vanguard=boredom. great graphics in an uncreative world. seriously i dont see how ppl can like that world its horrible. tried it 2 months ago waste of money then and still is now dont play this game nuff said
Nikoz, you have some misconceptions about Age of Conan.
From level 40 to level 80 Age of Conan is harder than Vanguard, elite and raid mobs are much more harder in AoC, progression is also harder in AoC.
Age of Conan has more content and has more quests, you may think quests in AoC are just bloody and gore ones, right ? They are not, they are mature and well writen as quests in The Witcher, everyone that enjoy RPG should take a look, from all the quests I did in Vanguard, I can remember only a couple of quests with a real good storyline.
You may use the zone/instance argument, well, AoC has the exacly same system Everquest2 has, the only reason you dont see copy of zones in EQ2 is the fact EQ2 is very unpopular ( what is sad, as I love that game ).
Vanguard has more than one year and still has more bugs and much less content than AoC.
The community of AoC in PvE servers are the same level or even better than the Vanguard community when Vanguard was released.
AoC has a unique combat system and finally a high quality Low Fantasy content, only these 2 reasons are enough to understand AoC is a good step in MMOs.
Vanguard is one of my favorite games, but the idea Vanguard is cult and hardcore is not exacly right, Vanguard is easier than Age of Conan and Everquest 2, Vanguard has less content than AoC, and after some dev´s decisions, Im not sure Vanguard will grow in the future.
Again, about the console thing, AoC in the 360 will be different than the PC version, AoC has the same system Everquest 2 has...and EQ2 is a PC game. Bioshock came first in the 360, dont you think it is nice to have a game like Bioshock in the PC too?
Anyway, I still like both games and I think this idea of Vanguard vs Age of Conan is non sense.
Ya I feel bad for the people who are going to continue to pay for console tweaking and bug testing.. Thats where that games going and its a major reason why the sound and graphics are so spiffy.. but everything else seems to suck.. You're play testing it for consoles morons!
i really hope your not a vanguard player calling age of conan players morons..vanguard players have been paying to test that game for over a year. so what does that make them?
actually this post is right where it belongs... do you hate AoC? play vanguard because its pretty much the exact opposite except VG has better graphics..
vanguard is the worst mmo i have played, i dont play conan anymore but conan has much better graphics than vanguard. vanguards characters look like plastic men..horrible game.
Nikoz, you have some misconceptions about Age of Conan.
From level 40 to level 80 Age of Conan is harder than Vanguard, elite and raid mobs are much more harder in AoC, progression is also harder in AoC.
Age of Conan has more content and has more quests, you may think quests in AoC are just bloody and gore ones, right ? They are not, they are mature and well writen as quests in The Witcher, everyone that enjoy RPG should take a look, from all the quests I did in Vanguard, I can remember only a couple of quests with a real good storyline.
You may use the zone/instance argument, well, AoC has the exacly same system Everquest2 has, the only reason you dont see copy of zones in EQ2 is the fact EQ2 is very unpopular ( what is sad, as I love that game ).
Vanguard has more than one year and still has more bugs and much less content than AoC.
The community of AoC in PvE servers are the same level or even better than the Vanguard community when Vanguard was released.
AoC has a unique combat system and finally a high quality Low Fantasy content, only these 2 reasons are enough to understand AoC is a good step in MMOs.
Vanguard is one of my favorite games, but the idea Vanguard is cult and hardcore is not exacly right, Vanguard is easier than Age of Conan and Everquest 2, Vanguard has less content than AoC, and after some dev´s decisions, Im not sure Vanguard will grow in the future.
Again, about the console thing, AoC in the 360 will be different than the PC version, AoC has the same system Everquest 2 has...and EQ2 is a PC game. Bioshock came first in the 360, dont you think it is nice to have a game like Bioshock in the PC too?
Anyway, I still like both games and I think this idea of Vanguard vs Age of Conan is non sense.
