I wonder if even after official reports from mods and countless reports from testers that the CB version is more stable and updated, and even the PVP weekend client was a more current build, if Lobotomist feels a little stupid. I guess based on his post history that's impossible.
Because Vanguard ruined any chance for ANY company to say "it is better" "miracle patches" ect. It is not our fault we won't fall for the same line of b.s. 2 years in a row .
Why are we the bad people who decide enoughis enough with the same old developer and fanboy spin on a games developmental situations ??
Isn't that a bit like saying "Well my last girlfriend cheated on me, so I'm not trusting another woman again."?
Even if THIS girlfriend shows the same behavioural pattern as that last cheating one?
Ok first I am going to discredit myself by saying that I have never tried AoC, never kept up with the news, never really interested... However, reading through this post it reaks of AO beta/release all over again, and I was a fan boy in beta, defending it to the bitter end... how naive I was. btw AO was also developed by Funcom.
Open betas are marketing tools. Just ask Richard Garriott and how he didn't realize this until it was too late for TR. It doesn't matter if it's a stress test, open beta, pre-order headstart... you're basically showing your hand and the chances to eliminate sales at that point increases significantly. It doesn't matter if it works on *your* computer because the person whose computer it doesn't work on is not going to buy it, and they're going to tell their friends...
This board represents a very small segment of the market. Your average joe isn't going to tweak and re-tweak, or hell, even BUY a new computer just to play this game. They'll happily go back to whatever they were playing before. Not everyone is as hardcore as the rest of us.
There is no miracle patch... there is no mysical debugger that will, once removed, double your performance... These things not only are true for AoC but also every other MMO that was in beta or is now in retail. The debugger was a huge argument during the AO beta and guess what... at release they had much larger problems to deal with.
I feel for ya though... hopefully they can't get their act together in time.
I wonder if even after official reports from mods and countless reports from testers that the CB version is more stable and updated, and even the PVP weekend client was a more current build, if Lobotomist feels a little stupid. I guess based on his post history that's impossible.
If such reports exist I've yet to really see them, so Lobo's not totally off base in his concerns. Maybe CB is better, we'll all find out soon enough.
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I wonder if even after official reports from mods and countless reports from testers that the CB version is more stable and updated, and even the PVP weekend client was a more current build, if Lobotomist feels a little stupid. I guess based on his post history that's impossible.
Because Vanguard ruined any chance for ANY company to say "it is better" "miracle patches" ect. It is not our fault we won't fall for the same line of b.s. 2 years in a row .
Why are we the bad people who decide enoughis enough with the same old developer and fanboy spin on a games developmental situations ??
Isn't that a bit like saying "Well my last girlfriend cheated on me, so I'm not trusting another woman again."?
Even if THIS girlfriend shows the same behavioural pattern as that last cheating one?
Actually I think looking to Anarchy Online would be a better indicator than Vanguard (AO being from Funcom and all). Anyone could agree it was a huge mess at launch, riddled with bugs and issues that made it live up to the games title in a sad way. BUT, eventually they straightened a lot of things out, though for too many it was too late. I expect AoC will launch in a little better shape than the current beta, but still have plenty of technical problems and other bugs that should have the forums howling in outrage for pages on end. Over time some patches will come out, framerates will get better, stuttering will become less of an issue, the only questions really being how long this will take and if by then the damage to its perception will have been done.
Performance will never be good, since they want the Xbox 360 support. If they want Xbox 360 support, they need Windows servers, which are lagfests. Simple as that.
They don't need windows servers to be able to serve Xbox 360 age of conan clients and development of both are done separately while PC client is done first with minimal or no regard to X360 one.
Don't have a clue where you got this idea but it's funny.
They do, since only Windows servers support the Xbox 360 programming language.
Eh. Well here's another beer.
And they don't because they don't communicate using a programming language, they communicate with something that's called a protocol
I just have to write this. Remember Vanguard Remember the mysterious DEBBUGER , it sopposedly had in open beta , that was bogging all performance and causing FPS lag ? How we were told that performance will jump at retail , as soon that they remove DEBUGGER ? Well it never did, guess why ? 1 month before release. When game is already gold. Thats it. The game is finished. If there is any work to be done , it is in repairing obvious bugs , not performance. Open beta is more or less a public demo , something to judge how crowd accepts the game. Its not the beta where they repair the game.
