Excellent! Well done for banning people who knew they were cheating
As for "it only being a game", so is chess, so is Football - when you play a game, you play ethically, hoping others will do the same. These tossers didn't. This "game" could be worth multi-millions, and both the company and the players expect a level playing field.
I wouldn't expect the company to waste their time trying to decide which particular coin in the bank came from legitimately playing, and which didn't. Why make work for yourself when you don't need to? I hope they lost tons of gear and loot!
It's actions like this one by Funcom that made our guild decide we're not going to play AOC.
Signed: Barry Bonds, Mark Macguire,Jose Canseco, Roger Clemmens, Ben Johnson, Joe Nikro, Diego Maradona, Tonya Harding
Excellent . Working as intended.
ALL mmorpgs ban exploiters and cheaters, not just Funcom., so quit whining. Blizzard just perma-banned 365,000 accounts last week, and there's less griping about that than there is about this very small ban!
Any company that bans cheaters goes up another notch imo. Keep it up Funcom!
Taking advantage of bug is STILL CHEATING! Every MMO vet knows they risk their account when exploiting. Never could figure out why people enjoy cheating in MMOs. Imagine playing Monopoly at home with rigged dice.
If the foul is bad enough a player can be handed the red card immediately, no second chance givenm out he goes. Like if a player knocked someone down on purpose with the ball nowhere near, he will get send off the pitch.
The players know clearly in soccer that tackling someone without going for the ball, they can get sent off. Its a clearly stated rule. If such rules weren't present, you would see lots of players and fans arguing every single tackle deemed possibly "not in the spirit of the game" or "unethical" or "exploiting game mechanics". If a particular action is not allowed in-game, include it in the rules, make it clear to all.
To the other poster, I'm not saying Funcom lists out precisely what to do, just mentioning that "exploiting the vendor position bug is a bannable offense" would make it clear cut what is not legitimate. I do know certain games that will not punish usage of game mechanics which were buggy, until they announce clearly that its an exploit, hence my concern here. The reason behind that company's action is: they are developers, they created the bugs, they fix them, its their responsibility not the players.
I've just read the new Funcom post on exploits, seems like they didn't do a thorough beta testing phase! But that's a given for MMORPG though.
"now they are looking into banning those involved for simply taking advantage of game play mechanic bugs"
That my friends is almost a dictionary definition exploit, simply amazes me that people think this is just fine.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
Agreed, if it was a few months after launch. But to do it in the first week or two... everything is still getting settled, they are still adjusting drops, xp, fixing bugs etc... not really the time in my mind. But oh well, I got your opinions, thanks guys.
Where the **** have you been since the game has been released? Funcom has done nothing, besides banning exploiters, releasing new patches that has fixed a lot. That they even added a performance increase in Lacheish Plains and Noble District in Tarantia means they even did that, along with fixing bugs.
Funcom has done nothing but supporting their playerbase so far, this is great. You sir, should come to Skøyen in Oslo and see what Funcom are doing at this moment.
Geez OP, you are giving cheaters a bad name. (if that's even possible). I've purchased game gold in L2, DAOC, WOW, and EVE. In every case I knew that if I was caught the possible consequences of it would be the loss of the goods (heh, CCP-EVE caught me and took it back, almost a year later) and perhaps the loss of my account. I would never come to these forums and whine about it.
You'll argue, but, but, this was just taking advantage of a bug the dev's overlooked in a new game. I'm afraid that there really isn't degrees of cheating, whether its taking severe advantage of an exploit, which I'm sure your friends were all quite aware they were doing, or hacking, or radaring or buying game gold. Its all cheating and it all detracts from other players enjoyment. (perhaps in varying degrees, but that's not really the defining measure here.)