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Thats funny your post contradict's every thing ive read about AOC . I've have'nt read one post yet where people havent said AOC is the easiest game they have played by far.Even on there own forums there's posts about raiding been to easy
And content past lev 40 seems to be the biggest complaint ive heard people bitch about. I find it hard to believe AOC has more content than Vanguard , when ive got 8 characters and have been playing sence day 1. I can tell you honestly theres still stuff i havent done or even seen in vanguard. Am almost tempted to get the station pass just for the 4 extra character slots you get
Am not bashing AOC, i havent played it.I probally would have because i want a PVP to play along with Vanguard. But funcom screwed up with me by hiding the fact that thier game wasnt finished They didnt reveil the state of the game untill they where absolutly forced to by people complaining. Sorry but i just dont pay money to people like that for anything.If they would have just said "Hey we have a pretty good game here, needs abit more work." Well i would be playing both right now and not bitching about either one.
Thats funny your post contradict's every thing ive read about AOC . I've have'nt read one post yet where people havent said AOC is the easiest game they have played by far.Even on there own forums there's posts about raiding been to easy
And content past lev 40 seems to be the biggest complaint ive heard people bitch about. I find it hard to believe AOC has more content than Vanguard , when ive got 8 characters and have been playing sence day 1. I can tell you honestly theres still stuff i havent done or even seen in vanguard. Am almost tempted to get the station pass just for the 4 extra character slots you get
Am not bashing AOC, i havent played it.I probally would have because i want a PVP to play along with Vanguard. But funcom screwed up with me by hiding the fact that thier game wasnt finished They didnt reveil the state of the game untill they where absolutly forced to by people complaining. Sorry but i just dont pay money to people like that for anything.If they would have just said "Hey we have a pretty good game here, needs abit more work." Well i would be playing both right now and not bitching about either one.
WoW so many doubles standards here.
I seem to recall talking to you about everything that was being written about Vangaurd and you just would not hear of it, because you were the only person on the planet to run Vangaurd on max from day one without a single problem in the game. How funny now you can point out the flaws in another game, because of what you read?
As for you not paying money to people that don't reveal that nature of their games or fix things until they are forced to by player complaints... You do realize your Vanguard subscription goes to SOE right? I'm not saying Funcom doesn't deserve to get thrashed for their ethics in launching the game, you can't make those kind of statements when you pay money to a company ten times worse. For that matter I don't recall Sigil running any adds saying just how unfinished Vanguard was at launch. Wouldn't that mean you have payed money to two different companies doing the same thing?
Thats funny your post contradict's every thing ive read about AOC . I've have'nt read one post yet where people havent said AOC is the easiest game they have played by far.Even on there own forums there's posts about raiding been to easy
And content past lev 40 seems to be the biggest complaint ive heard people bitch about. I find it hard to believe AOC has more content than Vanguard , when ive got 8 characters and have been playing sence day 1. I can tell you honestly theres still stuff i havent done or even seen in vanguard. Am almost tempted to get the station pass just for the 4 extra character slots you get
Am not bashing AOC, i havent played it.I probally would have because i want a PVP to play along with Vanguard. But funcom screwed up with me by hiding the fact that thier game wasnt finished They didnt reveil the state of the game untill they where absolutly forced to by people complaining. Sorry but i just dont pay money to people like that for anything.If they would have just said "Hey we have a pretty good game here, needs abit more work." Well i would be playing both right now and not bitching about either one.
WoW so many doubles standards here.
I seem to recall talking to you about everything that was being written about Vangaurd and you just would not hear of it, because you were the only person on the planet to run Vangaurd on max from day one without a single problem in the game. How funny now you can point out the flaws in another game, because of what you read?
As for you not paying money to people that don't reveal that nature of their games or fix things until they are forced to by player complaints... You do realize your Vanguard subscription goes to SOE right? I'm not saying Funcom doesn't deserve to get thrashed for their ethics in launching the game, you can't make those kind of statements when you pay money to a company ten times worse. For that matter I don't recall Sigil running any adds saying just how unfinished Vanguard was at launch. Wouldn't that mean you have payed money to two different companies doing the same thing?
and well said!
