I've played eve for many years. I am what you pathetic whiney carebears call a "griefer" . I suicide mining ships and haulers in high sec daily for fun and once in a while they drop nice stuff I do enjoy doing this very much and I don't really do it for the isk since I don't make much from doing it, but I do it for the excitement . The pathetic whining in local and hate mail I receive is a bonus. It's hilarious to hear some adult/kid screaming and whining in local and threatening me in RL. I don't care where you are what you do you are not safe in eve and your misery actually makes me want to play this game even more. This game is about PVP and nothing is fair in eve so I don't care how you feel this game should be. I play it the way I want to play it within game mechanics and so please go on cry babies because I do it to taste your sweet tears. I would love for someone to suicide my ships, I think it would be super hilarious. Tomorrow I am going out with some buddies to suicide gank some faction fit mission ships.
You should check out my large stock piles of corpses too because I make sure to smart bomb the pod every chance I get.
i don't think griefer would be the term i'd use.
noob comes to mind.
it makes me smile to feel that superior to someone covered in noobness - especially someone who actually gloats about being that incredibly weak.
THIS is why a lot of eve players believe they're better than the rest of the world -- weaksauced noobs thinking they're gods and accomplishing something from preying upon carebears.
i completely agree that it's a playstyle, being a weaksauced noob certainly IS a playstyle.
for the record, noob isn't just for people brand new to a game. the weaksauce-enhanced term - noob, pretty much applies to anyone that resembles a chronic-buffoon in a game, the cowardly, etc.
it's like being conan, watching some mugger beat up a one-armed, blind, 80-year old woman on crutches. for those keeping track, the mugger would be someone like what the quoted person describes, the 80-year old lady would be the carebear. THEN, conan chasing down the mugger as the mugger runs off crying and whining into the darkness.
yeah, it's sorta like that.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.
I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.
Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.
Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.
If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?
Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.
It's only a video game you retard. Killing you in a game =/= killing you in RL.... SERIOUSLY GET A FREAKIN GRIP.
the comparison had already been made about how you can do anything in eve, just like in real life.
this post seems to have been a follow up on that comparison.
judging from your reply, i'd have to say GBTW.
thanks, drive thru.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.
I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.
Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.
Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.
If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?
Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.
Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.
Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.
i think you've confused 'carebear' with 'goonswarm'.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.
I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.
Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.
Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.
If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?
Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.
Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.
Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.
To be honest it's your reply that sounds crappy. RL threaths and things that you say carebears do are against the rules and would result in a quick ban if petitioned for harrassment. To say that this is the standard practice of carebears is simply bullshit, you are out of touch, that things happen in your phantasy but not in game.
Your hate against carebears can be explained with jealosy, they have stuff that you will never own, so you think you must ruin their gameplay. And the anger in game is not even because of highsec-griefing itself. It's because it can be done almost for free with current ship prices and the insurance mechanics. Grief others at basically no cost. Usually this is done by 13 year old retards who don't stand a chance in pvp, against ships that are fitted for pvp, so they have to blow up a mining ship which can't shoot back, to have their daily dosis of success and to feel "l33t".
Back to topic: it's not my intention to give the game a bad rep. It's still the best MMO out there, and all that anger would not happen if there wasn't a harsh "death penalty" which adds a lot to the thrill of the game. Only those to who the game means something, will have any emotions about it at all (be it bad or good ones).Other than in many other mmos, in EvE someone can have a certain power over others (very limited, but since they can affect them emotionally they have a certain power) - and it is like in rl - not everyone can handle power.
It's just like someone way above said, the degeneration of society causes a lots of bastards that see their purpose of life to in harming others - and since in real life they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that - harass and grief others for fun, even if they don't gain anything else than that griefing expirience.
Posting assumptions is never a good idea, I live in 0.0 and 99% of my fights are against pvp fitted ships, as for stuff I would never own I have had and thrown away most of the stuff carebears treasure as well as supplying them with their dream faction mods for their CNRs, and your reference to the value of E-peen items reveals you to be a carebear yourself and you persist in being unable to separate activities in game from real life as you are adamant that people who kill pixels are wrong in the head IRL.
Further more your smack directed at me illustrates my point that the carebears are the ones full of anger and hatred probably born out of inadequacy in game because they feel their E-peen doesn't size up and they are unable to see that E-peen does not matter.
And as for being "out of touch" I'm not the one that just posted on these forums going "OMFG there is unconsentual pvp in EVE"
what carebears are you killing in 0.0?
cmon now, tell the truth, you're one of the *people* that sucicide gank in empire and aren't doing a great job of hiding it.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
This thread is apparently torn between two sides: the "it's just a game, play for fun or GTFO" crowd and the "Internet bullying is not cool" crowd. They both have valid arguments.
Carebears say, "It's too harsh, the game has gone downhill; it's not fun anymore." Counter: "People still play it because it's fun for them. In your opinion EVE may have degraded, but others enjoy it just the same. Things change, so adapt or quit. If you don't like the way the game is, then just leave and stop complaining." Basis of counter: the individual being countered is assumed to be a carebear / newbie or have only a few months or less of total skill and play-time. The countering individual has a multi-year veteran or a relatively new account and enjoys the way the game is going. They wish to continue doing what they enjoy.
Pirates say, "It's just a game, stop whining. I adapted, so if you can't then GTFO." Counter: "Bullying is bullying whether it's in reality or on the internet, and doing so in a community-based game is just as negative as in real life. After playing the game for a long while and finally getting enough money for something cool... only to have all that effort lost in an instant by some malicious players is very troubling. The loss is a great time investment when you gank and exploit the rules. It is a big deal." Basis of counter: the Individual being countered is assumed to be notorious pirate who likes to grief players in high-security space and insult people in chat. The countering individual is a multi-year veteran who enjoyed the game more before rules were changed / exploited. They wish to preserve their investment.
One side wants to play for fun and is detached from anything negative that goes on in the game (playing it like a game). The other side sees it as a digital world where time investment and social interaction means as much as it does in reality (living it like an alternate reality). They're opposite and equally correct. So pick sides and bark and piss at each other if you must, but you know it will never end.
i would have to disagree with a suicide ganker being a pirate. a suicide ganker is a noobishly weaksauced coward that wouldn't have the balls to try to take someone on in low sec, much less venture into 0.0.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I could not agree more with the original poster. I've played this game on and off for 4'ish years. The game play, graphics, and depth are truely awesome. The community, however, is filled with vicious, cruel, gang-like thugs. Not everybody is like this but there are enough to ruin the experience for the majority of us.
Look at the World of Warcraft community for the stats. How many people prefer to play on their PvP servers? Not many. The majority of people don't enjoy non-consenual PvP. CCP is a good company but they don't seem to get this fact. They actually encourage this type of behavior inspite of the fact that the majority of Eve players who quit, quit for this very reason.
I know what the typical Eve response would be to this post. Don't play the game then! Well that's just a shame. I WANT to play Eve. I love the game and every aspect of it except the thugs who justify their behavior as "it's just part of the game!".
I'm all for risk in the game. I don't mind if a pirate corners me and demands my cargo or ransoms me. Unfortunately it's devolved way beyond that. Now they kill you because they're bored. Then they pod you because they can. The game has become a haven for people like that...
In WoW there are more PvP servers then PvE servers ( and thus more PvP players ), it has been like this since release. Please get your facts straight.
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In fact there are 108 pvp/RP pvp realms out of 226. Therefore there are 10 more PVE realms. Please get your facts straight.
then look at the CCP stats and compare the number of folks living in high sec, to those living in low sec and 0.0.
who cares about wow? not i.
but, the numbers ccp put out, about eve-online, show that most folks live and play in high sec.
but if you guys are so fascinated with wow, you could always GBTW.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Lol some of these hate filled carebear replies . Chaps you are way off the mark here, we arent the mentally challended teenagers that you beleive us to be. The average eve player is over 30 years old. I myself am almost 30 (mid life crises ). I am a really nice guy IRL never get in fights, usually polite etc. You forget 1 thing: ITS A GAME lol just because we blow up defensless ships for fun doesnt mean we are ass hats irl please learn to seperate rl from game life. Personally I blow up ships for shits and gigglesI like the pretty explosions and its like christmass when you loot the wreck cos you never know what you going to find. So dear carebears: Learn to accept your loss like a man move on and enjoy the game (ive been blown countless times haha) cheers
so, you're part of the sucide gank squad? because that's not blowing up ships and enjoying the explosions.
i too like to blow up ships. but i'm not skeered to risk losing my ship, nor do i feel the need to try and pick on young pilots or carebears.
guess you lose.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.