So your friends learned a good lesson, and what did it cost them, 50 bucks? Not bad, the ISK I lost in EVE was worth 60. If they really enjoy the game and want to play they can buy another copy and start over, this time playing within the rules. You can bet in EVE I won't be purchasing any more ISK from any other method other than the company approved one. (and quite truthfully, the experience has dis-inclined me from considering the practice in AOC, especially since Funcom is starting out with a tough stance against cheating)
Oh yeah, about your argument that as an Engineer you only deal with math and numbers so your writing isn't important. I used to help hire civil engineeers and we routinely requested writing samples as part of their interviews and rejected candidates who obviously hadn't mastered the art. You might want to consider some remedial writing classes in the future if you wish to further your career.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care? Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!
[...snip...] To the other poster, I'm not saying Funcom lists out precisely what to do, just mentioning that "exploiting the vendor position bug is a bannable offense" would make it clear cut what is not legitimate. I do know certain games that will not punish usage of game mechanics which were buggy, until they announce clearly that its an exploit, hence my concern here. The reason behind that company's action is: they are developers, they created the bugs, they fix them, its their responsibility not the players. [...snip...]
Why should they announce the exploit? So that even more players that didn't know about would exploit it? And give Funcom even more work?
Why should they state that that "exploiting the vendor position bug is bannable offense" when they have already stated that exploiting in general is bannable?
It's actions like this one by Funcom that made our guild decide we're not going to play AOC.
Signed: Barry Bonds, Mark Macguire,Jose Canseco, Roger Clemmens, Ben Johnson, Joe Nikro, Diego Maradona, Tonya Harding
Excellent . Working as intended.
ALL mmorpgs ban exploiters and cheaters, not just Funcom., so quit whining. Blizzard just perma-banned 365,000 accounts last week, and there's less griping about that than there is about this very small ban!
That is for botting, blizzard bans for exploit only if the exploit is documented and it mentions do not use that exploit. Tons of guilds have exploited VR for example but only one guild got some people temporary banned because they did it after it was documented. Also there were plenty of people using xp exploits to get from 30 to 50 back when Wow came out (there was some repeatable ratchet quest) no one got banned. Also blizz temp bans not perma bans for exploiting such as item duping and so on.
I have no sympathy with people who cheat and get caught, you had wanted to create an unfair advantage for yourself over others who dont engage in cheating and had what's coming to you.
FUNCOM doesnt really need to spell anything out, if you dont know that cheating and exploiting is bad then you are ignoranat, and unfortunately ignorance is no excuse.
These are simple things that every law adiding person should know.
If you got caught stealing in a store would you say something like this
"well there was no sign in the window saying thieves will be prosecuted"?
Exploit means working AROUND game mechanics. Meaning, you can magically duplicate items by performing a sequence of events that leads to that end. Finding broken game mechanics and using them is not using an exploit or cheating. Meaning, you find a quest that can be repeated that is not normally repeatable and you do it a couple times or as many as you want. If AoC is banning people because of their broken mechanics this will be THE FIRST MMO to do so. Not one single MMO before this has banned people for doing such things. They just hotfix the situation and move on, cause they know its their fault.
Once you realise what you are doing you have broken your EULA. No way around it...game mechanics or not. Enjoy your legacy.
How? They release the game with problems, why would people be penalized for their mistake? No other MMO has done this. THAT shows you that other MMO creators take reponsability for their mistakes. Other MMOs just fix the mistake and tell you that this was a mistake and no one will be able to do it again.
There a bunch of broken quests that take away the ability to level but if there is one broken in the other way it's blamed on the players?
Lets face, Funcom screwed up bad with the release of the game and instead of apologizing for that they are instead putting the blame on others, on the players. EVERYONE playing that game should be pissed at this because Funcom could pull this for any reason they want in the future.
If the were people using an exploit or if they were cheating, fine, but if dudes were just getting a bonus because Funcom put something out that was defective it isn't the players fault.
Sorry, read your agreement. You broke the rules, suffer. Take it to court see what happens.
What rules?
Show me the rules that says that you can be penalized for a game bug. Because if there is such a rule.... I'm pretty sure that at least half of the population of AoC should be gone because I'm pretty sure that at least half the population has encounter some bug. From a random monster acting stupid to a random drop that wasn't supposed to happen.