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Eh AoC is a let down for me. Until lvl50-55 its nice, enough quests that your lvling is smooth. Past that is a grindfest. At lvl55 i have 2 quests which are orange and red(group q) and shitload of green/yellow quests in a public instance (main system/cistern) where trash respawns ever 2min and bosses need 1h+ to respawn. And with many 6men groups in there, you must be very lucky to get the kill. Not to mention FPS drops. And the zones are really restricting and linear and i dont get that freedom feeling that i got in WoW. Not to mention lack of conent. 1 lvl50-60 zone, 2 lvl60-70 zone where you get enough quests to gain a lvl or two and then you need to grind your brains out.
Eh AoC is a let down for me. Until lvl50-55 its nice, enough quests that your lvling is smooth. Past that is a grindfest. At lvl55 i have 2 quests which are orange and red(group q) and shitload of green/yellow quests in a public instance (main system/cistern) where trash respawns ever 2min and bosses need 1h+ to respawn. And with many 6men groups in there, you must be very lucky to get the kill. Not to mention FPS drops. And the zones are really restricting and linear and i dont get that freedom feeling that i got in WoW. Not to mention lack of conent. 1 lvl50-60 zone, 2 lvl60-70 zone where you get enough quests to gain a lvl or two and then you need to grind your brains out.
Obviously they completely under estimated or had poor idea of "Levelnomics".
Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines
the only reason you post this in the AoC forums is because only the few Vanbois left ever read the VG forums.
Why are you even here in MMO forums? I mean, if you think a game like AOC is good for our genera of computer games... damn.
You act like I'd expect the community to act in a game like AOC.
Nikoz, you have some misconceptions about Age of Conan.
From level 40 to level 80 Age of Conan is harder than Vanguard, elite and raid mobs are much more harder in AoC, progression is also harder in AoC.
Age of Conan has more content and has more quests, you may think quests in AoC are just bloody and gore ones, right ? They are not, they are mature and well writen as quests in The Witcher, everyone that enjoy RPG should take a look, from all the quests I did in Vanguard, I can remember only a couple of quests with a real good storyline.
You may use the zone/instance argument, well, AoC has the exacly same system Everquest2 has, the only reason you dont see copy of zones in EQ2 is the fact EQ2 is very unpopular ( what is sad, as I love that game ).
Vanguard has more than one year and still has more bugs and much less content than AoC.
The community of AoC in PvE servers are the same level or even better than the Vanguard community when Vanguard was released.
AoC has a unique combat system and finally a high quality Low Fantasy content, only these 2 reasons are enough to understand AoC is a good step in MMOs.
Vanguard is one of my favorite games, but the idea Vanguard is cult and hardcore is not exacly right, Vanguard is easier than Age of Conan and Everquest 2, Vanguard has less content than AoC, and after some dev´s decisions, Im not sure Vanguard will grow in the future.
Again, about the console thing, AoC in the 360 will be different than the PC version, AoC has the same system Everquest 2 has...and EQ2 is a PC game. Bioshock came first in the 360, dont you think it is nice to have a game like Bioshock in the PC too?
Anyway, I still like both games and I think this idea of Vanguard vs Age of Conan is non sense.
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Thats funny your post contradict's every thing ive read about AOC . I've have'nt read one post yet where people havent said AOC is the easiest game they have played by far.Even on there own forums there's posts about raiding been to easy
And content past lev 40 seems to be the biggest complaint ive heard people bitch about. I find it hard to believe AOC has more content than Vanguard , when ive got 8 characters and have been playing sence day 1. I can tell you honestly theres still stuff i havent done or even seen in vanguard. Am almost tempted to get the station pass just for the 4 extra character slots you get
Am not bashing AOC, i havent played it.I probally would have because i want a PVP to play along with Vanguard. But funcom screwed up with me by hiding the fact that thier game wasnt finished They didnt reveil the state of the game untill they where absolutly forced to by people complaining. Sorry but i just dont pay money to people like that for anything.If they would have just said "Hey we have a pretty good game here, needs abit more work." Well i would be playing both right now and not bitching about either one.
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First I want to say Im not against Vanguard or AoC, but I think you got it.