I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.
Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.
Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.
If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?
Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.
Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.
Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.
To be honest it's your reply that sounds crappy. RL threaths and things that you say carebears do are against the rules and would result in a quick ban if petitioned for harrassment. To say that this is the standard practice of carebears is simply bullshit, you are out of touch, that things happen in your phantasy but not in game.
Your hate against carebears can be explained with jealosy, they have stuff that you will never own, so you think you must ruin their gameplay. And the anger in game is not even because of highsec-griefing itself. It's because it can be done almost for free with current ship prices and the insurance mechanics. Grief others at basically no cost. Usually this is done by 13 year old retards who don't stand a chance in pvp, against ships that are fitted for pvp, so they have to blow up a mining ship which can't shoot back, to have their daily dosis of success and to feel "l33t".
Back to topic: it's not my intention to give the game a bad rep. It's still the best MMO out there, and all that anger would not happen if there wasn't a harsh "death penalty" which adds a lot to the thrill of the game. Only those to who the game means something, will have any emotions about it at all (be it bad or good ones).Other than in many other mmos, in EvE someone can have a certain power over others (very limited, but since they can affect them emotionally they have a certain power) - and it is like in rl - not everyone can handle power.
It's just like someone way above said, the degeneration of society causes a lots of bastards that see their purpose of life to in harming others - and since in real life they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that - harass and grief others for fun, even if they don't gain anything else than that griefing expirience.
Posting assumptions is never a good idea, I live in 0.0 and 99% of my fights are against pvp fitted ships, as for stuff I would never own I have had and thrown away most of the stuff carebears treasure as well as supplying them with their dream faction mods for their CNRs, and your reference to the value of E-peen items reveals you to be a carebear yourself and you persist in being unable to separate activities in game from real life as you are adamant that people who kill pixels are wrong in the head IRL.
Further more your smack directed at me illustrates my point that the carebears are the ones full of anger and hatred probably born out of inadequacy in game because they feel their E-peen doesn't size up and they are unable to see that E-peen does not matter.
And as for being "out of touch" I'm not the one that just posted on these forums going "OMFG there is unconsentual pvp in EVE"
what carebears are you killing in 0.0?
cmon now, tell the truth, you're one of the *people* that sucicide gank in empire and aren't doing a great job of hiding it.
Shows how little you know about EVE tbh 0.0 is teeming with carebears.
PS holy quadrupletriplemegadoubleposting batman!!
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush, Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light, Company of Heroes II.
Well this is a nice flaming match going on right here LMAO. At least it sort of entertaining, but getting to my point. Did any of you who are complaining about the PvP activities in Eve ever read the sales pitch on the box, or in the adverts, or even read the background stories to this game? Eve is not a nice world, full stop. It's a world full of corrupt officials, power hungry corporations, pirates and terrorists. It's a dark futuristic world inspired by films like Blade Runner, and books like a Brave New World. This game was never sold as anything else, and is most likely exactly what the creators want it to be.
In a world where you have all of space to hide in and where the police don’t really care, you are going to have bad people doing bad things, hell even dam right 'evil' things. Weather the player at the other end of the computer gets a kick out of being mean or not is largely relevant. Having such players only adds to the realism of this dark and hostile future.
After all this is a RPG (Role Play Game) Role Play = Playing a part, weather that be: A good conscience individual frustrated with dog eat dog world they live in, and try to fight against it (So called Carebare), or weather they be a mean as a rattler corporate hound (you 'average' player - if such a thing exists), or you black hearted low down nasty pirate (So called gankers).
Game = A game something FICTONAL where you have fun. It’s a GAME! People stop treating like it was for real. If you don’t like the open PvP nature of the game and it really upsets you that much then go play in another game where the world is not so open a free to do as you will. Eve is about as open and free gaming experience as you can find. It’s like freedom of expression people love it till someone say’s something they don’t like then they try as they might to stop the person’s freedom to express them self’s. Eve wouldn’t be Eve with out the freedom to kill/attack anyone at any time. If you think that’s not right or fair you’re playing the wrong game.
I’ve been killed jumping into low sec space 0.4 and totally owned. Now I was well pissed off but I didn’t start berating the guy OOC saying how I was going to do nasty things to his family or what ever. I told him that he was now black listed by my Corp and if they ever find him they’ll pin him down and cut him to pieces slowly over 10mins with Recon ships as he watches his beloved Battleship get destroyed and he’ll be poded. All nasty if they ever find him but well with in the confines of the game and still trying to keep to the atmosphere of the game.
It’s like the people that wine on PvP servers in WoW when there level 20 gets raped by a level 70. Yeah it sucks, yes they lvl 70’s most likely a lame 12 year old, but it’s a GAME! If you can’t handle that sort of PvP then don’t play on a PvP server! When will you people ever learn and grow up. Stop being a bunch of whining little kids, who want to go taking there ball home when they don’t get there way.
Eve rocks! If you don't like it your a a 12 year old, or have the mental age of one, with the attention span of a goldfish! We are so glad your not screwing up the greatest MMORPG to date! Or of course you just might not like this kind of game ;D ...weirdos!
fact - combine the number of players living and playing in 0.0 with the ones in low sec, and you still have far less than the number of players living and playing in high sec. (see ccp's numbers)
fact - ccp is a company which is out to make a profit, and continue to make a profit for years in the future.
opinion - alienating the majority of your paying customer base is not a wise thing to do. (how many people still hate soe and everything soe related because of swg? not because of all the other soe-related games that smed has ruined, but swg?)
fact - ccp is going out of it's way to improve customer relations and foster good will in the player community. see the current elections for an example.
opinion - from cursory perusal of the mission forum on eve-o, it seems that "mission runners" are not looking for or anticipating pvp missions. heck, there's a couple of threads around the top (as i look right now) asking about how much mission runners have to worry about being scanned down and ganked in missions.
fact - every sentient being will have opinions. this does not imply that these opinions will be 1 - intelligent, 2 - correct, or 3 - profitable.
opinion - based on that last, opinions don't really mean shit.
fact - any forum player "poll" on eve-o forums can have all 3 toons on an account voting, or all 3 toons on each account owned by a player voting. so, a poll with 500 or so characters complaining about an item, could actually just be 166 or so players on all 3 of their accounts' toons, complaining. a 1,000 character petition could actually only be around 333 players. aren't the subs up to 150k or more? that would be a very vocal minority voting on a poll.
now everyone can have their opinion on this and that and the other. the facts are that the vast majority of eve's players live in high sec space.
if i were a dev, i would be very careful about anything i do that disrupts the fun of the majority of my players. keep in mind also, that for all the "fun" in pvp that everyone claims to have -- the devs themselves state pvp is incredibly broken and they are doing their damndest to figure out how to fix it. they're not just talking about blob wars. heat is not an attempt to fix blobbing. so if you like pvp as it is now, you should love it when the devs finally have it working "correctly". if you hate pvp now, perhaps when pvp is fixed a tad more, then you wouldn't mind some pvp mixed in with your high-sec whatevering.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I'd just like to clarify that I hope and want Eve to keep evolving. I didn't mean in my last post that Eve should not be improved upon at any point, when i said it's 'exactly how the creators want it to be'. My rant was about all the people who come on to forums to flam the game and it's players. There is a reason this game is rated in the top 5 MMORPG's there is a reason why it's won countless online and magazine awards for it being one of the best MMORP's to date.
If you don't get why Eve is rated so highly then it is simply because the game is not to your taste or style. It has nothing to do with it being a bad game or being ruined by evil ganking social r-tarded players. What could be damaging to Eve is all the idiots that don't get it and flame it on forums like MMORPG. I'm all for constructive criticism and pointing out why you found the game not to be to your tastes. That way people who haven't tried the awesome gaming experience of Eve can actually make an informed decision as to whether the game is for them or not.