SO What you see now. This is 99% accurate picture of what AOC is and will be.
there is difference between vanguard and aoc, vanguard was using it's launch engine. AOC is not at the moment Open beta = Cheetah 1. Retail = Cheetah 2, dx10, SLI. The devs for vanguard never stated their issue was to due with debuggers of anysort as there was no official explanation. All of it came from the community. The AOC devs have officially stated that with the Cheetah 2 engine alone they expect to see a 30 to 40% increase in performance, plus SLI on top then dx10 for the vista users, Aso there will be a 64 bit client for those of using 64bit. i can find this article if need be. but one hint for the AOC x64 bit client is if you look in the profiles for nvidia's latest beta drivers there are profiles for 4 different clients. a dx9 client, a dx9x64 client, dx10 client, and also a dx10x64 client.
Got to agree with the OP. Been Beta testing MMOs since EQ and I have never seen the launch client being more than 95% different than the gold beta client. Just doesn't happen.
There is no *magic* patch that people keep going on about before the release of major titles (refering to D&L, EQ2, Horizon, Vanguard, TR, PotBS, MO) and there won't be one for this game either. Anyone still hoping for one is just waiting to be disappointed. The best people can hope for is that the developer delays the game, ie WAR, since that was going to be a disaster too.
I also have to agree with what someone said earlier. These forums are pretty much exactly the same as the Vanguard forums at the same stage before release. The fanbois are just doing more damage to the game than good.
you would think that after all these years with releases like Vanguard and Dark and Light had people would learn but I guess not. These boards are a copy and paste of Vanguards boards when it had it's open beta. After all of these years with releases like Dark and Light , Vanguard and other pile of poop people would have a clue but I guess not. What you see 3 weeks before release is the best they have. It's not like companies want to piss off all their future customers 3 weeks before release. Open beta is supposed to be about wowing their fans and getting people to pre order, closed beta is where the bug fixes and optimization is supposed to happen. Good luck to the people waiting on miracle build 2.0.
and the sad part is. if people keep buying into it game companies will keep doing it. I think the phrases miracle build / patch should be banned from all game communities. they are just used to deceive people.
Some of you just need to walk away from the computer.. shesh.
If you dislike the game so damn much.. don't buy it and S-T-F-U already.. We've heard your jaded cocky opinion 5 billion damn times and it's time for you to shut your piehole. WE GET IT! YOU DON'T LIKE AOC! IT'S OK! WE GOT IT THE FIRST TIME! REALLY.. WE DID!
Stop comparing to to Vg, because it isn't. Me and my friend tested it on all of our rigs (6 total) and it works flawlessly. This is the problem with computer games.. it's to hard to design them for everyone when everyones rigs are different. What this means is it takes someone that isn't an idiot to build a computer were the hardware works together in a productive manor. I've seen several people post system specs on these boards and they've ALL got a bottleneck. Learn to build a computer properly and learn to troubleshoot your system to fit the demands of the damn game.
Then if it still doesn't work out.. MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. Wait for release or play something else. This non-stop crying is getting OLD, FAST.
P.S. Vanguard ran fine on all 4 rigs (we only had 4 back at VG release). The game was just boring though.
Some of you just need to walk away from the computer.. shesh. If you dislike the game so damn much.. don't buy it and S-T-F-U already.. We've heard your jaded cocky opinion 5 billion damn times and it's time for you to shut your piehole. WE GET IT! YOU DON'T LIKE AOC! IT'S OK! WE GOT IT THE FIRST TIME! REALLY.. WE DID! Stop comparing to to Vg, because it isn't. Me and my friend tested it on all of our rigs (6 total) and it works flawlessly. This is the problem with computer games.. it's to hard to design them for everyone when everyones rigs are different. What this means is it takes someone that isn't an idiot to build a computer were the hardware works together in a productive manor. I've seen several people post system specs on these boards and they've ALL got a bottleneck. Learn to build a computer properly and learn to troubleshoot your system to fit the demands of the damn game. Then if it still doesn't work out.. MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. Wait for release or play something else. This non-stop crying is getting OLD, FAST. P.S. Vanguard ran fine on all 4 rigs (we only had 4 back at VG release). The game was just boring though.
don't like opposing opinions to a game you like...don't read an open forum. Easy, simple, and you'll save a bundle on your blood pressure medicine.
The happy thing is, I don't give a rat's ass whether the client is old or not. The game is playable and the core has a lot of refreshing features. Performance WILL improve over time, regardless of how it starts. The game already plays smoother in OB than some games played at launch, especially the "unplayable-for-three-days" launch of WOW.
