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LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,981
in Age of Conan: Unchained

I just have to write this.

Remember Vanguard

Remember the mysterious DEBBUGER , it sopposedly  had in open beta , that was bogging all performance and causing FPS lag ?

How we were told that performance will jump at retail , as soon that they remove DEBUGGER ?

Well it never did, guess why ?

1 month before release. When game is already gold. Thats it. The game is finished. If there is any work to be done , it is in repairing obvious bugs , not performance.

Open beta is more or less a public demo , something to judge how crowd accepts the game.

Its not the beta where they repair the game.

 

SO

What you see now. This is 99% accurate picture of what AOC is and will be.

 

 



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  • HousamHousam Member Posts: 1,460

    Originally posted by Lobotomist
    I just have to write this.
    Remember Vanguard
    Remember the mysterious DEBBUGER , it sopposedly had in open beta , that was bogging all performance and causing FPS lag ?
    How we were told that performance will jump at retail , as soon that they remove DEBUGGER ?
    Well it never did, guess why ?
    1 month before release. When game is already gold. Thats it. The game is finished. If there is any work to be done , it is in repairing obvious bugs , not performance.
    Open beta is more or less a public demo , something to judge how crowd accepts the game.
    Its not the beta where they repair the game.

    SO
    What you see now. This is 99% accurate picture of what AOC is and will be.

    actually no..its also a stress test. 50k ppl one 3 servers = alot of stress

  • CablespiderCablespider Member UncommonPosts: 272

    I'll make the best of it regardless. Thanks for the inside scoop.....lol

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  • invizoinvizo Member Posts: 41

    That isn't true for ALL betas.

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

     

    Originally posted by Lobotomist


    I just have to write this.
    Remember Vanguard
    Remember the mysterious DEBBUGER , it sopposedly  had in open beta , that was bogging all performance and causing FPS lag ?
    How we were told that performance will jump at retail , as soon that they remove DEBUGGER ?
    Well it never did, guess why ?
    1 month before release. When game is already gold. Thats it. The game is finished. If there is any work to be done , it is in repairing obvious bugs , not performance.
    Open beta is more or less a public demo , something to judge how crowd accepts the game.
    Its not the beta where they repair the game.
     
    SO
    What you see now. This is 99% accurate picture of what AOC is and will be.
     
     
    Vanguard was a coding mess due to no management or direction from Brad McQuaid.

     

     

    In AoC, it is the debugger. if you run the game from the .exe file in your AoC folder instead of the patcher, you will see the dos box come up and see the debugger compiling as you wait for the game to load.

     

    Another issue wuth the lag is that the textures are non-compressed, so the debugger can do it's job and texture problems can be found/fixed easier ( this is also why the client is bigger than it needs to be ).

     

    Also, the 3.0 shaders take a while to compile in debug mode ( I kick the shaders down to 2.0 and get a much faster load/compile time ), which is where the stutter when you enter new areas comes from.

     

    Also, support for dual/quad core processors isn't in the beta build yet, SLI compatibility is not in the beta build yet, and dx10 is not in the beta build yet. This is one reason I get better performance with my 3 year old computer than those with brand new multi-core comps with dx10 graphic cards.

     

    This is beta. These are things that are being dealt with in beta. You've known me on this site for many years. I'm one of the most critical and negative people on this site when it comes to devs and new games, Lobo. I wouldn't say this game looks to have a good chance of making a smooth release if I didn't believe it myself.

  • Wharg0ulWharg0ul Member Posts: 4,183

    well said Zorvan

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  • JuppJupp Member Posts: 65

    Originally posted by Lobotomist  SO

    What you see now. This is 99% accurate picture of what AOC is and will be.
     
     

    You...are....so....wrong....

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  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    you would think that after all these years with releases like Vanguard and Dark and Light  had people would learn but I guess not. These boards are a copy and paste of Vanguards boards when it had it's open beta.  After all of these years with releases like Dark and Light , Vanguard and other pile of poop people would have a clue but I guess not. What you see 3 weeks before release is the best they have. It's not like companies want to piss off all their future customers 3 weeks before release. Open beta is supposed to be about wowing their fans and getting people to pre order, closed beta is where the bug fixes and optimization is supposed to happen.

    Good luck to the people waiting on miracle build 2.0.

    I miss DAoC

  • thexratedthexrated Member UncommonPosts: 1,368

    Well, considering that Funcom rep did say that this beta uses even older client than the PvP weekend beta...

    "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."