Eve rocks! If you don't like it your a a 12 year old, or have the mental age of one, with the attention span of a goldfish! We are so glad your not screwing up the greatest MMORPG to date! Or of course you just might not like this kind of game ;D ...weirdos!
fact - combine the number of players living and playing in 0.0 with the ones in low sec, and you still have far less than the number of players living and playing in high sec. (see ccp's numbers) fact - ccp is a company which is out to make a profit, and continue to make a profit for years in the future. opinion - alienating the majority of your paying customer base is not a wise thing to do. (how many people still hate soe and everything soe related because of swg? not because of all the other soe-related games that smed has ruined, but swg?) fact - ccp is going out of it's way to improve customer relations and foster good will in the player community. see the current elections for an example. opinion - from cursory perusal of the mission forum on eve-o, it seems that "mission runners" are not looking for or anticipating pvp missions. heck, there's a couple of threads around the top (as i look right now) asking about how much mission runners have to worry about being scanned down and ganked in missions. fact - every sentient being will have opinions. this does not imply that these opinions will be 1 - intelligent, 2 - correct, or 3 - profitable. opinion - based on that last, opinions don't really mean shit. fact - any forum player "poll" on eve-o forums can have all 3 toons on an account voting, or all 3 toons on each account owned by a player voting. so, a poll with 500 or so characters complaining about an item, could actually just be 166 or so players on all 3 of their accounts' toons, complaining. a 1,000 character petition could actually only be around 333 players. aren't the subs up to 150k or more? that would be a very vocal minority voting on a poll.
now everyone can have their opinion on this and that and the other. the facts are that the vast majority of eve's players live in high sec space. if i were a dev, i would be very careful about anything i do that disrupts the fun of the majority of my players. keep in mind also, that for all the "fun" in pvp that everyone claims to have -- the devs themselves state pvp is incredibly broken and they are doing their damndest to figure out how to fix it. they're not just talking about blob wars. heat is not an attempt to fix blobbing. so if you like pvp as it is now, you should love it when the devs finally have it working "correctly". if you hate pvp now, perhaps when pvp is fixed a tad more, then you wouldn't mind some pvp mixed in with your high-sec whatevering.
Fact- the high sec population is transient and most purely high sec dwellers (not low sec or 0.0 player alts) don't stay longer than three to nine months (average account life is 7 months) but 0.0 players usually stay around for several years, CCP know which side their bread is buttered and will stick with the pvp crowd as that's the games major attraction.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush, Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light, Company of Heroes II.
This is a most important post by thread starter, so thank you for that.
EvE isn't what it used to be, no.
I remember the old game, oh it was beautiful. No matter what you did, you knew you was, safe as long as you stayed beyond 0.5. The good people stayed on this sector, granted making less money, and the not so good people, or those tired of jhigh sec could take their chances in low, or 0.0.
Why CCP had to change that, I'll never know. But the game makes no sense anymore. No where to hide from either gankers, gooners, or wankers. I used to have two accounts on EvE, now I have none. And as far as I'm concerned EvE isn't a beutiful game anymore.
I believe that you have to have some sort of evil inside you, to go and gank somebody's hauler for no good reason at all, and then flame them afterwards.
This is a most important post by thread starter, so thank you for that. EvE isn't what it used to be, no.
I remember the old game, oh it was beautiful. No matter what you did, you knew you was, safe as long as you stayed beyond 0.5. The good people stayed on this sector, granted making less money, and the not so good people, or those tired of jhigh sec could take their chances in low, or 0.0.
Why CCP had to change that, I'll never know. But the game makes no sense anymore. No where to hide from either gankers, gooners, or wankers. I used to have two accounts on EvE, now I have none. And as far as I'm concerned EvE isn't a beutiful game anymore. I believe that you have to have some sort of evil inside you, to go and gank somebody's hauler for no good reason at all, and then flame them afterwards. Osama Bin Laden plays EvE.
I want no part of it anymore. Goodbye.
I take it you never witnessed or heard of mines being dropped in the undocking traffic jams at high sec trade hubs? or pre buffed concord being tanked by a whole corp who where ganking everything in sight in Yulai? (Jita mk I) This kind of stuff is nothing new and has existed since the servers opened and CCP have responded by making it more difficult but still keeping within the original ethos.
And as for ganking a hauler for no reason there is a very good reason, it has goodies inside.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush, Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light, Company of Heroes II.
Eve is pure and uttermost HYPE. It's boring, unpersonal, slow, and after the tech hype wears off it more resembles an Excell spreadsheet than any other MMORPG on the market. Most have played it for about 3 months and than realise it doesn't offer anything except ... empty space and spaceships. Eve is the cricket of the MMO's, while you can have all the exciting other sports for lesser investments.
Originally posted by Xanitra
EvE isn't what it used to be, no.
I remember the old game, oh it was beautiful. No matter what you did, you knew you was, safe as long as you stayed beyond 0.5. The good people stayed on this sector, granted making less money, and the not so good people, or those tired of jhigh sec could take their chances in low, or 0.0.
Why CCP had to change that, I'll never know. But the game makes no sense anymore. No where to hide from either gankers, gooners, or wankers. I used to have two accounts on EvE, now I have none. And as far as I'm concerned EvE isn't a beutiful game anymore.
I believe that you have to have some sort of evil inside you, to go and gank somebody's hauler for no good reason at all, and then flame them afterwards.
Osama Bin Laden plays EvE.
I want no part of it anymore.
Goodbye.
Oh dear, way to go and prove my point.
Now the remark about it being the cricket of the MMORPG could be a fair point if not done in such away as to try and make out the game to be bad because of it. Millions of people love to watch, play, and enjoy cricket, but it's not everyone’s game. It's not often a game for 12 year olds and people with the attention span of a goldfish, in a lot of ways much like Eve. So your point is kind of constructive, if done in a totally infantile way. Eve has never been about quick frills and fast paced action, and it's never been sold as such or been said to be such... well not that I've read here on the forums.
Eve was never about being safe! Read the game world it was totally NOT the feel they where going for. The constant tension at the back of your mind that you could be killed at any moment is half of the fun! To be honest I've never been killed in anything but 0.4 space and bellow. You might get ganked if your afk mining or some such, but if your paying attention you can see trouble before it even gets it's guns locked on you. Also it’s totally with in the game parameters a pirate would go for easy to find, easy to kill targets, that are undefended and have lots of useful cargo to nick. Like miners, why would a pirate do all the hard mining when he can just raid some poor shmuck who’s not paying attention or taking the right processions. Mining belts are not safe areas no matter the sec security they are NOT policed.
If you don’t like Eve's open PvP which has always existed anywhere in the game, from word go, then what the hell are you doing buying or downloading it in the first place!? I refer to my earlier post. Don’t whine about something that was clearly advised, and is a large factor of what makes Eve so individual and successful. One server for all players, total open PvP anywhere in the game. There are not many MMORPG's that enforce such freedom, and there for such a realistically open world for you to play in.
Eve is great because it's not like any other MMORPG it's individual and bloody well done, IF you like that sort of game, if you don't then fair play.
Eve is not for everyone, but that does not make it a bad game.
I hate WoW but I can see why it appeals to people with short attention spans, a younger market, or just people into fast paced action packed MMORPG world. It is like a violent Disney cartoon world on speed. It could be likened to American football of the MMORPG world: Bright colours (spelt the right way thank you ;D), fast paced action, simple rules with a simple objective. Or better yet WWF or WWE or any of the other bad wrestling TV shows from the USA.
The continued poorly thought out, badly formed, none-constructive criticism and flaming that this game gets only illustrated that this game is for a calmer, intelligent, not always but mostly likely mature player (late 20's+ or so). Now this is not to say all Eve players full under this demographic but in my experience of the game it tends to be the case. If your young and/or have a short attention span you will hate this game, if you young and/or easily angered by death in PvP then you will most likely hate this game. If you for fill both, avoid this game like the plague you'll most likely hate it with every fibre of your body.
