I disagree, people like Battlekruse and Ghoul have never had an interest in AoC
Dont' tell me what I have an interst in. I palyed DAOC for a long time. I enjoyed the RVR ans Sieges. And that is what AOC promised. You fanaticism for AOC is pretty damn scary though
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Originally posted by ghoul31
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
I disagree, people like Battlekruse and Ghoul have never had an interest in AoC
Dont' tell me what I have an interst in. I palyed DAOC for a long time. I enjoyed the RVR ans Sieges. And that is what AOC promised. You fanaticism for AOC is pretty damn scary though
Its obvious you havent had an interest in AoC and I doubt warhammer too. Remember last august? I can dig your troll posts up then if you like.
Its like, what are your motives for even posting something like this here? whats the point? is it a race, cant both games co-exist? So many people called you out all last year a troll'r, post history doesnt lie. If you have an interest in the games, then it certainly doesnt come across as constructive.
Its obvious you havent had an interest in AoC and I doubt warhammer too. Remember last august? I can dig your troll posts up then if you like.
Its like, what are your motives for even posting something like this here? whats the point? is it a race, cant both games co-exist? So many people called you out all last year a troll'r, post history doesnt lie. If you have an interest in the games, then it certainly doesnt come across as constructive.
My motives are simply to furhter discussions about the pros and cons of both games. You on the other hand care only about vicously attacking anyone who says anything negative about "your" game.
Why are you even in the Warhammer forum? AOC is your holy grail, why don't you stay in that forum?
Only in the hearts and minds of rabid WAR fanbois ( ' : As others have said, it's not a zero sum contest and it shouldn't be made out that way. The games can co-exist among the different demographics and even within them because the games cater to some different play styles (as well as offering different adventures.)
were not the ones who started this fight...disgruntled AoC fans started this thread so back off therain. Honestly those of us that have been active in the WAR forum except for a few that shall remain unnamed have left AoC's Forums relatively alone or atleast tried to be positive.
Taking that a little personally elvenangel? I thought qualifying my statement with "rabid" and "fanboi" would give the more even-handed and rational WAR enthusiasts breathing room.
Regardless, I don't think any backing off is required. Simply put, WAR isn't in a position to even be compared to AoC so "defeat" is only possible in one's imagination at this time. More important would be to accept the fact that can and will co-exist together because they aim to satisfy different needs.
Only in the hearts and minds of rabid WAR fanbois ( ' : As others have said, it's not a zero sum contest and it shouldn't be made out that way. The games can co-exist among the different demographics and even within them because the games cater to some different play styles (as well as offering different adventures.)
were not the ones who started this fight...disgruntled AoC fans started this thread so back off therain. Honestly those of us that have been active in the WAR forum except for a few that shall remain unnamed have left AoC's Forums relatively alone or atleast tried to be positive.
He's right almost all the drama is from AoC people. WAR people have always been pretty laid back and into their game. Half the attackers attack both games...
Again, I was responding to this thread -- if someone was nervy enough to write the same thing about AoC already defeating WAR, I would respond in kind.
Sorry for any confusion.. I didn't mean to imply that no WAR people stir up drama on the AoC side or vice versa, but most of the stupid drama i've seen have been from AoC fans who jumped ship, and then AoC fans going against them on these boards.
I'm sure there are people that bash AoC just because they are fans of WAR, and people that bash WAR just because they are fans of AoC but it's like a vicious cycle.
Again we should all want both games to succeed as the market for us as MMO gamers is weak as hell right now. It's really in a bad state... We should welcome new entries into it and we should all support new ideas and games as they give us more Worlds to get lost in.
I think there are a lot of cool intelligent people arguing over nothing just because some moronic trolls are stirring up drama left and right and these people are getting drawn into it. It's like if an idiot attacks AoC claiming WAR is better because of blah blah blah and then someone defends it they might get fed up and lash back about WAR because of blah blah blah and thus insult more of these cool people causing them to come back about blah blah blah. I've confused myself...
war, you are my last hope, i already cancel 2 pre-orders of aoc. i can't say much except for that aoc is on the same road with vanguard. both great with hype, then sink after rush release, and 2 months after released none playing them.