You people are not understanding the severity of the situation.
What you are penalized for is knowingly repeating (i.e. exploiting) a game's bug to give yourself an unfair advantage. Every MMO has rules against this, and it's entirely up to the game company to decide what constitutes exploiting and how severe to punish individual cases. Therefore it is up to the players to use their own judgement about what you do and do not do. Exploiting a bug with a vendor so that you can get almost limitless gold is an egregious exploit. You all knew it was wrong (either that your you're just stupid as hell), and you get what you deserver.
You know, I almost wish they would just leave the bug in the game and figure out way to closely monitor who is exploiting it JUST to eliminate these jerks from the game.
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Excellent! Well done for banning people who knew they were cheating
As for "it only being a game", so is chess, so is Football - when you play a game, you play ethically, hoping others will do the same. These tossers didn't. This "game" could be worth multi-millions, and both the company and the players expect a level playing field.
I wouldn't expect the company to waste their time trying to decide which particular coin in the bank came from legitimately playing, and which didn't. Why make work for yourself when you don't need to? I hope they lost tons of gear and loot!
ALL mmorpgs ban exploiters and cheaters, not just Funcom., so quit whining. Blizzard just perma-banned 365,000 accounts last week, and there's less griping about that than there is about this very small ban!
I think Iselin was trying to be sarcastic. Check the names of his supposedly guild mates.
Any company that bans cheaters goes up another notch imo. Keep it up Funcom!
Taking advantage of bug is STILL CHEATING! Every MMO vet knows they risk their account when exploiting. Never could figure out why people enjoy cheating in MMOs. Imagine playing Monopoly at home with rigged dice.
The players know clearly in soccer that tackling someone without going for the ball, they can get sent off. Its a clearly stated rule. If such rules weren't present, you would see lots of players and fans arguing every single tackle deemed possibly "not in the spirit of the game" or "unethical" or "exploiting game mechanics". If a particular action is not allowed in-game, include it in the rules, make it clear to all.
To the other poster, I'm not saying Funcom lists out precisely what to do, just mentioning that "exploiting the vendor position bug is a bannable offense" would make it clear cut what is not legitimate. I do know certain games that will not punish usage of game mechanics which were buggy, until they announce clearly that its an exploit, hence my concern here. The reason behind that company's action is: they are developers, they created the bugs, they fix them, its their responsibility not the players.
I've just read the new Funcom post on exploits, seems like they didn't do a thorough beta testing phase! But that's a given for MMORPG though.
"now they are looking into banning those involved for simply taking advantage of game play mechanic bugs"
That my friends is almost a dictionary definition exploit, simply amazes me that people think this is just fine.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
Where the **** have you been since the game has been released? Funcom has done nothing, besides banning exploiters, releasing new patches that has fixed a lot. That they even added a performance increase in Lacheish Plains and Noble District in Tarantia means they even did that, along with fixing bugs.
Funcom has done nothing but supporting their playerbase so far, this is great. You sir, should come to Skøyen in Oslo and see what Funcom are doing at this moment.
Geez OP, you are giving cheaters a bad name. (if that's even possible). I've purchased game gold in L2, DAOC, WOW, and EVE. In every case I knew that if I was caught the possible consequences of it would be the loss of the goods (heh, CCP-EVE caught me and took it back, almost a year later) and perhaps the loss of my account. I would never come to these forums and whine about it.
You'll argue, but, but, this was just taking advantage of a bug the dev's overlooked in a new game. I'm afraid that there really isn't degrees of cheating, whether its taking severe advantage of an exploit, which I'm sure your friends were all quite aware they were doing, or hacking, or radaring or buying game gold. Its all cheating and it all detracts from other players enjoyment. (perhaps in varying degrees, but that's not really the defining measure here.)