From level 1 to 30 solo content in Age of Conan is a bit easy ( it deppends a bit on wich class you are playing ). After 40 dungeons and Raids in AoC are indeed harder than VG, in VG I was able to do raid content ( not APW ) with a good group, see beside pulls and respawn rating, VG doesnt have much challenge in dungeons and group ocasions, dungeons in Age of Conan and Everquest 2 require more than just good pulls.
After level 50 Age of Conan has less content than AoC in 1-30, but it has much more adventure content than Vanguard after level 30, see, the only way to know is experiencing both games.
What you are talking about AoC is the same ( or even worst ) with Vanguard, for how long they are fooling us with the new models? The starting area ?
See, it is cool now say AoC is a crappy game, it was the same ( and in some way it is the same ) with Vanguard.
Vanguard can be at times more time consuming than AoC and EQ2, but it has less challenge.
Curious fight from fans of ... A game with hardly over 50 K subscribers and the worst MMORPG launch in history... with fans of a bugged game with a rather succesful launch but with a very bleak future in number of subscribers. ---- or ... the current situation in the field of MMORPG's...
You do realize if you are telling AoC is the worst launch in MMO history you are lying or just dont know much about MMO history, right?
But I agree it is a curious fight, between 2 games with good artstyle, very good music, gameplay, a mature and deep lore and very cool classes.
At least 2 games with atmosphere, some people ( the majority ) will prefer something like WoW, some other people just need more than the simple cliche.
See, some people just need bland action movies, tv shows, cartoons... and WoW...some other people just need more...you should be glad we can play Vanguard, Age of Conan, DDO, EvE etc
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. Lao-Tze
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your statement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your staement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game.
lol you guys are hilarious. Id wager that each AoC Instance has more people than 3 or 4 VG "chunks" combined. So I still dont see the validity of the statement
Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. Lao-Tze
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your staement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game.
lol you guys are hilarious. Id wager that each AoC Instance has more people than 3 or 4 VG "chunks" combined. So I still dont see the validity of the statement
I aint here to argue on who has the biggest,I am simply saying your orginal quote was wrong..Vg is an open mmo where as AoC has set amounts to its zones so is not as you put it "way more massively multiplayer"It does have a bigger population but that is 2 different things.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I agree, there just isn't much beef to AoC. Maybe after a few expansions it might be worth paying a sub, for maybe a month, it would take double the content they have now to make it worth it. But right now, most eveyone will have ripped through all of their content (that is worth playing) in less than a month. Vanguard however, has so much replayability, there is just so much to do, even just adventuring, you can find unknown areas all over the place.... The game is huge. Not to mention a very in depth crafting system and diplomacy. That is what a mmorpg is supposed to be, something you can play LONG TERM, get lost in and really immerse yourself. AoC is something you play for a few weeks, and thats about it. I suppose pvp would give you a bit of replayability, but even the pvp in Conan sucks with horribly balanced classes, skills and stats that dont do anything... yet are there for some reason, why? I don't know and either does Funcom. I guess it is to make you feel good about reading the big lie that is the Tooltip... it's a big WTF kinda game.
I find this whole VG >< AoC thread amusing and decpetive, because it is two games that suffer from nearly the same exact problems of being rushed out the door prematurely. VG players coming here to try to boost the image of their game by tearing down AoC is dishonest at best. VG is what it is regardless of how well AoC is doing.
Huge world to "explore", yeah right. I love the fact that VG isn't instanced,looks big without zone walls and gives a great feeling of an open world, but what is there to explore? Everything is neatly spelled out for you on the mini map. Every dungeon has its exact location marked with handly little tooltip information, quest objectives are the same, major towns, etc, etc. Exploring implies discovery and neither game offers it. The only difference is in one game you don't have load screens between following a preset path to the destination that is handed to you. I haven't gotten far enough in AoC to criticize it for lack of exploration, but VG doesn't really have much to "discover" except a few hidden quest givers here and there.
Diplomacy has been tabled after SOE admitted it needs a lot of work which it is not likely to ever get. Once you have a few cards diplomacy plays almost the exact same way every single time. Sure you can level it to 50 once you max your character level, but whats the point other that to gain more levels.
