Might as well report me too then. I was in the OB and canceled my pre-order because of my experience. It felt more like an Alpha, or very early beta than release code.
your kidding me....right?
No. I did cancel my pre-order for AoC and the reason was because I did not feel I wanted to spend my money and time beta-testing this (currently) pile of steaming fecal matter for the next who knows how long before it's "ready".
this game is pretty awsome compared to any mmo in its first two weeks.
i guess you have never been in a mmo from release date
Actually, I have. EQ, EQ2, SWG, LotRO, AC2, PotBS.
And I've beta tested a number of games. In addition to the ones listed above; E&B, CoH, WoW, and a number of non-MMO games. I've been playing MMO's since Kingdom of Drakar was new (early 90's), and gaming far longer.
So are we done flexing our e-peens?
In my opinion, AoC is not worthy of my money at this time. At some point in the future it may be.
i think someone is telling a little porky
A highly reasoned and well thought out response. I salute you and your glorious e-peen of forum spankery.
Might as well report me too then. I was in the OB and canceled my pre-order because of my experience. It felt more like an Alpha, or very early beta than release code.
your kidding me....right?
No. I did cancel my pre-order for AoC and the reason was because I did not feel I wanted to spend my money and time beta-testing this (currently) pile of steaming fecal matter for the next who knows how long before it's "ready".
this game is pretty awsome compared to any mmo in its first two weeks.
i guess you have never been in a mmo from release date
Actually, I have. EQ, EQ2, SWG, LotRO, AC2, PotBS.
And I've beta tested a number of games. In addition to the ones listed above; E&B, CoH, WoW, and a number of non-MMO games. I've been playing MMO's since Kingdom of Drakar was new (early 90's), and gaming far longer.
So are we done flexing our e-peens?
In my opinion, AoC is not worthy of my money at this time. At some point in the future it may be.
i think someone is telling a little porky
A highly reasoned and well thought out response. I salute you and your glorious e-peen of forum spankery.
Actually, I have. EQ, EQ2, SWG, LotRO, AC2, PotBS.
And I've beta tested a number of games. In addition to the ones listed above; E&B, CoH, WoW, and a number of non-MMO games. I've been playing MMO's since Kingdom of Drakar was new (early 90's), and gaming far longer. So are we done flexing our e-peens? In my opinion, AoC is not worthy of my money at this time. At some point in the future it may be.
i think someone is telling a little porky
I'd have to partially agree with his sentiment. Okay...I can't really agree at all mostly. WoW had an awesome launch (I was there), CoH...not so awesome. I don't mean to say they were bug-ridden or anything. Cryptic WERE MMO virgins...and it showed in their design flaws (all of which were very much so corrected later on). We all understand LotRO to have had a great launch. Actually...I'll take this a step further. LotRO redefined what a good launch even IS. See, I call WoW a great launch because, for its time, it set out with MORE content and more diverse equipment than any other game in that age. For its efforts...it only had minimal issues. The most glaring issues were things Blizzard could have never anticipated, like massive player influx in a genre that had never even seen a TENTH of what they have now.
These days, I'd actually call a WoW launch bad. The bar has been raised, a company has PROVEN that you can actually &*%$ing make a game work BEFORE releasing. Thus, all this silly defending that goes on in every games forum has been rendered completely moot. If one company can do it, all can. There should be no excuses....if your money ran out you should have managed it better. It is not left to us to run a business for these people. In any other market, such poor business choices would have gotten you fired (or actually shot, outright, in the head in some countries.).
Forgive me, I rant. The real point here is that there are plentiful examples of developers taking their time and making sure a game is stable and that all of its elements are functioning properly before a launch. Some of these guys ACTUALLY refuse to promise the moon...before delivering you the rocket ship to get there. Shocking, I know.
Just a word of advice for anyone thinking of coming to Hyboria. This game is still in beta, and I would give it a few more months before wasting hard earned cash. Issues that need urgent attention at the moment.
-Not true, the game is obviously new, like ANY mmo it has its oddities. 1. Performance & Server issues are causing great consternation for many people with system specs that far outweigh the minimum reqs.
-Not really that many. People with 7600 GT's and 2 gigs of RAM can run it fine. I know. I have a box like that. Also my 8800 GTS with 4 gigs ram and vista run it great too. These issues are isolated. 2. Class balance is non-existent, and has just been made worse by recent stealth nerfs to certain classes, and leaving other overpowered classes untouched. PvP is now broken.
-Class balance, for once, depends on the skill of the player almost entirely. If you feel your class is gimped its probably because your not utilizing your skills correctly, sheilding, active blocking, etc are all HUGE portions of this game. Most poeple dont even know about them because they dont read. 3. Long server downtimes scheduled for unreasonable hours.
-ITS A NEW F***ING MMO, no s**t it has down time jackass. Its been like, what 2 weeks out? Get a life. Down times are usually from 3am - 7am for me. That's not unreasonable. That's actually pretty standard. I hear your beloved WoW is down for days, or was when first released. 4. Patch notes which don't contain relevant information, and stealth nerfs which cause mistrust and scepticism.
-This is the only point i agree on. Patch notes are slim, but today they were several pages long. As if to show a new trend. If patch notes ruin a game for you, maybe you should stick with consoles? 5. All crafting is broken, as are guild cities.
-Actually crafting isn't broken at all. One resource was having issues until today's patch, its' working fine now. Guild cities aren't broken and I have no idea what the OP is talking about. Perhaps hes just a troll? My guild city has like 5 buildings almost now. 6. Combat Arts are broken, as are a lot of the animations.
-Again, I think the OP is just making shit up at this point. i have NO BROKEN arts or animations. Animations are awesome! Very smooth and life-like. 7. UI and chat system is horrible. I would imagine this was forgotten about until a week before release.