Been waiting for War since i first heard about it. Aoc was a hopeful tied me over till WAR is out game. I have cancelled 3 pre orders in my house alone and a few friends did as well. If i tested WAR and it played like this OB did i would cancel that as well, but I have seen nad dabbled WARs closed beta and it looks great so i know i won t need to. Friends and closed betas are great
Now that AOC is in open beta, its getting pretty bad reviews. I found this quote from Keen's review pretty interesting "I’m going to be blunt. Funcom is lucky that WAR was delayed and Mythic should be kicking themselves that their game wasn’t ready in time to go against AoC. If these two games went head to head then AoC would have been obliterated and unless Funcom turns things around before Fall that’s precisely what will happen. Sorry if you disagree, but that is the truth of my opinion." You can see his whole review here It seems from that statement that he has played WAR. So has WAR already won this contest?
well I haven't played or tested AOC...but I was in on the buggy release of Anarchy Online..bad 3 first months where any time your character entered an instanced vendor shop...you stood to lose them forever in some eternal dark hole of no return.
There were colour problems with video cards..and other things too and the last time I played AO..maybe last year, there were rubberbanding problems, something you only see in older games or at least thats been my experience.
My prior experience with AO ...great sc-fi idea by the way...too bad the launch wasn't that great, tipped my decision to take a look at what Warhammer has to offer..so far I would say that the War team is taking pages from other game's books...on what not to do, to pee off their potential new customers, matter of fact I think they are going out of their way to guarantee that this will be the gaming experience of a lifetime.
I'm already hooked and I can't even get into beta rofl.
The RVR aspect..which originated from DAOC...YES I played DAOC ..great adrenalin rushes in that game..back in the day....Rvr was a wonderful representation of war with your enemies....it felt like you were making some sort of difference. I have great expectations that the rvr experience with Warhammer will be even better...looking forward to the city sieges in particular.
how do you win a contest that does not exist? seriously, from these posts you would think Funcom and Mythic were at war or in politics. there is no contest, they are both MMO's that cater for different audiences and no where in their goals for the next 5 years is destroy the competition (that would be a very unwise move)
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
how do you win a contest that does not exist? seriously, from these posts you would think Funcom and Mythic were at war or in politics. there is no contest, they are both MMO's that cater for different audiences and no where in their goals for the next 5 years is destroy the competition (that would be a very unwise move)
You don't win anything..there is no contest only conjecture and personal biased opinions. ;P I don't have a hate on for any game out there, nor am I in the habit of doing comparisons..and saying my game's boots are better than your games boots...or whatever. I just don't care about that.
Games..MMO's Mmorpgs whatever you want to call them are entertainment...same as movies, comic books, novels, tv are also entertainment.
Each one chooses personally what pleases them most....I like movies you...like games on the Wii....whatever nobody is exactly alike and will like exactly the same things as anyone else.
Perhaps what people need to do is start making statements about their PERSONAL PREFERENCES..in games and why they think THAT game rocks, rather than all this silly bashing of the "competition".
As for Funcom vs EAMythic well I am sure there is some friendly competition there, I think as professionals they probably converse together from time to time at those big game events.....why wouldn't they.
My PERSONAL choice (note I said personal) was Warhammer, due to the good experiences I had in Daoc. I also played AO at release..and experienced the bugginess of that game for the first 3 months before I cancelled and went off to do something else. I did play AO again later on...things had been fixed etc. The other thing about AOC...is the ip ..to me is not appealing, not my kind of game ..far as I know. So...no hater here...just honest opinion.
how do you win a contest that does not exist? seriously, from these posts you would think Funcom and Mythic were at war or in politics. there is no contest, they are both MMO's that cater for different audiences and no where in their goals for the next 5 years is destroy the competition (that would be a very unwise move)
I say we pit them against each other in mortal combat. Old school Roman arena style...lions and all!
Then, just as we begin to see who may arise the victor...we blow a hole in each of their heads. ALL PRAISE BE BLIZZARD!
No no, I keed I keed. Of course there is some competition there, they have similar release times...and frankly, the markets peaking. Everyone can't all have the same 10 million subscribers, after all. Gotta share em between games. Sorta makes for some basic competitiveness right there.
you know, me personally i like oranges more than apples--they just taste so much better, except that they can often be a bit messier (having to deal with the whole pealing thing you know), apples are good too and i'd say maybe a little bit more versatile--like you can cover them caramel, and who really would go bobbing for oranges, lol.
i think both games look pretty cool, and look like they could each be a TON of fun, i'm planning on at least trying each one, and there's a pretty good possibility i'll play and enjoy both of them for quite awhile.