Try and have the maturity to see that this game is very well done, you might hate it and your experience of it may have sucked for many reasons; some due to your inexperience as the player, some to do with the game system, and some to do with the community, but why not try and express that like an adult. Not like a 6 year old who didn't get his way and is now balling his eyes out to his mummy "I hate it! I hate it! I don’t want to go, WAAA WAAA!" if you look at your post they pretty much boil down to that sort of child like response to something that has upset you. Grow up please.
See guys what I just put up is maybe flaming you, but it is also constructive criticism that will enable people who have not played this game to make a real and informed choice about it before they even think about playing. However I doubt you’ll have the patience to read this post so it’ll most likely land on deaf ears on your part.
Oh sorry for the caps and enlarged letters, but it was done in hopes that people with short attention spans might at least get the very basic point I was making.
Eve rocks! If you don't like it your a a 12 year old, or have the mental age of one, with the attention span of a goldfish! We are so glad your not screwing up the greatest MMORPG to date! Or of course you just might not like this kind of game ;D ...weirdos!
EVE Online is great for weeding out the sociopaths in society. Some people need to be reminded that there is a real person behind the computer controlling every ship (unless you are a cheater and using a bot, but that's another story).
The replies in this thraed have done an excellent job of proving the OP's point. Merely because you can do something doesn't mean you should nor does it make it right. Ruining someone elses gameplay through griefplay is wrong; people play games to enjoy themselves not to become someone else's entertainment.
People in organizations like Goonsquad are cowardly sociopaths. They know that if they acted like they do online in real life, that they'd get there rear-ends kicked by someone bigger and stronger. As a result, their insecurities in real-life drive them to feel the need to prove themselves in some virtual world. They take perverse pleasure in causing others to suffer. You say it's just a game but you forget that there are still real people involved.
If anything, it's the hardcore EVE players who have forgotten that it's a game. I've seen instances where rival corporations hack into each other's real-life computers outside of the game in some e-peen contest over virtual assets. I've seen corporations that actually require their mebmers to play a certain amount of hours a week and actually take on a job (I already have a *PAYING* job in real-life; I'm not interested in paying a monthly fee to have a second one). I've seen people go so far as to forge e-mails and IMs outside of the game to gather "intelligence" on rival corporations.
When most people think of the worst MMO community, World of Warcraft comes to mind. But it can't hold a candle to EVE. World of Warcraft is full of immature children. EVE Online's community is just downright nasty. It's full of an unrivled amount of vitriol and vindictiveness. Given EVE's tendency to attract misfits and sociopaths, It's only a matter of time before all of that spills over into the real world. I serioulsy wouldn't be surprised if a real-life murder or assault ended up being related to something that happened in EVE. And that's scary.
But does the fact that it is possible to do and wrong, and that there are antisocial (or just differently social) people around, mean the organizers need to change their game?
Especially to change the very foundation base, the freedom of both choice and consequences, of the game?
No.
There are numerous ways to avoid getting constantly ganked, and the primary reason for the outcry is because people who have been populating the high-security areas have never thought they needed to learn them, even in the most basic form. After all, NPCs never warp in after you, they don't generally camp high-security gates and stations, and most importantly, they aren't unpredictable. Players do, will, and are.
Truth is, high-security 'safety' has always been an illusion. The only reason people haven't been ganked there en-masse before was because there was little reason to, and the profits had to overshadow losses if you did do it. Goonies decided to change that, and, like so many times before, they changed the status quo, and revealed the illusion for what it was. Does this make them evil? Maybe. Does it mean they are all bad people? No.
Yes, there are bad people in RL. There are bad people in EVE. Most likely, one does not imply the other, nor does someone's ganking your hauler in high-sec automatically mean they are a complete no-life retard douche. It may be an indicator, but at leats imo the jury's still out. Perhaps they work at an orphanage, or give free kittens to people in RL. Perhaps they are mean, sadistic bastards on EVE and literally saints on the streets. Who knows?
Or perhaps every goonswarm empireganker is really a sociopath serial killer trying to find out your address so they can come to your house and rape your cat in retaliation for killing their pod last night. Rabble rabble rabble!
For the closure, I'd like to give everyone the old mantra. Whenever life gets you down, whenever your pods blow up in your face and your wallet seems to empty to an endless line of replacement ships, parts, clones and implants, just breathe deep, close your eyes, and repeat for thirty minutes:
You simply fail to see how intricate and detailed the game is. You lack the intelligence to properly connect to this game.
/sarcasim off.
Op forget the worst part of EvE, the elitist attitude of many of the vets. Rekindles reply sums it up quite nicely.
Another example; an issue that is being brought up over and over again is why low-sec is so empty in EvE and what can done about it. And the typical ganker answer and "solution" is that:
"Low-sec is fine, nerf High-sec, no lvl 4 missions in High-sec etc.."
When the problem is that low-sec can at times be sealed off from high-sec by gate-camping. A tactic usually reserved for Alliance warfare. But somehow the gate-campers fail to see that and blame mission runners for not coming to low-sec and be easy targets.
Amen Fin, after a while one does feel like a broken record? Lol.
To the other chap before Fin,
Do you know what a sociopath is? Because I think you've confused it with a bully or a psychopath. Bullies are not typically sociopaths there just what you described a sociopath to be. A sociopath is (very basically as mental illness is very complex) someone who has been mentally scared by a traumatic event or twisted upbringing. They don’t live by the same social rules that we do. They can be erratic, strange and most often quite dangerous, and will most likely not run away like a coward in RL, they are more likely try and turn you into FUBAR.
There more dangerous than you garden verity psychopath who just doesn’t feel any emotional connection to...well anything really. A psychopath can lead a normal and ‘healthy’ life; even if they do tend to end up as cut throat business men/women, lawyers etc. It doesn’t denote that they will be a serial killer. A sociopath is generally a lot more dangerous or at least more volatile and unpradictable because they don’t live by the normal social rules. So what I’m saying is if anything the 'evil' gankers on Eve are actually more likely to be Psychopaths and not sociopaths. It always helps to get your facts right.
That’s aside you still totally wrong. It’s a computer game not real life, and in a game one can easily just do something bad because they can, for the thrill of it, boredom or many other normal reactions. The level of detachment means that a normal and well adjusted person can happily blow up or kill a bunch of fictional pixels that don’t really exist any where except as 1’s & 0’s. They’ll never meet the person who’s controlling the computer that was creating the fictional space ship and there for the level of guilt and attachment is very minimal. Add to that the fact that what they are doing is NOT against the game mechanics or rules of the game, unless said flaming is way OTT and of a personal or harassing nature.
“Hahaha you noob I so owned you!” Is not harassment or of a personal nature. If you got killed and got really personal and nasty flaming you should have reported to the Eve GM’s right away. However I’m guessing that you also gave the ganker in question a verbal torrent of abuse ether first or back, making you just as guilty for poetically breaking the code of conduct rules in return. But in my experience it’s normally the victim who starts such flaming matches, normally starts with something like. “OMFG!!! why did you do that, that’s not fair I’m a noob what’s wrong with you? Did you Daddy abuse you when you where a kid?” Or some other such remark that’s totally uncalled for. It also happens to be of a personal nature. You think it’s witty and cleaver but it’s not, it’s just derogatory and insensitive as well as demeaning to thoughts people that have live and suffer thought such horrors.
Ganking does not make you evil; it does not make you a sociopath or a psychopath. It might mean that you’re a bit mean spirited if you gank and then flame. If you can’t hack open PvP don’t play Eve. Pure and simple, or get smart quickly so it doesn’t happen again.
Eve rocks! If you don't like it your a a 12 year old, or have the mental age of one, with the attention span of a goldfish! We are so glad your not screwing up the greatest MMORPG to date! Or of course you just might not like this kind of game ;D ...weirdos!
Amen Fin, after a while one does feel like a broken record? Lol.
To the other chap before Fin,
Do you know what a sociopath is? Because I think you've confused it with a bully or a psychopath. Bullies are not typically sociopaths there just what you described a sociopath to be. A sociopath is (very basically as mental illness is very complex) someone who has been mentally scared by a traumatic event or twisted upbringing. They don’t live by the same social rules that we do. They can be erratic, strange and most often quite dangerous, and will most likely not run away like a coward in RL, they are more likely try and turn you into FUBAR.