-The UI is fine. How about some specific things about it you dont like? I could use a new LFG tool and new guild window but thats it. The chat is fine, idk what you're talking about. It lacks customization is the only problem, but they are addressing that right now. Read the patch notes OP. 8. Post level 50, content is poor and grinding becomes the order of the day.
-Oh NO! You have to kill things to level now? Gee, remember eq1? Its like that but only its not like that hardly at all!? So yes, you do have to grind more from 60-80 than from 1-59. But is that such a big deal? Do you HAVE to have a quest journal telling you to go kill X number of Y mob to make it feel like you have a purpose? Whats the ***king difference? I personally would MUCH rather do a dungeon crawl with a group for several hours, get one level and a handful of loot than to do 10 quests over several hours, alone, and get the quest rewards. 9. There are so many GM petitions, that waiting 2-3 days for help is not uncommon. This in itself indicates the amount of problems this game has at the moment.
-Try to exagerate more jackass. Petitions are currently being handled based on classification and range from 2 hours to 18 hours. The game is BRAND NEW. Give them a break. Most people dont even need to send a petition. So who cares? Got a bugged quest? move on, its not the end of the world. This are some of the major faults with the game, but there are many others which seem insignificant but are plain annoying.
-Like? I quite enjoy the game. It could be a decent game eventually, but at the moment it flatters to deceive. Funcom have been extremely clever in a couple of respects. They have polished levels 1-20 so the customers' first impressions of the game are favourable. These are usually the only levels that the gaming sites rate the game on as well, because they have other issues and game reviews to move on to.}
-wow that is weird that FunCom would take extra special care of the tutorial island. Oh wait, the only difference I see is that the NPC's aren't voiced over after level 20. Who cares? You weren't listening to it anyway, you were more likely clicking 1 1 1 1 1 to get your quest and move on to beat everybody to 80. FunCom isn't trying to trick you. There was a reason why you can't craft before level 40. There was a reason why early access was limited to level 13. There was a reason why the NDA wasn't lifted. There was a reason why the forums are only open to people who have already purchased the game.
-Yea, there ARE reasons to all of these things and they're not the reasons you're insinuating. Crafting begins at level 40 and ends at level 80. They didn't bother adding crafting from 1-40 because there wasn't any purpose, the first 20 levels is the tutorial. -Early access wasn't limited to level 13 jackass. Open Beta for the GameStop members was the only people limtied to 13, and that WAS beta. -the NDA WAS lifted. WTF, where do you get your made up bullsh*t information? -Gee I guess the forums aren't open to the public because of f**king retards like you who post total bulls**t about the game. Maybe thats why? Did Funcom learn anything from previous games they have made. Yes, they did. They learned how to deceive the public into paying for their merchandise. Grats.
-Yes they did, they learned how to make one fantastic game. This game is fucking awesome and if you haven't given it a shot please do. If you want to wait a month or two for people like this f**ktarded OP to lave the game then that's fine. But dont go on thinking that this jackass has any idea wtf he's talking about.
Actually, I have. EQ, EQ2, SWG, LotRO, AC2, PotBS.
And I've beta tested a number of games. In addition to the ones listed above; E&B, CoH, WoW, and a number of non-MMO games. I've been playing MMO's since Kingdom of Drakar was new (early 90's), and gaming far longer. So are we done flexing our e-peens? In my opinion, AoC is not worthy of my money at this time. At some point in the future it may be.
i think someone is telling a little porky
I'd have to partially agree with his sentiment. Okay...I can't really agree at all mostly. WoW had an awesome launch (I was there), CoH...not so awesome. I don't mean to say they were bug-ridden or anything. Cryptic WERE MMO virgins...and it showed in their design flaws (all of which were very much so corrected later on). We all understand LotRO to have had a great launch. Actually...I'll take this a step further. LotRO redefined what a good launch even IS. See, I call WoW a great launch because, for its time, it set out with MORE content and more diverse equipment than any other game in that age. For its efforts...it only had minimal issues. The most glaring issues were things Blizzard could have never anticipated, like massive player influx in a genre that had never even seen a TENTH of what they have now.
These days, I'd actually call a WoW launch bad. The bar has been raised, a company has PROVEN that you can actually &*%$ing make a game work BEFORE releasing. Thus, all this silly defending that goes on in every games forum has been rendered completely moot. If one company can do it, all can. There should be no excuses....if your money ran out you should have managed it better. It is not left to us to run a business for these people. In any other market, such poor business choices would have gotten you fired (or actually shot, outright, in the head in some countries.).
Forgive me, I rant. The real point here is that there are plentiful examples of developers taking their time and making sure a game is stable and that all of its elements are functioning properly before a launch. Some of these guys ACTUALLY refuse to promise the moon...before delivering you the rocket ship to get there. Shocking, I know.
hes previous post said that AOC luanch felt like a game in Alpha stage...that is what i was disagreeing with him :P thats why he was telling a little porky
Actually, I have. EQ, EQ2, SWG, LotRO, AC2, PotBS.
And I've beta tested a number of games. In addition to the ones listed above; E&B, CoH, WoW, and a number of non-MMO games. I've been playing MMO's since Kingdom of Drakar was new (early 90's), and gaming far longer. So are we done flexing our e-peens? In my opinion, AoC is not worthy of my money at this time. At some point in the future it may be.
i think someone is telling a little porky
I'd have to partially agree with his sentiment. Okay...I can't really agree at all mostly. WoW had an awesome launch (I was there), CoH...not so awesome. I don't mean to say they were bug-ridden or anything. Cryptic WERE MMO virgins...and it showed in their design flaws (all of which were very much so corrected later on). We all understand LotRO to have had a great launch. Actually...I'll take this a step further. LotRO redefined what a good launch even IS. See, I call WoW a great launch because, for its time, it set out with MORE content and more diverse equipment than any other game in that age. For its efforts...it only had minimal issues. The most glaring issues were things Blizzard could have never anticipated, like massive player influx in a genre that had never even seen a TENTH of what they have now.