Crafting might be "deeper", but it is just more button clicking padded on top of typical MMO crafting. It isn't some hot selling point like the crafting in SWG was. Maybe for a small few who want more time between item creations I guess.
All this talk of VG being something you play long haul is silly. VGs development has effectively stopped. SOE is content letting it wither away. They don't promote the game like they do with their EQ sweethearts. There is likely to never be an expansion and I would bet the content if VG is almost the exact same in one year as it is now, save a few new overloand boss encounters.
As it stands right now VG is only a game to play if you are looking to fill a few months time before you see the credits scroll and the game ends. Lets face it, neither VG of AoC has enough content to offer much of a future once you play for a couple of months. The only difference is that AoC still has a chance to make enough to satisfy people in the long run. VG is already spent and the team slashed to maintenance mode already.
Not to say that I think the future is exceptional for AoC either. It sounds like funcom missed the mark from what I read, but I can't really say yet from experience.
Dude, there are so many little secret areas in Vanguard, all kinds of mini dungeons that no one knows about, that you can't find on any spoiler site. This game is the best game I have ever played in terms "off the beaten path" exploration.
It seems most people just think "who cares what is over that invisible wall, the quest giver is over here!" anymore.
My biggest gripe about AoC is how shallow and tiny the game is. That is where the AoC/VG comparison comes in. Because Vanguard is everything AoC is not.
Wow... majority of the AoC fanboys here have shown major ignorance bout VG... Im more lead to believe their getting even worse then WoW fanboys.... which is pathetic.
I'll keep welcoming all the AoC players quiting and coming to VG
I would be happy to join if i could just try the game first via free trial or buddy key. I just dont want to make the same mistake as i did with AoC where i spent 70eur on CE edition. Plus i cant find Vanguard in any of the online stores here in my country (dont have mastercard/visa).
If AoC isnt ready to be fully enjoyed yet then I dont see why a person couldnt temporarily move to vanguard for the time being. What I dont understand is why is there 'roid rage coming from cookie cutter pvpers? yea yea yea pvp can be fun but it doesnt mean to go and get a high n tight hair cut.
Wow... majority of the AoC fanboys here have shown major ignorance bout VG... Im more lead to believe their getting even worse then WoW fanboys.... which is pathetic.
I'll keep welcoming all the AoC players quiting and coming to VG
But a lot of people that really knows both games made a lot of realistic afirmations.
I have the impression you are trying to generalize everyone that doesnt agree with you, even people that is able to realize Vanguard´s flaws and qualities and Age of Conan´s flaws and qualities.
The idea of Vanguard is perfect and AoC is crappy is worse than any WoW fanboism...
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HA HA! Very funny!
Just wait until the console gamers toss it aside like they do all console games eventually.
It was designed for consoles. Why anyone in a MMORPG forum would actively defend this un-holy thing is far beyond me.
I think the same thing when I see your SWG sig. Strange coincidence huh?
I got 71 on aoc and cant get my self to log on..... now for vanguard i got lvl 28 and find it to be beyond bland
Guess i will resub DAOC 
vanguard=boredom. great graphics in an uncreative world. seriously i dont see how ppl can like that world its horrible. tried it 2 months ago waste of money then and still is now dont play this game nuff said
Nikoz, you have some misconceptions about Age of Conan.
From level 40 to level 80 Age of Conan is harder than Vanguard, elite and raid mobs are much more harder in AoC, progression is also harder in AoC.
Age of Conan has more content and has more quests, you may think quests in AoC are just bloody and gore ones, right ? They are not, they are mature and well writen as quests in The Witcher, everyone that enjoy RPG should take a look, from all the quests I did in Vanguard, I can remember only a couple of quests with a real good storyline.
You may use the zone/instance argument, well, AoC has the exacly same system Everquest2 has, the only reason you dont see copy of zones in EQ2 is the fact EQ2 is very unpopular ( what is sad, as I love that game ).
Vanguard has more than one year and still has more bugs and much less content than AoC.
The community of AoC in PvE servers are the same level or even better than the Vanguard community when Vanguard was released.