There more dangerous than you garden verity psychopath who just doesn’t feel any emotional connection to...well anything really. A psychopath can lead a normal and ‘healthy’ life; even if they do tend to end up as cut throat business men/women, lawyers etc. It doesn’t denote that they will be a serial killer. A sociopath is generally a lot more dangerous or at least more volatile and unpradictable because they don’t live by the normal social rules. So what I’m saying is if anything the 'evil' gankers on Eve are actually more likely to be Psychopaths and not sociopaths. It always helps to get your facts right.
That’s aside you still totally wrong. It’s a computer game not real life, and in a game one can easily just do something bad because they can, for the thrill of it, boredom or many other normal reactions. The level of detachment means that a normal and well adjusted person can happily blow up or kill a bunch of fictional pixels that don’t really exist any where except as 1’s & 0’s. They’ll never meet the person who’s controlling the computer that was creating the fictional space ship and there for the level of guilt and attachment is very minimal. Add to that the fact that what they are doing is NOT against the game mechanics or rules of the game, unless said flaming is way OTT and of a personal or harassing nature.
“Hahaha you noob I so owned you!” Is not harassment or of a personal nature. If you got killed and got really personal and nasty flaming you should have reported to the Eve GM’s right away. However I’m guessing that you also gave the ganker in question a verbal torrent of abuse ether first or back, making you just as guilty for poetically breaking the code of conduct rules in return. But in my experience it’s normally the victim who starts such flaming matches, normally starts with something like. “OMFG!!! why did you do that, that’s not fair I’m a noob what’s wrong with you? Did you Daddy abuse you when you where a kid?” Or some other such remark that’s totally uncalled for. It also happens to be of a personal nature. You think it’s witty and cleaver but it’s not, it’s just derogatory and insensitive as well as demeaning to thoughts people that have live and suffer thought such horrors.
Ganking does not make you evil; it does not make you a sociopath or a psychopath. It might mean that you’re a bit mean spirited if you gank and then flame. If you can’t hack open PvP don’t play Eve. Pure and simple, or get smart quickly so it doesn’t happen again.
Armchair psychology at it's worst. You barely have a grasp on the true meaning of Psychopath, yet "try" and explain both. Time for some more expert psychological information.
Psychopath = Sociopath. There is no distinction between the two. Sociopath is just another word for Psychopath. They're both characterized by an individual who has no moral compass when it comes to dealing with others. Therefore, butchering, raping, lying to others is completely normal for them. They just don't show emotion when doing bad things to other people. What makes it hard to diagnose these people before they act, is that a lot of them typically have extremely good social skills that allows them to function in society. Usually, they just live ordinary lives, thus not drawing attention to true actions.
Prime example is Dennis Rader (BTK killer) that lived a normal life of active church membership, teaching boy scouts, and being successful in his job. Unbeknown to everyone is that he bound, tortured, and killed (BTK) 10 individuals in his past. Of course it was a shock to the Kansas community when his true identity was discovered. However, not all psychopaths are serial killers... some psychopaths never kill during their entire lives. (http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/portrait-of-psychopath)
When it comes to EvE... there is no indication that the people who are PK'ing are antisocial or not. They could be sociopaths. However, they could just be a-holes flexing their epeen at killing another player. Either way, they are actively taking actions against other people by blowing up something that the target had spent their own time in building (either through gaining isk to buy or building it themselves). Therefore, they are destroying other's work. True, that it isn't against the rules of this game for PK's to engage in this sort of actions. However, it still doesn't absolve the fact that said individuals are still harming others via PK'ing.
Also, madjimbob... stop flying off the handle at other's statements. If you want people to actually take you seriously (or read what you wrote for that matter), keep a calm head and put some thought into what you are writing.
I've heard enough good about Eve to hit the forums from time to time and think about playing it. But then I read all of the bad stuff about the game and that's where I stop in the process of becoming an Eve Player/Subscriber.
Sometimes, these boards make Eve sound like a cross between 2nd Life and Grand Theft Auto, honestly.
Aside from trying to figure out what mental issues the PK's might have, why not figure out a process to prevent it from happening again. If the game is working as intended, then perhaps the player simply needs a different game?
Just looking at this from the outside/in (potential player's perspective).
Only reason it seems griefing is becoming more common is EVE has alot more subscribers then it's early days.
It is a very populated game and of course considering most people suck....thus the griefing.
EVE is a total different game when you find a good corp/alliance. Noob space, and noob corps are annoying because as I said, most people suck.
All in all EVE is a very solid PVP MMO with tons of upcoming features to be released like (finally) Empire wars, and walking avatars.
The community still is by far the most mature of any mmo I've been in (on average) but of course as it has become more popular the bad apples seem more common.
The good thing about that is you have more incentive to blow them to pieces.
As for bitterness and hate you speak of, remember, eve is a PVP game. There is always the possability of PVP. PVP has loss. When people loose millions in a ship they get bitter. It's not a safe PVP game. Which is my favorite part. It's more realistic when you have something to risk.
Originally posted by BlackWatch Aside from trying to figure out what mental issues the PK's might have, why not figure out a process to prevent it from happening again. If the game is working as intended, then perhaps the player simply needs a different game?
That's exactly what i don't get. People complain about other people shooting them, but they do not do anything to protect themselves. Instead, they hit the forums.
I know how to protect myself from gankers. I know how to use all available means to gather intel. I know how to fit my ship so i don't get cought when i don't want to. I know how to deal with smacktalkers, and what to do when a player insults me (f12 -> petition).
If somone wants to be a pirate, then that's fine with me. Eve is advertised with the promise of harsh gameplay and pirates everywhere. It takes a bit of planning to avoid them, and that's what makes eve beautiful. It's a space survival game after all.
Sorry to say that, but comparing pirates in Eve with psychopaths is stupid. Wonder when godwins law will hit this thread..considering the amount of anger directed at people on the yarr-side of eve, it's only a matter of time.
CCP has strict rules against griefplay, and insulting others is against the rules, too. If you don't know how to deal with them, or fail at avoiding getting ganked, killed, humihilated and your corpse sent back to you in a contract, then it's your own fault.
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i don't think griefer would be the term i'd use.
noob comes to mind.
it makes me smile to feel that superior to someone covered in noobness - especially someone who actually gloats about being that incredibly weak.
THIS is why a lot of eve players believe they're better than the rest of the world -- weaksauced noobs thinking they're gods and accomplishing something from preying upon carebears.
i completely agree that it's a playstyle, being a weaksauced noob certainly IS a playstyle.
for the record, noob isn't just for people brand new to a game. the weaksauce-enhanced term - noob, pretty much applies to anyone that resembles a chronic-buffoon in a game, the cowardly, etc.
it's like being conan, watching some mugger beat up a one-armed, blind, 80-year old woman on crutches. for those keeping track, the mugger would be someone like what the quoted person describes, the 80-year old lady would be the carebear. THEN, conan chasing down the mugger as the mugger runs off crying and whining into the darkness.
yeah, it's sorta like that.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
It's only a video game you retard. Killing you in a game =/= killing you in RL.... SERIOUSLY GET A FREAKIN GRIP.
the comparison had already been made about how you can do anything in eve, just like in real life.
this post seems to have been a follow up on that comparison.
judging from your reply, i'd have to say GBTW.
thanks, drive thru.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.
Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.
i think you've confused 'carebear' with 'goonswarm'.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.
Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.
To be honest it's your reply that sounds crappy. RL threaths and things that you say carebears do are against the rules and would result in a quick ban if petitioned for harrassment. To say that this is the standard practice of carebears is simply bullshit, you are out of touch, that things happen in your phantasy but not in game.
Your hate against carebears can be explained with jealosy, they have stuff that you will never own, so you think you must ruin their gameplay. And the anger in game is not even because of highsec-griefing itself. It's because it can be done almost for free with current ship prices and the insurance mechanics. Grief others at basically no cost. Usually this is done by 13 year old retards who don't stand a chance in pvp, against ships that are fitted for pvp, so they have to blow up a mining ship which can't shoot back, to have their daily dosis of success and to feel "l33t".