If performance of OB is too low for you, just cancel your preorder. Someone will buy it tomorrow and take your place, especially if it's the collector's edition, which is sold out. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
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It's pretty damn entertaining at this point. My new favorite smiley is leaning towards:
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
As for AoC, there is no reason to be running a debugger on the client two weeks before the game goes live. I don't think I've ever seen that before and I've been beta testing MMOs since the late 90s. Running two different versions of the beta code is another first, as is a level cap on the open beta (which isn't really open since you had to be lucky enough to get a key to get in). Btw, 50,000 people spread over three servers is really not an incredible amount. 50,000 are not all logged in at once. At this stage of beta, the code and graphics should be optomized and we should be focused on stressing the hell out of the servers, not dealing with debuggers.
I always get a good chuckle out of comments like this, you've been beta testing MMORPGs since the late nineties, yet you have no idea about common practices during development and would rather make blatently false statements to try and sway others into believeing your opinion is correct.
I also have tested since the late nineties, and strangely enough my opinion seems to differ from your own, as I know for a fact UO had a debugger running on the client almost right up until release.
Anarchy Online, client ran debugger till near release.
Asheron's Call, client ran debugger till near release.
Dark Age of Camelot, client ran debugger till near release.
EVE Online, client ran debugger till near release.
Final Fantasy XI, client ran debugger till near release.
MxO, client ran debugger till near release.
Star Wars Galaxies, client ran debugger till near release.
and the list goes on and on and on, yes those are facts - not fabrications, do some research next time before you come on these forums and spout garbage that is entirely not true and able to be proved false with about half an hour worth of searching.
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Why are we the bad people who decide enoughis enough with the same old developer and fanboy spin on a games developmental situations ??
Isn't that a bit like saying "Well my last girlfriend cheated on me, so I'm not trusting another woman again."?
Even if THIS girlfriend shows the same behavioural pattern as that last cheating one?
Ok first I am going to discredit myself by saying that I have never tried AoC, never kept up with the news, never really interested... However, reading through this post it reaks of AO beta/release all over again, and I was a fan boy in beta, defending it to the bitter end... how naive I was. btw AO was also developed by Funcom.
Open betas are marketing tools. Just ask Richard Garriott and how he didn't realize this until it was too late for TR. It doesn't matter if it's a stress test, open beta, pre-order headstart... you're basically showing your hand and the chances to eliminate sales at that point increases significantly. It doesn't matter if it works on *your* computer because the person whose computer it doesn't work on is not going to buy it, and they're going to tell their friends...
This board represents a very small segment of the market. Your average joe isn't going to tweak and re-tweak, or hell, even BUY a new computer just to play this game. They'll happily go back to whatever they were playing before. Not everyone is as hardcore as the rest of us.
There is no miracle patch... there is no mysical debugger that will, once removed, double your performance... These things not only are true for AoC but also every other MMO that was in beta or is now in retail. The debugger was a huge argument during the AO beta and guess what... at release they had much larger problems to deal with.
I feel for ya though... hopefully they can't get their act together in time.
If such reports exist I've yet to really see them, so Lobo's not totally off base in his concerns. Maybe CB is better, we'll all find out soon enough.
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Why are we the bad people who decide enoughis enough with the same old developer and fanboy spin on a games developmental situations ??
Isn't that a bit like saying "Well my last girlfriend cheated on me, so I'm not trusting another woman again."?
Even if THIS girlfriend shows the same behavioural pattern as that last cheating one?
Actually I think looking to Anarchy Online would be a better indicator than Vanguard (AO being from Funcom and all). Anyone could agree it was a huge mess at launch, riddled with bugs and issues that made it live up to the games title in a sad way. BUT, eventually they straightened a lot of things out, though for too many it was too late. I expect AoC will launch in a little better shape than the current beta, but still have plenty of technical problems and other bugs that should have the forums howling in outrage for pages on end. Over time some patches will come out, framerates will get better, stuttering will become less of an issue, the only questions really being how long this will take and if by then the damage to its perception will have been done.
the only questions really being how long this will take and if by then the damage to its perception will have been done.
The damage is being done right now.
They don't need windows servers to be able to serve Xbox 360 age of conan clients and development of both are done separately while PC client is done first with minimal or no regard to X360 one.Don't have a clue where you got this idea but it's funny.