AoC has a unique combat system and finally a high quality Low Fantasy content, only these 2 reasons are enough to understand AoC is a good step in MMOs.
Vanguard is one of my favorite games, but the idea Vanguard is cult and hardcore is not exacly right, Vanguard is easier than Age of Conan and Everquest 2, Vanguard has less content than AoC, and after some dev´s decisions, Im not sure Vanguard will grow in the future.
Again, about the console thing, AoC in the 360 will be different than the PC version, AoC has the same system Everquest 2 has...and EQ2 is a PC game. Bioshock came first in the 360, dont you think it is nice to have a game like Bioshock in the PC too?
Anyway, I still like both games and I think this idea of Vanguard vs Age of Conan is non sense.
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i really hope your not a vanguard player calling age of conan players morons..vanguard players have been paying to test that game for over a year. so what does that make them?
vanguard is the worst mmo i have played, i dont play conan anymore but conan has much better graphics than vanguard. vanguards characters look like plastic men..horrible game.
Thats funny your post contradict's every thing ive read about AOC . I've have'nt read one post yet where people havent said AOC is the easiest game they have played by far.Even on there own forums there's posts about raiding been to easy
And content past lev 40 seems to be the biggest complaint ive heard people bitch about. I find it hard to believe AOC has more content than Vanguard , when ive got 8 characters and have been playing sence day 1. I can tell you honestly theres still stuff i havent done or even seen in vanguard. Am almost tempted to get the station pass just for the 4 extra character slots you get
Am not bashing AOC, i havent played it.I probally would have because i want a PVP to play along with Vanguard. But funcom screwed up with me by hiding the fact that thier game wasnt finished They didnt reveil the state of the game untill they where absolutly forced to by people complaining. Sorry but i just dont pay money to people like that for anything.If they would have just said "Hey we have a pretty good game here, needs abit more work." Well i would be playing both right now and not bitching about either one.
WoW so many doubles standards here.
I seem to recall talking to you about everything that was being written about Vangaurd and you just would not hear of it, because you were the only person on the planet to run Vangaurd on max from day one without a single problem in the game. How funny now you can point out the flaws in another game, because of what you read?
As for you not paying money to people that don't reveal that nature of their games or fix things until they are forced to by player complaints... You do realize your Vanguard subscription goes to SOE right? I'm not saying Funcom doesn't deserve to get thrashed for their ethics in launching the game, you can't make those kind of statements when you pay money to a company ten times worse. For that matter I don't recall Sigil running any adds saying just how unfinished Vanguard was at launch. Wouldn't that mean you have payed money to two different companies doing the same thing?
WoW so many doubles standards here.
I seem to recall talking to you about everything that was being written about Vangaurd and you just would not hear of it, because you were the only person on the planet to run Vangaurd on max from day one without a single problem in the game. How funny now you can point out the flaws in another game, because of what you read?
As for you not paying money to people that don't reveal that nature of their games or fix things until they are forced to by player complaints... You do realize your Vanguard subscription goes to SOE right? I'm not saying Funcom doesn't deserve to get thrashed for their ethics in launching the game, you can't make those kind of statements when you pay money to a company ten times worse. For that matter I don't recall Sigil running any adds saying just how unfinished Vanguard was at launch. Wouldn't that mean you have payed money to two different companies doing the same thing?
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao-Tze
Eh AoC is a let down for me. Until lvl50-55 its nice, enough quests that your lvling is smooth. Past that is a grindfest. At lvl55 i have 2 quests which are orange and red(group q) and shitload of green/yellow quests in a public instance (main system/cistern) where trash respawns ever 2min and bosses need 1h+ to respawn. And with many 6men groups in there, you must be very lucky to get the kill. Not to mention FPS drops. And the zones are really restricting and linear and i dont get that freedom feeling that i got in WoW. Not to mention lack of conent. 1 lvl50-60 zone, 2 lvl60-70 zone where you get enough quests to gain a lvl or two and then you need to grind your brains out.
Obviously they completely under estimated or had poor idea of "Levelnomics".
Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines
You act like I'd expect the community to act in a game like AOC.