  • BaselineBaseline Member Posts: 503

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    you would think that after all these years with releases like Vanguard and Dark and Light  had people would learn but I guess not. These boards are a copy and paste of Vanguards boards when it had it's open beta.  After all of these years with releases like Dark and Light , Vanguard and other pile of poop people would have a clue but I guess not. What you see 3 weeks before release is the best they have. It's not like companies want to piss off all their future customers 3 weeks before release. Open beta is supposed to be about wowing their fans and getting people to pre order, closed beta is where the bug fixes and optimization is supposed to happen.
    Good luck to the people waiting on miracle build 2.0.

    I could not agree more with this guy. People that are saying "it's not out yet, stop judging this client" are delusional or they have ZERO experience or knowledge of MMO history.

    Being around the genre for nearly a decade, this is so obvious that this game is going to be dead after the first month. They're hiding all of the bugs and all of the missing crap, that's why they're only letting players play up to level 13, and PVE only (god forbid they don't want to piss off the PVP'er base as well and make them realize it's gonna suck).

    This is a spitting image of this point in Vanguards timeline. A few weeks before launch, all of the fanbois out in full effect saying "NOTHING CAN TAKE DOWN MY GAME! SHUTUP! IT'S NOT OUT YET!", then 2 weeks into launch "Oh the miracle patch little Brad promised will be here any day now", then a month into launch suddenly the fanbois are saying "WTF BRAD WHERE'S THE PATCH?!", then they just don't resubscribe after the first month and they go on to say "wow, I adamantly defended that game, I feel like a tool *puts down my vanguard fanboi hat*".

    You could replace "Vanguard" with "AOC" in that last paragraph, and you will see a factual story in about 1 months, 2 weeks time.

  • ZodanZodan Member Posts: 564

    Doom & Gloom? Client is definitely in much better shape than D&L and Vanguard's combined, I don't even understand why people bother or are they just mad because they can't properly set up their computers to perform proper, use lower details if you can't.

    Granted there are problems, but if you understand something about software you can see they are minor issues that can be repaired and not engine design flaws like Vanguard had when it launched - and it still has.

    WoW had problems after launch too, even though it was pretty smooth.

    I'll play the game because I love the lore, combat system and my guildies

    They definitely have more "debug" stuff in the client/server code at the moment because they need to catch their errors and optimize performance, couple of tweaks here and there - that's how the finalizations work!

  • SainthoodSainthood Member Posts: 104

     

    Originally posted by Baseline


     
    I could not agree more with this guy. People that are saying "it's not out yet, stop judging this client" are delusional or they have ZERO experience or knowledge of MMO history.
    Being around the genre for nearly a decade, this is so obvious that this game is going to be dead after the first month. They're hiding all of the bugs and all of the missing crap, that's why they're only letting players play up to level 13, and PVE only (god forbid they don't want to piss off the PVP'er base as well and make them realize it's gonna suck).
    This is a spitting image of this point in Vanguards timeline. A few weeks before launch, all of the fanbois out in full effect saying "NOTHING CAN TAKE DOWN MY GAME! SHUTUP! IT'S NOT OUT YET!", then 2 weeks into launch "Oh the miracle patch little Brad promised will be here any day now", then a month into launch suddenly the fanbois are saying "WTF BRAD WHERE'S THE PATCH?!", then they just don't resubscribe after the first month and they go on to say "wow, I adamantly defended that game, I feel like a tool *puts down my vanguard fanboi hat*".
    You could replace "Vanguard" with "AOC" in that last paragraph, and you will see a factual story in about 1 months, 2 weeks time.

     

    I am convinced no matter what game was beginning open beta you would be here with you negative comments. Lets face it you are a troll that just cant wait to ruin others parade.



    I for one could care less about this game. However I would not be on here bashing a game i havent played.

     

  • BaselineBaseline Member Posts: 503

     

    Originally posted by Sainthood


     
    Originally posted by Baseline


     
    I could not agree more with this guy. People that are saying "it's not out yet, stop judging this client" are delusional or they have ZERO experience or knowledge of MMO history.
    Being around the genre for nearly a decade, this is so obvious that this game is going to be dead after the first month. They're hiding all of the bugs and all of the missing crap, that's why they're only letting players play up to level 13, and PVE only (god forbid they don't want to piss off the PVP'er base as well and make them realize it's gonna suck).
    This is a spitting image of this point in Vanguards timeline. A few weeks before launch, all of the fanbois out in full effect saying "NOTHING CAN TAKE DOWN MY GAME! SHUTUP! IT'S NOT OUT YET!", then 2 weeks into launch "Oh the miracle patch little Brad promised will be here any day now", then a month into launch suddenly the fanbois are saying "WTF BRAD WHERE'S THE PATCH?!", then they just don't resubscribe after the first month and they go on to say "wow, I adamantly defended that game, I feel like a tool *puts down my vanguard fanboi hat*".
    You could replace "Vanguard" with "AOC" in that last paragraph, and you will see a factual story in about 1 months, 2 weeks time.