Back to topic: it's not my intention to give the game a bad rep. It's still the best MMO out there, and all that anger would not happen if there wasn't a harsh "death penalty" which adds a lot to the thrill of the game. Only those to who the game means something, will have any emotions about it at all (be it bad or good ones).Other than in many other mmos, in EvE someone can have a certain power over others (very limited, but since they can affect them emotionally they have a certain power) - and it is like in rl - not everyone can handle power.
It's just like someone way above said, the degeneration of society causes a lots of bastards that see their purpose of life to in harming others - and since in real life they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that - harass and grief others for fun, even if they don't gain anything else than that griefing expirience.
Posting assumptions is never a good idea, I live in 0.0 and 99% of my fights are against pvp fitted ships, as for stuff I would never own I have had and thrown away most of the stuff carebears treasure as well as supplying them with their dream faction mods for their CNRs, and your reference to the value of E-peen items reveals you to be a carebear yourself and you persist in being unable to separate activities in game from real life as you are adamant that people who kill pixels are wrong in the head IRL.
Further more your smack directed at me illustrates my point that the carebears are the ones full of anger and hatred probably born out of inadequacy in game because they feel their E-peen doesn't size up and they are unable to see that E-peen does not matter.
And as for being "out of touch" I'm not the one that just posted on these forums going "OMFG there is unconsentual pvp in EVE"
what carebears are you killing in 0.0?
cmon now, tell the truth, you're one of the *people* that sucicide gank in empire and aren't doing a great job of hiding it.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
i would have to disagree with a suicide ganker being a pirate. a suicide ganker is a noobishly weaksauced coward that wouldn't have the balls to try to take someone on in low sec, much less venture into 0.0.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
In WoW there are more PvP servers then PvE servers ( and thus more PvP players ), it has been like this since release. Please get your facts straight.
Greetz
In fact there are 108 pvp/RP pvp realms out of 226. Therefore there are 10 more PVE realms. Please get your facts straight.
then look at the CCP stats and compare the number of folks living in high sec, to those living in low sec and 0.0.
who cares about wow? not i.
but, the numbers ccp put out, about eve-online, show that most folks live and play in high sec.
but if you guys are so fascinated with wow, you could always GBTW.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
so, you're part of the sucide gank squad? because that's not blowing up ships and enjoying the explosions.
i too like to blow up ships. but i'm not skeered to risk losing my ship, nor do i feel the need to try and pick on young pilots or carebears.
guess you lose.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.
Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.
To be honest it's your reply that sounds crappy. RL threaths and things that you say carebears do are against the rules and would result in a quick ban if petitioned for harrassment. To say that this is the standard practice of carebears is simply bullshit, you are out of touch, that things happen in your phantasy but not in game.
Your hate against carebears can be explained with jealosy, they have stuff that you will never own, so you think you must ruin their gameplay. And the anger in game is not even because of highsec-griefing itself. It's because it can be done almost for free with current ship prices and the insurance mechanics. Grief others at basically no cost. Usually this is done by 13 year old retards who don't stand a chance in pvp, against ships that are fitted for pvp, so they have to blow up a mining ship which can't shoot back, to have their daily dosis of success and to feel "l33t".
Back to topic: it's not my intention to give the game a bad rep. It's still the best MMO out there, and all that anger would not happen if there wasn't a harsh "death penalty" which adds a lot to the thrill of the game. Only those to who the game means something, will have any emotions about it at all (be it bad or good ones).Other than in many other mmos, in EvE someone can have a certain power over others (very limited, but since they can affect them emotionally they have a certain power) - and it is like in rl - not everyone can handle power.
It's just like someone way above said, the degeneration of society causes a lots of bastards that see their purpose of life to in harming others - and since in real life they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that - harass and grief others for fun, even if they don't gain anything else than that griefing expirience.
Posting assumptions is never a good idea, I live in 0.0 and 99% of my fights are against pvp fitted ships, as for stuff I would never own I have had and thrown away most of the stuff carebears treasure as well as supplying them with their dream faction mods for their CNRs, and your reference to the value of E-peen items reveals you to be a carebear yourself and you persist in being unable to separate activities in game from real life as you are adamant that people who kill pixels are wrong in the head IRL.
Further more your smack directed at me illustrates my point that the carebears are the ones full of anger and hatred probably born out of inadequacy in game because they feel their E-peen doesn't size up and they are unable to see that E-peen does not matter.
And as for being "out of touch" I'm not the one that just posted on these forums going "OMFG there is unconsentual pvp in EVE"
what carebears are you killing in 0.0?
cmon now, tell the truth, you're one of the *people* that sucicide gank in empire and aren't doing a great job of hiding it.
Shows how little you know about EVE tbh 0.0 is teeming with carebears.
PS holy quadrupletriplemegadoubleposting batman!!
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
In a world where you have all of space to hide in and where the police don’t really care, you are going to have bad people doing bad things, hell even dam right 'evil' things. Weather the player at the other end of the computer gets a kick out of being mean or not is largely relevant. Having such players only adds to the realism of this dark and hostile future.
Game = A game something FICTONAL where you have fun. It’s a GAME! People stop treating like it was for real. If you don’t like the open PvP nature of the game and it really upsets you that much then go play in another game where the world is not so open a free to do as you will. Eve is about as open and free gaming experience as you can find. It’s like freedom of expression people love it till someone say’s something they don’t like then they try as they might to stop the person’s freedom to express them self’s. Eve wouldn’t be Eve with out the freedom to kill/attack anyone at any time. If you think that’s not right or fair you’re playing the wrong game.
I’ve been killed jumping into low sec space 0.4 and totally owned. Now I was well pissed off but I didn’t start berating the guy OOC saying how I was going to do nasty things to his family or what ever. I told him that he was now black listed by my Corp and if they ever find him they’ll pin him down and cut him to pieces slowly over 10mins with Recon ships as he watches his beloved Battleship get destroyed and he’ll be poded. All nasty if they ever find him but well with in the confines of the game and still trying to keep to the atmosphere of the game.
Eve rocks! If you don't like it your a a 12 year old, or have the mental age of one, with the attention span of a goldfish! We are so glad your not screwing up the greatest MMORPG to date! Or of course you just might not like this kind of game ;D ...weirdos!
Life is harsh.....so is Eve
fact - combine the number of players living and playing in 0.0 with the ones in low sec, and you still have far less than the number of players living and playing in high sec. (see ccp's numbers)
fact - ccp is a company which is out to make a profit, and continue to make a profit for years in the future.
opinion - alienating the majority of your paying customer base is not a wise thing to do. (how many people still hate soe and everything soe related because of swg? not because of all the other soe-related games that smed has ruined, but swg?)
fact - ccp is going out of it's way to improve customer relations and foster good will in the player community. see the current elections for an example.
opinion - from cursory perusal of the mission forum on eve-o, it seems that "mission runners" are not looking for or anticipating pvp missions. heck, there's a couple of threads around the top (as i look right now) asking about how much mission runners have to worry about being scanned down and ganked in missions.
fact - every sentient being will have opinions. this does not imply that these opinions will be 1 - intelligent, 2 - correct, or 3 - profitable.
opinion - based on that last, opinions don't really mean shit.
fact - any forum player "poll" on eve-o forums can have all 3 toons on an account voting, or all 3 toons on each account owned by a player voting. so, a poll with 500 or so characters complaining about an item, could actually just be 166 or so players on all 3 of their accounts' toons, complaining. a 1,000 character petition could actually only be around 333 players. aren't the subs up to 150k or more? that would be a very vocal minority voting on a poll.
now everyone can have their opinion on this and that and the other. the facts are that the vast majority of eve's players live in high sec space.
if i were a dev, i would be very careful about anything i do that disrupts the fun of the majority of my players. keep in mind also, that for all the "fun" in pvp that everyone claims to have -- the devs themselves state pvp is incredibly broken and they are doing their damndest to figure out how to fix it. they're not just talking about blob wars. heat is not an attempt to fix blobbing. so if you like pvp as it is now, you should love it when the devs finally have it working "correctly". if you hate pvp now, perhaps when pvp is fixed a tad more, then you wouldn't mind some pvp mixed in with your high-sec whatevering.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I'd just like to clarify that I hope and want Eve to keep evolving. I didn't mean in my last post that Eve should not be improved upon at any point, when i said it's 'exactly how the creators want it to be'. My rant was about all the people who come on to forums to flam the game and it's players. There is a reason this game is rated in the top 5 MMORPG's there is a reason why it's won countless online and magazine awards for it being one of the best MMORP's to date.