Nikoz, you have some misconceptions about Age of Conan.
From level 40 to level 80 Age of Conan is harder than Vanguard, elite and raid mobs are much more harder in AoC, progression is also harder in AoC.
Age of Conan has more content and has more quests, you may think quests in AoC are just bloody and gore ones, right ? They are not, they are mature and well writen as quests in The Witcher, everyone that enjoy RPG should take a look, from all the quests I did in Vanguard, I can remember only a couple of quests with a real good storyline.
You may use the zone/instance argument, well, AoC has the exacly same system Everquest2 has, the only reason you dont see copy of zones in EQ2 is the fact EQ2 is very unpopular ( what is sad, as I love that game ).
Vanguard has more than one year and still has more bugs and much less content than AoC.
The community of AoC in PvE servers are the same level or even better than the Vanguard community when Vanguard was released.
AoC has a unique combat system and finally a high quality Low Fantasy content, only these 2 reasons are enough to understand AoC is a good step in MMOs.
Vanguard is one of my favorite games, but the idea Vanguard is cult and hardcore is not exacly right, Vanguard is easier than Age of Conan and Everquest 2, Vanguard has less content than AoC, and after some dev´s decisions, Im not sure Vanguard will grow in the future.
Again, about the console thing, AoC in the 360 will be different than the PC version, AoC has the same system Everquest 2 has...and EQ2 is a PC game. Bioshock came first in the 360, dont you think it is nice to have a game like Bioshock in the PC too?
Anyway, I still like both games and I think this idea of Vanguard vs Age of Conan is non sense.
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Thats funny your post contradict's every thing ive read about AOC . I've have'nt read one post yet where people havent said AOC is the easiest game they have played by far.Even on there own forums there's posts about raiding been to easy
And content past lev 40 seems to be the biggest complaint ive heard people bitch about. I find it hard to believe AOC has more content than Vanguard , when ive got 8 characters and have been playing sence day 1. I can tell you honestly theres still stuff i havent done or even seen in vanguard. Am almost tempted to get the station pass just for the 4 extra character slots you get
Am not bashing AOC, i havent played it.I probally would have because i want a PVP to play along with Vanguard. But funcom screwed up with me by hiding the fact that thier game wasnt finished They didnt reveil the state of the game untill they where absolutly forced to by people complaining. Sorry but i just dont pay money to people like that for anything.If they would have just said "Hey we have a pretty good game here, needs abit more work." Well i would be playing both right now and not bitching about either one.
Swede2
First I want to say Im not against Vanguard or AoC, but I think you got it.
From level 1 to 30 solo content in Age of Conan is a bit easy ( it deppends a bit on wich class you are playing ). After 40 dungeons and Raids in AoC are indeed harder than VG, in VG I was able to do raid content ( not APW ) with a good group, see beside pulls and respawn rating, VG doesnt have much challenge in dungeons and group ocasions, dungeons in Age of Conan and Everquest 2 require more than just good pulls.
After level 50 Age of Conan has less content than AoC in 1-30, but it has much more adventure content than Vanguard after level 30, see, the only way to know is experiencing both games.
What you are talking about AoC is the same ( or even worst ) with Vanguard, for how long they are fooling us with the new models? The starting area ?
See, it is cool now say AoC is a crappy game, it was the same ( and in some way it is the same ) with Vanguard.
Vanguard can be at times more time consuming than AoC and EQ2, but it has less challenge.
You do realize if you are telling AoC is the worst launch in MMO history you are lying or just dont know much about MMO history, right?
But I agree it is a curious fight, between 2 games with good artstyle, very good music, gameplay, a mature and deep lore and very cool classes.
At least 2 games with atmosphere, some people ( the majority ) will prefer something like WoW, some other people just need more than the simple cliche.
See, some people just need bland action movies, tv shows, cartoons... and WoW...some other people just need more...you should be glad we can play Vanguard, Age of Conan, DDO, EvE etc
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Yeah, this.
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
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Lao-Tze
Yeah, this.
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your statement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Yeah, this.