These days, I'd actually call a WoW launch bad. The bar has been raised, a company has PROVEN that you can actually &*%$ing make a game work BEFORE releasing. Thus, all this silly defending that goes on in every games forum has been rendered completely moot. If one company can do it, all can. There should be no excuses....if your money ran out you should have managed it better. It is not left to us to run a business for these people. In any other market, such poor business choices would have gotten you fired (or actually shot, outright, in the head in some countries.).
Forgive me, I rant. The real point here is that there are plentiful examples of developers taking their time and making sure a game is stable and that all of its elements are functioning properly before a launch. Some of these guys ACTUALLY refuse to promise the moon...before delivering you the rocket ship to get there. Shocking, I know.
hes previous post said that AOC luanch felt like a game in Alpha stage...that is what i was disagreeing with him :P thats why he was telling a little porky
You need to learn to read son.
I said the Open Beta felt like Alpha code. I canceled my pre-order and have not played AoC post-Beta. For all I know, it may have improved 1000%. If/when I do decide to buy it, I think I'll wait for it to show up for $19.99 at WalMart.
Actually, I have. EQ, EQ2, SWG, LotRO, AC2, PotBS.
And I've beta tested a number of games. In addition to the ones listed above; E&B, CoH, WoW, and a number of non-MMO games. I've been playing MMO's since Kingdom of Drakar was new (early 90's), and gaming far longer. So are we done flexing our e-peens? In my opinion, AoC is not worthy of my money at this time. At some point in the future it may be.
i think someone is telling a little porky
I'd have to partially agree with his sentiment. Okay...I can't really agree at all mostly. WoW had an awesome launch (I was there), CoH...not so awesome. I don't mean to say they were bug-ridden or anything. Cryptic WERE MMO virgins...and it showed in their design flaws (all of which were very much so corrected later on). We all understand LotRO to have had a great launch. Actually...I'll take this a step further. LotRO redefined what a good launch even IS. See, I call WoW a great launch because, for its time, it set out with MORE content and more diverse equipment than any other game in that age. For its efforts...it only had minimal issues. The most glaring issues were things Blizzard could have never anticipated, like massive player influx in a genre that had never even seen a TENTH of what they have now.
These days, I'd actually call a WoW launch bad. The bar has been raised, a company has PROVEN that you can actually &*%$ing make a game work BEFORE releasing. Thus, all this silly defending that goes on in every games forum has been rendered completely moot. If one company can do it, all can. There should be no excuses....if your money ran out you should have managed it better. It is not left to us to run a business for these people. In any other market, such poor business choices would have gotten you fired (or actually shot, outright, in the head in some countries.).
Forgive me, I rant. The real point here is that there are plentiful examples of developers taking their time and making sure a game is stable and that all of its elements are functioning properly before a launch. Some of these guys ACTUALLY refuse to promise the moon...before delivering you the rocket ship to get there. Shocking, I know.
hes previous post said that AOC luanch felt like a game in Alpha stage...that is what i was disagreeing with him :P thats why he was telling a little porky
You need to learn to read son.
I said the Open Beta felt like Alpha code. I canceled my pre-order and have not played AoC post-Beta. For all I know, it may have improved 1000%. If/when I do decide to buy it, I think I'll wait for it to show up for $19.99 at WalMart.
oh yes the beta was awful. sorry i misunderstood you
Nice try. If its my opinion that people should wait to buy the game, thats exactly what I am going to say. I'm not thinking for them, I'm giving them my personal advice as a current player of the game.
The title of the thread is, "Do not buy AoC". Therefore the OP is telling someone to do something and thinking for them. You were actually fine in "advising". The moment you lumped the OP and yourself together that lost validity.
Why you ask? You can help people make the decision for buying/avoiding the game by listing the likes/dislikes about the game. If their deciding factor is going to be forum posts.
Threads on MMORPG.com are opinion unless otherwise stated by the staff. They are basically amateur editorials, like the OP was. The title was exactly that. And his advice.
Would it have been better if the title was "Do NOT buy AoC (details inside)"
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
No one has given him the "heads-up" about how you need 500 posts before you are considered a real, thinking, person around here.
I kid, but I had to bring that up against a fan because its ALWAYS used against the haters. I like to think that I bring a little equality to this barren wasteland :P
To address your stances directly, Kram, I would say that the OP isn't retarded...nor is he any combination of the vulgarities used in your post to label him. I do understand that you are having a quite fine time with the game, and can reasonably understand why you would so aggressively defend it. The trouble here is that, while being a tad exaggerated, his points are pretty valid concerns for him. He saw what he saw, and it affected him just as he said. I can also understand that. What you and I have to come around to is the fact that every choice in game design also brings with it a consequence that has bearing on who and what will find your game fun.
Simply put, their choices (and the many issues that arise in a launch coupled with them) have put him off. Lastly, I agree with his statement that we should all wait to buy ANY MMO fresh off the presses. But then, I've been doing that for years. WoW was the only one I ever purchased close to its launch...and it will be the only one as well. Frankly, outside of LotR, I doubt any of these game developers take the launch of a game seriously enough. Its good measure to wait until the game is more stable, and the initial rush is past.
I said the Open Beta felt like Alpha code. I canceled my pre-order and have not played AoC post-Beta. For all I know, it may have improved 1000%. If/when I do decide to buy it, I think I'll wait for it to show up for $19.99 at WalMart.
oh yes the beta was awful. sorry i misunderstood you
no hard fealings
And that is why FunCom won't be getting my money for AoC. I certainly realize betas are buggy. But this honestly did not feel beta-quality. I'm certain there are a lot of people who play and enjoy the game now. I'll stick to my lifetime membership on LotRO.
Threads on MMORPG.com are opinion unless otherwise stated by the staff. They are basically amateur editorials, like the OP was. The title was exactly that. And his advice.
