No MMO's shouldn't be ported to consoles. Why plague the console kiddies with more crappy games? Once companies start making quality MMO's then they should port to consoles. Otherwise it is just an excuse not to innovate since the console players probably won't be as experienced with MMO's and won't ask for as much. If I was a game designer that wanted money I would definately port to consoles. I could release crap clones that would probably be picked up and played for lack of alternatives. Maybe the TESO will be on PC and consoles. To the people arguing about price and upgrading your PC. I have had mine around 5 years with the only upgrade being the video card which cost around $100. I can play pretty much any game that is on console and pc at highest settings at 1024x768, which I think is what most ps3/360 games can play at max. I'm only running a 7600GT. Even with my old video card I could play any game out there, just not on high settings. Then again I really couldn't care less about graphics.
I have a 7600 gt as well, and its next to impossible running some of the newer games as even the lowest settings (Age of Conan, my worst nightmare) But with some other parts it can work fine (2 gig ram i tried raised FPS dramatically)
Anyways, mmos on consoles are great IF they are taken time to make a great control sytem.
Some people say that since you can connect a keyboard and mouse to a console, you can play any pc mmo, doesn't that basically make the console a pc? (A pc without modding,internet, and any pc features of course) I don't know the exact definition of the pc, but the only difference is the interface, the ability to change some parts, and downloading.
But consoles are getting closer to more freedom, as the PS3 has a internet browser already (though its not the best)
Game companies want to make money, plain and simple. If they had an mmo that had a great control scheme, and was fluent as a PC mmo, with advertising people would want to buy it.
Actually I'm not sure what its about. The original poster changes his arguement. I was specifically comment about the sloppy controls comment these guys make. I'm just saying properly done a MMO properly developed to use a controller will be just as effective as keyboard and mouse. I think its funny that one of them throws thier old console away when they get a new one. The PS2 and first xbox still have games being released for them. I'd like to see anybody come up with a gaming rig for 600 dollars. Thats hilarious.
The PS2 gets new games the xbox stopped getting new one shortly after the 360 came out.
I would like mmos for consoles i think it would be intersting how they do it.
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What about Star Wars Galaxies? I vaguely remember people hyping the NGE and swearing it was going to be on PS2 or was it PS3???
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These conversations always go toward the keyboard + mouse vs. controller debate. Long ago, I figured out that PC gamers think the gamepad is inferior because they suck at using it and vice versa for console gamers. I happen to be competent with both so the entire argument is retarded in my opinion. It's the gamer, not the controller.
As for the moron that claimed that you couldn't change console games... If you can update, you can change anything. You're still stuck within the hardware limitations of the console you're working with, but If you can figure out a way to optimize the graphics engine to shoehorn in a few more bells and whistles then you're free to change that. And since gameplay is separate from graphics it's supremely boneheaded to claim that you can't change anything about gameplay. You can make doom turn based on the SNES is you wanted to. Or you could add the ability to lean around corners. I don't know why you think that a platform that allows patching wouldn't be able to make the same gameplay changes as a PC game.
No, simple. The console is far to unweildly for any standard MMO out today. The games would need to be dumbed down and modified from their origional vision to satisfy the console market. I for one don't want my chosen MMO changed to cater to a less capable machine. I don't want development time being put into something like this that could be put into quality content or bug fixes. Now if an MMO was made for the console market that would be fine but these MMOs made from the ground up for the console are much different beasts than a PC MMO. I am not saying they are better or worse but the design choices will always be different until a console is released that is simply a PC in a ready made box.
What consoles are you talking about? You speak of mmo's being "dumbed down and modified" for less capable machines? While I agree, if you look at it from a pure hardware standpoint, the consoles are inferior. However, that's not the way it works. As I've said before, console games usually run games much better then pc's as they are held to a higher standard for release. In addition, they are made for one set of hardware, as opposed to pc development where scaling for low end machines is a constant battle. I have a pretty strong pc and most new games that are for both 360 and my pc, play much more smoothly on the 360. PC developers know that they can get away with putting out a buggy piece of shit and patch the hell out of it later.
As far as the controller vs. mouse and keyboard, i for one hate controllers. It's hard as shit to play with. One can only hope for more mouse and keyboard support in console games...lol
yes port one to the psp, that'll be darn great.(till the battery runs out)
I don't think we are referring to psps as a console for mmos.
I don't think it will even work, even with bad graphics it would be a major lag fest, if it had any players.
While people are saying games will be "dumbed down", if you had a simple keyboard, you can basically play the mmo the same as it is on the computer. Consoles are a great alternative to people who want to play great games, graphics and gameplay, without shelling out big dollars.
Take a game with low graphic requirements, WoW for example, that would run with no difficulty on the xbox 360. If there was a package that already came with a wired/wireless keyboard/and mouse, it would be fun to run around ganking people on your large tv, on the sofa, either using a controller or mouse.
