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img282.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img284.htm
... you call that high populations? I laughed when I read this, and saw those screenshots. Each server that has high population probably just had the max population number decreased, so the servers could handle the combat system. This in turn would make it seem an illusion, and that "high population" is practically nothing.
Seriously, I remember when they promised Hoth back in 2004 at the first fan fest. Glad they finally got around to it.
This is the first time they've ever mentioned Hoth being added.
No, it's not. It was mentioned they planned to add Hoth as a big pvp planet with player controlled vehicles back at the very first fan fest in June 2004. I was at the fan fest that's how I know. There was about a thousand other things promised at that fan fest that never saw the light of day. That post you linked is no different. It's just some guy posting what was said at a summit.
Doing instances, collections...you know there are like 100 various collections and to do them you have to wander across all of the planets, not stain in Resty or Eisley.
And each instance is for 8 ppl. Sometimes there are so many ppl doing them that you cant get in as it says "all instances of this dungeon are currently in use". At friday night i would guess there are at least 40 more ppl in instences at any time. Add some pilots that are doing their stuff in space, PvPing or trying to get gunships, add dozens of ppl doing collections on all of the planets... few hundred ppl online is imho OK as this game is only starting to attract more and more players.
There are really messages saying that all instances of this dungeon are in use? Isn't that a clue to how sad the state of the game is right now?
Think about it. If the game starts to attract these "mysterious" players, do you think SOE is going to put up more servers to host these instances? I don't think they would make enough money to do that, unless there was a HUGE influx of players. Now add this in with the initial lag of adding many additional players, and how many people would leave from that. Seems to me they would be back at square one again, if not a step back. Ahh well ... just my opinion of course.
I don't mean to single you out, but your posts are just confirming what I have thought all along, and many other people. A slow death is STILL happening.
EDIT: Also just want to mention, if you are having fun playing the game by all means continue, and more power to you, but just don't expect much in terms of more players, more content, etc any time soon.
Isn't going to happen. Don't be suckered in by the fanbois. From a technical standpoint these guys can't pull it off and make it worth your time.
Who knows, im not going to knock it before I try it. Better to appear wise and silent then open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I have not played in a while, but I don't remember hearing that they were ever added as promised either.
Hoth isn't coming.
Bria, Bloodfin and Chimaera are known for high populations. 2-3 days old screens from chimaera, just random PvP and random event with GM in Eisley, this is how Chimaera looks every day (except for the giants lol):
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img238.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img240.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img241.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img243.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img282.htm
http://www.mmoscreens.com/img284.htm
... you call that high populations? I laughed when I read this, and saw those screenshots. Each server that has high population probably just had the max population number decreased, so the servers could handle the combat system. This in turn would make it seem an illusion, and that "high population" is practically nothing.
Iam calling that random players at random time. Not high population.
some guy posts the demanded screenies..below
then comes the rationalization of why said demanded screenies dont show what they show ..
more rationalization incoming..
I really think people who keep ignoring the truth should read this link here that i done found in the vet forum because to be honest I think people have the definition of fanboi on this forum reversed. Vets scream at people who pretty much at their request and/or demand post proof. The proof gets posted and everyone goes "deny deny deny" and sticks their fingers in their ears. Its actualy pretty funny and fits this article to a T. Goes to search for the fanboi names from a vet slung around by the same guy relentlessly over and over again..
http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-videogame-fanboyism-83502.phtml
p.s. i hate this message board I can't get it to work they way i want..
Population/Activity all fall victim to perception. Posting screen shots of a bunch of people is proof there are people in that one specific location. Trying to prove, high/low population without "hard" data eg: actual subscription numbers (taking into account free trials and inactive accounts) Number of concurrent users at a time, is imo a waste of time. People will see what they want to see, regardless.
They've done a good job with the instances so far.
I'd expect Hoth to be something that could potentially be built upon. It's free content and it's ok if it's pve for now. PvP instances have to be abound; if not hoth, then maybe something on endor.
yes well they ask for screenshots saying its the end all and be all only way to prove stuff then they change their mind and say its not then they post screenshots of their own saying its the end al and be all ..
oh yeah and the photoshoped comments are pretty funny too.
From where I sit its looking like this
Those who hate the game or are mad or whatever can post screenshots and they are of course undeniably true
Those who play the game post screenshots and they are of course undeniably not true
its actually pretty funny to watch at this point in time and yeah i just came in to yank the chain again because i have never seen such mind games in my life as on this board ..
its pretty wierd actually how can one posters screenies be all truth and another posters screenies with people in them be all lies or nto be representative. We have peole posting screenshots that are supposed to be representative of "the bad" in the game and they seem to be okay but when someone posts a screenshot being representative of "the good" in the game they are not okay and all wrong and bad and stuff
in other words its all in the eye of the beholder and a great many people have CHOSEN to slant everything in one direction and REFUSE to look at what is in front of them UNLESS IT BACKS UP EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVE otherwise its bunk and "not reperesentative" of anything
so yes interesting games going on here but truly if you stand back for awhile and look well if your still able to look at it as just being a game and a message board that's what it shows. Again pretty interesting and insightful as to how people's minds work.
I remember a time when you would see more people doing a random base bust on a weekday than the entire population of Bloodfin at primetime on a Friday .
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Thats the Bloodfin I remember! You fans got nothin.....
And that is how I think this Hoth experience is going to proceed.Not in the way that was shown in that video. You can board and liberate an ISD as of Chapter 8 though.
Yes, in the near future, there will be guild controlled capitol ships. That be cool and exciting!
<later>
Ta Da! Here you go, a Capitol Ship that you can liberate in an instance server. Cool and exciting, enjoy!
Don't expect what is first stated. After the spin and hype, the goods will be delivered of a fraction of what was promised, plagued with bugs and balancing problems.
As for atmospheric flight. Never going to happen. The amount of lag with the ground system would be too great to make fast speeds possible for air/spacecraft unless the perception range is reduced greatly. At which case, models are going to be "popping" into view too closely. That is problem number 1.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
So here are some more questsions
why would anyone think they would put something like atmospheric flight in a 5 year old game? in my mind this would never happen even if it was popular as the technology likely would nto support it and they would be working on a new game.. games have lifepsans. and I doubt that the coding could support it.
what constitutes a crowd? lessee anything where there is more then 10 people jammed into a small space is a crowd to me . Oh yeah the lag was horrible in those 25 vs 25 PLAYER PVP generated events and i never went.. I was more happy with the smaller stuff with no more then about 10 people max per side
what is proof? I have seen enough proof to choke a horse for both cases
will this argument ever end? lord probably not I bet this eternal argument will be stil going on even if they did introduce another SWG to take over cause it looks like a definate habit to me..
What is each side trying to convnce each other of? HELL if i know lol
see you
/waves
Anyone have a clip of that guy in the movies useing the 5th admement to wipe his butt.
so i can show $OE what i think of hoth. rofl
i think it is safe to say that us vets win another one from the looks of it.
this isn't really fun anymore as we win every time and really the fanbois and $OE really can't put up any kind of fight.
What a bunch of winners you are!