Would it have been better if the title was "Do NOT buy AoC (details inside)"
To repeat myself once more it left opinion or editorial quality when the OP made a demand. They made a demand by a command. No longer persuading but attempt of force but through the mind. (Prolly weak on that last part but hopefully the point comes across)
The title should be, "Why I don't think you should buy AoC". Or something along those lines.
Originally posted by kram337 Originally posted by Spaceweed10 Just a word of advice for anyone thinking of coming to Hyboria. This game is still in beta, and I would give it a few more months before wasting hard earned cash. Issues that need urgent attention at the moment. -Not true, the game is obviously new, like ANY mmo it has its oddities. 1. Performance & Server issues are causing great consternation for many people with system specs that far outweigh the minimum reqs. -Not really that many. People with 7600 GT's and 2 gigs of RAM can run it fine. I know. I have a box like that. Also my 8800 GTS with 4 gigs ram and vista run it great too. These issues are isolated. 2. Class balance is non-existent, and has just been made worse by recent stealth nerfs to certain classes, and leaving other overpowered classes untouched. PvP is now broken. -Class balance, for once, depends on the skill of the player almost entirely. If you feel your class is gimped its probably because your not utilizing your skills correctly, sheilding, active blocking, etc are all HUGE portions of this game. Most poeple dont even know about them because they dont read. 3. Long server downtimes scheduled for unreasonable hours. -ITS A NEW F***ING MMO, no s**t it has down time jackass. Its been like, what 2 weeks out? Get a life. Down times are usually from 3am - 7am for me. That's not unreasonable. That's actually pretty standard. I hear your beloved WoW is down for days, or was when first released. 4. Patch notes which don't contain relevant information, and stealth nerfs which cause mistrust and scepticism. -This is the only point i agree on. Patch notes are slim, but today they were several pages long. As if to show a new trend. If patch notes ruin a game for you, maybe you should stick with consoles? 5. All crafting is broken, as are guild cities. -Actually crafting isn't broken at all. One resource was having issues until today's patch, its' working fine now. Guild cities aren't broken and I have no idea what the OP is talking about. Perhaps hes just a troll? My guild city has like 5 buildings almost now. 6. Combat Arts are broken, as are a lot of the animations. -Again, I think the OP is just making shit up at this point. i have NO BROKEN arts or animations. Animations are awesome! Very smooth and life-like. 7. UI and chat system is horrible. I would imagine this was forgotten about until a week before release. -The UI is fine. How about some specific things about it you dont like? I could use a new LFG tool and new guild window but thats it. The chat is fine, idk what you're talking about. It lacks customization is the only problem, but they are addressing that right now. Read the patch notes OP. 8. Post level 50, content is poor and grinding becomes the order of the day. -Oh NO! You have to kill things to level now? Gee, remember eq1? Its like that but only its not like that hardly at all!? So yes, you do have to grind more from 60-80 than from 1-59. But is that such a big deal? Do you HAVE to have a quest journal telling you to go kill X number of Y mob to make it feel like you have a purpose? Whats the ***king difference? I personally would MUCH rather do a dungeon crawl with a group for several hours, get one level and a handful of loot than to do 10 quests over several hours, alone, and get the quest rewards. 9. There are so many GM petitions, that waiting 2-3 days for help is not uncommon. This in itself indicates the amount of problems this game has at the moment. -Try to exagerate more jackass. Petitions are currently being handled based on classification and range from 2 hours to 18 hours. The game is BRAND NEW. Give them a break. Most people dont even need to send a petition. So who cares? Got a bugged quest? move on, its not the end of the world. This are some of the major faults with the game, but there are many others which seem insignificant but are plain annoying. -Like? I quite enjoy the game. It could be a decent game eventually, but at the moment it flatters to deceive. Funcom have been extremely clever in a couple of respects. They have polished levels 1-20 so the customers' first impressions of the game are favourable. These are usually the only levels that the gaming sites rate the game on as well, because they have other issues and game reviews to move on to.} -wow that is weird that FunCom would take extra special care of the tutorial island. Oh wait, the only difference I see is that the NPC's aren't voiced over after level 20. Who cares? You weren't listening to it anyway, you were more likely clicking 1 1 1 1 1 to get your quest and move on to beat everybody to 80. FunCom isn't trying to trick you. There was a reason why you can't craft before level 40. There was a reason why early access was limited to level 13. There was a reason why the NDA wasn't lifted. There was a reason why the forums are only open to people who have already purchased the game. -Yea, there ARE reasons to all of these things and they're not the reasons you're insinuating. Crafting begins at level 40 and ends at level 80. They didn't bother adding crafting from 1-40 because there wasn't any purpose, the first 20 levels is the tutorial. -Early access wasn't limited to level 13 jackass. Open Beta for the GameStop members was the only people limtied to 13, and that WAS beta. -the NDA WAS lifted. WTF, where do you get your made up bullsh*t information? -Gee I guess the forums aren't open to the public because of f**king retards like you who post total bulls**t about the game. Maybe thats why? Did Funcom learn anything from previous games they have made. Yes, they did. They learned how to deceive the public into paying for their merchandise. Grats. -Yes they did, they learned how to make one fantastic game. This game is fucking awesome and if you haven't given it a shot please do. If you want to wait a month or two for people like this f**ktarded OP to lave the game then that's fine. But dont go on thinking that this jackass has any idea wtf he's talking about.
It's funny how even adults can act like children. Think you can explain something without excessive swearing and calling people retards and idiots? Great he's an idiot for not playing the game and warning people that the game feels like it is still in beta.
Did you just install the game load it up and play Tortage and like scream to your gods that this game is the best thing since slice bread because of the graphics?
Seriously everything the OP pointed out is a valid and serious problem that many players are having. It might run fine on your system but there is video cards that are having problems with AoC.
I seen your other post proclaiming about how awesome the game is with very little reasoning behind it and with just 2 posts it makes one wonder if we are seeing more internet Funcom employees grabbing the forums by the balls.