No mmos should not be ported to consoles if they were designed for the PC first, and then adapted for the console like for instance Age of Conan is being.
If you are going to make an mmo for the console you should make it for the console only and not give it to PC users. As a PC will always have a different type of gamer using them. PC games tend to be more complicated, and be a different design to accomadate PC gamers who tend to want more in their games.
We really do not need games designed for PC being dumbed down so console gamers can play them. I am sure there are quite a lot of console gamers that are not so stupid that even WoW is complicated for them, but the developers of console games seem to have different ideas. For instance Morrowind comes to mind as a PC game that was dumbed down in its sequal to accomodate console users as a whole.
The control scheme is not a problem for consoles. If keyboard was really needed for say an XBOX mmo, then Microsoft would make a keyboard for the XBOX. There are a lot of games that can be easily adapted to the consoles controllers, and the only benifit a PC has over them is the varied methods of communication. A console would be stuck with a VOIP software.
WoW could be used with an Xbox controller, similar to the way macros work you can have the buttons on a console react differently when they are pressed multiple times. Or like Conan if you have a combo system, that can easily be adapted to both PC and Console controllers.
The only real issue with PC to Console ports is developers always without fail dumbing down or limiting the game to accommade console users or the console hardware in general which is why Console ports to PC and PC ports to console are always crap games, or dumbed down to the point they are worse than the orginal version.
as this is on an internet forum AND a mmo forum. most people will be PC players who hate console controls. but worldwide the majority of people much prefer contoller to keyboard and mouse.
and as to the "mmo's wouldn't work on controllers" I just dont think thats true, it wouldn't be very hard. and anyway console users can use keyboard and mouse + headset, and pc users can use controller.
so deciding which platform a game would work on really has nothing to do with controlls.
thats the dumbest thing I've ever read. I will laugh HARD when his predictions fall flat on thier face. based on that fact that wow is so popular he says consoles will just die. yeah nice. now imagine if wow was on console. it would be at least twice as big.
imo which I've posted before, as consoles specialise in things other than playing games and PCs specialise more into playing games PC gaming and console gaming will merge.
You know, it's kinda funny that someone mentioned the PSP....
I just recently started playing Monster Hunter Freedom 2. This game has one of the longest tutorials I've ever seen. Seriously, the tutorial in this game rivals Eve Online in its length and learning curve. Plus the game is multiplayer online. Yes, you're limited to four players and VOIP, but they certainly didn't sacrifice anything in the gameplay department.
I've always been kinda confused about the whole "dumbed down" argument. Sim City actually had things added to it when they ported it to the SNES. I remember playing Sim Earth on the SNES. I also remember a version of Civ 2 on the PSOne. Have any of you actually played Final Fantasy Tactics or Romance of The Three Kingdoms? Honestly, what makes you think that just because something is on the PC that it automatically requires a membership in the MENSA club?
I don't see a reason why they should not be able to be played on consoles.. considering consoles have keyboards now. I own computer and console games.. what difference does it make? I can play a game on my laptop, computer , or xbox360 does it affect the game? i wouldn't think so since consoles these days are capable of so much more than they used to be.
Ozias is completely right ine erything he posted. I am also sick of upgrading my PC once a year just so I can play games. I am a bargain hunter so I never go top of the line and I always look for a good deal but I usually spend a few hundred dollars a year on average on upgrading my comp. Some years I don't upgrade but then other years i end up having to buy a whole new comp, so it evens out that I spend a lot of money on my comp. Add on that the games might not actually work or run like poo and it boils down to this
I am sick of playing games on computers.
All the other stuff I do on my computer doesn't take high end hardware. If i didn't game on my PC I could run the same PC for 5 years. It would be really cool if someone made a console that could do some of the other stuff PC's do like word processing.
I pray MMO's go to consoles, then i would have an excuse to buy one of the new ones. With just one console it would be easier for developers to make the games therefore less bugs, more polished games, more users, more money for developers, which would hopefully mean better games.
New gen consoles have USB ports so they can use a keyboard & mouse, I don't know wtf you guys are talking about clumsy controls. I played Everquest adentures on my Ps2 with a keyboard and never used the controller.
While we are at it lets put the strategy games I love on console too, then i won't ever have to buy a PC again.
My PS3 has wireless internet connection and it supports almost every USB device known to man (The "but you have to use a controller" argument has gone out the window so feel free to bash any ignorant fool who plays that card". It has an internet browser and a hard drive...
Don't get me wrong. I love my PC, but people saying that consoles can't do MMOs are very misinformed.
I am sure it will work just fine. But I pity those on playing on consoles for being stuck with one type of interface while the one playing the same game on PC can downloads mods etc to improve their experience.