I honestly started to laugh about this post, seriously WoW king of polish?!! I played WoW since beta and I can tell you it took ALONG time for the game to get even remotly polished, and still the game is a joke in some aspects, I can sometime wait for hours to get the missing class (tank, healer), ingame travel is slow as a snail and just waste your time, arena is a freaking joke... And yea I only got back into it to releve the tedium and to get the last pieces of vengeful but boy is ARENA pvp a turd painted in gold. The in-game travel time in WoW for was even more horrible at the start, quests was broken, areas could be accessed that should not have been able to, class balance was horrible. The funniest class missbalance must have been when hunter was allowed to get extra healing to his pet boooiii that did not get exploited. Even in TBC ZA you could wallhack/walljump and avoid timers. I think most people get some kind of psycosis after playing the same game to much that they fail to see a games weaknesses. Im not going to turn this into a flame war mmorpg against mmorpg. I STILL play my tier 6 pimped druid on Ravencrest in WoW (kinda pissed at the new badge loot but oh well).
Well whats the point of this post; For one thing ALL mmorpgs take time to polish, to expect it to be close to WoW polish at this stage is incredible narrowminded. WoW has had years to get their game to work. I for one hope to play abit AoC it looks like it can grow into a really nice game.
And yea i love WAR im pretty sure i gonna play that sometime aswell since i love the pvp aspects. But stop this ballant flame war. Alot seem to be down to buhu i cant run the game on my 4y old computer.
I honestly started to laugh about this post, seriously WoW king of polish?!! I played WoW since beta and I can tell you it took ALONG time for the game to get even remotly polished, and still the game is a joke in some aspects, I can sometime wait for hours to get the missing class (tank, healer), ingame travel is slow as a snail and just waste your time, arena is a freaking joke... And yea I only got back into it to releve the tedium and to get the last pieces of vengeful but boy is ARENA pvp a turd painted in gold. The in-game travel time in WoW for was even more horrible at the start, quests was broken, areas could be accessed that should not have been able to, class balance was horrible. The funniest class missbalance must have been when hunter was allowed to get extra healing to his pet boooiii that did not get exploited. Even in TBC ZA you could wallhack/walljump and avoid timers. I think most people get some kind of psycosis after playing the same game to much that they fail to see a games weaknesses. Im not going to turn this into a flame war mmorpg against mmorpg. I STILL play my tier 6 pimped druid on Ravencrest in WoW (kinda pissed at the new badge loot but oh well). Well whats the point of this post; For one thing ALL mmorpgs take time to polish, to expect it to be close to WoW polish at this stage is incredible narrowminded. WoW has had years to get their game to work. I for one hope to play abit AoC it looks like it can grow into a really nice game. And yea i love WAR im pretty sure i gonna play that sometime aswell since i love the pvp aspects. But stop this ballant flame war. Alot seem to be down to buhu i cant run the game on my 4y old computer.
You are obviously clueless as to what the word polish in reference to WoW represents
doubtfully that WAR has beaten AOC because it's 2 totally different settings and game types. Those who digs Conan will jump on it and vica versa.. I never jugde a game before I tried it myself.
An absolute key is going to be whether people need to buy a new PC / upgrade to play the game. From what is coming out of the AoC threads right now, it sounds as if a *lot* of people who might otherwise play the game will simply not be able to. That severely cuts down the potential playerbase, and also leads to bad reviews (where people have a bad play experience due to their system). It's also been said in the AoC discussions that WAR will have much more forgiving specs for PC systems: if that is correct then WAR probably will do better than AoC simply because more people will be *able* to play WAR than AoC.
WoW has a fantastic playerbase - and a key reason is because you don't need a high end system to play WoW. AoC may well have pitched its specs too high (time will tell), WAR apparently is doing better on that choice. Either way, both look to be worth a try, if you have a good PC
We already knew this would be the outcome. AOC is a niche game and Funcom knows this. Its never going to appeal to a broad spectrum, at least not like WAR will. One game is a mature only heavily instanced while the other is more mainstream. WAR will be aiming for the WOW crowd which is much larger I think than the section of players who would be interested in a game like AOC.
Having said that I don't think it makes one game "better" than the other however if you were judging strictly by number of paying subscribers I dont think AOC has any chance of beating out WAR.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
We already knew this would be the outcome. AOC is a niche game and Funcom knows this.
The thing is that what people complain about is not things that fall under "this game is not for me". Such things would be for example: I think breasts and blood are the devils tools, I don't like PvP, or somesuch.
The game is just boring to play, the combo system is inane, balance is crap, AI and monster behaviour is horrible, quests are bland, loading times are huge, bugs are rampant.
Im not here to bash WAR but if you think War will launch smooth you are kidding yourself. no MMO's launch smooth and I mean no MMO.
DAoC and WoW had smooth launches.
Hah.. haha.. hah... did you play WoW at launch? No, me either, because it barely ran at all. WoW had a horrible launch, don't kid yourself.
Actually, I played WoW during both stress tests and the launch. It ran perfectly the -entire- time.