[[ DEAD ]] - Funny - I deleted my account on the site using the cancel account button. Forum user is separate and still exists with no way of deleting it. Delete it admins. Do it, this ends now.
Its not a bad game. The first 20 levels are amazing. They are thick with plot and story lines, and its does a great job of immersing you into that world. The problems begin slowly after that. While there are plenty of quests and 3 different zones for level 20-40, it drops off after that. From 40-50 there is 1 zone, decent amount of quests, might hit a dry spell in the late 40s but not bad. From 55-80 its just a horribly boring non-stop grind fest, similar to L2. There is only 1 zone for 50-60, 60-70, and 70-80. Also, the game was not ready to be released on May 22nd. It took over a week to get up the banks, mail, and traders, they were taken down during the early access because of a dupe exploit. While server stability has been outstanding, my realm, Set, crashed a few times, along with 2 others I think, but nothing major and they were up quickly, the game is full of bugs. A lot of these bugs were reported in Beta, but not addressed by Funcom. Also class balance is an absolute joke, which since the PvP system isn't even in the game is not a big problem.
In conclusion, AoC is not a bad game, and has a lot of potential. The problem is it feels like you are still playing a Beta. If you don't mind paying for the game while it's still being developed, it's not a bad game. I canceled my subscription, but if Funcom can fix some of the serious problems in the game I will probably give it another try in a few months when it is more complete.
I just made lvl 22 and just left the starter city of Tortage.... Zug server.
I've played several MMO's.....from sci fi to fantasy to super villian....none except PRE CU swg beat this game.
like another poster said, the first 20 levels are amazingly story driven and full of rich lore and entertaining quests.
Item number 7. broken chat UI.... it's not broken, but it's MODAL...and anyone who knows what that is knows that MODAL chat kills the ability to have a strong community while in game....you can't chat and run the game at the same time...i don't feel like explaining this, but ....only swg pre cu had it and SL had it until very recently...they added voice chat so they thought they could get away with modal chat then...mistake imho.
AoC had a couple glitches while I played so far...a couple server lags, a few CTD's at certain entry points like for example going into the underhalls entrance I crashed 2 times there...but no big deal, i logged back in and continued just fine....this game is far from alpha and if you MUST call it a beta, then you have to admit it's a pretty smoothly polished one ...
Of Course they plan to fine tune it....every MMO evolves over time...we all know this, why claim a game is doomed 2 weeks after launch? really that's just short sited thinking.
I'm going to buy another copy of the game for a couple friends of mine...get them into my guild and we're going to go kick the crap out of any baddies we come in contact with...
Faxx....on Zug. A nice server. oh ya one last thing.... MMO's aren't made or broken on how well they PvP...go play xbox for that.... it's community that makes MMO.....an MMO.
Originally posted by Buskens Its not a bad game. The first 20 levels are amazing. They are thick with plot and story lines, and its does a great job of immersing you into that world. The problems begin slowly after that. While there are plenty of quests and 3 different zones for level 20-40, it drops off after that. From 40-50 there is 1 zone, decent amount of quests, might hit a dry spell in the late 40s but not bad. From 55-80 its just a horribly boring non-stop grind fest, similar to L2. There is only 1 zone for 50-60, 60-70, and 70-80. Also, the game was not ready to be released on May 22nd. It took over a week to get up the banks, mail, and traders, they were taken down during the early access because of a dupe exploit. While server stability has been outstanding, my realm, Set, crashed a few times, along with 2 others I think, but nothing major and they were up quickly, the game is full of bugs. A lot of these bugs were reported in Beta, but not addressed by Funcom. Also class balance is an absolute joke, which since the PvP system isn't even in the game is not a big problem. In conclusion, AoC is not a bad game, and has a lot of potential. The problem is it feels like you are still playing a Beta. If you don't mind paying for the game while it's still being developed, it's not a bad game. I canceled my subscription, but if Funcom can fix some of the serious problems in the game I will probably give it another try in a few months when it is more complete.
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Very good well thought out post. This is the exact type of posts I am seeing around from the players that are already at mid-game/end-game. They have an IP on there hands that was quite responsive from the MMO gamers yet they managed to rush it in order to beat WAR to a launch, will this help WAR out we don't know until that is launched as well. Give it time is the verdict but I say this give it time responses need to stop. We need to demand quality from these companies or all we will get is Beta build launches.
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Of Course they plan to fine tune it....every MMO evolves over time...we all know this, why claim a game is doomed 2 weeks after launch? really that's just short sited thinking.
Because the first two months of an MMO determine the way its going to be for the rest of its life. Right now it isn't looking to good for AoC, but I am still hanging in there, I'm still trying to get into the game. They can still save this.
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We need to demand quality from these companies or all we will get is Beta build launches.
I figure in twenty or thirty years when the genre matures and I am too old to care, they will finally figure out that the secret to success is a well developed and polished game. No, I don't think that its going to be WAR =( Every time I have ignored my intuition about video games, I have regretted it.
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Originally posted by HashBrick We need to demand quality from these companies or all we will get is Beta build launches.
I figure in twenty or thirty years when the genre matures and I am too old to care, they will finally figure out that the secret to success is a well developed and polished game. No, I don't think that its going to be WAR =( Every time I have ignored my intuition about video games, I have regretted it.
I agree it won't happen over night and it won't happen for many years. WoW brought in a general crowd of people who never really gamed before, WoW turned girl gamers into a natural thing and more popular. It is with this newer community of MMO gamers that we have these problems, they are willing to accept the fact it is an online game and needs some time. When the rest of us know exactly how this road goes because we seen it so many years ahead. It will only happen when the general community matures like you said and thus I won't loose sleep on it, but if we don't start now it won't ever happen.
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It is with this newer community of MMO gamers that we have these problems, they are willing to accept the fact it is an online game and needs some time.
Yes and no. I don't think that it is the general attitude of WoW players, former or current. I think it is the attitude of some of the old school players in tandem with a bunch of former WoW players that are desperate for an alternative to WoW.