Then again consoles are becoming more and more PC-like for every generation. So not even in interface and graphic will be at disadvantage for the console players.
The best games are those developed first on PC and then ported to consoles, like Civ 4, Age of Conan and Baldurs Gate. But even that takes a year and AoC on xbox will not be seen this year.
The opposite, porting Games from a console with little or no modification to PC is a big no no.
Is this a serious question??? MMO's for consoles?? Lol...what a waste. The controls would be sloppy as hell, i don't even see how the interface could be user friendly with the clumsyness of an xbox/ps3 controller. It would be destined for failure from the start.
I think an mmo worked from the ground up to be designed for a console could work just fine. I don't think porting that same mmo to a PC, or a PC mmo to a console will be too great though.
i agree. Going through menus, choosing items, etc would be too hard for the limited buttons on a console controler. I love console games, i love PC games, but i agree making an MMO ground up for a console would be the way to go. I remember playing EQ Online Adventures and just not liking it. It was almost impossible to interact with people in that game unless you had the USB keyboard that hooked into a PS2. With the 360 headset, though, i think chatting could be alot easier than days of really no headset for PS2. The headset that you could buy for it, tho, was pretty un standard compared to the xbox one
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I have a 7600 gt as well, and its next to impossible running some of the newer games as even the lowest settings (Age of Conan, my worst nightmare) But with some other parts it can work fine (2 gig ram i tried raised FPS dramatically)
Anyways, mmos on consoles are great IF they are taken time to make a great control sytem.
Some people say that since you can connect a keyboard and mouse to a console, you can play any pc mmo, doesn't that basically make the console a pc? (A pc without modding,internet, and any pc features of course) I don't know the exact definition of the pc, but the only difference is the interface, the ability to change some parts, and downloading.
But consoles are getting closer to more freedom, as the PS3 has a internet browser already (though its not the best)
Game companies want to make money, plain and simple. If they had an mmo that had a great control scheme, and was fluent as a PC mmo, with advertising people would want to buy it.
I would like mmos for consoles i think it would be intersting how they do it.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
What about Star Wars Galaxies? I vaguely remember people hyping the NGE and swearing it was going to be on PS2 or was it PS3???
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
These conversations always go toward the keyboard + mouse vs. controller debate. Long ago, I figured out that PC gamers think the gamepad is inferior because they suck at using it and vice versa for console gamers. I happen to be competent with both so the entire argument is retarded in my opinion. It's the gamer, not the controller.
As for the moron that claimed that you couldn't change console games... If you can update, you can change anything. You're still stuck within the hardware limitations of the console you're working with, but If you can figure out a way to optimize the graphics engine to shoehorn in a few more bells and whistles then you're free to change that. And since gameplay is separate from graphics it's supremely boneheaded to claim that you can't change anything about gameplay. You can make doom turn based on the SNES is you wanted to. Or you could add the ability to lean around corners. I don't know why you think that a platform that allows patching wouldn't be able to make the same gameplay changes as a PC game.
As far as the controller vs. mouse and keyboard, i for one hate controllers. It's hard as shit to play with. One can only hope for more mouse and keyboard support in console games...lol
yes port one to the psp, that'll be darn great.(till the battery runs out)
I don't think we are referring to psps as a console for mmos.
I don't think it will even work, even with bad graphics it would be a major lag fest, if it had any players.
While people are saying games will be "dumbed down", if you had a simple keyboard, you can basically play the mmo the same as it is on the computer. Consoles are a great alternative to people who want to play great games, graphics and gameplay, without shelling out big dollars.
Take a game with low graphic requirements, WoW for example, that would run with no difficulty on the xbox 360. If there was a package that already came with a wired/wireless keyboard/and mouse, it would be fun to run around ganking people on your large tv, on the sofa, either using a controller or mouse.
I don't know it maybe able to be made to run an older mmo.By the way anyone remember Phantasy Star Online? That was a mmo for the Dreamcast. Not sure it was strictly 'mmo' though.
No mmos should not be ported to consoles if they were designed for the PC first, and then adapted for the console like for instance Age of Conan is being.
If you are going to make an mmo for the console you should make it for the console only and not give it to PC users. As a PC will always have a different type of gamer using them. PC games tend to be more complicated, and be a different design to accomadate PC gamers who tend to want more in their games.
We really do not need games designed for PC being dumbed down so console gamers can play them. I am sure there are quite a lot of console gamers that are not so stupid that even WoW is complicated for them, but the developers of console games seem to have different ideas. For instance Morrowind comes to mind as a PC game that was dumbed down in its sequal to accomodate console users as a whole.