Not true, Blizzard had an official press release which stated that the hardware and graphical engine required an upgrade. Which is why, if you can recall, the upgrades to the software scripts & servers started roughly 6-8 months after release in November 2004. WoW had a terrible start, they didn't excpect the amount of player-base to be so high, but it obviously did really well in the end.
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Its obvious you havent had an interest in AoC and I doubt warhammer too. Remember last august? I can dig your troll posts up then if you like.
Its like, what are your motives for even posting something like this here? whats the point? is it a race, cant both games co-exist? So many people called you out all last year a troll'r, post history doesnt lie. If you have an interest in the games, then it certainly doesnt come across as constructive.
Why are you even in the Warhammer forum? AOC is your holy grail, why don't you stay in that forum?
there is trolls on both sides ....enough said
were not the ones who started this fight...disgruntled AoC fans started this thread so back off therain. Honestly those of us that have been active in the WAR forum except for a few that shall remain unnamed have left AoC's Forums relatively alone or atleast tried to be positive.
Taking that a little personally elvenangel? I thought qualifying my statement with "rabid" and "fanboi" would give the more even-handed and rational WAR enthusiasts breathing room.
Regardless, I don't think any backing off is required. Simply put, WAR isn't in a position to even be compared to AoC so "defeat" is only possible in one's imagination at this time. More important would be to accept the fact that can and will co-exist together because they aim to satisfy different needs.
were not the ones who started this fight...disgruntled AoC fans started this thread so back off therain. Honestly those of us that have been active in the WAR forum except for a few that shall remain unnamed have left AoC's Forums relatively alone or atleast tried to be positive.
He's right almost all the drama is from AoC people. WAR people have always been pretty laid back and into their game. Half the attackers attack both games...
Again, I was responding to this thread -- if someone was nervy enough to write the same thing about AoC already defeating WAR, I would respond in kind.
Sorry for any confusion.. I didn't mean to imply that no WAR people stir up drama on the AoC side or vice versa, but most of the stupid drama i've seen have been from AoC fans who jumped ship, and then AoC fans going against them on these boards.
I'm sure there are people that bash AoC just because they are fans of WAR, and people that bash WAR just because they are fans of AoC but it's like a vicious cycle.
Again we should all want both games to succeed as the market for us as MMO gamers is weak as hell right now. It's really in a bad state... We should welcome new entries into it and we should all support new ideas and games as they give us more Worlds to get lost in.
I think there are a lot of cool intelligent people arguing over nothing just because some moronic trolls are stirring up drama left and right and these people are getting drawn into it. It's like if an idiot attacks AoC claiming WAR is better because of blah blah blah and then someone defends it they might get fed up and lash back about WAR because of blah blah blah and thus insult more of these cool people causing them to come back about blah blah blah. I've confused myself...
war, you are my last hope, i already cancel 2 pre-orders of aoc. i can't say much except for that aoc is on the same road with vanguard. both great with hype, then sink after rush release, and 2 months after released none playing them.
Been waiting for War since i first heard about it. Aoc was a hopeful tied me over till WAR is out game. I have cancelled 3 pre orders in my house alone and a few friends did as well. If i tested WAR and it played like this OB did i would cancel that as well, but I have seen nad dabbled WARs closed beta and it looks great so i know i won t need to. Friends and closed betas are great
There were colour problems with video cards..and other things too and the last time I played AO..maybe last year, there were rubberbanding problems, something you only see in older games or at least thats been my experience.
My prior experience with AO ...great sc-fi idea by the way...too bad the launch wasn't that great, tipped my decision to take a look at what Warhammer has to offer..so far I would say that the War team is taking pages from other game's books...on what not to do, to pee off their potential new customers, matter of fact I think they are going out of their way to guarantee that this will be the gaming experience of a lifetime.
I'm already hooked and I can't even get into beta rofl.
The RVR aspect..which originated from DAOC...YES I played DAOC ..great adrenalin rushes in that game..back in the day....Rvr was a wonderful representation of war with your enemies....it felt like you were making some sort of difference. I have great expectations that the rvr experience with Warhammer will be even better...looking forward to the city sieges in particular.
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how do you win a contest that does not exist? seriously, from these posts you would think Funcom and Mythic were at war or in politics. there is no contest, they are both MMO's that cater for different audiences and no where in their goals for the next 5 years is destroy the competition (that would be a very unwise move)
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Games..MMO's Mmorpgs whatever you want to call them are entertainment...same as movies, comic books, novels, tv are also entertainment.
Each one chooses personally what pleases them most....I like movies you...like games on the Wii....whatever nobody is exactly alike and will like exactly the same things as anyone else.