If it was the general attitude of the WoW-wave the MMORPG market would be at least twice its size right now. Remember, WoW has a weak player retention. For every single WoW player right now there are probably 2.5 former ones.
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It is with this newer community of MMO gamers that we have these problems, they are willing to accept the fact it is an online game and needs some time.
Yes and no. I don't think that it is the general attitude of WoW players, former or current. I think it is the attitude of some of the old school players in tandem with a bunch of former WoW players that are desperate for an alternative to WoW.
If it was the general attitude of the WoW-wave the MMORPG market would be at least twice its size right now. Remember, WoW has a weak player retention. For every single WoW player right now there are probably 2.5 former ones.
so blizz has sold 25 million copies of WoW? That's a very impressive number.
so blizz has sold 25 million copies of WoW? That's a very impressive number.
I don't think it quite works like that in Asia, but in answer to your question- maybe. Remember the last milestone they achieved was 10.7 million active subscribers, units sold would have to be much greater than that if you use your common sense. Now add accounts sold between individuals.
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your kidding me....right?
this game is pretty awsome compared to any mmo in its first two weeks.No. I did cancel my pre-order for AoC and the reason was because I did not feel I wanted to spend my money and time beta-testing this (currently) pile of steaming fecal matter for the next who knows how long before it's "ready".
i guess you have never been in a mmo from release date
Actually, I have. EQ, EQ2, SWG, LotRO, AC2, PotBS.And I've beta tested a number of games. In addition to the ones listed above; E&B, CoH, WoW, and a number of non-MMO games. I've been playing MMO's since Kingdom of Drakar was new (early 90's), and gaming far longer.
So are we done flexing our e-peens?
In my opinion, AoC is not worthy of my money at this time. At some point in the future it may be.
i think someone is telling a little porkyA highly reasoned and well thought out response. I salute you and your glorious e-peen of forum spankery.
Aurora, 4x Gaming
WoW was better. DeadlyMage, honestly, I think you are a paid marketer. 200+ posts in less than ten days?
who care how many posts i have?and WoW was not better. i was there (it was about the same as AOC)
anyway i dont play AOC anymore. game just got a little boring for me. so please son dont try and be clever again
Huh? It's been like two weeks and you allready got bored? :S
WoW was better. DeadlyMage, honestly, I think you are a paid marketer. 200+ posts in less than ten days?
who care how many posts i have?and WoW was not better. i was there (it was about the same as AOC)
anyway i dont play AOC anymore. game just got a little boring for me. so please son dont try and be clever again
Huh? It's been like two weeks and you allready got bored? :S
its was not for me. and i admit that. does not mean its a bad game1) I care because approaching 300 posts in less than 10 days implies that you are being paid to post.
2) WoW was better, their issues were almost wholly related to hardware.
3) Paid advertisers don't necessarily ever actually have to experience the client/consumer end of the product.
4) I wouldn't advise you call anyone son for a couple of reasons.
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your kidding me....right?
this game is pretty awsome compared to any mmo in its first two weeks.No. I did cancel my pre-order for AoC and the reason was because I did not feel I wanted to spend my money and time beta-testing this (currently) pile of steaming fecal matter for the next who knows how long before it's "ready".
i guess you have never been in a mmo from release date
Actually, I have. EQ, EQ2, SWG, LotRO, AC2, PotBS.And I've beta tested a number of games. In addition to the ones listed above; E&B, CoH, WoW, and a number of non-MMO games. I've been playing MMO's since Kingdom of Drakar was new (early 90's), and gaming far longer.
So are we done flexing our e-peens?
In my opinion, AoC is not worthy of my money at this time. At some point in the future it may be.
i think someone is telling a little porkyA highly reasoned and well thought out response. I salute you and your glorious e-peen of forum spankery.
thankyou.I'd have to partially agree with his sentiment. Okay...I can't really agree at all mostly. WoW had an awesome launch (I was there), CoH...not so awesome. I don't mean to say they were bug-ridden or anything. Cryptic WERE MMO virgins...and it showed in their design flaws (all of which were very much so corrected later on). We all understand LotRO to have had a great launch. Actually...I'll take this a step further. LotRO redefined what a good launch even IS. See, I call WoW a great launch because, for its time, it set out with MORE content and more diverse equipment than any other game in that age. For its efforts...it only had minimal issues. The most glaring issues were things Blizzard could have never anticipated, like massive player influx in a genre that had never even seen a TENTH of what they have now.
These days, I'd actually call a WoW launch bad. The bar has been raised, a company has PROVEN that you can actually &*%$ing make a game work BEFORE releasing. Thus, all this silly defending that goes on in every games forum has been rendered completely moot. If one company can do it, all can. There should be no excuses....if your money ran out you should have managed it better. It is not left to us to run a business for these people. In any other market, such poor business choices would have gotten you fired (or actually shot, outright, in the head in some countries.).
Forgive me, I rant. The real point here is that there are plentiful examples of developers taking their time and making sure a game is stable and that all of its elements are functioning properly before a launch. Some of these guys ACTUALLY refuse to promise the moon...before delivering you the rocket ship to get there. Shocking, I know.
I'd have to partially agree with his sentiment. Okay...I can't really agree at all mostly. WoW had an awesome launch (I was there), CoH...not so awesome. I don't mean to say they were bug-ridden or anything. Cryptic WERE MMO virgins...and it showed in their design flaws (all of which were very much so corrected later on). We all understand LotRO to have had a great launch. Actually...I'll take this a step further. LotRO redefined what a good launch even IS. See, I call WoW a great launch because, for its time, it set out with MORE content and more diverse equipment than any other game in that age. For its efforts...it only had minimal issues. The most glaring issues were things Blizzard could have never anticipated, like massive player influx in a genre that had never even seen a TENTH of what they have now.