     

    I am convinced no matter what game was beginning open beta you would be here with you negative comments. Lets face it you are a troll that just cant wait to ruin others parade.



    I for one could care less about this game. However I would not be on here bashing a game i havent played.

     

     

    Hi I have a box, and I promise there's 100% pure awesome in it, can I have your 50 bucks now? Thanks.

    He who does not do his research is as good as robbed.

  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,981

    Believe  what you want.

    If you ever played any open beta , you would know i am speaking the truth.

    I am not saying that AOC is bad, or comparing it to Vanguard.

    Just stating that

    THERE IS NO MIRACLE PATCH

    What you see now, is what you will play at release.



  • VultureSkullVultureSkull Member UncommonPosts: 1,774

    When the game is released it will

    either work well and we are all happy OR

    it won't and we are all sad.

    We just have to wait and see.

    That my friends is the bottom line.

     

  • DignaDigna Member UncommonPosts: 1,994

    Originally posted by Lobotomist


    Believe  what you want.
    If you ever played any open beta , you would know i am speaking the truth.
    I am not saying that AOC is bad, or comparing it to Vanguard.
    Just stating that
    THERE IS NO MIRACLE PATCH
    What you see now, is what you will play at release.
    Maybe 75% of the what you will see at release. There WILL be patches but there's also a lot of stuff on your machine that is just plain 'turned off'. File that are completely disjointed because it won't affect the game after level 13.

    And yes..I've done OB and CBs for the past 14 years so I do know what I am talking about.

    Unless you've gone line for line in the game code Lobo, you aren't basing your opinion on anything other than your past.

  • erandurerandur Member Posts: 727

    Performance will never be good, since they want the Xbox 360 support. If they want Xbox 360 support, they need Windows servers, which are lagfests. Simple as that. ;)

    You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.

  • ZodanZodan Member Posts: 564

    Originally posted by erandur


    Performance will never be good, since they want the Xbox 360 support. If they want Xbox 360 support, they need Windows servers, which are lagfests. Simple as that. ;)
    They don't need windows servers to be able to serve Xbox 360 age of conan clients and development of both are done separately while PC client is done first with minimal or no regard to X360 one.

    Don't have a clue where you got this idea but it's funny.

  • erandurerandur Member Posts: 727
    Originally posted by Zodan


     
    Originally posted by erandur


    Performance will never be good, since they want the Xbox 360 support. If they want Xbox 360 support, they need Windows servers, which are lagfests. Simple as that. ;)
    They don't need windows servers to be able to serve Xbox 360 age of conan clients and development of both are done separately while PC client is done first with minimal or no regard to X360 one.

     

    Don't have a clue where you got this idea but it's funny.

    They do, since only Windows servers support the Xbox 360 programming language. ;)

    You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.

  • FadedbombFadedbomb Member Posts: 2,081

    Sorry Lobo but I have to call shinanigans on your opinions. Zorvon is 200% right and is my new savior.

     

     

    I LOVE THIS GAME even in it's current state (debugger and all).

    The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
    Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  • LCGTomcatLCGTomcat Member Posts: 3

    Dude Lobo, I was in the Technical Beta....trust me...that was a horrible horrible thing. This is 900 times better than the tech test EVER was. And all the General Beta people say that the game is AMAZING.

    What you're seeing now is an old client with almost ZERO support.

    Relax Guys...it's only Beta and it's not what you're gonna get retail. I promise.

    In 2 months you people that are screaming foul about the game will be in love with it.

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798

    I gave links here

    www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/176915

    stating that the Open Beta is older than what PVP Weekend client had

    and how the Closed Beta client is supposedly *MUCH* better

    EQ2 fan sites

  • NymphieNymphie Member UncommonPosts: 28

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxW1TvHSyUU

  • apocalanceapocalance Member UncommonPosts: 1,073

    Originally posted by Zorvan
    ...textures are non-compressed, so the debugger can do it's job and texture problems can be found/fixed easier ( this is also why the client is bigger than it needs to be )....support for dual/quad core processors isn't in the beta build yet...dx10 is not in the beta build yet

    Do you have a link with a dev stating this or is this something you've concluded on your own?

    so...

  • JaeSwiftJaeSwift Member Posts: 201

    The purpose of the open beta is first and foremost a stress test, there using version 1 of the Dreamworld engine instead of version 2 ffs <_<

  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,981

    Well yes you are right.

    Funcom has the finished version of AOC , but they decided to make open beta test - that will influence oppinions of thousands of potentional customers , on old and buggy client.

    And than when 50% of open beta testers decide not to buy the game , convincing their friends and families in process.

    Than Funcom will whip out "real" client and the people that stuck and had trust in Funcom will benefit from playing AOC in its full shine , and culled of all "non believers"

    Amen



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