If you don't get why Eve is rated so highly then it is simply because the game is not to your taste or style. It has nothing to do with it being a bad game or being ruined by evil ganking social r-tarded players. What could be damaging to Eve is all the idiots that don't get it and flame it on forums like MMORPG. I'm all for constructive criticism and pointing out why you found the game not to be to your tastes. That way people who haven't tried the awesome gaming experience of Eve can actually make an informed decision as to whether the game is for them or not.
Eve rocks! If you don't like it your a a 12 year old, or have the mental age of one, with the attention span of a goldfish! We are so glad your not screwing up the greatest MMORPG to date! Or of course you just might not like this kind of game ;D ...weirdos!
Fact- the high sec population is transient and most purely high sec dwellers (not low sec or 0.0 player alts) don't stay longer than three to nine months (average account life is 7 months) but 0.0 players usually stay around for several years, CCP know which side their bread is buttered and will stick with the pvp crowd as that's the games major attraction.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
This is a most important post by thread starter, so thank you for that.
EvE isn't what it used to be, no.
I remember the old game, oh it was beautiful. No matter what you did, you knew you was, safe as long as you stayed beyond 0.5. The good people stayed on this sector, granted making less money, and the not so good people, or those tired of jhigh sec could take their chances in low, or 0.0.
Why CCP had to change that, I'll never know. But the game makes no sense anymore. No where to hide from either gankers, gooners, or wankers. I used to have two accounts on EvE, now I have none. And as far as I'm concerned EvE isn't a beutiful game anymore.
I believe that you have to have some sort of evil inside you, to go and gank somebody's hauler for no good reason at all, and then flame them afterwards.
Osama Bin Laden plays EvE.
I want no part of it anymore.
Goodbye.
I take it you never witnessed or heard of mines being dropped in the undocking traffic jams at high sec trade hubs? or pre buffed concord being tanked by a whole corp who where ganking everything in sight in Yulai? (Jita mk I) This kind of stuff is nothing new and has existed since the servers opened and CCP have responded by making it more difficult but still keeping within the original ethos.And as for ganking a hauler for no reason there is a very good reason, it has goodies inside.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
Oh dear, way to go and prove my point.
Now the remark about it being the cricket of the MMORPG could be a fair point if not done in such away as to try and make out the game to be bad because of it. Millions of people love to watch, play, and enjoy cricket, but it's not everyone’s game. It's not often a game for 12 year olds and people with the attention span of a goldfish, in a lot of ways much like Eve. So your point is kind of constructive, if done in a totally infantile way. Eve has never been about quick frills and fast paced action, and it's never been sold as such or been said to be such... well not that I've read here on the forums.
Eve was never about being safe! Read the game world it was totally NOT the feel they where going for. The constant tension at the back of your mind that you could be killed at any moment is half of the fun! To be honest I've never been killed in anything but 0.4 space and bellow. You might get ganked if your afk mining or some such, but if your paying attention you can see trouble before it even gets it's guns locked on you. Also it’s totally with in the game parameters a pirate would go for easy to find, easy to kill targets, that are undefended and have lots of useful cargo to nick. Like miners, why would a pirate do all the hard mining when he can just raid some poor shmuck who’s not paying attention or taking the right processions. Mining belts are not safe areas no matter the sec security they are NOT policed.
If you don’t like Eve's open PvP which has always existed anywhere in the game, from word go, then what the hell are you doing buying or downloading it in the first place!? I refer to my earlier post. Don’t whine about something that was clearly advised, and is a large factor of what makes Eve so individual and successful. One server for all players, total open PvP anywhere in the game. There are not many MMORPG's that enforce such freedom, and there for such a realistically open world for you to play in.
Eve is great because it's not like any other MMORPG it's individual and bloody well done, IF you like that sort of game, if you don't then fair play.
Eve is not for everyone, but that does not make it a bad game.
I hate WoW but I can see why it appeals to people with short attention spans, a younger market, or just people into fast paced action packed MMORPG world. It is like a violent Disney cartoon world on speed. It could be likened to American football of the MMORPG world: Bright colours (spelt the right way thank you ;D), fast paced action, simple rules with a simple objective. Or better yet WWF or WWE or any of the other bad wrestling TV shows from the USA.
The continued poorly thought out, badly formed, none-constructive criticism and flaming that this game gets only illustrated that this game is for a calmer, intelligent, not always but mostly likely mature player (late 20's+ or so). Now this is not to say all Eve players full under this demographic but in my experience of the game it tends to be the case. If your young and/or have a short attention span you will hate this game, if you young and/or easily angered by death in PvP then you will most likely hate this game. If you for fill both, avoid this game like the plague you'll most likely hate it with every fibre of your body.
Try and have the maturity to see that this game is very well done, you might hate it and your experience of it may have sucked for many reasons; some due to your inexperience as the player, some to do with the game system, and some to do with the community, but why not try and express that like an adult. Not like a 6 year old who didn't get his way and is now balling his eyes out to his mummy "I hate it! I hate it! I don’t want to go, WAAA WAAA!" if you look at your post they pretty much boil down to that sort of child like response to something that has upset you. Grow up please.
See guys what I just put up is maybe flaming you, but it is also constructive criticism that will enable people who have not played this game to make a real and informed choice about it before they even think about playing. However I doubt you’ll have the patience to read this post so it’ll most likely land on deaf ears on your part.
Oh sorry for the caps and enlarged letters, but it was done in hopes that people with short attention spans might at least get the very basic point I was making.
Eve rocks! If you don't like it your a a 12 year old, or have the mental age of one, with the attention span of a goldfish! We are so glad your not screwing up the greatest MMORPG to date! Or of course you just might not like this kind of game ;D ...weirdos!
EVE Online is great for weeding out the sociopaths in society. Some people need to be reminded that there is a real person behind the computer controlling every ship (unless you are a cheater and using a bot, but that's another story).
The replies in this thraed have done an excellent job of proving the OP's point. Merely because you can do something doesn't mean you should nor does it make it right. Ruining someone elses gameplay through griefplay is wrong; people play games to enjoy themselves not to become someone else's entertainment.
People in organizations like Goonsquad are cowardly sociopaths. They know that if they acted like they do online in real life, that they'd get there rear-ends kicked by someone bigger and stronger. As a result, their insecurities in real-life drive them to feel the need to prove themselves in some virtual world. They take perverse pleasure in causing others to suffer. You say it's just a game but you forget that there are still real people involved.
If anything, it's the hardcore EVE players who have forgotten that it's a game. I've seen instances where rival corporations hack into each other's real-life computers outside of the game in some e-peen contest over virtual assets. I've seen corporations that actually require their mebmers to play a certain amount of hours a week and actually take on a job (I already have a *PAYING* job in real-life; I'm not interested in paying a monthly fee to have a second one). I've seen people go so far as to forge e-mails and IMs outside of the game to gather "intelligence" on rival corporations.
When most people think of the worst MMO community, World of Warcraft comes to mind. But it can't hold a candle to EVE. World of Warcraft is full of immature children. EVE Online's community is just downright nasty. It's full of an unrivled amount of vitriol and vindictiveness. Given EVE's tendency to attract misfits and sociopaths, It's only a matter of time before all of that spills over into the real world. I serioulsy wouldn't be surprised if a real-life murder or assault ended up being related to something that happened in EVE. And that's scary.
But does the fact that it is possible to do and wrong, and that there are antisocial (or just differently social) people around, mean the organizers need to change their game?