They do, since only Windows servers support the Xbox 360 programming language.
Eh. Well here's another beer.
And they don't because they don't communicate using a programming language, they communicate with something that's called a protocol
there is difference between vanguard and aoc, vanguard was using it's launch engine. AOC is not at the moment Open beta = Cheetah 1. Retail = Cheetah 2, dx10, SLI. The devs for vanguard never stated their issue was to due with debuggers of anysort as there was no official explanation. All of it came from the community. The AOC devs have officially stated that with the Cheetah 2 engine alone they expect to see a 30 to 40% increase in performance, plus SLI on top then dx10 for the vista users, Aso there will be a 64 bit client for those of using 64bit. i can find this article if need be. but one hint for the AOC x64 bit client is if you look in the profiles for nvidia's latest beta drivers there are profiles for 4 different clients. a dx9 client, a dx9x64 client, dx10 client, and also a dx10x64 client.
Got to agree with the OP. Been Beta testing MMOs since EQ and I have never seen the launch client being more than 95% different than the gold beta client. Just doesn't happen.
There is no *magic* patch that people keep going on about before the release of major titles (refering to D&L, EQ2, Horizon, Vanguard, TR, PotBS, MO) and there won't be one for this game either. Anyone still hoping for one is just waiting to be disappointed. The best people can hope for is that the developer delays the game, ie WAR, since that was going to be a disaster too.
I also have to agree with what someone said earlier. These forums are pretty much exactly the same as the Vanguard forums at the same stage before release. The fanbois are just doing more damage to the game than good.
I don't think Lobotomist actually plays games. I think his hobby is bitching about them and playing the I told you so guy.
As to this verson of the game...it's not the release version.
and the sad part is. if people keep buying into it game companies will keep doing it. I think the phrases miracle build / patch should be banned from all game communities. they are just used to deceive people.
Some of you just need to walk away from the computer.. shesh.
If you dislike the game so damn much.. don't buy it and S-T-F-U already.. We've heard your jaded cocky opinion 5 billion damn times and it's time for you to shut your piehole. WE GET IT! YOU DON'T LIKE AOC! IT'S OK! WE GOT IT THE FIRST TIME! REALLY.. WE DID!
Stop comparing to to Vg, because it isn't. Me and my friend tested it on all of our rigs (6 total) and it works flawlessly. This is the problem with computer games.. it's to hard to design them for everyone when everyones rigs are different. What this means is it takes someone that isn't an idiot to build a computer were the hardware works together in a productive manor. I've seen several people post system specs on these boards and they've ALL got a bottleneck. Learn to build a computer properly and learn to troubleshoot your system to fit the demands of the damn game.
Then if it still doesn't work out.. MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. Wait for release or play something else. This non-stop crying is getting OLD, FAST.
P.S. Vanguard ran fine on all 4 rigs (we only had 4 back at VG release). The game was just boring though.
don't like opposing opinions to a game you like...don't read an open forum. Easy, simple, and you'll save a bundle on your blood pressure medicine.
The happy thing is, I don't give a rat's ass whether the client is old or not. The game is playable and the core has a lot of refreshing features. Performance WILL improve over time, regardless of how it starts. The game already plays smoother in OB than some games played at launch, especially the "unplayable-for-three-days" launch of WOW.
If performance of OB is too low for you, just cancel your preorder. Someone will buy it tomorrow and take your place, especially if it's the collector's edition, which is sold out. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
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don't you just love the community?
It's pretty damn entertaining at this point. My new favorite smiley is leaning towards:
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
I always get a good chuckle out of comments like this, you've been beta testing MMORPGs since the late nineties, yet you have no idea about common practices during development and would rather make blatently false statements to try and sway others into believeing your opinion is correct.
I also have tested since the late nineties, and strangely enough my opinion seems to differ from your own, as I know for a fact UO had a debugger running on the client almost right up until release.
Anarchy Online, client ran debugger till near release.
Asheron's Call, client ran debugger till near release.
Dark Age of Camelot, client ran debugger till near release.
EVE Online, client ran debugger till near release.
Final Fantasy XI, client ran debugger till near release.
MxO, client ran debugger till near release.
Star Wars Galaxies, client ran debugger till near release.
and the list goes on and on and on, yes those are facts - not fabrications, do some research next time before you come on these forums and spout garbage that is entirely not true and able to be proved false with about half an hour worth of searching.
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