The control scheme is not a problem for consoles. If keyboard was really needed for say an XBOX mmo, then Microsoft would make a keyboard for the XBOX. There are a lot of games that can be easily adapted to the consoles controllers, and the only benifit a PC has over them is the varied methods of communication. A console would be stuck with a VOIP software.
WoW could be used with an Xbox controller, similar to the way macros work you can have the buttons on a console react differently when they are pressed multiple times. Or like Conan if you have a combo system, that can easily be adapted to both PC and Console controllers.
The only real issue with PC to Console ports is developers always without fail dumbing down or limiting the game to accommade console users or the console hardware in general which is why Console ports to PC and PC ports to console are always crap games, or dumbed down to the point they are worse than the orginal version.
yes. but I dont nessarily prefer consoles.
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as this is on an internet forum AND a mmo forum. most people will be PC players who hate console controls. but worldwide the majority of people much prefer contoller to keyboard and mouse.
and as to the "mmo's wouldn't work on controllers" I just dont think thats true, it wouldn't be very hard. and anyway console users can use keyboard and mouse + headset, and pc users can use controller.
so deciding which platform a game would work on really has nothing to do with controlls.
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imo which I've posted before, as consoles specialise in things other than playing games and PCs specialise more into playing games PC gaming and console gaming will merge.
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You know, it's kinda funny that someone mentioned the PSP....
I just recently started playing Monster Hunter Freedom 2. This game has one of the longest tutorials I've ever seen. Seriously, the tutorial in this game rivals Eve Online in its length and learning curve. Plus the game is multiplayer online. Yes, you're limited to four players and VOIP, but they certainly didn't sacrifice anything in the gameplay department.
I've always been kinda confused about the whole "dumbed down" argument. Sim City actually had things added to it when they ported it to the SNES. I remember playing Sim Earth on the SNES. I also remember a version of Civ 2 on the PSOne. Have any of you actually played Final Fantasy Tactics or Romance of The Three Kingdoms? Honestly, what makes you think that just because something is on the PC that it automatically requires a membership in the MENSA club?
Get over yourself.
I don't see a reason why they should not be able to be played on consoles.. considering consoles have keyboards now. I own computer and console games.. what difference does it make? I can play a game on my laptop, computer , or xbox360 does it affect the game? i wouldn't think so since consoles these days are capable of so much more than they used to be.
Ozias is completely right ine erything he posted. I am also sick of upgrading my PC once a year just so I can play games. I am a bargain hunter so I never go top of the line and I always look for a good deal but I usually spend a few hundred dollars a year on average on upgrading my comp. Some years I don't upgrade but then other years i end up having to buy a whole new comp, so it evens out that I spend a lot of money on my comp. Add on that the games might not actually work or run like poo and it boils down to this
I am sick of playing games on computers.
All the other stuff I do on my computer doesn't take high end hardware. If i didn't game on my PC I could run the same PC for 5 years. It would be really cool if someone made a console that could do some of the other stuff PC's do like word processing.
I pray MMO's go to consoles, then i would have an excuse to buy one of the new ones. With just one console it would be easier for developers to make the games therefore less bugs, more polished games, more users, more money for developers, which would hopefully mean better games.
New gen consoles have USB ports so they can use a keyboard & mouse, I don't know wtf you guys are talking about clumsy controls. I played Everquest adentures on my Ps2 with a keyboard and never used the controller.
While we are at it lets put the strategy games I love on console too, then i won't ever have to buy a PC again.
My PS3 has wireless internet connection and it supports almost every USB device known to man (The "but you have to use a controller" argument has gone out the window so feel free to bash any ignorant fool who plays that card". It has an internet browser and a hard drive...
Don't get me wrong. I love my PC, but people saying that consoles can't do MMOs are very misinformed.
I am sure it will work just fine. But I pity those on playing on consoles for being stuck with one type of interface while the one playing the same game on PC can downloads mods etc to improve their experience.
Then again consoles are becoming more and more PC-like for every generation. So not even in interface and graphic will be at disadvantage for the console players.
The best games are those developed first on PC and then ported to consoles, like Civ 4, Age of Conan and Baldurs Gate.
But even that takes a year and AoC on xbox will not be seen this year.
The opposite, porting Games from a console with little or no modification to PC is a big no no.
A perfect example of which is AoC on every count.
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i agree. Going through menus, choosing items, etc would be too hard for the limited buttons on a console controler. I love console games, i love PC games, but i agree making an MMO ground up for a console would be the way to go. I remember playing EQ Online Adventures and just not liking it. It was almost impossible to interact with people in that game unless you had the USB keyboard that hooked into a PS2. With the 360 headset, though, i think chatting could be alot easier than days of really no headset for PS2. The headset that you could buy for it, tho, was pretty un standard compared to the xbox one
why does everyone keep forgetting that consoles have keyboards now ? there would be no difference... just go buy a keyboard lol.