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your staement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game.
lol you guys are hilarious. Id wager that each AoC Instance has more people than 3 or 4 VG "chunks" combined. So I still dont see the validity of the statement
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao-Tze
Yeah, this.
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your staement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game.
lol you guys are hilarious. Id wager that each AoC Instance has more people than 3 or 4 VG "chunks" combined. So I still dont see the validity of the statement
I aint here to argue on who has the biggest,I am simply saying your orginal quote was wrong..Vg is an open mmo where as AoC has set amounts to its zones so is not as you put it "way more massively multiplayer"It does have a bigger population but that is 2 different things.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Wow, I cant believe this thread is still active..
I find this whole VG >< AoC thread amusing and decpetive, because it is two games that suffer from nearly the same exact problems of being rushed out the door prematurely. VG players coming here to try to boost the image of their game by tearing down AoC is dishonest at best. VG is what it is regardless of how well AoC is doing.
Huge world to "explore", yeah right. I love the fact that VG isn't instanced,looks big without zone walls and gives a great feeling of an open world, but what is there to explore? Everything is neatly spelled out for you on the mini map. Every dungeon has its exact location marked with handly little tooltip information, quest objectives are the same, major towns, etc, etc. Exploring implies discovery and neither game offers it. The only difference is in one game you don't have load screens between following a preset path to the destination that is handed to you. I haven't gotten far enough in AoC to criticize it for lack of exploration, but VG doesn't really have much to "discover" except a few hidden quest givers here and there.
Diplomacy has been tabled after SOE admitted it needs a lot of work which it is not likely to ever get. Once you have a few cards diplomacy plays almost the exact same way every single time. Sure you can level it to 50 once you max your character level, but whats the point other that to gain more levels.
Crafting might be "deeper", but it is just more button clicking padded on top of typical MMO crafting. It isn't some hot selling point like the crafting in SWG was. Maybe for a small few who want more time between item creations I guess.
All this talk of VG being something you play long haul is silly. VGs development has effectively stopped. SOE is content letting it wither away. They don't promote the game like they do with their EQ sweethearts. There is likely to never be an expansion and I would bet the content if VG is almost the exact same in one year as it is now, save a few new overloand boss encounters.
As it stands right now VG is only a game to play if you are looking to fill a few months time before you see the credits scroll and the game ends. Lets face it, neither VG of AoC has enough content to offer much of a future once you play for a couple of months. The only difference is that AoC still has a chance to make enough to satisfy people in the long run. VG is already spent and the team slashed to maintenance mode already.
Not to say that I think the future is exceptional for AoC either. It sounds like funcom missed the mark from what I read, but I can't really say yet from experience.
Dude, there are so many little secret areas in Vanguard, all kinds of mini dungeons that no one knows about, that you can't find on any spoiler site. This game is the best game I have ever played in terms "off the beaten path" exploration.
It seems most people just think "who cares what is over that invisible wall, the quest giver is over here!" anymore.
My biggest gripe about AoC is how shallow and tiny the game is. That is where the AoC/VG comparison comes in. Because Vanguard is everything AoC is not.
Wow... majority of the AoC fanboys here have shown major ignorance bout VG... Im more lead to believe their getting even worse then WoW fanboys.... which is pathetic.
I'll keep welcoming all the AoC players quiting and coming to VG
I would be happy to join if i could just try the game first via free trial or buddy key. I just dont want to make the same mistake as i did with AoC where i spent 70eur on CE edition. Plus i cant find Vanguard in any of the online stores here in my country (dont have mastercard/visa).
If AoC isnt ready to be fully enjoyed yet then I dont see why a person couldnt temporarily move to vanguard for the time being. What I dont understand is why is there 'roid rage coming from cookie cutter pvpers? yea yea yea pvp can be fun but it doesnt mean to go and get a high n tight hair cut.
But a lot of people that really knows both games made a lot of realistic afirmations.
I have the impression you are trying to generalize everyone that doesnt agree with you, even people that is able to realize Vanguard´s flaws and qualities and Age of Conan´s flaws and qualities.
The idea of Vanguard is perfect and AoC is crappy is worse than any WoW fanboism...
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