So your friends learned a good lesson, and what did it cost them, 50 bucks? Not bad, the ISK I lost in EVE was worth 60. If they really enjoy the game and want to play they can buy another copy and start over, this time playing within the rules. You can bet in EVE I won't be purchasing any more ISK from any other method other than the company approved one. (and quite truthfully, the experience has dis-inclined me from considering the practice in AOC, especially since Funcom is starting out with a tough stance against cheating)
Oh yeah, about your argument that as an Engineer you only deal with math and numbers so your writing isn't important. I used to help hire civil engineeers and we routinely requested writing samples as part of their interviews and rejected candidates who obviously hadn't mastered the art. You might want to consider some remedial writing classes in the future if you wish to further your career.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!
Congrats and FULL marks to Funcom for their actions.
Ridicule and NO pity whatsoever to your small minded friends.
Nicely done!
Why should they announce the exploit? So that even more players that didn't know about would exploit it? And give Funcom even more work?
Why should they state that that "exploiting the vendor position bug is bannable offense" when they have already stated that exploiting in general is bannable?
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ALL mmorpgs ban exploiters and cheaters, not just Funcom., so quit whining. Blizzard just perma-banned 365,000 accounts last week, and there's less griping about that than there is about this very small ban!
That is for botting, blizzard bans for exploit only if the exploit is documented and it mentions do not use that exploit. Tons of guilds have exploited VR for example but only one guild got some people temporary banned because they did it after it was documented. Also there were plenty of people using xp exploits to get from 30 to 50 back when Wow came out (there was some repeatable ratchet quest) no one got banned. Also blizz temp bans not perma bans for exploiting such as item duping and so on.
I have no sympathy with people who cheat and get caught, you had wanted to create an unfair advantage for yourself over others who dont engage in cheating and had what's coming to you.
FUNCOM doesnt really need to spell anything out, if you dont know that cheating and exploiting is bad then you are ignoranat, and unfortunately ignorance is no excuse.
These are simple things that every law adiding person should know.
If you got caught stealing in a store would you say something like this
"well there was no sign in the window saying thieves will be prosecuted"?
My dear friend you would still go down.
Once you realise what you are doing you have broken your EULA. No way around it...game mechanics or not. Enjoy your legacy.
How? They release the game with problems, why would people be penalized for their mistake? No other MMO has done this. THAT shows you that other MMO creators take reponsability for their mistakes. Other MMOs just fix the mistake and tell you that this was a mistake and no one will be able to do it again.
There a bunch of broken quests that take away the ability to level but if there is one broken in the other way it's blamed on the players?
Lets face, Funcom screwed up bad with the release of the game and instead of apologizing for that they are instead putting the blame on others, on the players. EVERYONE playing that game should be pissed at this because Funcom could pull this for any reason they want in the future.
If the were people using an exploit or if they were cheating, fine, but if dudes were just getting a bonus because Funcom put something out that was defective it isn't the players fault.
Sorry, read your agreement. You broke the rules, suffer. Take it to court see what happens.
What rules?
Show me the rules that says that you can be penalized for a game bug. Because if there is such a rule.... I'm pretty sure that at least half of the population of AoC should be gone because I'm pretty sure that at least half the population has encounter some bug. From a random monster acting stupid to a random drop that wasn't supposed to happen.
You people are not understanding the severity of the situation.
What you are penalized for is knowingly repeating (i.e. exploiting) a game's bug to give yourself an unfair advantage. Every MMO has rules against this, and it's entirely up to the game company to decide what constitutes exploiting and how severe to punish individual cases. Therefore it is up to the players to use their own judgement about what you do and do not do. Exploiting a bug with a vendor so that you can get almost limitless gold is an egregious exploit. You all knew it was wrong (either that your you're just stupid as hell), and you get what you deserver.
You know, I almost wish they would just leave the bug in the game and figure out way to closely monitor who is exploiting it JUST to eliminate these jerks from the game.
~~~ Currently Playing ~~~
LOTRO- Guardian Wrymstrum & Lore-master Stabler on Nimrodel.
Conan- Zoltar <Angels of Death> Guardian on Stormrage.