Perhaps what people need to do is start making statements about their PERSONAL PREFERENCES..in games and why they think THAT game rocks, rather than all this silly bashing of the "competition".
As for Funcom vs EAMythic well I am sure there is some friendly competition there, I think as professionals they probably converse together from time to time at those big game events.....why wouldn't they.
My PERSONAL choice (note I said personal) was Warhammer, due to the good experiences I had in Daoc. I also played AO at release..and experienced the bugginess of that game for the first 3 months before I cancelled and went off to do something else. I did play AO again later on...things had been fixed etc. The other thing about AOC...is the ip ..to me is not appealing, not my kind of game ..far as I know. So...no hater here...just honest opinion.
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Dumbest thread Evar!
I say we pit them against each other in mortal combat. Old school Roman arena style...lions and all!
Then, just as we begin to see who may arise the victor...we blow a hole in each of their heads. ALL PRAISE BE BLIZZARD!
No no, I keed I keed. Of course there is some competition there, they have similar release times...and frankly, the markets peaking. Everyone can't all have the same 10 million subscribers, after all. Gotta share em between games. Sorta makes for some basic competitiveness right there.
Sooooo....why did you post in it then? ^^ lol
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you know, me personally i like oranges more than apples--they just taste so much better, except that they can often be a bit messier (having to deal with the whole pealing thing you know), apples are good too and i'd say maybe a little bit more versatile--like you can cover them caramel, and who really would go bobbing for oranges, lol.
i think both games look pretty cool, and look like they could each be a TON of fun, i'm planning on at least trying each one, and there's a pretty good possibility i'll play and enjoy both of them for quite awhile.
AoC defeats itself, doesn't need WAR to do it.
Anyone with proper betatesting experience is going to tell you that WAR looks great in it's current state.
Lost and depressed, where are the good MMOs at?
Well whats the point of this post; For one thing ALL mmorpgs take time to polish, to expect it to be close to WoW polish at this stage is incredible narrowminded. WoW has had years to get their game to work. I for one hope to play abit AoC it looks like it can grow into a really nice game.
And yea i love WAR im pretty sure i gonna play that sometime aswell since i love the pvp aspects. But stop this ballant flame war. Alot seem to be down to buhu i cant run the game on my 4y old computer.
You are obviously clueless as to what the word polish in reference to WoW represents
doubtfully that WAR has beaten AOC because it's 2 totally different settings and game types. Those who digs Conan will jump on it and vica versa.. I never jugde a game before I tried it myself.
An absolute key is going to be whether people need to buy a new PC / upgrade to play the game. From what is coming out of the AoC threads right now, it sounds as if a *lot* of people who might otherwise play the game will simply not be able to. That severely cuts down the potential playerbase, and also leads to bad reviews (where people have a bad play experience due to their system). It's also been said in the AoC discussions that WAR will have much more forgiving specs for PC systems: if that is correct then WAR probably will do better than AoC simply because more people will be *able* to play WAR than AoC.
WoW has a fantastic playerbase - and a key reason is because you don't need a high end system to play WoW. AoC may well have pitched its specs too high (time will tell), WAR apparently is doing better on that choice. Either way, both look to be worth a try, if you have a good PC
No one will know that answer until this time next year. My guess is that they are going to be neck and neck for awhile.
Of course it has........
We already knew this would be the outcome. AOC is a niche game and Funcom knows this. Its never going to appeal to a broad spectrum, at least not like WAR will. One game is a mature only heavily instanced while the other is more mainstream. WAR will be aiming for the WOW crowd which is much larger I think than the section of players who would be interested in a game like AOC.
Having said that I don't think it makes one game "better" than the other however if you were judging strictly by number of paying subscribers I dont think AOC has any chance of beating out WAR.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
The thing is that what people complain about is not things that fall under "this game is not for me". Such things would be for example: I think breasts and blood are the devils tools, I don't like PvP, or somesuch.
The game is just boring to play, the combo system is inane, balance is crap, AI and monster behaviour is horrible, quests are bland, loading times are huge, bugs are rampant.
Lost and depressed, where are the good MMOs at?
DAoC and WoW had smooth launches.
Hah.. haha.. hah... did you play WoW at launch? No, me either, because it barely ran at all. WoW had a horrible launch, don't kid yourself.
Actually, I played WoW during both stress tests and the launch. It ran perfectly the -entire- time.
Not true, Blizzard had an official press release which stated that the hardware and graphical engine required an upgrade. Which is why, if you can recall, the upgrades to the software scripts & servers started roughly 6-8 months after release in November 2004. WoW had a terrible start, they didn't excpect the amount of player-base to be so high, but it obviously did really well in the end.