These days, I'd actually call a WoW launch bad. The bar has been raised, a company has PROVEN that you can actually &*%$ing make a game work BEFORE releasing. Thus, all this silly defending that goes on in every games forum has been rendered completely moot. If one company can do it, all can. There should be no excuses....if your money ran out you should have managed it better. It is not left to us to run a business for these people. In any other market, such poor business choices would have gotten you fired (or actually shot, outright, in the head in some countries.).
Forgive me, I rant. The real point here is that there are plentiful examples of developers taking their time and making sure a game is stable and that all of its elements are functioning properly before a launch. Some of these guys ACTUALLY refuse to promise the moon...before delivering you the rocket ship to get there. Shocking, I know.
hes previous post said that AOC luanch felt like a game in Alpha stage...that is what i was disagreeing with him :P thats why he was telling a little porky
I'd have to partially agree with his sentiment. Okay...I can't really agree at all mostly. WoW had an awesome launch (I was there), CoH...not so awesome. I don't mean to say they were bug-ridden or anything. Cryptic WERE MMO virgins...and it showed in their design flaws (all of which were very much so corrected later on). We all understand LotRO to have had a great launch. Actually...I'll take this a step further. LotRO redefined what a good launch even IS. See, I call WoW a great launch because, for its time, it set out with MORE content and more diverse equipment than any other game in that age. For its efforts...it only had minimal issues. The most glaring issues were things Blizzard could have never anticipated, like massive player influx in a genre that had never even seen a TENTH of what they have now.
These days, I'd actually call a WoW launch bad. The bar has been raised, a company has PROVEN that you can actually &*%$ing make a game work BEFORE releasing. Thus, all this silly defending that goes on in every games forum has been rendered completely moot. If one company can do it, all can. There should be no excuses....if your money ran out you should have managed it better. It is not left to us to run a business for these people. In any other market, such poor business choices would have gotten you fired (or actually shot, outright, in the head in some countries.).
Forgive me, I rant. The real point here is that there are plentiful examples of developers taking their time and making sure a game is stable and that all of its elements are functioning properly before a launch. Some of these guys ACTUALLY refuse to promise the moon...before delivering you the rocket ship to get there. Shocking, I know.
hes previous post said that AOC luanch felt like a game in Alpha stage...that is what i was disagreeing with him :P thats why he was telling a little porky
You need to learn to read son.I said the Open Beta felt like Alpha code. I canceled my pre-order and have not played AoC post-Beta. For all I know, it may have improved 1000%. If/when I do decide to buy it, I think I'll wait for it to show up for $19.99 at WalMart.
Aurora, 4x Gaming
I'd have to partially agree with his sentiment. Okay...I can't really agree at all mostly. WoW had an awesome launch (I was there), CoH...not so awesome. I don't mean to say they were bug-ridden or anything. Cryptic WERE MMO virgins...and it showed in their design flaws (all of which were very much so corrected later on). We all understand LotRO to have had a great launch. Actually...I'll take this a step further. LotRO redefined what a good launch even IS. See, I call WoW a great launch because, for its time, it set out with MORE content and more diverse equipment than any other game in that age. For its efforts...it only had minimal issues. The most glaring issues were things Blizzard could have never anticipated, like massive player influx in a genre that had never even seen a TENTH of what they have now.
These days, I'd actually call a WoW launch bad. The bar has been raised, a company has PROVEN that you can actually &*%$ing make a game work BEFORE releasing. Thus, all this silly defending that goes on in every games forum has been rendered completely moot. If one company can do it, all can. There should be no excuses....if your money ran out you should have managed it better. It is not left to us to run a business for these people. In any other market, such poor business choices would have gotten you fired (or actually shot, outright, in the head in some countries.).
Forgive me, I rant. The real point here is that there are plentiful examples of developers taking their time and making sure a game is stable and that all of its elements are functioning properly before a launch. Some of these guys ACTUALLY refuse to promise the moon...before delivering you the rocket ship to get there. Shocking, I know.
hes previous post said that AOC luanch felt like a game in Alpha stage...that is what i was disagreeing with him :P thats why he was telling a little porky
You need to learn to read son.I said the Open Beta felt like Alpha code. I canceled my pre-order and have not played AoC post-Beta. For all I know, it may have improved 1000%. If/when I do decide to buy it, I think I'll wait for it to show up for $19.99 at WalMart.
no hard fealings
Why you ask? You can help people make the decision for buying/avoiding the game by listing the likes/dislikes about the game. If their deciding factor is going to be forum posts.
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Threads on MMORPG.com are opinion unless otherwise stated by the staff. They are basically amateur editorials, like the OP was. The title was exactly that. And his advice.
Would it have been better if the title was "Do NOT buy AoC (details inside)"
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Poor Kram.....
No one has given him the "heads-up" about how you need 500 posts before you are considered a real, thinking, person around here.
I kid, but I had to bring that up against a fan because its ALWAYS used against the haters. I like to think that I bring a little equality to this barren wasteland :P
To address your stances directly, Kram, I would say that the OP isn't retarded...nor is he any combination of the vulgarities used in your post to label him. I do understand that you are having a quite fine time with the game, and can reasonably understand why you would so aggressively defend it. The trouble here is that, while being a tad exaggerated, his points are pretty valid concerns for him. He saw what he saw, and it affected him just as he said. I can also understand that. What you and I have to come around to is the fact that every choice in game design also brings with it a consequence that has bearing on who and what will find your game fun.
Simply put, their choices (and the many issues that arise in a launch coupled with them) have put him off. Lastly, I agree with his statement that we should all wait to buy ANY MMO fresh off the presses. But then, I've been doing that for years. WoW was the only one I ever purchased close to its launch...and it will be the only one as well. Frankly, outside of LotR, I doubt any of these game developers take the launch of a game seriously enough. Its good measure to wait until the game is more stable, and the initial rush is past.
no hard fealings
And that is why FunCom won't be getting my money for AoC. I certainly realize betas are buggy. But this honestly did not feel beta-quality. I'm certain there are a lot of people who play and enjoy the game now. I'll stick to my lifetime membership on LotRO.