Especially to change the very foundation base, the freedom of both choice and consequences, of the game?
No.
There are numerous ways to avoid getting constantly ganked, and the primary reason for the outcry is because people who have been populating the high-security areas have never thought they needed to learn them, even in the most basic form. After all, NPCs never warp in after you, they don't generally camp high-security gates and stations, and most importantly, they aren't unpredictable. Players do, will, and are.
Truth is, high-security 'safety' has always been an illusion. The only reason people haven't been ganked there en-masse before was because there was little reason to, and the profits had to overshadow losses if you did do it. Goonies decided to change that, and, like so many times before, they changed the status quo, and revealed the illusion for what it was. Does this make them evil? Maybe. Does it mean they are all bad people? No.
Yes, there are bad people in RL. There are bad people in EVE. Most likely, one does not imply the other, nor does someone's ganking your hauler in high-sec automatically mean they are a complete no-life retard douche. It may be an indicator, but at leats imo the jury's still out. Perhaps they work at an orphanage, or give free kittens to people in RL. Perhaps they are mean, sadistic bastards on EVE and literally saints on the streets. Who knows?
Or perhaps every goonswarm empireganker is really a sociopath serial killer trying to find out your address so they can come to your house and rape your cat in retaliation for killing their pod last night. Rabble rabble rabble!
For the closure, I'd like to give everyone the old mantra. Whenever life gets you down, whenever your pods blow up in your face and your wallet seems to empty to an endless line of replacement ships, parts, clones and implants, just breathe deep, close your eyes, and repeat for thirty minutes:
"It is only a game."
You simply fail to see how intricate and detailed the game is. You lack the intelligence to properly connect to this game./sarcasim off.
Op forget the worst part of EvE, the elitist attitude of many of the vets. Rekindles reply sums it up quite nicely.
Another example; an issue that is being brought up over and over again is why low-sec is so empty in EvE and what can done about it. And the typical ganker answer and "solution" is that:
"Low-sec is fine, nerf High-sec, no lvl 4 missions in High-sec etc.."
When the problem is that low-sec can at times be sealed off from high-sec by gate-camping. A tactic usually reserved for Alliance warfare. But somehow the gate-campers fail to see that and blame mission runners for not coming to low-sec and be easy targets.
To the other chap before Fin,
Do you know what a sociopath is? Because I think you've confused it with a bully or a psychopath. Bullies are not typically sociopaths there just what you described a sociopath to be. A sociopath is (very basically as mental illness is very complex) someone who has been mentally scared by a traumatic event or twisted upbringing. They don’t live by the same social rules that we do. They can be erratic, strange and most often quite dangerous, and will most likely not run away like a coward in RL, they are more likely try and turn you into FUBAR.
There more dangerous than you garden verity psychopath who just doesn’t feel any emotional connection to...well anything really. A psychopath can lead a normal and ‘healthy’ life; even if they do tend to end up as cut throat business men/women, lawyers etc. It doesn’t denote that they will be a serial killer. A sociopath is generally a lot more dangerous or at least more volatile and unpradictable because they don’t live by the normal social rules. So what I’m saying is if anything the 'evil' gankers on Eve are actually more likely to be Psychopaths and not sociopaths. It always helps to get your facts right.
“Hahaha you noob I so owned you!” Is not harassment or of a personal nature. If you got killed and got really personal and nasty flaming you should have reported to the Eve GM’s right away. However I’m guessing that you also gave the ganker in question a verbal torrent of abuse ether first or back, making you just as guilty for poetically breaking the code of conduct rules in return. But in my experience it’s normally the victim who starts such flaming matches, normally starts with something like. “OMFG!!! why did you do that, that’s not fair I’m a noob what’s wrong with you? Did you Daddy abuse you when you where a kid?” Or some other such remark that’s totally uncalled for. It also happens to be of a personal nature. You think it’s witty and cleaver but it’s not, it’s just derogatory and insensitive as well as demeaning to thoughts people that have live and suffer thought such horrors.
Eve rocks! If you don't like it your a a 12 year old, or have the mental age of one, with the attention span of a goldfish! We are so glad your not screwing up the greatest MMORPG to date! Or of course you just might not like this kind of game ;D ...weirdos!
Armchair psychology at it's worst. You barely have a grasp on the true meaning of Psychopath, yet "try" and explain both. Time for some more expert psychological information.
Psychopath = Sociopath. There is no distinction between the two. Sociopath is just another word for Psychopath. They're both characterized by an individual who has no moral compass when it comes to dealing with others. Therefore, butchering, raping, lying to others is completely normal for them. They just don't show emotion when doing bad things to other people. What makes it hard to diagnose these people before they act, is that a lot of them typically have extremely good social skills that allows them to function in society. Usually, they just live ordinary lives, thus not drawing attention to true actions.
Prime example is Dennis Rader (BTK killer) that lived a normal life of active church membership, teaching boy scouts, and being successful in his job. Unbeknown to everyone is that he bound, tortured, and killed (BTK) 10 individuals in his past. Of course it was a shock to the Kansas community when his true identity was discovered. However, not all psychopaths are serial killers... some psychopaths never kill during their entire lives. (http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/portrait-of-psychopath)
When it comes to EvE... there is no indication that the people who are PK'ing are antisocial or not. They could be sociopaths. However, they could just be a-holes flexing their epeen at killing another player. Either way, they are actively taking actions against other people by blowing up something that the target had spent their own time in building (either through gaining isk to buy or building it themselves). Therefore, they are destroying other's work. True, that it isn't against the rules of this game for PK's to engage in this sort of actions. However, it still doesn't absolve the fact that said individuals are still harming others via PK'ing.
Also, madjimbob... stop flying off the handle at other's statements. If you want people to actually take you seriously (or read what you wrote for that matter), keep a calm head and put some thought into what you are writing.
I've heard enough good about Eve to hit the forums from time to time and think about playing it. But then I read all of the bad stuff about the game and that's where I stop in the process of becoming an Eve Player/Subscriber.
Sometimes, these boards make Eve sound like a cross between 2nd Life and Grand Theft Auto, honestly.
Aside from trying to figure out what mental issues the PK's might have, why not figure out a process to prevent it from happening again. If the game is working as intended, then perhaps the player simply needs a different game?
Just looking at this from the outside/in (potential player's perspective).
Only reason it seems griefing is becoming more common is EVE has alot more subscribers then it's early days.
It is a very populated game and of course considering most people suck....thus the griefing.
EVE is a total different game when you find a good corp/alliance. Noob space, and noob corps are annoying because as I said, most people suck.
All in all EVE is a very solid PVP MMO with tons of upcoming features to be released like (finally) Empire wars, and walking avatars.
The community still is by far the most mature of any mmo I've been in (on average) but of course as it has become more popular the bad apples seem more common.
The good thing about that is you have more incentive to blow them to pieces.
As for bitterness and hate you speak of, remember, eve is a PVP game. There is always the possability of PVP. PVP has loss. When people loose millions in a ship they get bitter. It's not a safe PVP game. Which is my favorite part. It's more realistic when you have something to risk.
SHOHADAKU
That's exactly what i don't get. People complain about other people shooting them, but they do not do anything to protect themselves.
Instead, they hit the forums.
I know how to protect myself from gankers. I know how to use all available means to gather intel. I know how to fit my ship so i don't get cought when i don't want to. I know how to deal with smacktalkers, and what to do when a player insults me (f12 -> petition).
If somone wants to be a pirate, then that's fine with me. Eve is advertised with the promise of harsh gameplay and pirates everywhere. It takes a bit of planning to avoid them, and that's what makes eve beautiful. It's a space survival game after all.
Sorry to say that, but comparing pirates in Eve with psychopaths is stupid. Wonder when godwins law will hit this thread..considering the amount of anger directed at people on the yarr-side of eve, it's only a matter of time.
CCP has strict rules against griefplay, and insulting others is against the rules, too. If you don't know how to deal with them, or fail at avoiding getting ganked, killed, humihilated and your corpse sent back to you in a contract, then it's your own fault.
Does godwins law apply when you use godwins law as a reference to it happening and thus obliquely refer to the content of the said law?