Aurora, 4x Gaming
dude, the game is cool....why would u try to say its crap? seriously...
To repeat myself once more it left opinion or editorial quality when the OP made a demand. They made a demand by a command. No longer persuading but attempt of force but through the mind. (Prolly weak on that last part but hopefully the point comes across)
The title should be, "Why I don't think you should buy AoC". Or something along those lines.
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It's funny how even adults can act like children. Think you can explain something without excessive swearing and calling people retards and idiots? Great he's an idiot for not playing the game and warning people that the game feels like it is still in beta.
Did you just install the game load it up and play Tortage and like scream to your gods that this game is the best thing since slice bread because of the graphics?
Seriously everything the OP pointed out is a valid and serious problem that many players are having. It might run fine on your system but there is video cards that are having problems with AoC.
I seen your other post proclaiming about how awesome the game is with very little reasoning behind it and with just 2 posts it makes one wonder if we are seeing more internet Funcom employees grabbing the forums by the balls.
Its not a bad game. The first 20 levels are amazing. They are thick with plot and story lines, and its does a great job of immersing you into that world. The problems begin slowly after that. While there are plenty of quests and 3 different zones for level 20-40, it drops off after that. From 40-50 there is 1 zone, decent amount of quests, might hit a dry spell in the late 40s but not bad. From 55-80 its just a horribly boring non-stop grind fest, similar to L2. There is only 1 zone for 50-60, 60-70, and 70-80. Also, the game was not ready to be released on May 22nd. It took over a week to get up the banks, mail, and traders, they were taken down during the early access because of a dupe exploit. While server stability has been outstanding, my realm, Set, crashed a few times, along with 2 others I think, but nothing major and they were up quickly, the game is full of bugs. A lot of these bugs were reported in Beta, but not addressed by Funcom. Also class balance is an absolute joke, which since the PvP system isn't even in the game is not a big problem.
In conclusion, AoC is not a bad game, and has a lot of potential. The problem is it feels like you are still playing a Beta. If you don't mind paying for the game while it's still being developed, it's not a bad game. I canceled my subscription, but if Funcom can fix some of the serious problems in the game I will probably give it another try in a few months when it is more complete.
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LOL>...I'm still shocked at what the OP said...
I just made lvl 22 and just left the starter city of Tortage.... Zug server.
I've played several MMO's.....from sci fi to fantasy to super villian....none except PRE CU swg beat this game.
like another poster said, the first 20 levels are amazingly story driven and full of rich lore and entertaining quests.
Item number 7. broken chat UI.... it's not broken, but it's MODAL...and anyone who knows what that is knows that MODAL chat kills the ability to have a strong community while in game....you can't chat and run the game at the same time...i don't feel like explaining this, but ....only swg pre cu had it and SL had it until very recently...they added voice chat so they thought they could get away with modal chat then...mistake imho.
AoC had a couple glitches while I played so far...a couple server lags, a few CTD's at certain entry points like for example going into the underhalls entrance I crashed 2 times there...but no big deal, i logged back in and continued just fine....this game is far from alpha and if you MUST call it a beta, then you have to admit it's a pretty smoothly polished one ...
Of Course they plan to fine tune it....every MMO evolves over time...we all know this, why claim a game is doomed 2 weeks after launch? really that's just short sited thinking.
I'm going to buy another copy of the game for a couple friends of mine...get them into my guild and we're going to go kick the crap out of any baddies we come in contact with...
Faxx....on Zug. A nice server. oh ya one last thing.... MMO's aren't made or broken on how well they PvP...go play xbox for that.... it's community that makes MMO.....an MMO.
Very good well thought out post. This is the exact type of posts I am seeing around from the players that are already at mid-game/end-game. They have an IP on there hands that was quite responsive from the MMO gamers yet they managed to rush it in order to beat WAR to a launch, will this help WAR out we don't know until that is launched as well. Give it time is the verdict but I say this give it time responses need to stop. We need to demand quality from these companies or all we will get is Beta build launches.
Because the first two months of an MMO determine the way its going to be for the rest of its life. Right now it isn't looking to good for AoC, but I am still hanging in there, I'm still trying to get into the game. They can still save this.
I figure in twenty or thirty years when the genre matures and I am too old to care, they will finally figure out that the secret to success is a well developed and polished game. No, I don't think that its going to be WAR =( Every time I have ignored my intuition about video games, I have regretted it.
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I agree it won't happen over night and it won't happen for many years. WoW brought in a general crowd of people who never really gamed before, WoW turned girl gamers into a natural thing and more popular. It is with this newer community of MMO gamers that we have these problems, they are willing to accept the fact it is an online game and needs some time. When the rest of us know exactly how this road goes because we seen it so many years ahead. It will only happen when the general community matures like you said and thus I won't loose sleep on it, but if we don't start now it won't ever happen.
Yes and no. I don't think that it is the general attitude of WoW players, former or current. I think it is the attitude of some of the old school players in tandem with a bunch of former WoW players that are desperate for an alternative to WoW.
If it was the general attitude of the WoW-wave the MMORPG market would be at least twice its size right now. Remember, WoW has a weak player retention. For every single WoW player right now there are probably 2.5 former ones.
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Yes and no. I don't think that it is the general attitude of WoW players, former or current. I think it is the attitude of some of the old school players in tandem with a bunch of former WoW players that are desperate for an alternative to WoW.
If it was the general attitude of the WoW-wave the MMORPG market would be at least twice its size right now. Remember, WoW has a weak player retention. For every single WoW player right now there are probably 2.5 former ones.
so blizz has sold 25 million copies of WoW? That's a very impressive number.
I don't think it quite works like that in Asia, but in answer to your question- maybe. Remember the last milestone they achieved was 10.7 million active subscribers, units sold would have to be much greater than that if you use your common sense. Now add accounts sold between individuals.
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